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How can we cleanse our culture of racism?

Race

Surf over to read Bil Browning’s piece “Keeping whites and colors separate: The ‘U-Washee’” over at The Bilerico Project. The image at right is just one of several signs up at an Indiana laundromat.

Racism is ingrained in the Midwest; we’ve normalized it.  Take, for example, my earlier post on Tony Zirkle, the Hoosier Republican congressional candidate who spoke at a dinner honoring Hitler’s birthday.  (He also publicly advocated for racial segregation.)  Zirkle lost, of course, but the fact that he had no problem publicly stating his racism - without thinking that others would object - shows just how commonplace overt racism can be here.

One of the best examples is the “U-Washee” in Richmond, Indiana.  The laundromat is, literally, built on racist stereotypes of Chinese people and no one gives it a passing glance. It’s 1940’s era cartoon stereotype mascot, what Margaret Cho calls “feng shui hong kong fooey font,” and the extra “ee"s at the end of words in the business’s name and posted notices all combine to form one hellish timewarp into a past America most areas have forgotten but we tend to accept as typical - and no one utters a peep.

...The reader who sent in these photos described his encounter at the laundromat. While he was taking the pictures, another customer walked up to him to ask, “You’re not from around here, are you?” It wasn’t meant in a threatening manner, but more of a bemused “Well, this is Indiana…” general excuse.

Of course we saw plenty of racist imagery during the last election cycle— apparently none of the people who came up with this garbage had a second thought about whether it was offensive:

 

 

The election exposed what a sad state of affairs and denial our country is in when it comes to race. Don’t get me wrong—I never thought I’d live to see a black man elected POTUS, but I don’t think this sort of progress has changed minds like those of the proprietor of the Indiana laundromat, who didn’t think anyone might be offended by the Asian stereotypes hanging on the wall. The fact is there are parts of the country—and it’s not restricted to the boonies—where people of different races (and classes, for that matter), mingle socially. Because of anti-discrimination laws, most people today encounter and work with POC, but socially, not so much. Clearly if the owner of the laundromat was close friends with someone Asian, those signs wouldn’t be up there.

Part of Bil’s reference to “normalized” racism in the Midwest is due to the social divide; how many of you have truly diverse social circles?  It takes effort and desire to expand your life experience by being socially inclusive; quite frankly associating with people who are more like you than less like you is the default of the majority of us. Is it lazy? Yes, but obviously the path of least resistance is human nature. What disturbs me is the lack of curiosity I’ve seen in too many people; they don’t see learning about and learning from people from a different culture or race on a personal level has value for them. Staying in a comfort zone of homogeneity clearly has more value.

How do we own up to and fight our natural impulses in order to better ourselves—and our country? Can we rid society of the scourge of racism?

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Posted by Pam Spaulding on 10:49 PM • (50) Comments

Good post, Pam.

But can I call bullshit on the tarring of the entire Midwest? I suspect that great swaths of the South and the rural West have greater proportions of racists than, say, Chicago and other Midwestern cities. What, the white people in Wyoming and Mississippi have more diverse groups of friends and family than Chicagoans? Color me skeptical.

Comment #1: Orange  on  02/12  at  10:59 PM

You know, as ugly as some of the campaign stuff was, I honestly expected things to be uglier.

And the Midwest has no monopoly on racism. Just as the South doesn’t. It’s not just normalized in Indiana, it’s institutionalized nationally.  There was a letter in this week’s Globe that had me thinking we should rename the Southern Strategy the Southie Strategy.

Comment #2: MAJeff, the God of Biscuits  on  02/12  at  11:01 PM

I’ll tar the midwest.  Two words—Chief Wahoo.

Comment #3: nolo  on  02/12  at  11:11 PM

When I was viewing this post, the ad right above it was for Urban Outfitters. I know you can’t always control the automatic ads, but didn’t they have T-shirts with the same kinds of racial stereotypes on them until people protested?

Comment #4: Halfmad  on  02/12  at  11:19 PM

Then again, here in New York we had the crazy racist bakery owner who came out with “Drunken N***** Cookies” in honor of Obama’s inauguration, and of course couldn’t help raving about how Obama should be assassinated while in the process of trying to convince locals to buy said cookies. 

Of course, in that case, people were outraged—it made the evening news, and people who care about this sort of thing will probably remember Lafayette Bakery as “that bakery owned by the crazy racist dude” for a long time to come.

Comment #5: The Opoponax  on  02/12  at  11:35 PM

But can I call bullshit on the tarring of the entire Midwest?

From personal experience I know that some of the worst racism I’ve encountered was when I lived in NYC. There were whole neighborhoods you could get your head bashed in if you weren’t out by sundown.

