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Global warming denialism, part 3: The difference between skeptics and denialists

One of the most pernicious aspects of the global warming conspiracy theorists who imply that millions of scientists, politicians, pundits, and activists are in collusion to perpetrate a global warming hoax is the way they call themselves “skeptics”.  Even How To Talk To A Climate Skeptic uses this term, reinforcing the idea idea that global warming denialism has any relationship to skepticism.  Why is this so damaging?  Well, even though “skeptic” isn’t exactly the most popular thing in the world to be, it does imply rationality that denialists don’t actually have.  We need to stop calling them “skeptics” and use the more accurate term “denialist”. 

Let’s get into definitions.  What is a denialist?  Denialists are a very specific form of conspiracy theorist.  Some conspiracy theories argue the Freemasons control the world, that Bush was behind 9/11, or that there was a plot to kill JFK.  They create alternative readings of history that satisfy their allergy to the chaotic form real systems take.  Denialists, however, are more interested in taking those things that are established science or history, and denying their reality or importance. They often have ulterior political motives, but sometimes they just deny because reality makes them feel small or dependent or helpless.  There are a lot of denialists:

*Holocaust deniers, who promote the idea that the Holocaust was a hoax.  They either flat-out deny it, or, more commonly, they try to say it wasn’t as bad as history would have you believe.
*Anti-vaxxers, who promote the idea that the great public health innovation of the modern world is actually more dangerous than helpful.
*Moon landing nutters, who deny that the U.S. put a man on the moon, and claim it was staged.
*Creationists, who deny the theory of evolution.
*HIV denialists, who deny that HIV is the virus that causes AIDS, which is related to conspiracy theories about how the government is behind AIDS.

I’d probably toss in anti-feminists who deny that domestic violence and rape are significant social problems, as well.  Denialists are a particularly toxic group of conspiracy theorist nutters, because they pass themselves off as skeptics.  In his book Voodoo Histories, David Aaronovitch explains how denialists wear the sheep’s clothing of skeptics in order to seem reasonable, instead of being the paranoids promoting unbelievable conspiracy theories that they are:

Since 2001, a primary technique employed by more respectable conspiracists has been the advocation of the “It’s not a theory” theory.  The theorist is just asking certain disturbing questions because of a desire to seek out truth, and the reader is supposedly left to make up his or her mind.  The questions asked, of course, only make sense if the questioner really believes there is a secret conspiracy.

You see this a lot with global warming denialists.  They think this quote mined email here or this fishy story about a fraudulent study there is a “disturbing question”, but all they’re really doing is saying, “There’s a vast worldwide conspiracy to perpetuate this hoax, though I can’t come right out and say that without revealing that I’m a conspiracist.”  You can tell they’re more devoted to their conspiracy theory than getting to the bottom of things, because they ignore it when their “questions” are answered.  If they really cared about being satisfied, when their questions were answered, they would immediately drop their “skepticism” and realize that global warming is real.  Their questions are also often based on incorrect premises.  For instance, denialists have “questions” about the “hockey stick”.  Setting aside the fact that the “questions” have been answered, and they’re ignoring the answers, the main assumption they’re working under—-that one study out of hundreds being flawed brings the whole thing down—-is simply wrong.  Science doesn’t work that way.  We’re not talking about the theory that the Bible is infallible, which is something that falls apart the first contradiction you find in the Bible.  Science works on the accumulation of data to point us in a direction, not received wisdom.


Calibrating historical weather trends is tricky stuff, and there are different conclusions from different measurements.  But taken together, they all show a single, compelling trend: global warming.

Global warming denialists are using exactly the same technique as creationists: zeroing in on relatively minor, technical, inside baseball disagreements about exact data to create confusion with the public that doesn’t understand science.  But that this scientist disagrees with that one about how a specific species evolved doesn’t mean the theory of evolution isn’t substantive.  That one scientist disagrees with another about how a specific neuron in the brain works doesn’t disprove the theory that our brains are the center of our nervous system.  The same is true of climate science.

What is a skeptic, and why aren’t denialists skeptics?

