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GOP sees Bobby ‘The Exorcist’ Jindal as its Obama for 2012

No lie. Boy this party is in more trouble than I thought. Now that the bloom is off of the Sarah Palin rose, apparently GOP movers and shakers are ready to gamble on the governor of Louisiana. Must be that whole diversity thing nagging at them. Sorry pals, he’s still a fundie.

Like the president-elect, Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana is young (37), accomplished (a Rhodes scholar) and, as the son of Indian immigrants, someone familiar with breaking racial and cultural barriers. He came to Iowa to deliver a pair of speeches, and his mere presence ignited talk that the 2012 presidential campaign has begun here, if coyly. Already, a fierce fight is looming between him and other Republicans—former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, who arrived in Iowa a couple of days before him, and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, who is said to be coming at some point—for the hearts of social conservatives.

...“The Republicans really have no choice except to look at some people more youthful if they want to have a better chance of winning,” said Betty E. Johnson, an independent and the wife of a Cedar Rapids pastor, who voted for George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004 but who went for Obama over 72-year-old John McCain. “I liked Obama’s energy and hope. I don’t know, but maybe a younger person would give Republicans a feeling of more energy, openness.”

Exactly—a feeling of more openness. It takes more than being born in the last half of the century to actually project a nod to diversity and openness, but whatever, the GOP is all about imagery and imagination rather than reality. Look at the sea of pale old folks who attended its convention. But I guess fronting is about as good as the Republicans can do.

....Meanwhile, others around the country were talking him up. No less an aspiring kingmaker than Steve Schmidt, the chief strategist of McCain’s failed presidential bid, sees Jindal as the Republican Party’s destiny. “The question is not whether he’ll be president, but when he’ll be president, because he will be elected someday.” The anti-tax crusader Grover Norquist believes, too, that Jindal is a certainty to occupy the White House, and conservative talk-radio host Rush Limbaugh has described him as “the next Ronald Reagan.”

...“If anything, McCain’s candidacy suggests that age is not always a positive—and sometimes is a negative,” Norquist says. “As Republicans, you have a real problem now with younger voters and immigrants. If you were going to central casting for a candidate to deal with all that, who do you have? Jindal. He is young, and he looks young. . . . He’s a great communicator. And his record is that he’s sharp and quick with policy.”

Jindal supporters regularly evoke the Reagan parallel, fueled by a confidence that their hero’s brand of social and fiscal conservatism, coupled with his sunny folksiness on the stump, can rekindle the Reagan flame.

Wait—Reagan!? I thought that Sarah Palin was the reincarnation of Ronald Reagan, according to his son Michael:

Wednesday night I watched the Republican National Convention on television and there, before my very eyes, I saw my Dad reborn; only this time he’s a she…Welcome back, Dad, even if you’re wearing a dress and bearing children this time around.

Anyway, this bit of business below the fold is the nugget to pay attention to…

Jindal is his own invention, in the mold of an Obama. Born in Louisiana as Piyush Jindal to highly educated immigrants from India, he decided as a young child to nickname himself “Bobby,” after his favorite character on the TV show “The Brady Bunch.” Raised as a Hindu, he converted to Catholicism while in college and later wrote a lengthy, intimate story that provided a window on his religious evolution, in a manner that fairly calls to mind Obama’s books about his own grappling with issues of self-identity.

...The record is still evolving, like the rest of him. But social conservatives like what they have heard about the public and private Jindal: his steadfast opposition to abortion without exceptions; his disapproval of embryonic stem cell research; his and his wife Supriya’s decision in 1997 to enter into a Louisiana covenant marriage that prohibits no-fault divorce in the state; and his decision in June to sign into law the Louisiana Science Education Act, a bill heartily supported by creationists that permits public school teachers to educate students about both the theory of “scientific design” and criticisms of Darwinian evolutionary concepts.

Yes, there we are. Nothing new, just a new hue to the same bible based policy promotion by the GOP. No one is going to be fooled by this guy.

