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Glenn Beck: leave churches committed to social justice because it’s code for Nazism and socialism

Now this is what I’m talking about when it comes to the crazies on the right—the fire-breathing man of manufactured tears, Glenn Beck, telling people what they need to do about their church-going habits.

On his daily radio and television shows last week, Fox News personality Glenn Beck set out to convince his audience that “social justice,” the term many Christian churches use to describe their efforts to address poverty and human rights, is a “code word” for communism and Nazism. Beck urged Christians to discuss the term with their priests and to leave their churches if leaders would not reconsider their emphasis on social justice.

“I’m begging you, your right to religion and freedom to exercise religion and read all of the passages of the Bible as you want to read them and as your church wants to preach them . . . are going to come under the ropes in the next year. If it lasts that long it will be the next year. I beg you, look for the words ‘social justice’ or ‘economic justice’ on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words. Now, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes!”

So all those ministers and priests that marched for equal rights for blacks back in the day were Nazis? WTF? I know Glenn thinks his sheeple are dim, but damn, he’s lowering the bar WAY down. Politics Daily has the audio.

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In a double-dip of insanity from the land of Beck, here is one of his advertisers, Survival Seed Bank, hawking “survival seeds” as a defense against “emerging totalitarianism.” (Protect your keyboards) Media Matters:

There’s nothing wrong with a business that serves some kind of demand in the marketplace, but it goes without saying that fearmongering about economic collapse followed by food shortages and citing World Net Daily for “strong evidence” is big time black helicopter stuff.

 

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Posted by Pam Spaulding on 01:06 PM • (69) Comments

I happen to agree with Beck, leave these churches…and become an atheist!

Comment #1: Albert Cirrus  on  03/09  at  01:15 PM

It’s actually irrelevant since Beck has no interest whatsoever in using these terms as anything more than vaguely defined symbols to provoke fear and outrage, but I can’t help noting that the USSR was officially atheistic and hostile to religion, while the Nazis often made use of myth and imagery adapted from folk mythologies and non-Christian belief systems (see: swastika).  Not that Beck or his audience actually has any particular interest in actual history.

Comment #2: ladybronwyn  on  03/09  at  01:18 PM

Wait wait wait…but what about the parts of the Bible where Jesus talks?  And says things like love your enemies; help the poor, sick, and imprisoned; and that you’ll be judged by how you act and not by what you say?

Is he saying that Christianity, the foundation of the country (tm) is Anti-American Nazi-Socialism?

Cuz I’m so confused.

Comment #3: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  03/09  at  01:26 PM

I didn’t realize you could change churches like you could change a set of shoes. How committed can they possibly be if that’s the case.

Comment #4: pharmakos  on  03/09  at  01:28 PM

It’s really best not to try to think about religious faith as such.  It’s fantastically depressing once you’re free of the business.

Comment #5: Punditus Maximus  on  03/09  at  01:32 PM

So isn’t Beck a Mormon and hasn’t he pledged himself to give all his material aid to his church so that it can be distributed to the rest of his flock according to the the dictates of his Bishop?  With that, and his love of public libraries, he sounds like one big raving commie to me.

Comment #6: dave  on  03/09  at  01:33 PM

Does Beck really think that his church, The Church of Latter-Day Saints, rejects any notion of “social justice”? Among other things, every female member of the church above the age of 18 is a member of the Relief Society, whose motto—taken from the Books of Corinthians and Moroni—is “Charity never faileth…”

Comment #7: gerryblog  on  03/09  at  01:36 PM

This is merely the next step on Beck’s quest to create his own religion and set himself up as Supreme Prophet and Master of the Universe, Jesus Christ part II (The Embiggening).  He’s already writing parables to be taken as gospel, and now he’s grooming his flock - the first ones stupid and scared enough to believe his words and leave their churches to cleave to Him will become His Church Elders, participants in the inner rituals that involve sex with Prostitutes in undisclosed basements (later to be changed to underage children once they have enough power that they feel invulnerable). 

Just watch - his next move will be tithing - “send the money you are no longer giving to your church to me!  I’ll make sure it isn’t spent on social justice programs!”.  And how.

Comment #8: attack_laurel  on  03/09  at  01:36 PM

To quote Will Farrell’s character in Zoolander:  “Is everyone on crazy pills?”