Skeptics also ask questions, but a big difference between skeptics and denialists is that skeptics listen to answers and regard evidence as paramount.  Denialists tend to see the piles of evidence against their claim, and see a conspiracy theory to perpetuate a hoax.  But skeptics accept good evidence.  Skeptics have a lot of respect for science, and denialists are usually out to undermine scientists working in the field where they have an agenda.  Denialists will wear the costume of scientific thinking, but they usually show a piss-poor understanding how how the accumulation of studies and data work.  (For instance, they promote the idea that if one study can be found to be flawed, this brings down the whole theory, as if the other hundreds of studies don’t count.) 

This distinction is really important, because the role of skeptics is to dispute and even disprove outrageous conspiracy theory claims.  Skeptics fight against denialists.  That’s why I’m interested in skepticism—-I fear that there’s a surge of denialist thinking in our culture fueled by new media (which is great at a lot of good things, but also good at spreading misinformation) and the explosion in both complications in world politics and the everyday person’s awareness of them.  As science begins to dictate more and more of what we know, there’s also a cultural backlash that’s related to the overall backlash against modernism.  Skepticism is becoming more and more important as the political troops to defend science.  So when people who are part of the anti-science backlash call themselves “skeptics”, this confuses the issue.

Are there members of the skeptical community who are global warming denialists?

Sadly, yes. It doesn’t really make sense, initially, but what’s happened is that organized skepticism draws a lot from sci-fi geeks and magic aficionados who get into skepticism because they loathe people pass themselves off as psychics or magicians who pretend they really have magic power.  Also, Ayn Rand fans often embrace her atheism, and atheists activists and skeptics have a lot of overlap.  In other words, libertarians are way overrepresented in the community.  Think Penn and Teller.  And while libertarians have ridiculous political ideas, that’s seemed not to be a big deal when they were out working to expose the lies of psychics and homeopaths. 

But now the skeptical movement is paying in a big way for their willingness to overlook some of the kooky beliefs of libertarians, because it’s become internally a political nightmare to organize in support of climate science.  Libertarians pitch a fit.  And they’re impossible to deal with, because their own beliefs that they are critical thinkers are causing them to fail to see that they’re denialists when it comes to global warming, engaging in the same illogical, fallacy-laden arguments that “evolution skeptics”, i.e. creationists use.  When I was at TAM, I was really sad to see that people who pride themselves on no-bullshit-ness were tip-toeing around global warming denialist bullshit for fear of pissing off libertarians and losing allies.  It’s a shame to see, because it really blows a hole in the skeptical movement’s efforts to really become the political voice supporting science, even as they’re doing good work fighting anti-vaxxers and creationists.

The problem is that global warming presents a much, much, much bigger threat than people passing themselves off as homeopaths.  There’s a great website that chronicles the harm created by kooks and cranks of every persuasion, but global warming denialists are left off it, even though the potential body count from their conspiracy theory goes well into the millions, easily.  Every day that Americans cultivate global warming denialism is a day where the progress towards reform that can limit or even reverse the damage is stymied, and a day closer to the social fallout from increasingly erratic weather. The skeptical movement is limiting itself and its impact by coddling libertarians peddling kooky global warming denialist theories, and the sooner they’re pushed out, I’m afraid the better skepticism will be.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 03:56 PM • (34) Comments

They hate being called “denialists”, of course, and so they retaliate by calling us “alarmists”. Many of them are also creationists and most of them are right-wingers.

Comment #1: bad Jim  on  03/13  at  04:11 PM

It’s so true, bad Jim.  The often atheistic libertarians have an oversized influence on the debate for a lot of reasons, but they’re a teeny tiny minority of no real consequence.

Comment #2: Amanda Marcotte  on  03/13  at  04:13 PM

That’s why I keep coming back to humor and ridicule as appropriate answers.  They have a knack for painting themselves as good-humored wiseasses who just having a good chuckle at the expense of “alarmists” like Al Gore, while remaining “reasonable and level-headed” themselves.  It’s time to turn the table on them and start portraying them as the willfully ignorant extremists they are.  They are right up there with the truthers, the birthers, the holocaust deniers, and the flat earth society.

Flat earth is really the most apt comparison, in my mind.  They can stick their heads in the sand all they want, but it won’t change the truth of the matter.  As far as they are concerned,  the world temperature graph is flat, no matter what the consensus of the entire scientific community says.  No matter how deadly serious a threat they may be to life on earth, the joke’s still on them for thinking that way.