Let’s just take a look at some of the fun stuff about Bobby Jindal that was unearthed this cycle and tell me if these posts from the Blend files reflect change or more of the same…

* McCain VP short-lister Bobby Jindal’s exorcist work.

in an essay Jindal wrote in 1994 for the New Oxford Review, a serious right-wing Catholic journal, Jindal narrated a bizarre story of a personal encounter with a demon, in which he participated in an exorcism with a group of college friends. And not only did they cast out the supernatural spirit that had possessed his friend, Jindal wrote that he believes that their ritual may well have cured her cancer.

And more…

* Bobby ‘The Exorcist’ Jindal to let anti-discrimination law expire

* Jindal draws a blank when asked about McCain’s ‘big ideas’

* Bobby ‘Exorcist’ Jindal ready to sign off on stealth creationism bill
* Jindal: intelligent design is legitimate science

UPDATE: One of my readers, JulieWaters, added this graphic in the comments…

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Posted by Pam Spaulding on 06:24 PM • (46) Comments

Michael Reagan’s gonna have to cut back on the comparisons soon—he called Obama “Reaganesque” a few days ago.

Next thing you know, we’re going to hear about how “Reaganesque” the manager of his local McDonald’s is.

Comment #1: Mnemosyne  on  11/30  at  06:34 PM

No way, he’s young. He will keep his powder dry until 2016, unless Obama fucks up at a Bush level.

Comment #2: Ben D.  on  11/30  at  06:45 PM

BTW, how the hell can someone who is obviously intelligent (Rhodes Scholar, for God’s sake!) honestly buy stuff like creationism? Or is he only using it cynically to advance his political goals?

Comment #3: Ben D.  on  11/30  at  06:47 PM

Ben, there are plenty of wingnuts who’ve come out of Ivy League schools. Crazy comes in all colors and all shapes, and it attends all kinds of colleges…

Comment #4: Scott  on  11/30  at  07:42 PM

Just what kind of Catholic is Jindal, anyway?  The mainstream church very, very rarely does exorcisms anymore - they’re a lot more likely to refer you to a doctor of some kind - and even if they decide one is in order, only a priest has the authority to perform one!

And what’s this shite about curing his friend’s cancer?  Did the Catholic church ever teach that physical ailments (that they recognized as such) could be cured by an exorcism?

Comment #5: Seraph  on  11/30  at  07:54 PM

Which, logically speaking, should put a lie to shit like Epstein’s claims in the blog before this one - and a host of other fundiementalist cliams about the academy being a liberal indoctrination.  Then again, logically speaking and fundie continue to be an oxymoron.

Comment #6: phylosopher  on  11/30  at  07:56 PM

Just what kind of Catholic is Jindal, anyway?

I don’t know, but I do know the Protestant Republicans up in Iowa probably won’t go for ANY kind of Catholic. A lot of folks think that’s the reason Huckabee ran away with the Social con vote, while Sam Brownback never got off the ground.

The GOP has never nominated a Roman Catholic for President.

Comment #7: Ben D.  on  11/30  at  08:02 PM

BTW, how the hell can someone who is obviously intelligent (Rhodes Scholar, for God’s sake!) honestly buy stuff like creationism? Or is he only using it cynically to advance his political goals?

The two aren’t mutually exclusive, if you take out the word “cynically”.  Just because someone is a true believer doesn’t mean they’re above using shared beliefs to rally fellow believers to their banner.  Quite the opposite.  After all, by advancing his personal political career, he’s advancing those beliefs.

Personally, my money is on “true believer”.  His record gives every indication of it. 

As to how he can believe, well…intelligence alone is no defense.  Ignorance - especially willful ignorance - will trump it every time. 

Check out this story.  This guy clung to Young-Earth Creationist beliefs for years, and he was a geologist.  The evidence against his beliefs was looking him in the face every day, but he kept that information - the information necessary to do his job - in a separate mental compartment from what he believed must be true. 

How much easier, then, is it for a Political Science major to believe?  Experts are just as easy to fool as the rest of us outside their areas of expertise.  Anti-evolution activists have a lot of very convincing arguments that disprove evolution quite neatly - if you aren’t interested in listening to the counter-arguments.