Ok, ok, I get this:  socialism and nazism are atheistic (wrong, but if you listen to the Beckster and his ilk, this comes up, a lot), but churches are socialistic and nazi…  And…

Nope, still doesn’t make a lick of sense. 

It’s not even 9am and I need a fucking drink.

Comment #9: GeekGirlsRule  on  03/09  at  01:37 PM

Why is this guy always begging people?

Comment #10: Bitter Scribe  on  03/09  at  01:38 PM

Why is this guy always begging people?

Because convincing requires reason, and we all know that reason is Satanic.  And communist.

Comment #11: schism  on  03/09  at  01:41 PM

Look, I’m a big fan of the Victory Garden in all places and times, but if you didn’t grow your own food before the Liberalpocalypse, you’re going to have real trouble suddenly developing those skills while civilization is collapsing around you.

And I say this as someone who was raised in Y2K-panic territory and spent middle school reading up on survivalism/homesteading. I could totally survive a fictional collapse of civilization with my book-learnings, but if there’s a real collapse of civilization, I promise that I will be just as completely screwed as everyone who doesn’t own a manual home flour mill.

Comment #12: purpleshoes  on  03/09  at  01:42 PM

This is off topic, but I really hate how Beck and Palin et al use that condescending tone like WE are the ones who are crazy and/or stupid.

Comment #13: alysia  on  03/09  at  01:52 PM

I’m having trouble reconciling Glenn Beck’s claim to being Mormon and the many find LDS adherents at BYU that I know who combine their faith and scientific accumen and apply them to improving the health of millions of people.

Seriously.  Then again, Public Health seems to be a watering hole where Jews, Mormons, Catholics, Hindus, and Atheists peacefully coexist.  Must be satan!

Comment #14: Ms Kate  on  03/09  at  02:03 PM

I’m also having issues reconciling Beck’s crazy with the kinds of social welfare I saw being distributed to those low-income Mormons with large families that I lived amongst in the trailer courts of the Northwest.

Comment #15: Ms Kate  on  03/09  at  02:05 PM

And dictating to people how they should worship is… freedom? Funny Mr. Beck, you keep using this word…

Comment #16: Keith  on  03/09  at  02:06 PM

It’s getting to the point where I can no longer decide if Beck is full-blown certifiably clinically insane, or if the man is perhaps the greatest charlatan in the history of television.  His personal backstory inclines me to believe the latter, but the massive wealth and notoriety he’s gained from his exploits in the past year points to the former.  Sick and twisted as it is, hopping on the Fox News gravy train was the most lucrative financial decision of the man’s life.  I have to believe at least some of his audience consists of generally sane rubbernecking liberal-leaning people fascinated by the ravings of this lunatic - P.T. Barnum would have loved this guy.  Every so often I take a peek myself just to see if he’s still every bit as removed from reality as he’s always seemed to be.  And I’m never disappointed.

He truly is the most perfect real life amalgamation of Howard Beale and Lonesome Rhodes I’ve ever seen.

Comment #17: DTG in STL  on  03/09  at  02:13 PM

Yeah, all those Unitarians watching Glen Beck are suddenly going to realize that they’ve been duped!

Comment #18: bluish  on  03/09  at  02:15 PM

Of course!  Archbishop Romero, the four murdered Jesuits, and the raped and murdered nuns of El Salvador were the fascists—not the death squads who actually committed the murders.  It all makes sense now!

The next thing you know, it’ll be the Jews of Europe who were the real fascists—not, you know, the Nazis who actually murdered them.

Sorry for the Godwin, but seriously:  WTF?!?

Comment #19: Captain Bathrobe  on  03/09  at  02:18 PM

I say this as someone who was raised in Y2K-panic territory…

Just curious—what did all those panicky people say on Jan. 2, 2000?

Comment #20: Bitter Scribe  on  03/09  at  02:19 PM

So I can only assume that Glenn Beck is also anti-Jesus. I hear that Jesus was big into social justice. Not sure where I heard it, though. Some book, probably.

Comment #21: pajmahal  on  03/09  at  02:26 PM

If Glenn Back disagrees with your decision, it was probably the correct one. I pretty much figured it was the case, but it’s good to know that he won’t be showing up at my very liberal church anytime soon.

@pharmakos: You’re equating a specific church congretation with religious faith, which isn’t the case.