Comment #3: jamie d  on  03/13  at  04:57 PM

In fact, the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of referring to denailists as “flat-earth” in conversation.  As in: “Wait…you mean you really believe global warming is a hoax?  I always knew we disagreed on a few things, but I though you were at least sane.  I never would have pegged you for one of those flat-earth nutjobs.”

Comment #4: jamie d  on  03/13  at  05:02 PM

It’s a pretty sure bet that the more time and effort someone invests in praising themselves for their own rationality, the less capable they actually are of being rational. Libertarians — generally, but it’s especially true of their wacko extremist fellow-travelers, the Objectivists — fetishize and sacralize reason in precisely the same way that right-wing Protestants do with faith. It’s a deliberate caricature of the real thing, and there’s absolutely nothing rational about it.

Glad you mentioned Voodoo Histories. It’s on my reading list after seeing Aaronovich on Colbert the other night.

Comment #5: Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster  on  03/13  at  05:23 PM

I think the very traits that bring a lot of people into the “skeptic” community are the things that ultimately turn them into denialists. There’s the sense that the “skeptic” is smarter than all those other deluded fools, the sense of resentment at not being lauded as a heroic muckracker, the sense that powerful forces are arrayed against you (which, let’s face it, just isn’t the case when you’re railing against horoscopes), the sense that the “pro-X” forces are all part of a tacit conspiracy. There’s the reward (within the community) for digging up ever more tiny bits of unconnected information.

And then there’s the corrosive effect of defining oneself as being against something bad or stupid, rather than for something good. As a result, it’s easy for a “skeptic” to think of themselves as the only bastion of rationality in the world, and to turn a blind eye to their own quirks and prejudices.

What’s funny to me is that in previous generations of ideological conflict, people who pointed out that their own system was not without flaw and the opposing system might have good points were generally known as “useful idiots”. But that’s the role that the “skeptic” denialists have cast themselves in. Which is to say, they’re not really taken seriously by the side they serve either.

Comment #6: paul  on  03/13  at  05:27 PM

You were at TAM? I’d heard it was a total sausagefest, and riddled with sexism.  The reports I heard from last year have pretty well convinced me that I would never be welcome there, and that plus the libertarians have nearly turned me off of the skeptic movement as a whole.

Comment #7: JudithVictorious  on  03/13  at  06:06 PM

paul, that’s a minority of people in the skeptical movement.  Most of the people are very liberal-minded and humble, I’ve found. The stereotype you’re trotting out exists, but seriously, a minority of people in the movement.

The thing is, skeptics are indeed “for” something.  The public that resents being told magic isn’t real may not see it that way, but skeptics are for science and critical thinking.  And more over time am I seeing supporting science becoming the central mission.  And science needs the support, especially with the decline of science journalism.

Judith, there was a sexist incident, but there was also discussion about how to get more women involved.  (Taking a harder line with libertarians peddling nonsense would probably do a lot to help.)  I don’t like judging everything by the worst thing that happened, any more than judging a person by their worst day. 

I’ve been asked to talk about feminism and atheism at Skepticon III!  The notion that they’re “hostile” to feminism isn’t quite right.  A lot of men in the movement haven’t examined their own sexism, but I’ve been happy to see that when called on the carpet for it, more of them were quicker to rethink their assumptions than even dudes in the netroots were.  Though, I’d say in both spaces, there’s been rapid and tremendous progress. 

I believe, since I’ve seen it with my own eyes, that people can and often do improve when tensions like this arise.

Comment #8: Amanda Marcotte  on  03/13  at  06:14 PM

The incident, by the way, was this: Some producer of some silly sitcom that is about a bunch of science nerds spoke.  Which was fine, the subject that year was examining the intersection of pop culture, science, and skepticism.  But his show is wildly sexist—-the fools that buy into psychics and other nonsense are all female, the nerds all male—-and he made jokes about hitting on women that implied that women don’t like science. 

The blowback was pretty immediate.  I think the women who revolted had the right attitude.  Instead of seeing this stupid comment as “unwelcoming”, they saw it as a challenge.  If you leave and refuse to come back, you only reinforce the idea that women don’t care about this stuff.  If you hold your ground and say, “Fuck you, I’m here, and I love to talk about science and women are more than stupid cunts,” then you might find you get much further faster than you’d hope.

