Nice try, but that USA Today is just a buncha librul Commies hypnotised by Hussein Osama.

With charts!!

Nice try, but that USA Today is just a buncha librul Commies hypnotised by Hussein Osama.

EXACTLY.  I’ll wait to see what Scott Rasmussen has to say about this.  I’m sure the “strongly opposed” outnumber the “strongly support” by 2 to 1 or some such bullshit metric!

There is a minority of but not an insignificant part of the electorate that always wants to be on the winning side. Kind of like how everyone was a Bulls fan in the ‘90s.

Teabaggers outrage of the day - that Vice-President Biden said, “This is a big fuckin’ deal!” to Obama as he was hugging him during the bill signing.

Because teabaggers always keep their language dignified when they’re referring to black Congresspersons as “n—gers” or gay Congresspersons as “f—gots”.

And Biden’s use of the F-bomb is so much worse than when Darth Cheney told Sen. Leahy to “go fuck himself” on the Senate floor.

Until Joe Biden shoots a man in the face, he gets a pass from me.

It is a big fucking deal. If I was Vice President and thought the mic was off I would have said that or something similar.

I found his truthful comment endearing.

This is why the Republicans had to pull all their dirty tricks to try to kill this bill in congress. Repeal is not an option.

I found his truthful comment endearing.

Somebody is already selling “This is a big fucking deal!” t-shirts.

What a fuckin’ country.

I suspect those numbers started creeping up the moment it became clear that the Democrats were going to get it done. For me, that moment was when they set the 72 hour clock going, because no way do you start that without having 216 in the bag. Those votes might not have been publicly agreed to, but Pelosi and Obama had 216, or they don’t take the chance, I don’t think. And once it became inevitable, I bet the public started coming on board, because undecideds like being on the winning side of an issue.

I’m firmly in the belief that most polls that were done always had health care reform favored but it tended to lump those who felt it didn’t go far enough were put into the negative category.  Then again I agree with the others who mentioned that the second it was going to pass people stopped bitching and starting realizing the good legislation is going to pass.

Course, didn’t the tea party already establish that the Gannett corp is evil and only News Corp is good.  Very 1984 every time I think of “News Corp.”

I’m firmly in the belief that most polls that were done always had health care reform favored but it tended to lump those who felt it didn’t go far enough were put into the negative category.

Correct.  The final poll taken by CNN prior to passage of the bill showed 59% opposed… but when broken down further, it was only 43% opposed because they thought the bill was too liberal, with the remainder being opposed because they felt the bill wasn’t nearly liberal enough.

The majority has always favored HCR, but the bill became less popular among progressives as it got watered down, because they wanted it to go much further.  And while this is a great start for reforming healthcare in America, I think it needs to be viewed as a starting point, not an endpoint.

Teabaggers outrage of the day - that Vice-President Biden said, “This is a big fuckin’ deal!” to Obama as he was hugging him during the bill signing.

Because only a very very small minority in America ever use the f-word, of course.

Correct.  The final poll taken by CNN prior to passage of the bill showed 59% opposed… but when broken down further, it was only 43% opposed because they thought the bill was too liberal, with the remainder being opposed because they felt the bill wasn’t nearly liberal enough.

Yeah, I was reading that the whole time.  Only when republicans started making it a talking point did suddenly “america go against it!”  I find it just humorous that they can live in this bubble while the USA Today & the rest of the media can now go back to ignoring republicans.  Frankly I think now that the big insurance companies have stopped trying to plug up the media’s cracks with their wads of cash we’ll see the republican narrative slide back to just Fox and suddenly the democratic odds of winning in 2010 will start looking better again.

Gosh, how quickly they forgot about former vice-president Cheney and FuckYouGate. IOKIYAR!

I like Joe Biden. He’s a blowhard but an endearing one, kind of like your garrulous but beloved old grandfather, and he’s somehow a bit less phony than most Beltway inhabitants. So, all together now: Fuck yeah, Joe!

I’ve seen far more articles in the TM about what the bill actually does since it’s passed than I ever saw before it passed.  I wonder if the change in coverage has anything to do with Americans’ changed opinion of it.

I liked Biden’s comment.  This bill is far from perfect, but the more I learn about it, the more pleased I am.  I had very low expectations to begin with though.  Still, it really is a big fucking deal that if I cancer or some other expensive disease, my insurance company is now legally required to give me the coverage that I have paid for.  I’ll admit that I have been saving money just in case I ever need really expensive treatment and my insurance falls through, but it’s not realistic for me to several several hundred thousand dollars.  Now maybe I can spend some of the money I’ve saved and it will help stimulate the economy.  Of course I still need to save a little in case I need to switch insurance before 2014 and they don’t cover my pre-existing conditions, or if I switch to a plan that doesn’t cover abortion, but it’s a good start.

But I wonder how long it will take for someone on Fox News to reanalyze these poll results including only the Real Americans(TM), and then claim that the Only Americans Who Count(TM) don’t favor the bill.

People “opposed” to the bill who are on Medicare or FEHB are not actually opposed so much as confused.  So you have to take them into consideration when figuring out who supports health insurance reform.  I’ve thought all along that there was more support than not for “socialized medicine”, because the number of people on these two plans is huge.  And it wasn’t mandatory; they didn’t have to sign up with either one, if they could find something better.  However, they did sign up, thus supporting “socialized medicine”.

Catgirl, even if it was realistic to save several hundred thousand dollars, it’s amazing how fast you can run through that much if you’re really sick.  I had substantial savings, but a year of a mysterious and misdiagnosed illness plus several years of more conventional things wiped me out.  I had the great insurance (“the kind senators have”) but even the best insurance doesn’t cover everything.  The only reason I didn’t file bankruptcy is because I’m not sensible.  A sensible person would have.

People “opposed” to the bill who are on Medicare or FEHB are not actually opposed so much as confused.

I think it’s very true that many people who are opposed to it are really just misinformed, which should be no surprise when we have politicians lying about death panels.  I mentioned on another thread that I talked to a semi-random internet friend about it on Monday, and he was so mad because he thought his money would go to pay for elective abortions (which it should, but that’s a different story).  I was so shocked to find out that even though the Hyde amendment already prohibits that AND Democrats made sure to bend over backward to make extra super-duper sure that federal money wouldn’t pay for abortions, this seemingly rational early 20’s man was still completely ignorant of the reality of the bill.  I just mentioned the Hyde amendment and then he actually said, “well maybe this president has actually done something right”.  I think if more people just knew what’s actually in the bill, far fewer of them would actually oppose it.

What a fuckin’ country.

America, Fuck-Yeah!

But I wonder how long it will take for someone on Fox News to reanalyze these poll results including only the Real Americans(TM), and then claim that the Only Americans Who Count(TM) don’t favor the bill.

Right.  If you don’t count minorities or the coastal elites or people brainwashed by liberal college professors then I think you’ll find that America hates this bill.