Comment #22: stonebiscuit  on  03/09  at  02:27 PM

Caren, I’m sure you’ve noticed that people who claim to be Christians & spend a lot of time hollering about how the U.S. is a Christian nation never, ever quote the words attributed to Jesus. They believe that Jesus is just like them. So there’s no point in actually reading the bible when they’re convinced they already know what it says.

Comment #23: DC Fem  on  03/09  at  02:31 PM

The Nazis were right-wing conservatives, any labeling of liberals as Nazis or fascists is straight up projection.

Comment #24: Albert Cirrus  on  03/09  at  02:32 PM

In the mid twentieth century, fundies started attacking mainline christian churches for promoting the “Social Gospel.”  Supposedly, people who were advocating for civil rights and economic and social justice were trying to “earn” their salvation instead of getting it by faith, as RealTrueChristians do.  Or, you were trying to build the kingdom of god on earth instead of waiting for Jesus to come back and do it. Therefore, if your church engaged in this sort of thing they were really heretics.  The fundies actually taught that you should not do good deeds for others because you were putting your salvation at risk.  Pretty fucked up, but there you are.  This is just another round of the same old thing.

Comment #25: jackspratt  on  03/09  at  02:49 PM

Among other things, every female member of the church above the age of 18 is a member of the Relief Society, whose motto—taken from the Books of Corinthians and Moroni—is “Charity never faileth…”

Ah, but that’s charity, which is different from social justice.

Charity involves the less worthy begging from their betters, being properly humble and grateful (the way gawd intended it) for every crumb those betters generously condescend to throw.

Social justice is the idea that the wretched scum actually have a right to stand next to their betters instead of crawling, and a right to have their needs met instead of having to beg for it.

Comment #26: kristin  on  03/09  at  03:11 PM

Now let’s look closely at what the man said:

I’m begging you, your right to religion and freedom to exercise religion and read all of the passages of the Bible as you want to read them and as your church wants to preach them . . . are going to come under the ropes in the next year. If it lasts that long it will be the next year. I beg you, look for the words ‘social justice’ or ‘economic justice’ on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can

Sounds like he’s talking about a right-wing takeover, followed by abolition of the first amendment, and a pogrom agaisnt the members of “social justice” churches.

Comment #27: rea  on  03/09  at  03:16 PM

Beck is basically saying Judaism is Nazism, since a huge part of the Old Testament is about social justice, e.g. Micah 6:8 - “What does the Lord God require of you? Do justice, love mercy, and walk in humble fellowship with your God.” 

The OT goes so far as to say you should not even enter God’s temple until you have done justice to the downtrodden. Read Isaiah 1, especially verses 15-17:

“When you spread out your hands in prayer, I will hide my eyes from you; even if you offer many prayers, I will not listen.  Your hands are full of blood; wash and make yourselves clean.  Take your evil deeds out of my sight! Stop doing wrong, learn to do right! Seek justice, lift up the oppressed.  Defend the cause of the orphan,  plead the case of the widow.”

In other words, God says social justice comes BEFORE worship.  If you haven’t done one, you can’t do the other.

Comment #28: ummeli  on  03/09  at  03:17 PM

When I feed the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor are hungry, they call me a communist. — Dom Hélder Câmara

Comment #29: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  03/09  at  03:32 PM

I can no longer decide if Beck is full-blown certifiably clinically insane, or if the man is perhaps the greatest charlatan in the history of television.

My money’s on the latter.

Or, in Colbert-speak”
“Glenn Beck:  GREAT charlatan, orrrrrr GREATEST charlatan??”

Comment #30: Eric_RoM  on  03/09  at  03:34 PM

Social justice and economic justice, they are code words.

Yeah, it’s not like Jesus would have supported either of those things…

Comment #31: bananacat  on  03/09  at  03:34 PM

I know that the last time I tried to deliver a pallet of pennies for UNICEF, my attempts were nearly foiled by Commie-Nazis.

Comment #32: Mighty Ponygirl  on  03/09  at  03:40 PM

It’s getting to the point where I can no longer decide if Beck is full-blown certifiably clinically insane, or if the man is perhaps the greatest charlatan in the history of television.

He’s both.

