Login

Register

Member List

RSS Feed

Amanda | Contact

Auguste | Contact

Jesse | Contact

Pam | Contact

Next entry: Reliable Sources Previous entry: Fundnut: Bush cursed the White House with the Koran

Give The Gift Of Anger Today

imageAlthough the New York Times tells us today that dissatisfaction with Obama’s FISA stance is the provenance of hairshirted liberals and bloggers on the internet doing their Youtubing and hoping (Comments from Left Field has more, including some ruminating on the question why the dissatisfied elements of the GOP base are never “far-right”), there’s something that we fair hippies are allowed to be dissatisfied about: Obama’s completely consistent position on Iraq.

I reference Margaret Carlson, who I’d actually forgotten existed until until MoDo quoted her today pulling the same schtick she has for the past decade plus: being the renowned hostess of elite, A-list parties who, because she has funny glasses and a librarian haircut, gets to weigh in on how utterly weird and alienating to regular people Democrats are. 

That someone is Obama. His familiar line is to say he will be as careful getting out of Iraq as President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney were careless about getting in. He put 16 months as a deadline for removing troops.

That was in the Democratic primaries. In the general election, he’s ``refined’’ his timetable depending on what the generals on the ground have to say.

To the potent and vehement antiwar members of his party, this was like saying he’d stay 100 years, so he’s carefully walked his refinement back. He told an audience in Powder Springs, Georgia, this week: ``Don’t be confused. I will bring the Iraq War to a close when I am president.’’ Assuming he meant ``in my first term,’’ that’s 48 months, not 16.

Oh, the Obama rule, I almost forgot: in lieu of explicit, mind-numbing detail that would put even the tenacious, insightful press corps to sleep, assume Obama’s fucking up.
We, the liberals who have powered Obama’s campaign to the same heights as other internet phenomena like the “Which Pirate of the Caribbean are you?” quiz, are ANGRY and MAD and HUNGRY FOR COOKIE.  Shit, that last one’s just me. 

Except that, well, we aren’t.  Among the Grr, FISA crowd (myself included), we all understood the plain meaning of the words that came out of Obama’s mouth: the strategic goal of exiting Iraq would remain in place, and the tactics to do so would be subject to the recommendation of the commanders on the ground.  We aren’t angry precisely because we’re capable of sustaining two (or more) narratives in our head at once without worrying that it becomes too hard to follow.  Carlson, the NYT article, even conservative columnists are all looking at us and telling us not only that we are angry, but that we have their permission to get angry.

This turns the corner from the erroneous description of what us proles believe to erroneous prescription of what we should believe.  I’m sure that next we’ll see stories of us abandoning Obama in droves based on the non-flip-flop in his Iraq agenda, going back to our Second Life accounts and launching virtual flying dildo attacks on Ron Paul HQ.  Even those of us who have some level of dissatisfaction with Obama on particular issues aren’t the ones pressing him on Iraq - it’s the media, who insist that the use of any non-identical phrasing in regards to any issue constitutes a change in position that must be explored with proctological thoroughness.  Their complete lack of comprehension is to stand in for ours, and when they’re stuck holding the bag on a nonsense story that should provoke a certain response so, apparently, are we.

I, for one, refuse to be held hostage by the media.  Well, except for Rick Sanchez, who seems likely to let me escape in a wonderfully comedic romp that involves him getting hit in the head repeatedly with various household objects. 

 

------

Registration is now required! We're still in the process of getting it all squared away, so for the moment don't forget to Login or Register using the links in the upper left menu before starting to write your comment.

