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Hard times for you, happy times for Bible thumpers

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Via PZ, a story of how evangelical churches exploit the weak and vulnerable that surprised me because of how happily the ministers admit it.

In Seattle, the Mars Hill Church, one of the fastest-growing evangelical churches in the country, grew to 7,000 members this fall, up 1,000 in a year. At the Life Christian Church in West Orange, N.J., prayer requests have doubled — almost all of them aimed at getting or keeping jobs.

Like evangelical churches around the country, the three churches have enjoyed steady growth over the last decade. But since September, pastors nationwide say they have seen such a burst of new interest that they find themselves contending with powerful conflicting emotions — deep empathy and quiet excitement — as they re-encounter an old piece of religious lore:

Bad times are good for evangelical churches.

“It’s a wonderful time, a great evangelistic opportunity for us,” said the Rev. A. R. Bernard, founder and senior pastor of the Christian Cultural Center in Brooklyn, New York’s largest evangelical congregation, where regulars are arriving earlier to get a seat. “When people are shaken to the core, it can open doors.”


Mars Hill is that notorious church that slaps tattoos and piercings on everything, but still considers women to be inferior to men, created as a servant and sex class for men.  In general, this story demonstrates why, even if Obama reaching out to Rick Warren is merely a symbolic gesture, it’s silly to try to reach out (except maybe to discredit Rick Warren, which this probably won’t do).  I know the Democrats are chomping at the bit to chip off evangelical voters, and maybe they did that to a degree because of the severity of hard times, but in the end this story demonstrates that the evangelical churches will never, ever side with Democrats.  It’s not in the pastors’ self-interest to do anything but shill for the Republican party, and it’s not just because the Republicans are warmer to hating on women and gays.  It’s because Republican rule means more desperation, and more desperation means more people who turn to the Sky Fairy for hope, and the more that happens, the more money and power these pastors amass.  And no amount of inaugural prayer will change that. 

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 08:58 PM • (119) Comments

Amen, Amanda, amen.

Comment #1: akshelby  on  12/19  at  09:11 PM

Stories like this really highlight the differences between social conservatives and social liberals/progressives:  while social conservatives whine “intolerant of my intolerance” and profit from the misery of others, social liberals are always trying to reach out, understand, and build consensus to improve things for the greatest number of people. 

On the one hand, I really hate the conciliation strategy in the political arena because it ends up weakening liberal/progressive positions and makes our leadership look weak-willed at best, hypocrites and panderers at worst.

On the other hand, this desire to reach out to those unlike us and to believe that common ground can be found in order to build a better, more humane society is the core of liberalism and progressive thinking. To abandon it in the political arena would, I think, signal a growing rigidity that would spell the end of that which makes us the standard bearers of an inclusive society.

While it’s about time for Democrats to start calling out the bigots I don’t ever think efforts to try and make them see a different way is wasted (I simply disagree on the method, particularly regarding Obama’s recent gaffe).

Comment #2: history_mom  on  12/19  at  09:11 PM

because of how happily the ministers admit it.

You obviously have not spent near enough time among the Talibangelicals.  I grew up with the bastards in Oklahoma and this does not surprise me at all.  I now happily reside in one of the least religious states in the union (Montana, believe it or not).

Comment #3: DrDick  on  12/19  at  09:13 PM

The ‘no atheists in foxholes’ trope in action. I can surely see why folks raised with Christianism (and likely long-lapsed, or Christmas & Easter Christians) would seek a familiar community when times are scary. The us vs them ideology, the ‘yer safe here in the arms of Jebus’ stuff- that has to be comforting when you’re a half-assed Christian type person who doesn’t know if your job will last or if you’ll lose your house.

I’m a-okay with whatever folks need to do to make it through their days. Just wish they’d keep the fuck away from the voting booth. And my lady parts.

Comment #4: mir  on  12/19  at  09:33 PM

So, what you’re saying is sending the American economy into the shitter was Bush’s last gift to the fundies, along with two failed wars, the wipeout of an American city, the continuing attacks on The Constitution, and never-ending fear mongering…

Comment #5: MikeEss  on  12/19  at  09:51 PM

MikeEss -
Pretty much sums it up.

Comment #6: DrDick  on  12/19  at  09:53 PM

Awesome!...

Comment #7: MikeEss  on  12/19  at  10:03 PM

The congregation of the Aryan church I attend has jumped from 30 to 32 members in the past year, so there’s no stoppin’ us, LIEbrals.