Comment #33: bananacat  on  03/09  at  03:41 PM

I think that anyone who spouts that kind of insanity long enough will start to believe it. I also think Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh actually take themselves seriously now. They’ve been bathing in that crap for so long that it’s inevitable.

Comment #34: pajmahal  on  03/09  at  03:47 PM

Wow.  WOW.

Comment #35: Ranylt  on  03/09  at  03:49 PM

Just curious—what did all those panicky people say on Jan. 2, 2000?

“There’s always a margin of error. And I just read this book about Aztec mythology—wait ‘til 2012!”

One thing I have to give the Heaven’s Gate guys credit for, they stuck with their date (that and their snappy fashion sense and love of STNG).

Now if only we can convince Beck that the Marshall Applewhite approach is the way to go ...

Comment #36: Gracchus.  on  03/09  at  03:59 PM

Charity involves the less worthy begging from their betters, being properly humble and grateful (the way gawd intended it) for every crumb those betters generously condescend to throw.

This.

This is also more or less the position of the Catholic Church. The higher ups, I mean. You get the occasional Liberation Theology folks at the local pastor or nun level.

Sometimes in my most cynical states I figure that the ‘salvation by work’ folks like the RCC figure that keeping a pool of the desperate poor is a *necessary* condition to being able to earn your wings, so to speak. How could you do charity if there were no wretched poor? How would you get into heaven then? As long as the poor don’t complain too much they’re pretty much assure a spot in Heaven, so why do they want to rock the boat? You get in as a freebie for suffering here on Earth, and we get to help you out to earn our own spot, so why would you want ‘worker control of the means of production’ you ingrates?

Comment #37: BlackBloc  on  03/09  at  04:04 PM

glenn beck just called jesus a nazi.

gandhi was right, wasn’t he?

GODDAMMIT PAM NOW I HAVE TO GO KICK PUPPIES.

Comment #38: chibi  on  03/09  at  04:16 PM

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.
So that they may live in eternal poverty,
And spend all of their days scrubbing my porcelain throne.

F*ck Glen Beck.

Comment #39: kiki  on  03/09  at  04:16 PM

So I guess Beck’s okay with the LDS Church because their welfare systems are Members Only?

Comment #40: Menshevixen  on  03/09  at  04:46 PM

Sometimes in my most cynical states I figure that the ‘salvation by work’ folks like the RCC figure that keeping a pool of the desperate poor is a *necessary* condition to being able to earn your wings, so to speak. How could you do charity if there were no wretched poor? How would you get into heaven then? As long as the poor don’t complain too much they’re pretty much assure a spot in Heaven, so why do they want to rock the boat? You get in as a freebie for suffering here on Earth, and we get to help you out to earn our own spot, so why would you want ‘worker control of the means of production’ you ingrates?

Explain why several south American socialist nuns & priests are being sainted then?  The argument that the RCC wants to keep a poverty class for the sake of charity sounds about as serious at the salvation army intentionally keeps homeless people threadbare so they can have a use.  The difference between feeding a population and delivering them political & economic salvation are two different creatures.  When you confuse the powers of the church for a state you’ve already lost your way.  Course I am catholic, so maybe I just take it too much to heart…...but I fail to see how the Catholic church can sway the WTO.


Glenn Beck as a whole is not in with the religious right too much and most “social justice” churches aren’t conservative evangelical places in the republican-way.  So what else is new, Beck is labeling all those who oppose his political ideology as evil.  He doesn’t have reason, just labels.  So what more is there to say on him? 

As for the seed thing, is it any different than the gold commercials?  Gold has no intrinsic value beyond being shiny & a good conductor of electricity.  If the economy collapses what makes anybody think they’ll be able to trade gold?  More likely they’ll go back to the pre-monetary era of barter and trade but the crazy people buy gold in droves to support their fear.

Comment #41: Xeranar  on  03/09  at  05:22 PM

Glenn Beck’s diatribes make a whole lot more sense once you realize that it doesn’t matter in the slightest what he actually says, because Beck himself isn’t the con man. He’s just the shill. He’s the guy that distracts you while the real thief robs you blind.

If confidence tricks didn’t work, no one would bother using them.

Comment #42: Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster  on  03/09  at  05:32 PM

There’s nothing wrong with a business that serves some kind of demand in the marketplace, but it goes without saying that fearmongering about economic collapse followed by food shortages and citing World Net Daily for “strong evidence” is big time black helicopter stuff.