And sure, the women (and men) who complained got the annoying responses from dudes who don’t get it (But of course we want women there, improves our chances of wetting our dicks!) and assholes who don’t want to get it (Get a sense of humor about being told that if you’re a woman you don’t like science, and if you like science, you’re not a woman!), but overall, I think there was a realization about the ways that stereotypes about nerds and women work to discourage women from getting interested.  And the attempts to recruit more women into leadership/speaking roles started immediately.

Comment #9: Amanda Marcotte  on  03/13  at  06:27 PM

Pretty much, I said in the other thread that a lot of the appeal of conspiracy theories is how they offer an easy path to be “smarter than” everyone around you and thus more worthy and more generally awesome in self-regard. One doesn’t have to take the huge amount of time to learn a subject and then realize that as much as you can know there is always going to be someone more awesome. (I’m really well read in mitochondria and aging right now because it’s been my laser micro focus for my master’s years and my main drive before then, but no amount of reading in the world will make me smarter or more informed on the subject than Douglas Wallace, ever). And even if you could in one subject, someone else will know more about some other subject.

However conspiracy theories cut through the effort and provide the worried and self-conscious who want an excuse to think only of themselves and their own self-interest (like say libertarians) to get a quick, “well obviously I’m one of the chosen people” self-esteem boost they need to sustain the worldviews they have and their own inherent laziness towards self-improvement.

Basically, yeah, it’s natural that they’d jump on “it’s like being a skeptic, but without all the hard stuff”.  And that those who jumped on the easy bullshit (religious claims, phony psychics, parlor tricks based on cultural norms) would balk when it cuts closer to home or into harder stuff. I dunno, global warming makes you read a lot and actually might affect me or how I live my life. That’s different.

I do agree that the libertarians are a stone around the general atheist and skeptic movements both. They claim rationality, but they’ve got a long list of forbidden topics that they’re unwilling to regard with any amount of intellectual curiosity or accept any evidence about and large swaths of people they’re unwilling to tolerate working with or accepting the life experiences of.

What atheists will lose in libertarians is far less than they’ll gain by no longer having giant homophobic, sexist, racist contingents scaring away people and skewing “acceptable” conversations.

On the plus side, it’s also not really unprecedented. The 60s movements had similar problems in a way and the movements lost a number of shallow progressive men who weren’t okay with the blacks and women getting uppity but gained far more people united on shared oppression and willing to back more radical and necessary policies to slowly drag the country forward.

It’s a general thing really with all movements. Some people want to move forward, but not so forward they lose their unearned privileges or have to evolve on some groups of people and they often find themselves becoming the out of touch old people of next generation’s fight while the movement moves on without them.

Comment #10: Cerberus  on  03/13  at  06:36 PM

Amanda @10

It is what it always is in every movement for women. Carefully dealing with a subset of culturally awash men, a subset of hostile men, and a subset of men who support us but don’t speak up. Often times we argue ourselves silly which gets dismissed down a hole of “you have vaginas ergo I didn’t even hear your argument, but it must have been silly and unsupported and my masculinity is now threatened by your existence and I must show intellectual dominance to make my dick feel hard”.

How we deal goes down to the fact that “the personal is political” meaning we all do what we can to survive and according to how much shit we’re willing to take. Some stay and fight, others form splinter groups and hope to overtake or shame the original group, some just ignore it and focus on what they want to get out of it, some get creative, some even join in with the men in the hopes that it’ll get them social approval.

While the last option is atrocious, the rest are what you got to do. Silence saves mental energy and time spent wasted arguing with idiots. Fighting form inside may change the system or might be useless wheel spinning. Breaking off or boycotting can put pressure or may get written off as sour grapes.

In short, being a woman means you always lose, so we do what we gotta do and take the actions that seem the most awesome to us at the time.

On that note, while I hate Twilight, I absolutely looooove the fact that Twilight’s “acceptable avenue for young female geekitude” had a bunch of the asshole types of nerds crying giant hissy-fits about how “they were losing Comic Con” to this giant sea of threatening femininity. It was great because it only hurt the type of insecure vile sexist who sees the existence of large groups of female women at “his con” as a personal attack on him. Delicious.