Posted by Jesse Taylor on 11:33 AM • (22) Comments

Well, Mr. Taylor, when you’re ready to be serious then we can talk.  But if you’re just going to talk about a bunch of leftist hippies who hate America, you can stay here in this media backwater while The Very Serious Professional Media takes care of business…

Comment #1: MikeEss  on  07/13  at  11:53 AM

Obama has a plan: to get out.  His plan is based on moving out at a careful pace, may be modified as needed, and he’s serious about it.  The modifications will be those needed to keep us safe, our strategic needs met, and to cut our losses where they are.  It won’t be pretty, some in Iraq will attempt to push us faster than we’re willing to go, but most Iraqis will welcome our departure and are willing to let us leave as long as we’re leaving.  Some will celebrate our/Obama’s defeat, some will see us/The USA/Obama as craven losers, but most will just be glad it’s ending.

McCain has another plan: to stay as long as possible using whatever justification he can come up with.  He was serious about the 100 years, wasn’t serious about leaving if the Iraqis asked us to, and doesn’t want to get out.  I can’t tell if he believes it can be “won” or not, though I do see him making some wiggle room to allow for the “Declare Victory and Pull Out” thing.  Do I think he would?  No.  But with the reality that the Iraqis are very likely to ask us to leave soon, I think he might have to.

The vast number of troops and equipment in Iraq makes it impossible for Obama to be as careless as the Right would have us think he would be.  The overall goals of the operation have been met: Iraq is unlikely to intimidate its neighbors.  In the end, Obama’s plan is to get combat troops out of Iraq, and that’s that.  He’s not too vocal about it since it will piss many off, but he also plans to redeploy many of those combat troops to Afghanistan (and Pakistan, which will be dicey.)  Plus, our airbases in Iraq will likely remain for some time, our other airbases in the region will remain, and we’ll probably have lots of troops in Kuwait and elsewhere for a long time.  Peace activists, the stay-at-home Buchanan crowd, and Muslim fanatics will still have a lot to grumble about, but when hasn’t that been the case?

Comment #2: jon  on  07/13  at  11:56 AM

“Carlson, the NYT article, even conservative columnists are all looking at us and telling us not only that we are angry, but that we have their permission to get angry.”

They’re doing that because they hope we will get angry, vew-wy vew-wy an-gwy, so that they’ll be able to extend their pinkies in unison and say:

“Oooooooo, lookee that.  See?  A bunch of hacked-off nasty angry liberals.*  Oooooooooo lookee, they’re gesticulating and everything.  Ooooooooooh, scary.  We always said there was only so much incivility and disruption and dissent a society could take, and now we’re lead to fear (here the Serious People Face goes on) that these liberals are in danger of taking our nation over the line.  Our nation is in a very fragile condition, as we know.**  We fear (at this the Serious People Face gets even graver) that this kind of acting out in public will lead to the destruction of our nation as we know it.  To counteract this Dionysian lunacy we need an Apollonian avatar to step in, a purveyor of logic, a restorer of order like, hmmmm….John McCain.  Who is, make no mistake, just the man to exemplify our common conviction that the only society worthy of freedom is the society that plights itself beyond all hope of recantation to the course of never acting on the freedom that it’s putatively got.  So, if you hate ructions and upsets and harsh words and people who lose their temper while the mikes are still hot and the cameras are still running, vote for Machine Gun McCain, because he’s your guy.”  (Serious People Face attains its ultimate rigidity.)

(I think that’s the approximate way the pitch would run.  I realize it’s kind of complicated for Republicans but I was trying to hit all the points I thought they might use….there’s no law that says they have to take advantage of them all.)

*Otherwise known as Dirty F*cking Hippies, or DFH’s for short.

**No acknowledgment of the fact that they were the people who reduced the nation to its fragile condition will be forthcoming, of course.

Comment #3: bekabot  on  07/13  at  12:29 PM

So let me get this right: the wingnuts would be happier with Obama if he announced his intention to have the last of our troops out precisely at noon EDT on May 20, 2010, regardless of conditions on the ground?

I know that this business of taking advice from the people actually doing the work has gone way out of fashion in the past 8 years, but still…

Comment #4: paul  on  07/13  at  04:28 PM

“So let me get this right: the wingnuts would be happier with Obama if he announced his intention to have the last of our troops out precisely at noon EDT on May 20, 2010, regardless of conditions on the ground?”