Comment #8: Seraph  on  11/30  at  08:39 PM

And again, just what kind of Catholic is Jindal, with this Intelligent Design stuff?  The Church acknowledged evolution under JPII.

Comment #9: Seraph  on  11/30  at  08:41 PM

Conservatives keep repackaging their failed ideology. They had some success with a b movie actor and a drug store cowboy. The socker mom was a failure at getting votes and Jindahl seems like a non starter although the stoner vote may think they are voting for Kumar.

Comment #10: karl  on  11/30  at  08:44 PM

Damn!  Ronald Reagan has already had more reincarnations than the Dalai Lama…

Comment #11: MikeEss  on  11/30  at  08:45 PM

How much easier, then, is it for a Political Science major to believe?

Amazingly, Jindal has a masters in bio as well from Oxford. OXFORD. IN BIO.

Comment #12: Ben D.  on  11/30  at  08:48 PM

Sorry…it was from Brown double major poli sci and bio. Oxford was a masters in poli sci.

Still…undergrad at Brown University in bio, and he doesn’t believe in evolution. That blows my mind.

Comment #13: Ben D.  on  11/30  at  08:50 PM

Amazingly, Jindal has a masters in bio as well from Oxford. OXFORD. IN BIO.

Really?  I only see the honors in Bio from Brown on his Wikipedia page.

Even so, I point you back at the story of the geologist who spent years clinging to the belief that the Earth was 6,000 years old despite what he saw at work every day.  Compartmentalization and denial are amazing and horrifying things.

Comment #14: Seraph  on  11/30  at  08:54 PM

Someone said today that they thought Michael Moore could get elected on the Republican ticket if he could get enough people to claim he was “Reaganesque”.

I’m not seeing anything to disprove that, yet.

Comment #15: Nenya  on  11/30  at  08:55 PM

“Compartmentalization and denial are amazing and horrifying things.”

...and absolutely essential to becoming a complete Republican…

Comment #16: MikeEss  on  11/30  at  08:57 PM

I don’t see how he can “be Catholic” when he’s clearly fundnut. Last I heard, the Vatican did not look kindly on do-it-yourself exorcisms and intelligent design…

But it won’t matter here in America. He’ll be seen as the Mavricky Catholic who tells the Pope where he can shove it.

Do the fundnuts really believe that Obama was elected based on his age and race, rather than the fact that he was simply better and more left-moderate on all the issues?? Because I thought that age/race thing was just something they said on TV…didn’t think they actually believed it!!

Comment #17: Ellen  on  11/30  at  09:32 PM

Yeah sure Jindal’s like Obama. He’s a non-white politician. The resemblence rather ends there.

Plus, the ones who got their panties in a bunch over Obama being a Muslim without any evidence are going to lose their shit over the heap of evidence over Jindal growing up Hindu. His conversion to Catholicism won’t help him because the same people aren’t all that keen on Catholics.

The one thing they’ve got right is that they might need to look to younger Republicans for their next president as the American public is obviously not buying the old schtick any more.

Comment #18: Paris  on  11/30  at  09:42 PM

Yeah sure Jindal’s like Obama. He’s a non-white politician. The resemblence rather ends there.

Well, these are the same people that thought Hillary Clinton=Sarah Palin.

Comment #19: Ben D.  on  11/30  at  09:58 PM

Sorry…it was from Brown double major poli sci and bio. Oxford was a masters in poli sci.

Still…undergrad at Brown University in bio, and he doesn’t believe in evolution. That blows my mind.

Ben D.

Most of my History major/Poli-sci minor work, especially in the advanced stages dealt with Marxist and Maoist political theories, yet few people who know me well will describe me as a Marxist or a Maoist.  I knew many other classmates who studied the Talmud, the Vedas, and the Bible without necessarily believing in any form of Judaism, Hinduism, or Christianity. 

All Jindal’s bio degree signifies in regards to evolution….assuming he was actually serious about his bio studies….is that he knows the scientific theory of evolution and its applicability to the bio field…....knowing about something and actually believing it are not necessarily one and the same.