Except that they’re overcharging and lying, too.

You can get the same amount and type of seeds from companies that specialize in heirloom seeds minus the crazy for about 1/2 price.  Granted, it doesn’t come with the waterproof tupperware storage cannister, but seeds tend to lose 50% of their germination rate after in the first-fifth years anyway, so the idea that one could bury this and get a garden in 20 years is pretty ridiculous.

Comment #43: phylosopher  on  03/09  at  05:33 PM

Is it just me, or does that screen shot make it look like Beck is asking his audience which patch to put on which of his sleeves?

Comment #44: Ms Kate  on  03/09  at  05:45 PM

“Is it just me, or does that screen shot make it look like Beck is asking his audience which patch to put on which of his sleeves?”

Well that’s stupid!  Everybody knows the swastika goes on the right sleeve and the hammer-and-sickle on the left.  How could it be any other way?...

Comment #45: MikeEss  on  03/09  at  05:58 PM

Just curious—what did all those panicky people say on Jan. 2, 2000?

“Thank God we made an effort and hired the computer programmers”.

Sorry - I’m pissed off at people who laugh at the Y2K worries, and don’t acknowledge all the people beavering away to prevent it.  It’s like claiming that you don’t understand why people worry about dirty water, and forgetting the infrastructure which gathers it, filters and cleans it, and delivers it to your tap.

Comment #46: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  03/09  at  05:58 PM

You can get the same amount and type of seeds from companies that specialize in heirloom seeds minus the crazy for about 1/2 price.

At this point, why not roll with it?  Stoke the crazy just as long as you can figure out how to make money out of it.  There’s a good and growing niche for cynical liberals there.

I don’t think there can be anyone as convincingly batshit as someone knowingly exploiting it for all its worth.

Comment #47: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  03/09  at  06:02 PM

@pharmakos: You’re equating a specific church congretation with religious faith, which isn’t the case.

What? Could you draw that out some more. This is how I’m looking at it. If you are a catholic and you don’t like the priest in your parish you can over to the next one but the fact is he will still be a catholic and he will still spend his time saying catholic things. If you have a problem with catholicism because catholics are too giving (leaving the other negative stuff in brackets for now) you more or less have to get over that or get out of catholicism. The core of catholicism is a bunch of stuff about drinking the blood and eating the flesh of zombie jesus so that he will forgive you for a variety of sordid deeds so you can get to Disneyland. If you believe this stuff and you believe the catholics are the only religion who have the truth skipping town over them handing out soup implies to me that you don’t care all that much about the religious “truths” they are selling. And if that’s not the case why not become Jewish because you like the food or Mormon because the magic undwerwear is just so damn comfortable. At that point you have faith in incentives rather than faith in your religion.

Comment #48: pharmakos  on  03/09  at  06:04 PM

Glenn Beck’s diatribes make a whole lot more sense once you realize that it doesn’t matter in the slightest what he actually says, because Beck himself isn’t the con man. He’s just the shill. He’s the guy that distracts you while the real thief robs you blind.

Well put. He’s a lot like the shill in 3-Card Monte: “even a dope like me can win big-time by buying into this sucker’s game, so why not imitate the method to my madness?”

Meanwhile, he’s in league with Uncle Rupert, who’s dealing the cards. And the saddest part is, between having the cops on the payroll and millions of brain-dead marks, Murdoch and his fellow plutocrats don’t even need a spotter.

Is it just me, or does that screen shot make it look like Beck is asking his audience which patch to put on which of his sleeves?

It’s not just you. The old-timey TV set and the black suit only enhance the effect.

Comment #49: Gracchus.  on  03/09  at  06:06 PM

This is interesting, because around here the Catholic church puts its anti-choice efforts under the category of social justice.  That should make Glenn Beck’s head explode.

Comment #50: Carmicus  on  03/09  at  06:38 PM

Oh, liberation theology. We hardly knew ye.

Comment #51: paul  on  03/09  at  06:55 PM

I don’t think there can be anyone as convincingly batshit as someone knowingly exploiting it for all its worth.
Comment #47: Phoenician in a time of Romans on 03/09 at 04:02 PM

I could probably do it on the Internet, but in front of an audience (like other customers, no way, at least not without the giveaway side wink).  Hell, I’d probably blush be too embarrassed to shave in front of a mirror the next day.

