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Movies

Spoilers.

Once again, I feel like I have to write a second post on something I’ve written about before.  This time the movie “Kick Ass”.  Kjerstin Johnson at Bitch Blogs cannot understand why the movie wasn’t called “Hit Girl”, with that character at the center and Kick Ass’s storyline basically wiped out completely.  Her arguments are: a) she steals the show b) she’s more interesting and c) Kick Ass is boring.  My main objection to her post is the filmmakers did what you wanted.

“Kick Ass” is a movie about Hit Girl.  What the filmmakers did was a classic bait and switch.  They brought forth certain conventions of movies to lure you into thinking you’re watching one kind of movie (about a young man’s coming of age), and instead they gave you an entirely different story.  That Hit Girl steals the show is the point.

I can see how it’s easy to be fooled.  We’re so used to seeing these tedious signs that a character is the protagonist that it might be easy to miss the subversion.  He’s the narrator.  He’s the first character onscreen.  We get this long digression about his love life.  I suppose by most standards, he’s the protagonist.  But he’s an unconventional protagonist, because he is indisputably Hit Girl’s sidekick.  The story is one where a sidekick ascends to the #1 position and brings along the newbie as her new sidekick.  If you have any doubts about it, think about who fills the most important role of an action film, that of the person who is an unstoppable killing machine.  And who has the tragedy that compels her to action?  It’s Hit Girl.  If you have any doubts left, take into consideration Kate Harding’s point.

Hit Girl has to be bailed out by a man with a gun twice, but both times, only after she’s killed so many fucking people so efficiently she has more than earned an assist - just like male heroes almost always get saved by a sidekick once or twice, without anyone questioning whether they remain extraordinarily, even absurdly, capable fighters. (You have to put the hero in a bit of real danger and give the tagalongs something to do, after all.) She does take a brutal beating before one of those assists comes along, and it’s horrible to watch for a lot of reasons, but if we look at her as the hero of a SBUAALOPD movie - which, title notwithstanding, she basically is - this is also perfectly standard. The asskicker-in-chief inevitably ends up bloodied but unbowed.

Sidekick saves the day is such a standard device that it should be obvious that’s exactly what they were doing.  And they were doing it knowingly.  I’m always amazed when I see blog posts that assume so readily that the filmmakers have so little control over their own storytelling.  I don’t think that it’s all just some crazy coincidence or the magnificent acting powers of Chloe Grace Moretz.  Most filmmakers have control over their story, and you can write off stupid movies to bad taste.  But even if that wasn’t true, this movie pulls the bait and switch off so perfectly that the safest bet is to assume that’s the intention. 


What I find interesting is that this is the second movie I’ve seen in less than a year that pulled a similar bait and switch.  “Inglorious Basterds”, while by far a deeper and more interesting and less popcorn-y movie, does the same thing for the same reasons. You buy a ticket to see the Basterds kick ass, and you get a story about a woman who gets her revenge.  Tarantino is more obviously playing a game with his audience, because he can basically do whatever he wants and he’s proven he can make money selling female protagonists to his audience.  With him, I trust that his intention was subversion of expectations for its own sake.  With the producers of “Kick Ass”, however, there may have been other factors in play.

If you’ve never read this post by Jennifer Kesler about how screenwriters are strongly discouraged when it comes to creating fleshed-out female characters, please do.  Kesler is writing about the Bechdel test specifically, which wouldn’t be in play in this movie from the beginning, but I think her larger point about sexism in Hollywood still stands.

When I started taking film classes at UCLA, I was quickly informed I had what it took to go all the way in film. I was a damn good writer, but more importantly (yeah, you didn’t think good writing was a main prerequisite in this industry, did you?) I understood the process of rewriting to cope with budget (and other) limitations. I didn’t hesitate to rip out my most beloved scenes when necessary. I also did a lot of research and taught myself how to write well-paced action/adventure films that would be remarkably cheap to film – that was pure gold.

There was just one little problem.

I had to understand that the audience only wanted white, straight, male leads. I was assured that as long as I made the white, straight men in my scripts prominent, I could still offer groundbreaking characters of other descriptions (fascinating, significant women, men of color, etc.) – as long as they didn’t distract the audience from the white men they really paid their money to see.

You could want to make a movie called “Hit Girl”, but good luck selling that to a studio willing to give you the budget to make the movie you envision.  But you can totally sell a movie called “Kick Ass” with every touchstone that comforts the money people—-that this will be about a teenage boy, that there will be a love story, that there will be lots and lots of stuff for the cherished male audience to relate to, and that it will be a male power fantasy.  The experiment here was to see whether or not it mattered what the story was actually about, as long as you could sell it with the cliched tropes. 

Because of this, I have to point out that the restraints put on Hollywood actually helped form the vision for this movie.  Because they couldn’t make Hit Girl the marketing force or the sales pitch to the studio, they were able to do what moviemakers never get to do, which is make a movie that’s genuinely surprising.  Unless you’ve read the comics, which I haven’t, the fact that Hit Girl is an unstoppable killing machine is a complete fucking surprise.  And because it’s a surprise, it helps dredge up all the questions that are clearly in play, the number one being why it’s easy for audiences to accept a grown man (or teenage boy) performing impossible ass-kicking feats onscreen, but it blows our mind to see an 11-year-old girl do the same thing.  After all, Hit Girl is no less implausible than Spider Man, the Terminator, or Neo.  It caused me to think about the often-subtle ways that male dominance is reinforced in our society—-the reason that we find grown men with super powers or impossible skill levels more acceptable than little girls is that we think of men as “strong” and girls as “weak”.  But of course, grown men and little girls alike are vulnerable to injury or death from violence.  Grown men and little girls alike cannot think that quickly on their feet, nor can they climb walls or withstand some of the violence routinely inflicted on heroes in these movies. 