...actually, they’d happier if Obama just conceded now…

Comment #5: MikeEss  on  07/13  at  04:34 PM

I think the real problem the wingnuts have is that they can’t get their minds around the idea that someone would actually use “facts” in making a decision.

Comment #6: Meghan  on  07/13  at  06:12 PM

Considering the rightwing-owned MSM-ers are already pounding the drums for a war with Iran (this morning on whichever Sunday morning show Stephanopolous hosts, the caption said something to the effect of things calming down in Iraq, and then in caps - “WAR WITH IRAN?”), we can only hope that the evil empire doesn’t manage to start a war with Iran before Obama can get into office.

Comment #7: shartheheretic  on  07/13  at  07:35 PM

She’s Velma from Scooby-Doo.

Comment #8: Sirkowski  on  07/13  at  07:58 PM

She’s Velma from Scooby-Doo.

No, Velma was SMRT.

Comment #9: pepito  on  07/13  at  10:12 PM

Well done, Jess.

Got a yard sign…the Obama sigil on the blue background one?
Painted two big question marks on it in matching white.
And overhanging that sign is another, sez..

betrayed...
    FISA

with a big red arrow pointing at the sign below.
It’ll be up ‘til November.

My joy in Barack as a Constitutional Law Professor was that ...OF COURSE ...
He would be strong on civil liberties stuff.
Well..we all know how that came out. Dealbreaker for me.
The wind’s just gone from his..and by extention my.. sails.
[altho godammit…I KNEW he wasn’t gonna be actually transformational.
Just really hoped, I guess]

Comment #10: has_te  on  07/13  at  10:14 PM

his intention to have the last of our troops out precisely at noon EDT on May 20, 2010

Yeah, the Hong Kong approach.  Which makes a lot of sense, if you see Iraq as a colonial acquisition.

But then again, if you do see Iraq as a colonial acquisition, it only makes sense to stick around till noon EDT on May 20, 2110.

Comment #11: The Opoponax  on  07/13  at  10:59 PM

Hey.
I’m a librarian.
And I have much better hair than that.
And better glasses.
And my pearls…well, OK, I have the same pearls.

OMG, does that mean I have to vote Republican now?

Comment #12: hbsweet, empress of ice cream  on  07/13  at  11:49 PM

I’m a librarian, too.  There is a ridiculous amount of power in the job, and a misanthrope could have a field day with all the desperation for information I’m confronted with each day.  If I wanted to, just yesterday, I could have told a woman there was no hope in getting bipolar disorders considered a disability by Social Security, told a woman not to worry about needing a lawyer in regards to her will and trust issues, or told anything I wanted to the Iraqi refugee children who hardly know a word of English.  If I honed those skills, I’d be a perfect expert for televised news commentary.

But I’m too damned nice.  Fucking librarian stereotype “Here to help” Harvey Milquetoast man that I am.  And that’s my weekend job.  On weekdays, I’m a librarian at a prison.  Some of these guys have had twenty years inside and have no experience with modern life.  I could really mess with them.

Ahh, the power.  I am librarian, hear me shh!

Comment #13: jon  on  07/14  at  12:39 AM

Has Carlson gotten over that crush on Fred Thompson yet?

And yes, librarians are powerful. They’re among the few who have stood up to the Bush administration.

Comment #14: Joyful Alternative  on  07/14  at  02:09 AM

I went on a date with a librarian last night.

He did not have either that haircut or those pearls, though I guess his glasses aren’t really too far off from those (though more square, with thick black rims).

Definitely not a Republican, so Jon, I wouldn’t worry about it.

(omg what if i went out on a date with jon last night and neither of us have any idea?)

Comment #15: The Opoponax  on  07/14  at  09:07 AM

Crap, that was hbsweet, who, re the pearls, would seem to be female so I can categorically say we did not go out on a date.