You people just don’t get it.  We church folk are REPUBLICANS and nothing you do, no gesture you make or compromise you work out is gonna make us anything less than your deadly enemy, ‘cause your DEMONcraps!!!  Suckers!!!

Comment #8: RUGGED IN MONTANA  on  12/19  at  10:14 PM

Rugged, a little bit goes a long way.

Comment #9: Joshua  on  12/19  at  10:18 PM

Rugged, it’s getting old. Just sayin’.

Comment #10: Tyler DiPietro  on  12/19  at  11:00 PM

It’s not just belief (although that may be important). It’s the social service these folks provide at a time when state and local coffers are pretty much bare (thanks, George). And the sense of community when people feel pretty much alone against the world (thanks, corporations, for dismantling civil society with long hours and unstable employment). Give to your local secular foodbank. Volunteer for your local secular shelters, or anything else that will help people without sucking them into a cult.

Comment #11: paul  on  12/19  at  11:02 PM

Fuck Christians, Fuck Jews, Fuck Muslims. I interact with you peacably and politely because you are strong and I am weak. I “tolerate” you because I have to. I used to have a car with an AC that didn’t work. I tolerated the heat, but if I had the money to fix the AC I would have fixed it. Similarly, if I had my Gyges Ring I would subvert and destroy the Middle Estern monotheistic religions. the source of many of the problems in this world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_of_Gyges


Moddle eastern monotheistists are rapists. They are the enemy. Is this not a mass rape?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaFtcIrtbm0


And the mass rape imparitive of Genesis 17 has leaked into the medical culture of the US, and thus crcumcision ha become a legitimite practice in this country. And thus boy rape has becpme a legitimate choice.

The only option is to destroy all belief in the alien gods of the Middle east. We need to change our laws that if you rape a child with a scalpel you go to jail.

Comment #12: Bacopa  on  12/19  at  11:17 PM

I can understand preachers and other religious leaders feeling excited about getting more members during these tough economic times. It makes sense to feel that way. But you’d think they would be more guilty about feeling happy, since they’re basically feeling happy at the expense of other people’s terrible misfortune. Churches are supposed to be the anti-business, that is, helping people in a way so that they can take care of themselves and don’t need to come back for more help (like the whole teach a man to fish thing). Instead, they relish in these times and vote for the politicians who will further fuck up or economy. It’s almost like churches are for-profit organizations, except instead of making money, they make soldiers for God’s army.

Comment #13: Emily  on  12/19  at  11:22 PM

o.O

Duh what?!?

(aimed at Bacopa)

Comment #14: UltraMagnus  on  12/19  at  11:25 PM

Emily:

not-for-profit just means you don’t have to pay dividends to shareholders. Any extra money just goes into extra “costs”, like the mink blanket the rectory absolutely has to have for the pastor to be at his best.

Comment #15: paul  on  12/19  at  11:25 PM

Pet peeve:  it’s “CHAMPING at the bit.”

Comment #16: Idiom police  on  12/19  at  11:27 PM

But you’d think they would be more guilty about feeling happy, since they’re basically feeling happy at the expense of other people’s terrible misfortune.\

But not when the suffering is supposed to be a part of the will of the Divine. And a lot of evangelicals (and even main stream Christians) believe that man was made to suffer and that you find God through it, or something like that. I don’t know about white congregations, but a lot of the black Christians (especially women) I grew up around subscribe to this whole heatedly.

Comment #17: UltraMagnus  on  12/19  at  11:27 PM

I can understand preachers and other religious leaders feeling excited about getting more members during these tough economic times. It makes sense to feel that way.

Well, yeah.  In a way it’s understandable.  On the other hand, my mom is a nurse.  When she hears that heart disease is on the rise she doesn’t say “yay, better job security for me!”  The opposite, in fact.

Comment #18: Notorious P.A.T.  on  12/20  at  12:04 AM

“not-for-profit just means you don’t have to pay dividends to shareholders. Any extra money just goes into extra “costs”, like the mink blanket the rectory absolutely has to have for the pastor to be at his best. “

Or buying up land, which doesn’t have to be paid taxes upon.  Is that a real sentence?