You can argue that you want to see movies that straight up sell female protagonists in these power fantasies.  And let’s be clear: I’m not saying it’s somehow some great thing that a major ass-kicking female superhero that’s not a sex object has to stand behind a teenage boy in the ads and only step out when they get asses in seats.  I do think it’s interesting that, given these kind of restraints, filmmakers are looking for ways to play with them creatively.  Or, in Tarantino’s case, just send them up ruthlessly.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 09:15 AM • (57) Comments

One weird thing that I noticed happening is that people seem to be complaining more about the cussing than the do the killing, which I just find weird.

Comment #1: Leah Jaclyn  on  04/21  at  11:13 AM

Hmm, suddenly this “Kick Ass” movie sounds like it might be interesting.

I had to understand that the audience only wanted white, straight, male leads.

This rule holds in general, but I question whether it holds for action movies - especially martial arts movies where the lead can certainly be Asian (and may even seem inauthentic if white).  But then again, I remember an interview with Jackie Chan where he said that he wanted to play a romantic lead in a movie that did not involve any martial arts whatsoever.  I doubt big (American) studios are beating down his door to offer him that role.

Of course the fact that an Asian can only be the lead in an action movie - especially one with martial arts featured prominently - is a whole other kind of fucked up.

Comment #2: Richard Goblin  on  04/21  at  11:15 AM

they couldn’t make Hit Girl the marketing force

There is a trailer/preview ad for “Kick Ass” that focuses primarily on Hit Girl. The reason for this is because a lot of the impressive action scenes involve her, so the movie can pitch itself as an action movie to its potential audience only if they show that Hit Girl is a prominent character.

Comment #3: Tyro  on  04/21  at  11:21 AM

I think people get upset about the cursing because it’s something that upsets them in real life.  They’re out at a restaurant and some kid starts swearing, they get mad about it.  “Those people” (whatever group the parents may appear to belong to) just don’t know how to raise kids.  No discipline.  Everything that’s wrong with society.  It’s something people actually encounter, and which upsets them on a regular basis.  11-year-old mass murderers are, thankfully, somewhat more rare.  It’s just not part of peoples’ everyday experience, so it’s easy enough to think that it’s just a movie, just fantasy.

Comment #4: libdevil  on  04/21  at  11:23 AM

One weird thing that I noticed happening is that people seem to be complaining more about the cussing than the do the killing, which I just find weird.

If you’re inclined to whine it makes more sense to bitch about the cursing, because a) American audiences are completely inured to violence, and b) all the real gore was added in post production, so arguably Chloe Grace Moretz wasn’t exposed to it.

Comment #5: Andy  on  04/21  at  11:27 AM

I’m not surprised that the cursing is getting more complaints. I remember going to Starship Troopers, which had a higher body count and a lot of pretty impressively graphic violence involving people literally being torn apart, and the woman herding the 6 kids in the row in front of me didn’t blink. But when they got to the scene where the two (hot, white, fit, heterosexual, one-of-each-gender) soldier were shown sharing a sleeping bag - covered from the clavicle down - she literally made the kids put their coats over their heads, until the sleeping bag part was over and the gratuitous violence was back in full swing.

Comment #6: Lymis  on  04/21  at  11:31 AM

“I doubt big (American) studios are beating down his door to offer him that role.”

They have a hard enough time putting an actual romantic subplot into martial arts movies where Asians are leads.  Things never tend to get past the “sidekick he clearly thinks is pretty” stage.  I think there might be an actual collective gasket-blowing if somebody seriously pitched a Jackie Chan straight-romance to them.

Comment #7: preying mantis  on  04/21  at  11:33 AM

did we forget “la femme nikita”? an early version of “girls with guns” movies, and re-made in the US, as well as a short-lived tv series.  or “xena, warrior princess”, with her sidekick, gabrielle, who saves her bacon numerous times.

actually leah (comment# 1), i don’t find it weird at all. in the US, it’s quite accepted to have hyper-violence in a movie or tv show, but if there’s even a whiff of sex, or bad language, the fundies go bonkers.

Comment #8: cpinva  on  04/21  at  11:38 AM

Yeah I get that that may be the case, but the level of moral outrage directed at the mother and it is always her Mum, is her dad not around or something? for letting her child play a role that drops the c bomb (both of them) rather than a role that includes a bunch of violence still perplexes me.

Comment #9: Leah Jaclyn  on  04/21  at  11:39 AM

If you don’t know the first thing about the movie (which I didn’t until just now), “Kick Ass” is just a better title. They could have called her “Kick Ass” and him “Hit Boy,” though. But just the idea of calling a movie “Kick Ass” still has an audacious something-or-other, I think.

Comment #10: RickMassimo  on  04/21  at  11:45 AM

In the US, it’s quite accepted to have hyper-violence in a movie or tv show, but if there’s even a whiff of sex, or bad language, the fundies go bonkers.

No joke.  It’s messed up that people prefer to see fake dead bodies to seeing live naked bodies.  WTF is wrong with our society?  (Yes, it’s a rhetorical question.)