Comment #20: exholt  on  11/30  at  09:59 PM

Ben D., keep in mind that the current cognitive dissonance dodge is that God created earth with the appearance of evolution as a sort of ‘test of faith’ to see who would believe in the Bible and who would believe their own eyes.

I would assume that Jindal believes this, if he believes in ID at all.

Comment #21: Ellen  on  11/30  at  10:08 PM

“The Republicans really have no choice except to look at some people more youthful if they want to have a better chance of winning,” said Betty E. Johnson,

Wait…do they have someone older?  Zombie Ronald Reagan is an option?

Steve Schmidt, the chief strategist of McCain’s failed presidential bid

Why is anyone listening to this guy after the campaign he ran?  Seriously?  Anyone?

If you were going to central casting for a candidate to deal with all that, who do you have?

Fucking Norquist.  Why would you go to central casting for a candidate at all?  You want the real deal, not an actor playing a part, right?  Not a pretty brown face as a puppet for the rich old men behind the curtain, right?  B/c Jindal is Reagan, not a puppet playing Reagan.  Right?

Jindal is his own invention, in the mold of an Obama.

Well, then he’s not his own invention, if he’s a copying someone else’s mold.  And if you think Jindal is ANYTHING like Obama…Christ help you.

Ellen, I like the whole “test of faith” tack.  That’s a god I want to believe in: a lying liar who lies b/c he wants you to say there are 5 lights when there are only four lights!

Jindal can’t hide in that dodge, since Catholicism teaches that God prefers a questioning faith.  We’re supposed to think about these things and wrestle with them and STILL have faith after all.  Yeah, I know they don’t teach it that way…it’s say this verse and go to confirmation or you won’t pass 8th grade! but it’s still a tenet.

Comment #22: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  11/30  at  11:03 PM

Caren,

Ah, I love coming from a freaky cult (American fundnuts) because they believe the darndest things. Unfortunately, I’m dating myself - the “God created the earth with appearance of age to test us” theory is now out of vouge, I see, from catching up just now. I guess the Lying-Liar-Who-Lies theory ran out of steam for that very reason. Looks like the current going theory now is “The Evolutionary Scientists have twisted scientific findings to support false evolution, and it’s our duty as Christians to just mark the ‘right’ answers on the test and get the damned degree”. (Lying on a test apparently isn’t a sin, but then again American fundnuts HATE to suffer for their beliefs.)

I love that line of thinking because it presupposes that all scientists are godless atheists who are so afraid of hell (fundnuts believe that all non-believers KNOW they are going to hell and are just too stubborn to do anything about it) that they have invented evolution so that they can sleep at night…even knowing that it’s a complete lie. This is espcially laugh-worthy because these SAME fundnuts will tell you that Christianity MUST be true, because otherwise the apostles (the ones that history has failed to confirm even existed? yeah, THOSE apostles) would have wasted their lives on a LIE…and NO ONE does that. Except godless atheist scientists.

I love cults.

The hard thing about coming from all that, though, is I’m marginally afraid of Christians, because I never “see” good, moderte Christians (because they don’t wear signs on their chests, I’m guessing). I know they exist, and I LOVE Robert Price, but it’s still hard to imagine them being real.

Comment #23: Ellen  on  11/30  at  11:33 PM

Wait…do they have someone older?  Zombie Ronald Reagan is an option?

Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes,

What?!! Didn’t you know Zombie Reagan actually ran in this year’s election as seen here and here?!! wink

Comment #24: exholt  on  11/30  at  11:34 PM

Hey!  HEY! We gots ourselves a darkie wid a funny name too!

Comment #25: Ms Kate  on  12/01  at  02:14 AM

i am beginning to believe it is literally, physically impossible for me to understand how the Far Right thinks.

Comment #26: denelian  on  12/01  at  03:05 AM

probably because they don’t

Comment #27: stephanie  on  12/01  at  03:14 AM

i am beginning to believe it is literally, physically impossible for me to understand how the Far Right thinks.