Comment #19: Notorious P.A.T.  on  12/20  at  12:06 AM

I’m certainly not defending the naked ambition shown by the likes of Barnard, Driscoll, or Warren, but the preachers’ excitement is understandable in light of how fundamentalists feel about “the unsaved.” To them, the choice – for those who believe it is a choice - is between salvation and hell. If economic collapse drives people to church, thus causing them to choose the ‘correct brand’ of Christianity, then ‘it can’t be all bad.’

There are plenty of great Christian non-profits out there that offer social services without applying a religious test or requiring any acts of worship - among them, Hope Mission and Sanctuary. Most of the people running places like that don’t see economic hardship as an opportunity to increase the paying ranks, since most attendees can’t tithe; rather, they see it as an opportunity to pass on information about where they themselves find comfort.

Of course, then there’s shit like this.

(ASIDE to Bacopa: WUT?)

Comment #20: The Devil's Advocate  on  12/20  at  12:08 AM

Its good to be da pastor !

Doesnt it say in the bible somewhere…

‘Seek out those who are vulnerable and fleece them’?

These christofascists have no shame.

Comment #21: druidbros  on  12/20  at  12:13 AM

You people just don’t get it.  We church folk are REPUBLICANS…

Um…no…no you’re not…

Comment #22: Tim  on  12/20  at  12:49 AM

Didn’t finish my last thought…talking with the spouse about kitchen remodeling…

Not all “church folk” are Republicans.  You’d be surprised at the mix in mainline Protestant denominations. A few weeks ago I attended mass at the Episcopal Cathedral in Cleveland.  Very progressive congregation…with a gay female priest.

However…the farther you go towards Billy Joe Jim Bob’s Last Baptist Church…

Comment #23: Tim  on  12/20  at  12:58 AM

Notorious P.A.T.  on 12/19 at 10:06 PM

Just so, evangelical mega churches like Haggard’s New Life church may be non-profit but it was a entrepreneurial business all the same.  Literally, start in his basement and grew to the huge business it still is today without him.  Haggard was a founding CEO, and then got pushed out for being “unfit” to continue running the business. 

New Life, and all other organized churches or religions, aren’t about God at all, they are about fallible men.

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Comment #25: zsdaiqtw  on  12/20  at  02:31 AM

Rugged, it’s getting old. Just sayin’.

Rugged is awesome! I’d like him to vary his schtick more, like he’s overly reliant on “demoncraps” and other repetetive tropes, but most of his posts have a nugget of genuinely original and smart material that is always relevant to the topic at hand.

Comment #26: Lamenter  on  12/20  at  03:24 AM

Oh, it’s not just the economy. One of my “favorite” stories after the Columbine shootings was the one where pastors were rubbing their hands with glee over what a great opportunity for recruiting this was.

Comment #27: J.E.G.  on  12/20  at  03:39 AM

OT, and no doubt this will be covered as soon as our mods are around, but I had to share the joy. Jerry Brown has filed a brief with the CA Supreme Court asking that Prop 8 be invalidated.

Comment #28: Sarah  on  12/20  at  04:30 AM

Uh-huh.  My husband says his family got suckered into the “born-again” community when he was a young teen via gifts of food and clothing.  Apparently taking shameless and massive advantage of people’s poverty is perfectly okay if you’re an Evangelical church.

Comment #29: Lisa KS  on  12/20  at  09:16 AM

Rugged expresses the way a lot real people actually believe. You may think he’s over the top and a parody, but I read his stuff and remember what it was like to live with that mind-set.

I’d say most Christians believe you can’t be liberal and a Christian.
And they’ll be the first to tell you that liberal churches aren’t Christian at all. Gay women pastors? Not at all Christian, regardless of what they preach or the work they do. Women pastors are expressly forbidden in plain language and gayness is incompatible with Christianity. (Because if you really believe, Jesus will “fix” you)

I’m not surprised evangelicals are growing. I remember the 70s and 80s, where the modern Talibangelical movement really got itself going. In bad times, people go to the church that promises prosperity and the bloodiest end to their enemies.

Comment #30: Angelia Sparrow  on  12/20  at  10:38 AM

I usually stop reading Rugged after I hit the first “LIEberal” or “DEMONcrap.” I’m sure I miss some of his/hers/its/their best material that way, but c’est la vie.

Comment #31: befuggled  on  12/20  at  11:33 AM

Stupid LIEbral DEMONcrap…

Comment #32: RUGGED IN MONTANA  on  12/20  at  04:47 PM

at my office the guy who works next to me often has the Mars Hill website up and it creeps me out- wondering what he *actually* thinks about having to work equally with a woman….