Comment #52: phylosopher  on  03/09  at  07:07 PM

Comment #25: jackspratt  on  03/09  at  12:49 PM
In the mid twentieth century, fundies started attacking mainline christian churches for promoting the “Social Gospel.”

The Social Gospel required one to not lynch black people, not murder them, prosecute rapists when the victim was black, and recognize, in general, that blacks were people. The churches railing against it were white and conservative. Therein lies part of the explanation. (And note that this opposition would lead to the “Jesus Freaks” of the Sixties and the general rejection of mainstream organized religion by the young in that era—the church rejected them first.)

Explain why several south American socialist nuns & priests are being sainted then? 

They are safely dead. Their actual conflicts with the Catholic authorities of their day will be quietly and firmly shoved down the nearest hole.

The argument that the RCC wants to keep a poverty class for the sake of charity sounds about as serious at the salvation army intentionally keeps homeless people threadbare so they can have a use.

I have actually heard a person claim that caring for the poor wasn’t important because Jesus said the poor will always be with us. That hardly indicates a public policy (and the person was a Protestant), obviously. However, the degree of selfishness involved can easily be found in the Catholic Church’s higher ranks.

Comment #41: Xeranar  on  03/09  at  03:22 PM
The difference between feeding a population and delivering them political & economic salvation are two different creatures.

Ignoring the grammatical problems therein, that simply isn’t true. While the power of Protestant churches vary widely, the Catholic Church levies incredible secular power. Further, it has used that power to back right-wing causes and the murder, rape, and explotation of peoples in ancient and recent history and ongoing. More particularly, the Catholic Church had no problem opposing political and economic salvation for populations when such salvation was the only way the population could be fed. A review of Haiti’s recent history provides abundant proof of this.

When you confuse the powers of the church for a state you’ve already lost your way. 

Perhaps this sentitment should be taken to heart. Vatican City is official a country.

The Catholic Church is a political creature. It therefore can do political evil.

Note that the religion of Catholicism is a slightly different thing. In fact, strictly speaking, plenty of “Catholics” are literal Protestants because they protest the policies of the Catholic Church. A Catholic organization can find itself at odds with the Vatican. There are nearly two thousand years worth of examples of Catholics that were more Catholic than the current Pope—but we’re not talking about any of that. When we talk about the stance of “the” Catholic Church, we’re talking about the political power of the Catholic Church originating from the Vatican.

Returning to lurking.

Comment #53: No One of Consequence  on  03/09  at  07:27 PM

The argument that the RCC wants to keep a poverty class for the sake of charity sounds about as serious at the salvation army intentionally keeps homeless people threadbare so they can have a use.

I’ve actually had direct and indirect run-ins with the S.A. (my gf had to work for them through a workfare program… I have some stories I like to share) and I don’t think it’s unserious at all to suggest that. There’s a reason the Wobblies called them the Starvation Army.

Comment #54: BlackBloc  on  03/09  at  07:57 PM

Look, I’m a big fan of the Victory Garden in all places and times, but if you didn’t grow your own food before the Liberalpocalypse, you’re going to have real trouble suddenly developing those skills while civilization is collapsing around you.

I’m kind of concerned they don’t seem to include much information regarding other needs for the garden. their claims of “non-hybrid seeds can grow anywhere” is almost dangerously false. it’s possible their little booklet includes decent instructions on multi-crop growth. But yeah, without any practice in a garden it’s not easy to gain those skills.

Comment #55: karpad  on  03/09  at  08:14 PM

Bitter Scribe, some of them are still eating those canned goods. I mean, depending on if they were lefty conspiracy-theorists or righty conspiracy theorists the stuff should still be good for the Oil Crash (which I believe in too, after a fashion, but I don’t think it’s going to happen quickly enough to make all those canned tomatoes suddenly worthwhile) or the Second Coming. I appreciate right-wingers who lay in stores for the Second Coming - it’s like declaring straight-up that you know you’re not going to get raptured no matter what your bumper sticker says, so by god you will have pancake mix the day after the departure of the righteous.

Mormons are supposed to keep a year’s supply of food in storage at all times anyway - I just googled to remind myself of the specifics and the first result was a link to an ex-Mormon comm full of people complaining that their houses were full of expired cans of beans.