Comment #6: Pam Spaulding  on  02/12  at  11:37 PM

At least that Indiana laundromat is a local thing. Remember that TV commercial for Calgon laundry detergent (“Ancient Chinese secret, huh?”) That was the only ad that could possibly compete with “Ring Around the Collar” for Most Obnoxious Laundry Soap Commercial.

Comment #7: Bitter Scribe  on  02/12  at  11:50 PM

When I was viewing this post, the ad right above it was for Urban Outfitters. I know you can’t always control the automatic ads, but didn’t they have T-shirts with the same kinds of racial stereotypes on them until people protested?

It wasn’t just Urban Outfitters. Abercrombie and Fitch had a line of offensive t-shirts that people protested not once, but twice. There are some online retailers that still replicate and sell those pulled designs. It’s shocking that two major retailers think that it’s appropriate to sell racist designs to young kids who then perpetuate the same racist ideas for another generation.

I’m still waiting for my “Everyone loves a black girl” shirt. I’m not holding my breath, though.

Comment #8: leftofemma  on  02/13  at  12:04 AM

A friend of mine was pretty offended when someone gave her the “Everyone loves a Jewish girl” shirt.  You know, the one with dollar signs on it…  I think the other friend thought it was a funny gag gift sort of thing, but it really didn’t go over well.

I don’t really understand why they make those shirts.

Comment #9: The Opoponax  on  02/13  at  12:07 AM

“I don’t really understand why they make those shirts. “

They think that somebody will buy it. It’s why any crap product gets made usually because the person behind it has their friends and family state that they would buy the product so everybody else should.

“I’m still waiting for my “Everyone loves a black girl” shirt. ”

http://www.cafepress.com/plentyotees/763114 ask and you shall receive .

Comment #10: tootiredoftheright  on  02/13  at  12:15 AM

I live in what would have been Tony Zirkle’s district, if he’d won.  He “had no problem stating his racism” not because he didn’t think anyone would object but because he is completely undeniably batshit insane.  He didn’t just “lose,” he was *crushed*, taking only sixteen percent of the vote in the Republican primary. 

Now, granted, that means that sixteen percent of this district’s Republicans thought it was okay to vote for a guy who spoke at a Hitler birthday party.  But everyone, and I mean EVERYONE else knew he was a crazy fuck.  I’m willing to believe I can find a similarly crazy fuck in every congressional district in America.

Comment #11: mblile  on  02/13  at  12:17 AM

Oh, I understand the whole “capitalism” aspect of why they make them.  I suppose what I really wonder is why people buy them.  Especially the more controversial ones.  Someone once gave me the “Everybody loves a N’Awlins girl” version, which is kind of OK because New Orleans is just a place, not an ethnicity or a religion.  Let alone a historically oppressed minority group. 

But really?  “Everybody Loves A Jewish Girl” ringed with dollar signs?  On what fucking planet is that OK?  In what fucking board meeting is the consensus “harmless fun!  everybody will definitely want this!”?  In what fucking focus group does everyone crow about how adorable the antisemitism is?

Comment #12: The Opoponax  on  02/13  at  12:20 AM

Note also that the Hitler birthday party was in Chicago, which is not in Indiana’s second congressional district.  grin

Comment #13: mblile  on  02/13  at  12:20 AM

I’m willing to believe I can find a similarly crazy fuck in every congressional district in America.

And maybe we could gather them together in one party, under some large umbrella of party unity, a “big tent” if you will.  We could call that party…oooh, it’s on the tip of my tongue…

Comment #14: Godless Heathen  on  02/13  at  12:33 AM

I grew up in Minnesota.  I encountered much more racism when I moved to Pennsylvania.

Just sayin’.

Comment #15: damnedyankee  on  02/13  at  12:36 AM

Ah well, at least Pekin High School changed its mascot.

Comment #16: gwangung  on  02/13  at  12:39 AM

Of course we saw plenty of racist imagery during the last election cycle— apparently none of the people who came up with this garbage had a second thought about whether it was offensive:

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I don’t think this sort of progress has changed minds like those of the proprietor of the Indiana laundromat, who didn’t think anyone might be offended by the Asian stereotypes hanging on the wall.

Of course they thought about whether someone would be offended. And they realized that people would. And they went ahead and did it. Because they think that being offended by something means you have no sense of humor. Or because they couldn’t stop a black man from being elected president but they damn sure didn’t have to respect him or the office in any way. Or because they have never heard anyone tell a white joke in their presence. Or because they are perpetual adolescents who get off on offending people. Or thinking they’re offending people.

Any number of reasons - no two people are exactly the same, and that goes for racists. But the point is, they totally DID think about whether they were offending someone, and they live in and/or choose a community (define that word how you will) in which offending people (or, probably more accurately, thinking you’re offending people) makes you cool.