I think I finally figured it out in this last election:

They believe that there is literally no such thing as a minority or woman who is equally as qualified as a white man, and there’s definitely no woman or minority who’s more qualified than a white man.  Therefore, any minority or woman who’s in a position of authority got there by other means (affirmative action, etc.) because, hey, you can see s/he’s not qualified!  She’s a chick!  He’s a black dude!

Because women and minorities are by definition unqualified, it’s pointless to look for a woman or a minority who’s smart or has other qualifications for the job.  Since they’re just going to be there as a figurehead, it doesn’t matter who you pick.  That’s why you run Alan Keyes against Barack Obama—hey, they’re both black dudes, so you may as well vote for the Republican black dude!  That’s why you pick Sarah Palin as your VP—hey, she and Hillary are both women, and you know what that means, so you may as well vote for Palin!

One of the nice things about this election is that it really brought that attitude of the Republicans front and center on a national level.  Jesse Helms could get away with running the infamous “Hands” commercial in South Carolina in the 1980s, but trying to convince people that Palin’s 18 months as governor of Alaska was exactly the same as Clinton’s 25 years in politics brought the looniness of that belief out into the light.

Comment #28: Mnemosyne  on  12/01  at  03:56 AM

I can’t believe Jindal is faking his beliefs. If he was crafty enough to be doing that to exploit the fundie sheep, he would probably also be able to look at the likelihood of alienating a much larger part of the population who would, I think, be completely turned off by his exorcism story.

1. Pretty much all non-Christians. At least, I think that while the Abrahamic texts have some inclusion of the idea of demons, the idea of a Catholic and his friends casting one out would not charm them. Christians are a large majority in the country, but if you compare all non-Christians with Republican Christians who believe in exorcism, the numbers are probably much closer.

2. Most people who have had a loved one die of cancer. Seriously. You’re going to imply that their beloved family member died because no one thought to do an exorcism? F___ you.

3. Strict Catholics wondering why proper procedures weren’t followed for the exorcism.

4. Strict Fundies offended by a Papist claiming to be able to do these things. If he has such a close, personal relationship with Christ, why hasn’t he signed up with the *right* church?

5. Mainstream Christians, who I expect are still the majority, who love Jesus, can talk themselves into believing most of the Bible is true if you interpret it… but who look askance at modern claims of miracle-working, especially by the person who claims to have done it.

If I were going to try to cynically exploit faith for politics, rather than for financial gain (for a media preacher, I think aiming at the fanatics works, because no one else is stupid enough to send in money for faith-healing via TV), I would portray myself as something mainstream-y, that few people object to, like Methodist. Then I would throw in some dog-whistles to the right, knowing the only people who would criticize me for it is nasty left-wing bloggers. smile

Comment #29: Samantha Vimes  on  12/01  at  07:33 AM

Converting from Hinduism to Catholicism.
Isn’t that just exchanging one form of idolatry for another?

Comment #30: Childe O' Grace  on  12/01  at  11:14 AM

3. Strict Catholics wondering why proper procedures weren’t followed for the exorcism.

That’d be Conservative Cafeteria Catholics.  Liberal Cafeteria Catholics would be embarrassed as hell that anyone claiming to be Catholic would believe in exorcism.  I’m not even sure whackadoodle fake Catholic* Mel Gibson goes that far.

 

*Gibson, despite the MSM’s repeated insistence, is NOT Catholic.  He follows the faith started by an excommunicated former priest.  Not just defrocked, excommunicated.  Seriously not Catholic with the Big C.

Comment #31: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  12/01  at  11:24 AM

*shivers* I’m glad Samantha Vimes is on OUR side. That’s so good strategery there. smile

Comment #32: Ellen  on  12/01  at  01:03 PM

Okay, that looks sarcastic now that I re-read it. Seriously, I think you hit the nail on the head, Samantha. And I agree on your chosen method of rising to demagogue status.

Comment #33: Ellen  on  12/01  at  01:04 PM

he’s easy to mock, but don’t underestimate him.  hurrying back from LA before they started the contraflow for Hurricane Gustav, I heard him on the radio giving a press conference in which he answered reporters’ questions for an hour with detailed information and no boilerplate, even acknowledging the few instances in which he didn’t have updates and promising to get that information.  It was impressive.