This is off-topic in general, of course, but I have thoughts about gardening and it’s hard for me to have thoughts about Glenn Beck, besides that he’s perplexingly evil.

Comment #56: purpleshoes  on  03/09  at  08:21 PM

I just like how he’s holding the hammer and sickle upside down.

Comment #57: leedevious  on  03/09  at  08:32 PM

Karpad, exactly. I just had a look at their package, and honestly, it’s not a bad little assortment, with a couple of varieties that I know and like - but for heaven’s sakes, I promise that hybrid seeds also assimilate minerals from the soil, and I could go on about the fact that only a Creationist with a fairly narrow comprehension of precolumbian history would claim that yellow dent corn was made by God and not man, unlike today’s heathen corn.

And yes, seeds aren’t shelf-stable for all eternity, you have to learn seed saving if you’re planning to keep farming after there are no more mail order companies (assuming you haven’t been eaten or Raptured or sold by the Libertarians). So quantity aside, they’re selling 22 varieties of seeds for $169. 22 different kinds of seeds from a nice organic supply house would cost $88, and you can get a coffee can with a snap-on plastic lid with coffee in it for $7.

In my next comment on this thread, I plan to rant on about how I’m sure they’re providing a nice supplemental source of vegetables, but one variety of yellow dent corn is not going to meet a family’s subsistence needs and if they don’t soak it in ash they’ll all get pellagra anyway. You’re welcome.

Comment #58: purpleshoes  on  03/09  at  08:36 PM

(wikipedia notes that seeds can hibernate in extremely unfavorable conditions for long periods of time, but I continue to assert that “dig up seeds, eat like kings” leaves out “find acre of south-facing hillside”, “clear acre of trees, houses, pavement, other survivors”, “learn to farm”, “make do for five months until the corn comes in”, and most importantly “make sure apocalypse happens no more than three weeks after last spring frost”.

Comment #59: purpleshoes  on  03/09  at  08:40 PM

True purple shoes, but the germination rate is still going to be cut, at minimum,  in half.

Comment #60: phylosopher  on  03/09  at  10:03 PM

I appreciate right-wingers who lay in stores for the Second Coming - it’s like declaring straight-up that you know you’re not going to get raptured no matter what your bumper sticker says, so by god you will have pancake mix the day after the departure of the righteous.

Or maybe they’re post-Millenialists…

<laughs out loud, wipes tear>

No really, maybe some of them are, even though I bet most of them don’t know their pre- from the post- and can’t tell you what Millenium means.

Comment #61: BlackBloc  on  03/09  at  11:22 PM

I just like how he’s holding the hammer and sickle upside down.

Knowing Glenn Beck’s intelligence, the only thing saving him from 0 out of 2 on holding the symbols right side up is that the swastika is symmetrical.

Comment #62: BlackBloc  on  03/09  at  11:23 PM

Ignoring the grammatical problems therein, that simply isn’t true. While the power of Protestant churches vary widely, the Catholic Church levies incredible secular power. Further, it has used that power to back right-wing causes and the murder, rape, and explotation of peoples in ancient and recent history and ongoing. More particularly, the Catholic Church had no problem opposing political and economic salvation for populations when such salvation was the only way the population could be fed. A review of Haiti’s recent history provides abundant proof of this.

I mixed a metaphor by accident, clearly I am too stupid to be trusted.  Give me a source, otherwise I am going to firmly call shenanigans on this one.  Not going to doubt the past tense but post-19th century roman Catholicism has been firmly opposed to right-wing leadership for the fact that they rarely help the people.  What a pope & cardinals do in Rome is firmly different from those that are in the field.  Course I do agree that our current pope is far too conservative for safety sake, but the church has progressed. 

Still to just blatantly cry out that religion is the real oppressor is questionable.  As to the Salvation Army remark, I find it is in the same realm.  When you question charity as evil, then perhaps you need to re-evaluate the goals of charity and figure out the real social cause. 

Regardless of what you think, most religions no matter how much secular power they control, it still doesn’t grant them statehood in the countries they support.  It makes them an aid.

Comment #63: Xeranar  on  03/09  at  11:25 PM

This is off topic, but I really hate how Beck and Palin et al use that condescending tone like WE are the ones who are crazy and/or stupid.