Comment #16: The Opoponax  on  07/14  at  09:08 AM

...actually, they’d happier if Obama just conceded now…

If Obama hires the same people who advised Gore on how to handle the 2000 election in general and the Florida count in particular then keep your eye out for just such an event.

Comment #17: seeker6079  on  07/14  at  01:02 PM

Hey, hey! Another librarian here, and my haircut is nothing like hers. (Imagine M.C. with a shaved head; that’s more like it.

Comment #18: Halloween Jack  on  07/14  at  01:13 PM

It’s just so typical isn’t it? The GOP, with the helpful assistance of a compliant media, creates a firestorm over a non-existant Obama switch in position on Iraq. And then, not a week later, that same media now tries to sell the idea that the controversy came from Obama’s base being upset about his switch in position.

I can honestly say I don’t know any Obama supporter who was upset with him about Iraq (FISA is another matter). They all, to a man/woman, understand that Obama’s position is “get out of Iraq as soon as possible”. The 16 months number is one that I have never paid much attention to until this story got going. I figured it was an initial goal that would obviously be “refined” as time went by. That’s what mature people understand about complicated situations like Iraq.

Comment #19: Chris Andersen  on  07/14  at  05:19 PM

You go, jon.  Another librarian here, and boy, I could bwa-ha-ha my way through my cataloging, messing with peoples’ heads right, left, and center.  It’s hard work finding subject headings that spread the Secret Leftist Agenda while simultaneously hiding The Real Truth About Sex from teenagers, especially now that we’re all electronic now instead of wielding sharp-edged index cards, but I didn’t earn my Purple Ink Pad by hiding in the stacks during Story Hour, by golly!  Besides, commando librarians are required to wear their hair in a bun (pencils optional).

Comment #20: Original Lee  on  07/14  at  05:28 PM

Opoponax, I’m quite sure it wasn’t me.  I spent Sunday being an asshole in blog comments, cleaning my bed and bathrooms, doing laundry, not installing a screen door, reading, watching Full Metal Jacket, and didn’t go on any date that I can remember.  Are you sure it was a date?  It wasn’t one of those things where one person is interested and the other completely oblivious to that, was it?  One of those “Hey, want to see a movie and get a drink?” things?  Not that I’m against seeing movies or drinking any, since I never like a “real” date anyhow.  Too stuffy and formal, if you ask me.  And you’d have to excuse my bouts of logorrhea and social ineptness, which some find disarming and others endearing.  I could continue, but I’ve already said too much.  I don’t like long walks on the beach unless I’m alone or you’re very quiet.  But that doesn’t matter much, since I’m in Arizona.

Comment #21: jon  on  07/14  at  05:43 PM

http://allaboutcelebrity.com/pariska/free-paris-hilton-movie-trailer.htm free paris hilton movie trailer   free paris hilton movie trailer http://allaboutcelebrity.com/pariska/free-paris-hilton-movie-trailer.htm  <a >  </a>    http://allaboutcelebrity.com/pariska/free-paris-hilton-movie-trailer.htm  <a >  </a>    http://allaboutcelebrity.com/pariska/paris-hilton-video-movie.htm paris hilton video movie   <a > paris hilton video movie </a>  paris hilton video movie http://allaboutcelebrity.com/pariska/paris-hilton-video-movie.htm  <a >  </a>    http://allaboutcelebrity.com/pariska/paris-hilton-video-movie.htm  <a >  </a>    http://allaboutcelebrity.com/pariska/paris-hilton-home-movie.htm paris hilton home movie   <a > paris hilton home movie </a>  paris hilton home movie http://allaboutcelebrity.com/pariska/paris-hilton-home-movie.htm  <a >  </a>    http://allaboutcelebrity.com/pariska/paris-hilton-home-movie.htm  <a >  </a>    Please, send your abuse here!!!  .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)<a ]car[/url] <a >book</a> apple http://google1216114351.com

Comment #22: zkasywp  on  07/15  at  05:15 AM
Page 1 of 1 pages
Commenting is not available in this channel entry.