Comment #34: paperpusher  on  12/01  at  02:18 PM

The thing about the Huckabee/Jindal/Palin axis is that they ALL represent the crazy whackjob wing of the Republican party. Two weeks ago the gasbags were saying “the GOP needs to cut its ties to the science-deniers and go back to small government”. But - aside from the fact that “small government” doesn’t really mean anything - the GOP excised everyone who wasn’t totally crazy.

Comment #35: Dolbia  on  12/01  at  02:20 PM

3. Strict Catholics wondering why proper procedures weren’t followed for the exorcism.

Can’t emphasize this enough.  If you’re the kind of Catholic that actually believes exorcisms are still necessary in this day and age (quite rare, as I pointed out before), then what he did was equivalent to a random civilian off the street running into a tense hostage situation and waving a gun around.  Highly specialized, demanding and “dangerous” rituals like exorcisms are the whole reason people invented shamans and priests in the first place.

Comment #36: Seraph  on  12/01  at  02:59 PM

Plus, the ones who got their panties in a bunch over Obama being a Muslim without any evidence are going to lose their shit over the heap of evidence over Jindal growing up Hindu. His conversion to Catholicism won’t help him because the same people aren’t all that keen on Catholics.

All true, though I think it’s worth noting that part of the “secret Muslim” slur is that Islam is our current national bogeyman, having replaced Communism for those who just need to have an enemy.  I doubt any of them have heard enough about Hinduism to make any more of it than Childe O’ Grace did - i.e. it’s a kind of idolatry.  Which is something they disapprove of, of course, but it lacks the punch of The Official Religion of Terrorists (It is!  Really!  That’s why guys like Timothy McVeigh don’t count as terrorists - they were Christian).

Comment #37: Seraph  on  12/01  at  03:32 PM

he’s easy to mock, but don’t underestimate him.  hurrying back from LA before they started the contraflow for Hurricane Gustav, I heard him on the radio giving a press conference in which he answered reporters’ questions for an hour with detailed information and no boilerplate, even acknowledging the few instances in which he didn’t have updates and promising to get that information.  It was impressive.

Meh.  So he can actually speak in public.  That puts him above Bush and Palin, but that particular bar isn’t very high.

I think you underestimate just how serious a problem “easy to mock” is.  The right politician can survive a lot of gaffes and even scandals, but no politician can survive becoming a laughingstock.  Look at Rick Santorum.  Heck, look at what the Rethugs did to Al Gore and John Kerry.  Once “invented the internet” and “flip-flopper” became their public image, they were done.

Plus, gods help us, some people are more vulnerable to some kinds of mockery than others.  Al Gore and John Kerry were erudite, professorial types - i.e. just the kind of people that the Rethugs have been painting as out-of-touch and weak all along anyway.  The whole “protection from witches” ceremony at Palin’s church didn’t stick, because she’s just an ordinary, Christian wife and mother like me/like women should be.  However, the “ditz” label did stick.  Partly because she was genuinely stupid, yes - those interviews would have hurt anybody - but also because women are incompetent until proven otherwise.

As for Bobby Jindal…he’s a dark-skinned man with a funny name who performs exorcisms.  In Louisiana.  If he runs on a national level, it won’t be a question of if cartoons depict him as a Houngan (or, more likely, a witch doctor), but when and how many.  He’s not “just like us”, after all. 

I’m not exactly proud that we’ll be benefiting from racism, but as long as we don’t actually play the game ourselves, I see no reason not to let our opponents’ psychological weaknesses hurt them.

Comment #38: Seraph  on  12/01  at  03:49 PM

I’m glad someone brought up the fact that the supposed exorcism wasn’t in line with Catholic doctrine on the subject. Even though I’ve never really bought into that stuff, my first thought when I read that story wasn’t, “Exorcism? That’s ridiculous,” it was, “He’s not allowed to do that! He has to send for someone from the Vatican.”