I think there might be an actual collective gasket-blowing if somebody seriously pitched a Jackie Chan straight-romance to them.

And if they did it would be a cheesy romcom in which Chan plays a fish-out-of-water immigrant who falls in love with a “quirky” (i.e. manic dream pixie) American girl who doesn’t fit in with his more “traditional” understanding of normative gender roles.  Plus, lots of immigration related hijinks ensue.

(Richard Goblin thinks for a moment, cocks his head to the side, and runs off to draft this screenplay!)

Comment #11: Richard Goblin  on  04/21  at  11:49 AM

I literally can’t believe an interesting movie was made out of a Mark Millar comic. But I suppose many great adaptations have arisen from wretched source material (which from my paging through focused much more on the titular dude)

Comment #12: typist  on  04/21  at  11:52 AM

I disagree that Hit Girl is the main character.  She’s certainly the real superhero, but that doesn’t make her the main character.

The movie is about the mostly male teen-age power fantasy of being a superhero.  The fact that the “real” superhero is an 11-year-old girl is just an extension of the teen male’s desires and anxieties about power.  That she has the traditional “superhero arc” - dead mom, etc - is just further evidence of his falseness.

In a sense, Kick Ass is a double sidekick. Hit Girl is already a sidekick to Big Daddy, and Kick Ass becomes her sidekick.

Even the final moment, when Hit Girl beats up the bullies at her new school, is less a female empowerment angle and more a male fantasy.  (Hint: When I grew up, bullies only bullied lunch money out of guys.  If they wanted the scene to be about girl empowerment, they’d have made the scene with a more typical guy-on-girl harassment.  In that scene, then, Hit Girl is a revenge fantasy for every guy ever bullied out of lunch money.)

The other problem for the feminist reading of this movie is the teen girls around the lead and his friends.  They are far more about male fantasy than they are about female empowerment.

Comment #13: misplacedpatriot  on  04/21  at  11:58 AM

The comic did focus more on Kick Ass, but it also hated him.  He has a much sunnier character arc in the movie, and really, happiness isn’t interesting.  Hit Girl’s life is far darker (see “I never play!” and the way her father reacts to the possibility that she might be interested in anything outside of his revenge crusade), so she makes the more engaging subject for the filmed version.

Comment #14: Andy  on  04/21  at  12:00 PM

I honestly think Mark Millar sucks big dead donkey balls, but I’m excited to see this movie.  For one, it takes away the hyper-sexualization that makes female ass-kickers somehow acceptable (and the fact that this makes a bunch of guys really really squirmy is a bonus), and it shows how violent we allow our main characters to be without a second thought - until someone we don’t expect is put in the same role.

I’m looking forward to working my brain (while blanching at the violence).

Comment #15: attack_laurel  on  04/21  at  12:01 PM

What the hell does “SBUAALOPD” mean?

Comment #16: jTuba  on  04/21  at  12:04 PM

Re cussing versus violence.  I suspect that frightened parents are more concerned that their 11-year-old daughters[*] are gonna start saying “fuck” and “cunt” than they are concerned that their 11-year-old daughter is gonna start going on killing sprees.

Matt Groening’s kids, when they reached a certain age and started watching The Simpsons, all started repeating Bart’s attitude back at him, at which point he wrote to all parents everywhere, “I’m sorry.  So sorry.”

Comment #17: misplacedpatriot  on  04/21  at  12:06 PM

SBUAALOPD - Shit Blows Up And A Lot Of People Die, though you’d have to read the linked piece to get it.

Comment #18: preying mantis  on  04/21  at  12:07 PM

Whoops, forgot the [*].

[*] or any other kids…

Comment #19: misplacedpatriot  on  04/21  at  12:08 PM

Ah, thanks, pm.

Comment #20: jTuba  on  04/21  at  12:11 PM

@ 11:  Not to derail the thread and make it all about QT, but I humbly disagree.  It’s not stealing, it’s sampling.  It’s recontextualizing.  And the thing is, QT’s movies just don’t feel like anyone else’s work.  He definitely creates a universe that feels like nothing but Tarantino, no matter how many elements are taken from other movies.

And Re: Kill Bill.  The violence was exceptionally appropriate for the plot.  If you watch those old Shaw Bros movies, Lone Wolf & Cub, Takeshi Miike and Seijun Suzuki films, etc., you’d find the tone to be exactly right.

Comment #21: Dr. Locrian  on  04/21  at  12:21 PM

Seeing Hit Girl kicking ass and cussing was a dream come true for me and a lot of my friends who hit middle/high school in the mid-90s. Why? Leon/The Professional’s Matilda, who in exactly the same way was slipped in as a female lead. (Someone mentioned La Femme Nakita—this was the follow-up, American production justified by Luc Besson’s earlier French success.)

You simply cannot believe how many of my friends in how many role-playing games have brought a more-violent version of Matilda to the table… it is a long over-due fantasy, almost entirely derivative, and I’m sure the filmmakers had that very much in the front of their minds. And, I promise, it is the main selling point in the word-of-mouth campaign selling this among my people.

Comment #22: humanadverb  on  04/21  at  12:22 PM

Which, I mean to say, is that I and a lot of these friends didn’t find the violence or cussing shocking. Hit Girl’s entire nature is the essence of the female strong character—she can’t compete on any physical level with her opponents, but makes up for it with technology, skill, cleverness and courage. Just like Ripley (another of my testeroney-cohort’s idols) grabbing a forklift to run over an elephant-size space bug.