You’re so lucky you’re not from the South - this is what life is like anytime I go back home for a visit.  Especially if it coincides with a major family gathering or holiday.

Comment #64: The Opoponax  on  03/10  at  12:59 AM

The idea that the Catholic Church is NOT righwing is such a pernicius untruth that I would have to believe it comes from someone who is being blatantly disengenous or someone who doesn’t own a television and eschews libraries. It would be no less absurd to suggest that the Republican party is not a right-wing party—especially since the Catholic Church has been a force for the far right and conservatism for centuries. It’s so absurd it’s flabbergasting.

Comment #63: Xeranar  on  03/09  at  09:25 PM
Not going to doubt the past tense but post-19th century roman Catholicism has been firmly opposed to right-wing leadership for the fact that they rarely help the people. . .Give me a source, otherwise I am going to firmly call shenanigans on this one.

Give me a source or I’m calling bullshit on your claim. Alas—you won’t find one. So: your claim is bullshit. The Catholic Church has been the happy ally of so many repressive regimes one loses count.

What a pope & cardinals do in Rome is firmly different from those that are in the field.

Clearly, since popes and cardinals have condemned priests in the field—particularly in South America, one notes—that preached the Word of Christ to people in defiance of their government. Those same popes and cardinals then stood idly by while they were murdered. Didn’t we hear a milquetoast, almost luciferean apology from a pope about neglecting Latin America on this very subject just a few years ago? Gosh, how quickly we can relax our stance once our political allies are imprisoned and/or executed.

Five minutes on Google, looking at liberation theology (which the current Pope crusaded against as part of his last job before coming pope), and reading about the Vatican backing right-wing regimes even as the latter carried out campaigns of terror, murder and rape would disabuse one of such a notion. This played out in both Africa and South America. In the case of Haiti, this incisive piece mentions the Vatican maneuvering squarely behind the blood-soaked, anti-populist, U.S. backed regime there.

Still to just blatantly cry out that religion is the real oppressor is questionable.

I strongly suspect you are deliberately misreading what I wrote.

I did not claim that religion is the “real oppresor.” I went out of my way to point out a distinction between the multifaceted and theologically-varied Catholic religion and the very much unified and separate Catholic state. The Vatican is a country, a point you carefully ignored. In fact, I pointed out that faith has been used to liberate and that the Vatican opposed the application of faith to do this very thing. Ironically, Xeranar is condemning religion in order to defend the Vatican. By deliberately confusing the Vatican with all branches of Catholicism, he shields the Vatican from its very real political acts by placing them side-by-side with sincere Catholics that the Vatican works very hard to destroy and occassionally kill by proxy.

Regardless of what you think, most religions no matter how much secular power they control, it still doesn’t grant them statehood in the countries they support.

I have no idea what this sentence is about. It is utterly blinkered. Vatican City is a sovereign nation.

Comment #66: No One of Consequence  on  03/10  at  01:46 AM

On the one hand, “social justice” was used as a rallying cry (for lack of a better term) by assorted fascist and quasi-fascist groupings, especially those who took inspiration from the 1891 and 1931 papal encyclicals or espoused corporatist ideas (Salazar and Franco [for a given value of “espoused”] in the Iberian Peninsula, Dolfuss in Austria, Coughlin in the US, the Belgian Rexists and others who I’m forgetting right now), as well as by the explicitly anti-capitalist Catholic Worker movement, so Beck’s not entirely wrong. On the other hand, that’s like hating Star Wars because the Brownshirts were called “stormtroopers.”

How’s that quote go? “He’s not even wrong?”

Comment #67: Matty  on  03/10  at  08:59 AM

purpleshoes @#59:

Your comment made me giggle immoderately.  We, being good little survivors of the coming Zombie Apocalypse, have 62 acres in a rural area, a well, and stores of seeds and canned goods*. 

*Actually, I like gardening and canning, and we bought the land so we could hold re-enactment events.  Canned goods are for when we got snowed in/can’t be bothered to go to the store the next town over. For a laugh, I got my husband a case of MREs for Christmas last year.  We use them as decor for parties.

Comment #68: attack_laurel  on  03/10  at  10:48 AM

Glenn Beck is such a dipshit.

Matthew 25:

31) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33) And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34) Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35) For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36) Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37) Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38) When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39) Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40) And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Comment #69: Nil  on  03/10  at  02:24 PM
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