Comment #33: Danica Lefse Queen  on  12/20  at  04:50 PM

I’d say most Christians believe you can’t be liberal and a Christian.
And they’ll be the first to tell you that liberal churches aren’t Christian at all. Gay women pastors? Not at all Christian, regardless of what they preach or the work they do. Women pastors are expressly forbidden in plain language and gayness is incompatible with Christianity. (Because if you really believe, Jesus will “fix” you)

...which is exactly why I haven’t gone to church, even the Lutheran masses from my background, more than a few times a year since 1990.  I can’t stand to share a room with these people.  Love and peace out of one side of their vile mouths and hate out the other.  If I get a chance, I’ll go back to the Episcopal Cathedral in Cleveland.  They don’t care who you are.  You can just “be”.

Comment #34: Tim  on  12/20  at  05:31 PM

I don’t suppose it would ever occur to these guys to tell their parishioners that it’s OK to cut back their contributions to the church this year if they’re having a hard time.

This reminds me of the man who wrote to Cary Tennis of Salon that his mother was driving him crazy because he kept giving her money to pay her bills, and she kept turning around and “tithing” to her church, leaving her short at the end of the month. I don’t remember what mealymouthed advice Tennis gave, but I would have just gone to the pastor and asked him to knock it off. And if he refused, I wouldn’t leave his office until I told him, in great detail, just what a thieving, hypocritical, parasitic son of a bitch he was.

Comment #35: Bitter Scribe  on  12/20  at  06:18 PM

Don’t be hatin’ on RiM. He’s the best parody troll I’ve ever seen.

Comment #36: Bitter Scribe  on  12/20  at  06:22 PM

The story of that woman in the Mars Hill article breaks my heart.  Horrible.

These churches aren’t encouraging love and humanity, they’re destroying it.  Did Jesus really want us to waste our lives like this?

Comment #37: One Canadian Girl  on  12/20  at  06:33 PM

OCG: Jesus may or may not have, but Paul sure did.

Comment #38: JoeBlu  on  12/20  at  08:42 PM

I’ve started going to church this year…. But I’m going to a Unitarian Universalist church. *grin*

Comment #39: annejumps  on  12/20  at  09:44 PM

JoeBlu,

  Who gives a shit what that asshole wanted us to do?  It’s supposed to be about Jesus, and God.

  Oh, wait.

Comment #40: One Canadian Girl  on  12/20  at  10:56 PM

nah, MERIKIN PATRIOT was way better, mostly due to the brevity factor.

Comment #41: indy  on  12/21  at  12:16 AM

Rugged in Montana is great. He needs to tell us more about life in Butte, ‘cause I’m immature and burst out laughing whenever he writes it.

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Comment #43: adamson  on  12/21  at  10:59 AM

still considers women to be inferior to men, created as a servant and sex class for men.

Is sexism inseparable from monotheism? I’ve often thought there must be somehing in the water in the Holy Land, for Orthodox Jews to treat their women the same as fundamentalist Muslims, as merely one example.

Comment #44: Hector B.  on  12/21  at  01:13 PM

Is sexism inseparable from monotheism?

Of course it is. You never met a sexist Hindu or atheist?

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Comment #46: Andry  on  12/21  at  01:30 PM

“You never met a sexist Hindu or atheist?”

Dear God, yes! Lots. Seriously, have you ever been around conservative or tradition-minded Indians? And I know plenty of atheist “libertarians” (=angry semi-educated Southern/rural militaristic white dudes), too. You need to get out more.

If you happen to be on a research-oriented university campus, poke around the science departments, and you’ll find plenty of Subcontinental sexist attitudes. And lots of atheists who vote Republican.

@Tim. Rare to meet someone who’s in my religious ballpark on this blog. Unfortunately, most Pandagonites subscribe to some version of the thesis that Christianity *by nature and essence* promotes everything that is socially unjust. Efforts to show that this is in serious historical and theological error are in vain. It’s an ideological blind spot. Given the behavior of most people who call themselves “Christian” in this country, it’s easy to understand it.

Comment #47: wapsie  on  12/21  at  03:52 PM

D’oh, wait… you said “never”, not “ever”, and the context is monotheism. Never mind (sorry about the snark, too). I can actually read, I swear. smile

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