Note also that the Hitler birthday party was in Chicago, which is not in Indiana’s second congressional district.

So does he get extra stoopid points for crossing district lines to speak at a Hitler birthday party that wasn’t even being thrown by people whose votes he was asking for?

Or is speaking at a Hitler birthday party so stupid that no bonus points are available?

Comment #17: RickMassimo  on  02/13  at  12:46 AM

Oh my gosh, gwangung, I went to Bradley (and grew up in Indiana) and the Pekin Dragons were the first thing I thought of when I read this post. I remember one of my classmates telling me about the change matter-of-factly, and he didn’t even get why it was weird. He understood why they’d changed - he thought it was to be politically correct. He honestly didn’t understand why the first mascot was offensive.

I’ll admit that casual out-in-the-open racism was more common in Indiana and Illinois that it is here in Oregon, but I find the hidden racism scarier, and I find the fact that Eugene is like 90% white scarier yet.

Comment #18: Av0gadro  on  02/13  at  01:19 AM

I’m an Asian Studies major and there’s something that seems to compel people, on the occasions this comes up in a conversation, to think that I’m just going to find it wonderfully funny and clever if they start talking at me in the horrendous mishmash of stereotypical sounds that they think resembles the Chinese language.  (Or Japanese, most of them don’t know the damn difference.)

My Art Professor in college told a joke to the class about an Asian tourist she met in Russia. Everyone but me just laughed it up. It was an amusing exchange and would have been funny as-is, but the prof delivered the dude’s lines in a thick stereotypical accent. Just. Why?!

I have taken to just freezing my face into the most *un*amused expression I can muster, and just telling them ‘you know, that’s not funny.’  When people pull this stuff when I’m around. So far, they just get upset with me and tell me I can’t take a joke. I do worry that maybe I am over-reacting, but after studying the language for years and living in Japan, I just can’t deal with “har-har, look how dumb those people talk!”

Comment #19: Cactuar  on  02/13  at  01:20 AM

Remember that TV commercial for Calgon laundry detergent (“Ancient Chinese secret, huh?”) That was the only ad that could possibly compete with “Ring Around the Collar” for Most Obnoxious Laundry Soap Commercial.

I’ve thought about this commercial from time to time, and wasn’t it turning the racist trope on its head?  The guy pretends to embody the stereotype, thinking it will be good for business, and then the wife spills the beans: they’re just like everybody else.

From personal experience I know that some of the worst racism I’ve encountered was when I lived in NYC. There were whole neighborhoods you could get your head bashed in if you weren’t out by sundown.

Just this last spring, I went to my 20th year reunion at Hunter College High School (our motto:  “We may be on Park Avenue, but we’re not Old Money or New Money - we’re No Money.”  Don’t even think of using that, Goldman Sachs, or we’ll sue!).  I heard story after story from classmates about where they couldn’t go while they were students in the mid ‘80s.  I wasn’t from an economically priviliged background, but we lived on the Upper East Side in a rent controlled apartment, so I had no fucking idea.

I’ve lived in Chicago since 1988 when I came here for college, and it’s miles better than it used to be (I remember getting off a bus at 55th and Kedzie and realizing that everyone in the neighborhood was white), so yeah, tarring the entire Midwest with Indiana’s hangups is too broad-brushed (I haven’t exactly done a study, but it seems like the Chicago - Twin Cities corridor is pretty progressive).  However, I think Pam’s point about expanding social circles is spot on, and I remember it being much easier to bridge that gap growing up in NYC than it is here in Chicago.  Part of that could be that it’s easier to mingle when you’re younger, thanks to school integration, but I suspect there are other differences as well.

One that comes to mind (and please, provide thoughtful input) is that different social groups in NYC seem to have accents closer to one another than different social groups here in Chicago (or the middle class in NYC is more diverse).  I’m pretty sure Pam has mentioned in the past how some people assume she’s white when the speak with her on the phone, and I think that phenomenon is more prevalent in NYC than elsewhere.  It’s not hard to see how sharing a dialect would make it easier to mingle.  Whereas in Chicago, it seems like many blacks have retained a hint of a Southern accent.  Considering the level of ghettoization here, that’s not surprising, but I think it causes a level of discomfort that isn’t easy to overcome (and yes, I’m absolutely guilty of this).

Despite the natural inclination to be lazy, that discomfort can’t be allowed as an excuse.  It’s kind of like the DLC response to the shrinking manufacturing base:  “We’ll just make sure everyone gets a college degree, and then everyone will be upper middle class just like us!”  Um, no.  As despair.com put it in their poster of a serving of fries: “Not Everyone Gets To Be An Astronaut.”  Simply wishing people were more like you isn’t a very good solution.