The ass kicking she takes at the end just highlights that. That she needs a little help from her friends highlights that. And it all drives home the point about what makes a compelling character.

Comment #23: humanadverb  on  04/21  at  12:27 PM

There’s nothing particularly new about the protagonist actually turning out to be the sidekick.  “Big Trouble in Little China” is all about Jack Burton being the stereotypical Hollywood action hero, with Wang Chi clearly supposed to be his sidekick…or would be if they were actually in a standard action movie, but unfortunately for Jack, he’s in a Hong Kong action movie and he’s the comic relief sidekick.

And “The 13th Warrior” is about the heroic Buliwyf and his band of merry Vikings.  Ahmed Ibn Fahdlan is at best a sidekick.  In fact, in the entire film there’s only one critical thing that he does for the plot.

Comment #24: KeithM  on  04/21  at  12:35 PM

You can’t steal themes from martial arts films. Westernize them (make the lead blond) and then pretend you are soooo original

Yet if a Japanese director lifts themes and plot from, oh I don’t know… let’s say Dashiell Hammet, it’s considered brilliant yet when re-adapted into a western they get accused of ripping off the Japanese copy of the original (The Glass Key -> Yojimbo -> A Fist Full of Dollars).

Tarantino shamelessly borrows, but so does Akira Kurosawa and so do most, if not all, directors, writers, artists, bullshitters, etc. etc. Lady Snowblood did, indeed, provide much inspiration for Kill Bill. But so did the Swedish Thriller-en grym film. The Japanese didn’t exactly invent the woman on a mission of bloody revenge story (everybody is ripping off Euripides! And he ripped off Hesiod…).

Also, if you’ll note, Tarantino played with the ax-crazy yangire trope in KB as well in the O-Ren Ishi origin story.

Comment #25: Sarcastro  on  04/21  at  12:41 PM

and to further derail, Tarantino doesn’t make movies about stories, he makes stories about movies.

Comment #26: Leah Jaclyn  on  04/21  at  12:48 PM

I think the reason why parents are more upset with cursing than violence is because they grew up with violent cartoons and the characters never swore.  Granted, it was slapstick violence and it never got bloody or graphic, but it was still violent and the transition from slapstick to graphic violence is easier to handle than “suffering succotash” to “fuck, cunt, shit.”

Comment #27: Albert Cirrus  on  04/21  at  01:02 PM

Hint: When I grew up, bullies only bullied lunch money out of guys.  If they wanted the scene to be about girl empowerment, they’d have made the scene with a more typical guy-on-girl harassment.  In that scene, then, Hit Girl is a revenge fantasy for every guy ever bullied out of lunch money.

Seriously? I’m female, and I was bullied by both boys and girls. The boys tended to threaten with physical violence and take your money/books/things, the girls tended to write crap on the bathroom walls and spread rumors.

I had my lunch money stolen by male bullies plenty of times.

Comment #28: hp  on  04/21  at  01:16 PM

How bout we make Lucy Liu “the bride” for starters instead of the blond model turned actress. Or maybe Vivica Fox as lead?

How ‘bout you watch “Jackie Brown.”

Comment #29: Richard Goblin  on  04/21  at  01:24 PM

Yes, Richard at #31. A point I’d also direct Leah at #27 to.

Also: Tarantino made Kill Bill as a 30th birthday present for Uma. I think there are a lot of reasons to question him as an artists (I don’t entirely agree with them), but I think a lot of the criticism directed at his politics is misplaced.

Comment #30: humanadverb  on  04/21  at  01:32 PM

realitybeam @ 11:
Thank you!  Tarantino orignal? Um, no, not really.  He is just exposed to more international movies than just about anyone else and more able to mash them up without being a straight rip off or spoof than most of Hollywood.
I enjoyed Kill Bill, once I got around to watching them.  But Pulp Fiction and the rest? Buh.

Comment #31: helen w. h.  on  04/21  at  01:38 PM

The advertising for “Inglorious Basterds” in other countries focused a lot more on the female characters.  I was in Japan around the time it came out there, and I noticed that all the fliers for the movie featured the actresses front and center, whereas they barely appeared in the American advertising.  I don’t think Tarantino intended to do a bait-and-switch with “Inglorious Basterds.”  He made a movie that had meaty roles for women, and the studio cut the American advertising to obscure that fact as much as possible.

Based on what I’ve read of Mark Millar’s ouvre (which is way more than I ever should have read), I doubt he was trying to make any grand point by giving so much time to Hit-Girl while still calling the story “Kick-Ass.”  He probably just realized he had a cool character and milked the hell out of her.  He has kind of a kitchen-sink approach to writing, tossing in anything he thinks would be neat whether or not it fits into the story.  I imagine he didn’t realize until he was midway through “Kick-Ass” that his protagonist’s boring teenage whinefest was a lot less interesting than the saga of the underage girl assassin.

Also, in both movies, the male characters get the title because they have the awesomest names.  You only get one chance to make a movie called “Kick-Ass.”

Comment #32: Shaenon  on  04/21  at  01:54 PM

How ‘bout you watch “Jackie Brown.”

Amen, brother.

Comment #33: Lee Brimmicombe-Wood  on  04/21  at  02:13 PM

“And because it’s a surprise, it helps dredge up all the questions that are clearly in play, the number one being why it’s easy for audiences to accept a grown man (or teenage boy) performing impossible ass-kicking feats onscreen, but it blows our mind to see an 11-year-old girl do the same thing.  After all, Hit Girl is no less implausible than Spider Man, the Terminator, or Neo.”