As such, there’s no greater revenge on an event with a minority of loud douchebags than trying to take it over.

Comment #11: Cerberus  on  03/13  at  06:45 PM

Cerebus, the different options you mention have various degrees of effectiveness, depending on what your goals are.  In this situation, the offense was trotting out an easily disproved stereotype, which is that women and science geeks are mutually exclusive categories.  The best way to fight that is to disprove it, and the best way to disprove it is to hang in and be visible.

But other situations require other strategies. Sometimes, it’s not so clear-cut.

Comment #12: Amanda Marcotte  on  03/13  at  06:56 PM

Maybe instead of calling them “skeptics”, we should call them “septics” as in they are full of shit.

Comment #13: Albert Cirrus  on  03/13  at  07:13 PM

Oh, the guy from The Big Bang Theory is sexist?  Damn, I really enjoy that show AND I thought he was getting better (last season they even showed geek girls).

Comment #14: Antigone  on  03/13  at  07:21 PM

Amanda @13

Yeah, I know, just noting that I don’t blame minority groups who just decide to check out of sexist crap because not having the extra headache of an often no-win battle is one of those “personal is political” we all do what we need to for mental health sort of deals.

Carefully explaining to the moron brigade that your existence disproves their ignorant grasp of race or sex or sexuality is all well and good, but sometimes we don’t always feel like getting into it and that’s it’s not really our job to do it every damn time we go out and try to do something or be a part of something.

And it gets even harder when the “right path” isn’t as clear-cut as it was in your example.

I personally tend to go for general forms of speaking up, but a lot of that is because I’ve found it deliciously ironic how so often my general existence disproves a lot of dumbass cultural assumptions and it can be fun to essentially argue “I exist ergo you’re wrong”.

Comment #15: Cerberus  on  03/13  at  07:41 PM

Maybe instead of calling them “skeptics”, we should call them “septics” as in they are full of shit.

ok that got a big smile from me.

The last thread was so weird. You had Knut and some other chumps saying they had problems with the methods but couldn’t actually say anything about the methods and then weird ass conspiracy theories about the UN. The UN had difficulties prosecuting soldiers for sex crimes because some countries (the us for one) wouldn’t let their soldiers be tried by countries other than themselves but it was like they thought there were decisions at the top that UN forces would set up brothels when the issue was personnel visiting them or that Kofi Anan kept all the oil from food for oil when he was the one who started the investigation into the potential bribery over who got the contracts. According to Volcker there were management problems but its not like the UN is some kind of insane criminal organization and to suggest that it is is just batshit insane. 


On that note, while I hate Twilight, I absolutely looooove the fact that Twilight’s “acceptable avenue for young female geekitude” had a bunch of the asshole types of nerds crying giant hissy-fits about how “they were losing Comic Con”

What cracks me up about twilight is that the amount of people who “hate” it but who have a suspiciously encyclopedic knowledge of everything in those books. Just to be clear I don’t care for it but I’ve only seen half an hour of the first film and I decided it wasn’t for me. 

But his show is wildly sexist—-the fools that buy into psychics and other nonsense are all female, the nerds all male—-and he made jokes about hitting on women that implied that women don’t like science.

I’m going to take a wild guess and say were you talking about “The Big Bang Theory” because I think that’s the only episode of I’ve seen of that show. Its the only thing i’ve ever seen that is more relentlessly irritating than 2 and 1/2 men.

Comment #16: pharmakos  on  03/13  at  07:46 PM

What cracks me up about twilight is that the amount of people who “hate” it but who have a suspiciously encyclopedic knowledge of everything in those books. Just to be clear I don’t care for it but I’ve only seen half an hour of the first film and I decided it wasn’t for me.

I don’t find it suspicious at all.  People want to have the information at their fingertips in an argument.  I’m not that dedicated myself - I gave up on the first book about 300 pages in, when the plot still hadn’t started. - but I can certainly understand it.

Comment #17: Seraph  on  03/13  at  08:42 PM

Oh come on. Its not like its a debate of substance where you should know the positions of the opposition. Its entertainment and you are completely free to opt out of the whole phenomenon and not pay attention to it. If you read all four (?) books its not because you hated them its because you wanted to read them. In all honesty I resent the size of the negative backlash because its incredibly boring and i come across it everywhere. 