Comment #39: roseamafoo  on  12/01  at  04:43 PM

Yes, he’s a crazy heretical Catholic, what with the amateur exorcism and the intelligent design nonsense (the Vatican has been officially pro-evolutionary theory since 1950, with Pius XII’s encyclical Humani Generis—of which the basic idea is that evolutionary theory does a good job of explaining the differentiation of species, but humans are different because God gave them a soul).

Also, given that the recent extremist Hindu nationalist violence against Christians in Orissa province has gotten an awful lot of traction in the US Christian theocrat news media*, Jindal’s parents’ religion may well be a problem with the fundy base.

* And nowhere else in the mainstream US media, largely because a) the people killed and injured were poor rural folks, not tourists in Mumbai, and b) it doesn’t fit into the “all terrorism is Islamist terrorism” meme.

Comment #40: JupiterPluvius  on  12/01  at  04:50 PM

What is it about Sarah Palin that makes whoever wrote this blurb dive into an abyss of denial about Palin’s international superstar status and her current position of leading by daylight for the 2012 election, not only among polled republicans but international a mega-bookmaking operations, Ladbrokes?

And this:

“the GOP is all about imagery and imagination rather than reality.”?

The guy dimwits like this put into office is so fake if we stood on the corner of Broadway and 42nd too long, somebody would plant his but in Madam Toussad’s Wax Museum.

Comment #41: John Carpenter  on  12/01  at  06:33 PM

A couple of things:  Modern ID creationism is able to force a fit with biology by taking the god of the gaps to absurd extremes.  The point of modern ID is not so much to preserve the literal truth of the six day creation story as to preserve the far more important fall of man narrative that follows it.  Without the talking snake, the magic fruit, and the stupid woman, sin never enters the world and there is no need for god to commit ritual suicide to appease himself.  To that end they’ve made a bunch of accommodations on the inarguable points and are mostly defending the issue on the level of biochemistry where there are still a lot of unknowns.

Mnemosyne - the dynamic you are talking about is the same thing that explains why Baroness De Rothschild could call Obama an elitist and be taken seriously on the right.  Elitism to them is all about demanding qualifications, credentials, evidence of accomplishment in order to be taken seriously.  To the wingnut mind qualifications are measured by right ideology and by adherence to wingnut folkways.

Comment #42: togolosh  on  12/01  at  06:39 PM

whoever wrote this blurb

Pam’s name is right there at the bottom of the post. 

The guy dimwits like this put into office is so fake if we stood on the corner of Broadway and 42nd too long, somebody would plant his but in Madam Toussad’s Wax Museum.

Hmm.  That’s reasonably clever, that I’ll grant you.  But why are you referring to Pam as if she isn’t here?  Did you arrive here from another blog with a link to this post?  Cut and paste a comment you made there to here? If so, you should have made at least a few changes.  Neglecting to actually address the people you’re talking to ranges from “Mildly weird and creepy” to “It puts the lotion in the basket”.

Comment #43: Seraph  on  12/01  at  10:06 PM

What is it about Sarah Palin that makes whoever wrote this blurb dive into an abyss of denial about Palin’s international superstar status

National…maybe.  International…...where did that come from?!! Last I checked, her popularity is almost all in certain sectors of the US. 

Most reactions I’ve gathered from international students I’ve chatted with about the election ranged from lack of knowledge about her/disinterest to deep disappointment and/or fear that someone who has such a strong religious ideological orientation in certain foreign policy areas combined with her lack of foreign policy experience/knowledge was in the running for the second highest office in the US.

Comment #44: exholt  on  12/01  at  11:20 PM

National…maybe.  International…...where did that come from?!! Last I checked, her popularity is almost all in certain sectors of the US. 

Superstar != popular.

I listen to the BBC’s News Quiz podcast - kind of like “Wait Wait, Don’t Tell Me” only funny. A few weeks ago, the host started a question “Which vice-presidential candidate…” and then had to stop because the studio audience erupted with laughter.

Of course, the international community mocked George Bush too, until he started attacking bits of it.

Comment #45: Dolbia  on  12/02  at  12:10 AM

Mnem -

i see what you are saying - i’ve just never understood the level of self-deception required to believe…. so i forget it. sigh.

Comment #46: denelian  on  12/02  at  12:46 AM
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