Spider Man > superpowers
Terminator > robotc assasin from the future
Neo       > the One

she’s far more implausible, since those other characters have a baked-in explanation for their badassery (certainly, though, the point could have been made with heroes that lack special powers, like batman, or any cop protagonist who’s an improbably good shot - i.e., nearly all of them).

my understanding was that no one in Kick Ass has superpowers, like a teen dr. manhattan-less watchman.

i would have thought that what made it mindblowing was the implausibility, and that blowing minds was the point of the hit girl character in the context of the movie.

Comment #34: ochlocrat  on  04/21  at  03:15 PM

Here’s the part I really don’t get. Why are people worried about young girls cussing when 11-year-old girls aren’t (or SHOULDN’T be) seeing this movie? It’s rated R!

I did swear like a sailor when I was that age, though (I thought it made me sound “cool”), but I actually picked up most of that from adults slipping up and swearing in front of me (not my parents, actually—teachers, people in stores and about town, etc). Not that I really want to make the “they’re going to swear anyway when their parents aren’t around” argument, but ... in my case, and in the case of all my friends, that’s what happened. Anecdotal, I know, but STILL.

And for people who are all “ohh nooo but the actress has been RUINED by being told to SWEAR in a MOVIE,” they should probably realize that the girl’s heard adults swear before in her life. At the bus stop, in the supermarket, everywhere—people swear. It just happens. Kids hear it and want to sound older and cooler. Generally they abstain from swearing in front of their parents if possible, but they know the words exist. Our society already makes swearing seem “cool” even WITHOUT movies like this (which, again, no middle-schooler will be able to attend anyway due to its rating).

This reminds me of a conversation on another blog (or possibly TV tropes?) about Zeffirelli’s film adaptation of “Romeo and Juliet.” The actress playing Juliet bared her breasts in the movie and was not old enough to go see her own boobs at the screening. I’m not sure if that’s even true or not—haven’t seen the film, so maybe the entire story is just an urban legend.
Also I know that the young kid in LoveActually wasn’t old enough to see the movie either (it’s got boobs in it, plus swearing, but no violence as it’s a romcom), and he’s on the commentary track—and they make fun of the fact that he “shouldn’t” be watching.
If you’re a young person in show business, then that’s pretty much how it goes, but I also think it’s stupid to suppose that kids outside of show biz DON’T know about swears, sex, and violence. Is there some sort of intense indoctrination that happens when you’re 13 and finally “old enough” to watch movies that contain a smattering of all three? If there is, I must’ve missed it.

Comment #35: Samus  on  04/21  at  04:16 PM

Here is an interview with the author of the comic book:

http://www.avclub.com/articles/mark-millar,40126/


AVC: You called Kick-Ass a “hymn to neo-conservatism” in The Guardian. What does that mean?

MM: Kick-Ass was originally—I started writing it six months prior to the issue that you saw, and originally issue #6 was issue #1, and it was going to be a sort-of neo-conservative Batman and Robin with Big Daddy and Hit-Girl. So there is an alternate issue #1 that no one apart from John Romita has ever seen, starring Big Daddy and Hit-Girl. And I liked it. I really felt I was on to something with those characters. I mentioned on my message boards, “I’ve done this new series; it’s a hymn to neo-conservatism,” just because it seemed such an odd thing to do.

But then, somehow, when I looked at the end of issue #1, I thought, “This isn’t right. I like these characters, but they’re not lead characters. They’re too cartoonish to be lead characters.” What I likened it to was Star Wars starring Han Solo and Chewbacca, these two guys who show up, say funny lines, and then disappear again. But you need to have the viewer-identification figure, which is Kick-Ass himself. I realized, “Hang on, I should actually write this about me at that age, rather than a fantasy kid figure.” So Dave made the whole thing a bit more human. So I did a massive rewrite on it and said to John Romita, “Give me six more months.” I sat and wrote the first two issues inside one week, and then it just all came together. Then I wrote issue #3 and introduced Hit-Girl, and I had issue #6 already written, I suppose, because it was my original issue #1. That’s the secret origin of Big Daddy and Hit-Girl. So yeah, to be honest, that was just me. What I do quite a lot is, I’ll write something, get massively enthusiastic about it, and say on my message board, “Hey, here’s what I’m up to right now,” but it’s maybe before it’s finished, and then things change.

Comment #36: lemmy caution  on  04/21  at  04:39 PM

I fail to see why killer robots, magic, or mystical powers are more plausible than Hit Girl, oclh.

But you proved my point exactly.  Why is it easy to swallow some kinds of horseshit but not others?

Comment #37: Amanda Marcotte  on  04/21  at  04:48 PM

But you proved my point exactly.  Why is it easy to swallow some kinds of horseshit but not others?

I suppose because those other movies in effect are set in universes other than our own, with different rules than our universe, and so it’s easier to make a willing suspension of disbelief about the characters in those universes.

This is most clear with Neo, though the Terminator is from “the future” and falls under the category of future tech. Spiderman is a but more blurry, but in the universe he lives in, spider bites turn people into super heroes so it ain’t the universe I live in. Paradoxically, because the protagonists in Kick-Ass don’t have actual superpowers, they presumably live in our universe, thus some people demand more “realism” from them.

Maybe - I’m just speculating here.