Sorry for the thread derail.

The jews did 9/11.  Back on track?

Also at the last (minor student) conference I was at the organizers brought in a skeptic as an entertaining key note speaker. I’m astonished that people can make reputations out of making fun of the obviously deluded. The guy who did the psychology of magic tricks the previous year was so much better.

Comment #18: pharmakos  on  03/13  at  08:58 PM

Amanda: that’s good to hear, actually. Most of the contact I’ve had with self-proclaimed skeptics is fairly old at this point; in the 80s and 90s anything that didn’t reek of stereotypically male hyperrationalism (with the arbitrary nature of the underlying postulates carefully hidden from sight) would set off a barrage of pearl-clutching.

Comment #19: paul  on  03/13  at  09:55 PM

Oh come on. Its not like its a debate of substance where you should know the positions of the opposition. Its entertainment and you are completely free to opt out of the whole phenomenon and not pay attention to it. If you read all four (?) books its not because you hated them its because you wanted to read them. In all honesty I resent the size of the negative backlash because its incredibly boring and i come across it everywhere.

No, actually. I read all four in order to refute them, and I complained bitterly to my wife the whole time I was reading them. They truly are atrocious, but I read them all in order to have all the facts when I went on about how terrible they are. They contain truly evil messages, and I want to be able to refute arguments from the position of knowledge, rather than hearsay.

In a sense you are correct; I wanted to read them. I did not want to read them because I enjoyed reading them, but because I wanted to know for myself and be able to say “Yes, actually, I have read all of them” when people said in arguments, “You don’t know what you’re talking about! You’ve probably never even read them!”

Comment #20: Matthew, Patron Saint of Affogato  on  03/13  at  10:19 PM

that’s some kind of masochism as far as I’m concerned

Comment #21: pharmakos  on  03/13  at  10:27 PM

Oh well, at least the Big Bang Theory has the girl (Penny) refuting both negs (the character of Howitwitz tries to use them) AND has her treating assault as assault (both times punching the guy who does it).

Comment #22: Antigone  on  03/13  at  10:49 PM

I feel someone should say that not all libertarians deny global warming or oppose feminism. Perhaps the main point stands—that we would do well to stop catering to the average libertarian’s prejudices—but we shouldn’t overgeneralize.

Comment #23: supplementfacts  on  03/14  at  04:30 AM

In skeptical circles, there’s an expression—JAQing off (just asking questions! where’s your mind! Filthy, filthy pandas!). It seems to have been coined on the James Randi Educational Foundation’s 9/11 forum, but it obviously applies elsewhere. The interesting thing about it is how very, very similar it is to push-polling.

Comment #24: BrianX  on  03/14  at  05:32 AM

The last denialist I was actually able (or willing?) to “debate” online (it was more like it* raised points, I shot them down with links, and it said it didn’t have time to read the links. /facepalm) was offended by someone else in the thread comparing him to a flat earther.

And damn right it should be offended. I mean there’s absolutely nothing in common between AGW denialists and flatearthers. That’s ludicrous. The flat earthers say that NASA is lying, for no obvious gain. Denialists just…

(looks at NASA-derived temperature graphs that also show the hockey stick trend)

...oh right.

*Usage of it due to not knowing a gender. As far as I know it might have just been a robot.

Comment #25: artiofab  on  03/14  at  05:59 AM

There’s always someone who is willing to do the “not all libertarians!” thing.  Look, libertarians are a teeny minority to begin with.  The ones that aren’t full-blown conservatives are a teeny minority of that minority.  And they’re also confused.  I appreciate the urge not to generalize, but I also think ruining a perfectly good blog post by caveat-ing it to death to appease a group of people who are so tiny as to be truly inconsequential?  Not going to do it.

Comment #26: Amanda Marcotte  on  03/14  at  10:32 AM

Here’s a rational wiki on “JAQ-ing off”.  Interestingly, the first blog post that you get when you google the term is this one….about how Jonah Goldberg uses the JAQ-ing off technique for global warming denialism.

Comment #27: Amanda Marcotte  on  03/14  at  10:36 AM

Knuterockne , I suggest you stop informing your beliefs about science by whatever happens to be the right-wing social identifier of the day. It’s clear that you believe that your unhinged rants about scientists and claiming they’re all in on a worldwide dishonest conspiracy is part of a righteous right-wing crusade against the hated liberals, but you, like many right wingers, have allowed your hatred of liberals to spill over into a greater anti-science crusade because you believe that it’s somehow a necessary part of “the cause.” And that’s why they’ve fallen off the cliff into “denialism.”

Comment #28: Tyro  on  03/14  at  04:33 PM

I suspect the show in question is The Big Bang Theory, but a lot of those claims aren’t true. The central female, Penny, is not scientific or skeptically minded, but the other major female characters on the show are:
Leslie Winkle, a physicist coworker who dated Leonard and corrects and mocks Sheldon, the uber-genius, because he’s sexist and not quite as much smarter than his coworkers as he thinks.
A doctor whose name I can’t remember who met Howard, the slimy pick-up artist engineer (whose PUA tactics are shown to be stupid, sleazy, and ineffective), but who dated Leonard. Doctors have to know a fair bit of science, and she worked around Sheldon’s hypochondria (an irrational behavior).
Leonard’s mother, who has at least 2 science/medical degrees. Neurology, for one. She’s a researcher with plenty of publications, and treats almost everything as an experiment.
Bernadette, who works with Penny at the Cheesecake Factory, is a grad student in Microbiology, but is very interested in physics.

Each of them has a different personality and all but Penny (oh, and Sheldon’s mom) are science-minded. Also, while the male characters all seem to have issues with women (Sheldon is asexual and sexist; Raj has mutism around attractive women; Howard is a PUA, and Leonard is a pleaser who had to learn he’s allowed to have his own opinion in a relationship)—their issues are shown AS problems, their problems, that they need to grow up and deal with.
Howard dropped the PUA creepiness once he had an actual date, although he’s still trying to cope with his first genuine relationship, he values it too much to be the ass he was.
Leonard is working on balancing his Geek Flag and his non-geek girlfriend, so they can both be happy.
Sheldon isn’t working on his problems, but the women around him best him because he’s emotionally a child.
Raj tried medicine to help with his mutism, but the side-effects sucked. Currently, the show is exploring homosocial bonding and how a man who can’t talk to women needs emotional intimacy from platonic friends.

Sorry, I just HAD to defend a really great, *anti-sexist* show from a criticism base don one of the producer’s cluelessness.

Comment #29: Samantha Vimes  on  03/14  at  08:35 PM

Remember that the IPCC doesn’t do research; they’re an advisory panel that summarizes the current research for their reports.

Don’t you understand? All climate scientists are in the direct employ of the IPCC and UN and are paid to do just as they say!!!!!

Comment #30: Tyro  on  03/14  at  11:12 PM

Obviously, Knute, it is a conspiracy to destroy the very United States itself and set up a grim totalitarian state in which noble Christians like yourself are ground up into petfood. Congratulations on seeing past the lies! You are too smart for “them!” The underground resistance will be in touch. Make sure to wear tinfoil on your head so the UN doesn’t find out what we’re planning.

Comment #31: Yawgmoth  on  03/15  at  12:00 PM

From #27

I appreciate the urge not to generalize, but I also think ruining a perfectly good blog post by caveat-ing it to death to appease a group of people who are so tiny as to be truly inconsequential?  Not going to do it.

Amanda, thanks for that. Political correctness sucks. Libertarians should simply be mocked for their ridiculous, un-scientific, and magical beliefs about markets and governments, as well as for their nutty sub-Nietzschean philosophy. I always enjoy how you refuse to be concern trolled.

Comment #32: atheist  on  03/16  at  10:53 AM

On the side topic:
Big Bang Theory - It needs also to be pointed out that Leonard’s former girlfriend was a geek and a rival to Sheldon in Physics over the course of about 4 shows.  Season before last, I think.  I do not watch regularly, though I usually enjoy it when I do.

Comment #33: helen w. h.  on  03/19  at  01:12 PM

Sorry, posted before getting to SV’s more detailed post.

Comment #34: helen w. h.  on  03/19  at  01:14 PM
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