Comment #38: Theron  on  04/21  at  05:40 PM

I fail to see why killer robots, magic, or mystical powers are more plausible than Hit Girl, oclh.
But you proved my point exactly.  Why is it easy to swallow some kinds of horseshit but not others?

Impressive own-blog trolling.

Comment #39: Dan  on  04/21  at  05:46 PM

I’ve had some thoughts on this post that I’ve been trying to wrestle into a coherent form for the best part of an hour already; it may turn out to be half-assed rambling.  There are also VERY detailed spoilers.

Firstly, I disagree with the idea that Hit-Girl is really the protagonist; secondly, I don’t believe that you could genuinly make her the protagonist without making her character less than who she is.

In my opinion, Kick-Ass is the protagonist; he has the traditional story arc.  Dave was the kid who felt he had no identity, so he tried to create one, and somehow created two: Kick-Ass, the internet superhero; and Dave, Katie’s gay BFF; neither of them are really HIM, but both are better than having no identity at all. 

As soon as he admits the truth to Katie, as soon as he stops being fake-Dave and starts being real Dave, he doesn’t have any use for the Kick-Ass identity anymore - everything that happens after that point is fallout from having created it in the first place.

But Dave was never really a superhero.  Hit Girl IS.

Hit-Girl is the only character that displays any kind of superhuman ability, because sh’e the only real superhero of the bunch.  Dave and Big Daddy aren’t, because on one level or another, they both know that they’re pretending.  Hit-Girl really believes, and why wouldn’t she?  Daddy wouldn’t lie to her, would he?

She’s a real superhero, with a real secret identity, and she takes the concept very seriously.  Mindy plays with her toys, and plays jokes for her daddy, and gripes about her chores, and likes cocoa with marshamallows and hot fudge sundaes.  She knows what sort of things other girls her age like, and while that may be all right for them, she’s just not into that sort of thing. She even thinks Kick-Ass is pretty cool.  Hit-Girl, on the other hand, is a living, breathing embodiment of shock and awe tactics, does not suffer Kick-Ass’s amateur hour methods gladly, and does things that Mindy would never do (outside of the violence, I mean - would Mindy coyly blow a kiss to a teenage boy like Hit-Girl does?)

The contrast between Dave and Hit-Girl’s identity issues is highlighted at the end of the film.  Dave takes off his mask, and tells Hit-Girl his name.  She responds, “I know, dumbass”, before removing her mask and wig, revealling her secret identity “I’m Mindy Macready”.  He was always Dave.  She stopped being Hit-Girl, and started being Mindy.

Which brings me to my second point.

One of my favorite moments in Chloe Moretz’z performance is at the climax, after Hit-Girl gets kicked in the face by Mob Boss.

She’s on the ground with a bloody nose, and she allows herself the briefest moment of doubt, a moment to think “Oh. FUCK. I’m an eleven year old girl in a fist-fight with a grown man” And then she’s back up.

And as the film is now, it works brilliantly.  Our hero (but not our protagonist) is in jeopardy.

But if you make her the protagonist, if you give her story the emotional weight to drive the movie, if you make it about her being reunited with her daddy, and his mission, and the lies he told her, and the training/abuse he gave her (she hates being getting punched in the chest, remember?), that moment becomes the crux of the entire movie (or at least, it would be if I were writing it.  Read into that what you will).

It’s not about a hero realising that she may be out-matched in a style of combat where we’ve never really seen her be tested, not anymore.  Now, it’s about a delusional little girl realising that her entire life has been based on a fucking lie, told to her by the only person she’s ever loved, that’s now going to get her either beaten to death or shot in the face.  When she revealed her secret identity, it wouldn’t be the switch between Hit-Girl and Mindy, it would be like admitting that Hit-Girl never really existed.

It would be an interesting movie, sure, and the concept certainly worked in LEON, in the scene where Danny Aiello tells Matilda that the game is over; but it wouldn’t be FUN anymore.  It would be a downer, and I like Hit Girl and Mindy too much for that.  I want Mindy to go on with her life knowing that her alter-ego killed the bad guys and that’s okay.  I want Mindy to go to school and beat up the bullies, because that’s what MINDY would do. And I don’t want to leave the theatre thinking she’s ashamed of herself for what she’s done.

Comment #40: NinjaGoat  on  04/21  at  05:50 PM

I’m still under Amanda’s spoilers warning, right? Cuz I’m about to comment on the big enchilada reveal of the movie:

Jet pack. Mounted with twin gatling guns.

It was another bait and switch, and the arc that NinjaGoat misses is a straight line from the doomed flying attempt in the first scene to that beautiful conclusion. It is another bait and switch. What ochlocrat missed is that we were always in a James Bond, Mortal Kombat, awesome-world, the narrator just didn’t know that at the beginning.

Comment #41: humanadverb  on  04/21  at  06:07 PM

You’re right, humanadverb, I did miss that, and I’m not entirely sure I agree that it is, as you say, awesome-world; but for the sake of the argument, my point is that Hit-Girl belongs in that world and Dave does not.  He may walk in their world, but it is THEIR WORLD.

Comment #42: NinjaGoat  on  04/21  at  06:36 PM

And because it’s a surprise, it helps dredge up all the questions that are clearly in play, the number one being why it’s easy for audiences to accept a grown man (or teenage boy) performing impossible ass-kicking feats onscreen, but it blows our mind to see an 11-year-old girl do the same thing.

Sorta highlighted in the movie in that, when Hit Girl was mowing her way through an apartment full of gun-wielding mafia bad guys, Kick-Ass was… engaged in a slap fight with the other teenage supervestite.

Comment #43: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  04/21  at  06:55 PM

Between the jet pack and Hit Girl, I’d definitely call it awesome world—but point taken.

Kick Ass was just ... a C-3PO level dweeb with fewer redeeming qualities. Lemmy’s catch at #38 that the author wrote the character as a version of himself really makes sense, and backs up your point that he wasn’t of that world.

Comment #44: humanadverb  on  04/21  at  06:56 PM

“But you proved my point exactly.  Why is it easy to swallow some kinds of horseshit but not others?”

In the cases cited, probably because we’ve become habituated to certain hoarier kinds of horseshit.  The Flash and Wonder Woman have been around so long that they’ve been grandfathered in under the same clause that lets us not ask where the wolf got the idea to cross-dress when we listen to fairy tales.  So Molly Hayes (Runaways), Sola Flare (Super Stupor), and so forth don’t get blinked at, but when you try to shove them into a world that doesn’t seem to operate under those “rules,” people get cranky.  Kind of like how Superman gets to be invulnerable, but if you’re doing a movie about Batman or the Punisher, you better have an excuse for why bullets aren’t hurting him.  Adrian Veidt doesn’t really work unless you’ve established that Dr. Manhattan is a possibility.

I’d say the more pertinent examples would be the numerous action movies and series where the hero gets the his beaten so hard his soul falls out and just sort of walks it off, no medical attention or Pineapple Express-type scene required.  If Rutger Hauer can get stabbed in both kidneys, stepped on by an elephant, run over with a forklift, and then go on to defeat an army of ninja and enjoy a cold post-slaughter beer while surveying the bodies of his enemies and debating which of the female leads he would like to indulge with a taste of his manly essence with nary a raised eyebrow, it seems like it shouldn’t strain too much suspension of disbelief for a small girl in an action movie to be doing things that small girls can’t really do.

Comment #45: preying mantis  on  04/21  at  07:45 PM

@ amanda (39):

theron (#40) grasped the point exactly.

when there isn’t something about the world of the film/comic/book that explicitly violates the rules of the universe in which we live, i tend to assume that the characters in the film/comic/book share our universe, and that similar rules apply.

thus, “plausibility” is relative to what the viewer takes to be the rules of the fictive world.  for example, the existence of superheroes also gives the tech-based supervillains a free pass on whatever it is they choose to invent (where are the bullets stored in that thing?  how does it possibly carry enough fuel to []..? etc.).

as far as horseshit swallowing goes, i think everyone has their own standard for the suspension of disbelief that allows them to participate in spectacles they enjoy.  some people see “crouching tiger” and think, “wait, kung fu lets you fly?!? that’s moronic.”  someone else thinks, “that’s awesome.”

will notions of gender affect this? absolutely - i don’t dispute that.  i just think your notion of how to assess plausibility is silly given your choice of comparisons (hit girl vs. spiderman). i haven’t seen the movie, so i don’t have an opinion about hit girl’s plausibility in that fictive world, but the trailers suggest costumed vigilantes in our world, more or less.

to take a counterexample, i enjoy 24, and i also laugh about the fact that jack bauer is just two deep breaths and a side-clutch away from shrugging off getting stabbed, or shot, or tortured, or nerve gassed, and so on.

still, people that think “that’s plausibly badass of him” (and “torture is always the only answer”) are idiots, because he ostensibly lives in the same world we do.

Comment #46: ochlocrat  on  04/21  at  08:14 PM

Here’s the part I really don’t get. Why are people worried about young girls cussing when 11-year-old girls aren’t (or SHOULDN’T be) seeing this movie? It’s rated R!

(which, again, no middle-schooler will be able to attend anyway due to its rating).

Bwahahahahahaha!!!! That memo must be totally ignored not only by many theaters, but also parents who actually bring under-13 children, toddlers, and even babies to watch rated R movies or worse.  It also wasn’t unusual for young kids to not only sneak in to watch extremely violent bloody rated R movies like the Rambo trilogy, but also have parents bring them in….some as young as toddler and infants.  This parental abetting continues to the present when I see young children and even infants being brought into R or NC-17 rated movies. 

Also, there were also slightly older kids of 8 and up who regularly walked up to Times Square to sneak into the X-rated Porn theaters/peep shows when they were more prevalent back in the 1980’s. 

As many PMRC supporting parents found to their dismay, smacking on a “Parental Advisory” label or ratings supposedly barring kids or even teens from certain movies increases the enticement factor for those very kids and teens as the bans provide the allure of forbidden fruit….in addition to another platform with which to rebel against the parents…and the larger adult establishment….

Comment #47: exholt  on  04/21  at  08:40 PM

I really want to see this movie now. I would totally write fanfic about Hit Girl just from what I’ve read here.

It sounds fascinating.

On the other hand…...

I always enjoy when girl characters, well, kick ass. BUT, I would also like to see a movie where a woman does not have to be physically tough to be considered strong or interesting. I want to see empowerment of femininity, as being equal to all other forms of gender expression. The “women can be sort of boyish but boys can’t like girl things” attitude. But this is America, and America likes violence and action movies, and sometimes women can be involved in that. But I would enjoy seeing courage presented as something more than physical, something where women can be complex and multi-dimensional and NOT sex objects and NOT just involved in romance and NOT just as the occasional Buffy or Xena fighter. I think women characters like these might exist, and ironically I usually find them on crime shows along with the naked dead bodies of murdered prostitutes, but they’re rare. I’ve pretty much given up hope that the Bechdel test will normally be passed. ALL I ask for is three-dimensional women characters! Is that too much to ask? I guess so.

Straight white men still rule entertainment, and women are occasionally allowed to be sidekicks, and some movies toe the lines between gender expectations. But not nearly enough for me, I’m afraid.

God, I need to go read some Tamora Pierce and Neil Gaiman before I depress myself anymore.

Perhaps I’m just not aware of entertainment featuring well-developed female characters? Please, anyone who has suggestions of which shows/movies/books to look for would be showered with my adoration.

Comment #48: ArtOfMe  on  04/21  at  11:01 PM

Think it has less to do with intentional subversion or sneaking a female action hero in and more to do with the original comic book series. The graphic novel is much more the story of Kick-Ass, but it’s not really a story that would make an especially good movie. Which I’d bet whoever wrote the adaption quickly discovered. Combine that with the fact that Hit-Girl’s character and storyline is practically made for this sort of action movie, and it just doesn’t make sense not to shift her from being a foil to Kick-Ass to being the hero in her own right.

Comment #49: Sherm  on  04/22  at  05:37 AM

But no I mean, Spider-Man aside, a lot of people clearly give a pass to the non-Cyborg From The Future Ahnuld shooting the Predator with a minigun that should probably rip off his arms and break his spine as soon as he pulls the trigger, or watch Mel Gibson survive a thousand ‘flesh wounds’ and graphic, brutal torture that should all leave him emphatically dead. But those are idiotic in service of an existing stereotype, where Hit Girl contradicts it, so, yeah.

Comment #50: Dan  on  04/22  at  06:47 AM

Supervestite?

Comment #51: banisteriopsis  on  04/22  at  08:03 AM

Modern Hollywood has loads of ridiculous requirements other than having white male leads for most types of films (romance, “family”, and martial arts being three of the categories of “other”.)  But it also goes the other way, when the character of the Girlfriend is thrown into a film for no reason other than to provide eye candy or to bring actresses onto the set.

Some films are set in a world of men.  An independent film such as QT’s Reservoir Dogs got away with having one woman in it, a waitress, and her presence allowed for Steve Buscemi’s character to be a complete dick.  And that was kind of important.  But there was no girlfriend.

In a bigger, studio-made film such as Heat, there was The Girlfriend.  Actually, I think she was a wife of Val Kilmer’s character.  What purpose did she serve?  To show that gun-toting thieves sometimes had families?  To look longingly at Kilmer’s character as he goes off to do his manly-man stuff?  To bring tragedy to a movie in which people shoot each other and blow stuff up?  I guess so, but it’s bullshit.

Even Pearl Harbor had the nurse characters for some reason.  Why?  To show that the Americans got their asses handed to them in a surprise attack?  Didn’t all the Japanese dive bombers manage to get that across?  The Thin Red Line had a superfluous woman character who was on some Iowa farm doing some sort of moping and hoping montage thing.  I heard from a screenwriter friend that every plot needs a woman character or it can’t get made, and I’ve seen so many useless characters that I can believe it.  Tokenism sucks, not as bad as the fact that decent women’s roles are few and far between, and it’s not awful that women are getting work, but too many women’s roles resemble something in scale and importance to the film that in the 1940s they would have been listed as “Negro Train Porter”.

As for the design and purpose of the way Kick-Ass was put together, of course the makers knew that Hit Girl was the star of the film.  She’s much of the reason the protagonist questions himself, and she’s the reason he actually does what he does even after it all goes to shit for him.  Her character is vital for the movie, and the interview portion from Comment 38 above pretty much confirms that this dweeby character the movie is named for is a way to put her character into a world where she has the best effect.  Having a dork meet competent superheroes is better than competent superheroes meet a dork, or has everyone already forgotten the Superfriends and the Wondertwins (or, if you really want to go older school: Marvin, Whatshername, and the bulldog?)

Comment #52: 3letterjon  on  04/22  at  08:33 AM

Haven’t seen it yet, but this review talks about another aspect of heroism that a female other than Hit-Girl portrays:

“Screenwriter Jane Goldman expands the story’s thematic reach by making Katie a volunteer at a needle exchange; this addition quietly introduces a civic sensibility to contrast with Dave’s more flamboyant and self-serving gambit. Sitting at a grubby help desk, she may not be a viral sensation, but in truth she’s doing more good than he is, without expectation of reward or acknowledgment.”

Like I said, I haven’t seen it yet, so it could easily be a throwaway line and the reviewer could be shoehorning that part of the movie into his larger theme of civic responsibility vs. fame seeking.

Comment #53: NY Expat  on  04/22  at  03:08 PM

Supervestite is an excellent word, PIATOR.

Comment #54: Rebecca  on  04/22  at  06:26 PM

Supervestite is an excellent word, PIATOR.

Well, it’s an under-appreciated social problem.

Sure, it starts off innocently with the “Bam!” and the “Wallop!” and the “Holy Bat-stockings, Batman!”, but it always ends up with some giant tentacled vagina psychically wiping out New York City.  And that’s no fun at all.

So remember, kids, unless you have the ability to fight a locomotive to a draw, a back-story involving the *good* kind of mutation, and statistically improbable secondary sexual characteristics, you have no business being in spandex.  Just say no.

Comment #55: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  04/22  at  08:20 PM
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