(Actually, I shouldn’t speak for NYC with respect to how well integrated it is, I just know that pretty much wherever I am there, I see a lot of diversity.  In Chicago, the most diversity I’ve seen is at the Ikea in Schaumburg, which is progress of some sort, I guess.)

Comment #20: NY Expat  on  02/13  at  01:22 AM

I’ve thought about this commercial from time to time, and wasn’t it turning the racist trope on its head?

Yes, in that it was the Chinese proprietor who was pulling one over on the nako ney or white devils:

1.    white devil     206 up, 59 down love ithate it
 
A word used by the Chinese to refer to Caucasians, particularly from the aspect of the skin tone. Comes from the words “Guai” (Ghost/devil/spirit) and “Lo” (Man) or “Pak” (White) and “Guai”.
Its funny watching the white devils suffer after trying out our local curry…

I can tell you Mother Avengers’ approach tofighting racism:  Don’t pass it on to your children. 

It wasn’t until I was an adult, years after she passed away, that a cousin of mine told her how Chinese think of Koreans as “yellow n-words”, so she at least realized that her irrational instilled prejudices didn’t have to be passed on to my siblings and I.

Comment #21: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  02/13  at  01:33 AM

I have taken to just freezing my face into the most *un*amused expression I can muster, and just telling them ‘you know, that’s not funny.’ When people pull this stuff when I’m around. So far, they just get upset with me and tell me I can’t take a joke.

I just shrug and go “Yeah, whatever.” It may sound insufficiently strong, but leaving the joke-teller laughing harder than the joke-listener works really well. Gets the other listeners thinking without directly indicting them either.

Comment #22: RickMassimo  on  02/13  at  01:51 AM

I can tell you Mother Avengers’ approach tofighting racism:  Don’t pass it on to your children.

It wasn’t until I was an adult, years after she passed away, that a cousin of mine told her how Chinese think of Koreans as “yellow n-words”, so she at least realized that her irrational instilled prejudices didn’t have to be passed on to my siblings and I.

Rhetorically, I wonder how much of that had to do with the fact Korea used to be a suzerain Kingdom under the Chinese imperial aegis…..

Comment #23: exholt  on  02/13  at  03:59 AM

Living in the Mid-West, it seems not a week goes by in which I don’t hear the phrase, “Jew ‘em down,” in reference to the purchase of a car, motorcycle, or other large ticket item. And I believe most people use this phrase without consciously recognizing the Shylock stereotype behind it.

Comment #24: BobbyV  on  02/13  at  08:38 AM

“Jew ‘em down,”

People actually say that out in public? I haven’t heard that sh*t once down here in NC, and it’s not because we don’t have a visible Jewish community here. That is over the top.

Comment #25: Pam Spaulding  on  02/13  at  10:33 AM

I will tell you where I encountered the most racism, but only if it definitively settles the question of where one encounters the most racism.

Comment #26: norbizness  on  02/13  at  10:38 AM

<blockquote>Jew ‘em down,”blockquote

People actually say that out in public? I haven’t heard that sh*t once down here in NC, and it’s not because we don’t have a visible Jewish community here. That is over the top.

It’s rare but I’ve heard it pretty much throughout lower new england. Usually from preppy types—antisemitism seems to be an affectation of the upper classes (or a way of expressing power).

I think that power relations may be at least as important here as the ethnic stereotyping itself. No one I know (ahem) complains about Scotch Tape, but they might get their Irish up about being called a welsher or accused of gypping someone.

Comment #27: paul  on  02/13  at  11:49 AM

Koreans don’t think much of Japanese, either.  Not after the still-in-living-memory conquests of the last century.  When graduate students get thrown together in a small office (or pitchers in a small locker room), it can get interesting.  All parties know that they are expected to behave and that many Americans think they are all alike, but the historical rifts are just under the surface like so many fault lines.

Comment #28: Ms Kate  on  02/13  at  12:12 PM

KI believe most people use this phrase without consciously recognizing the Shylock stereotype behind it.

Not Shylock, but the high value that Semitic cultures in general place on haggling.

Comment #29: Ms Kate  on  02/13  at  12:15 PM

Jew ‘em down

We just heard this in a “don’t do this shit” corporate training video a few months back. The phrase was used in the skit of how NOT to talk, and then the good employee has a nice conversation with the bad employee and the bad employee has a moment of understanding and becomes a better person.

I’m pleased to report that at least half of us (most of us native or near-native Texans, including myself) had never even heard the expression before and had to actually take time to figure it out because it sounded like such an odd, stupid phrase. Although one of the guys who had never heard it before thought it was quite funny and is using it now as a joke. But other than that, yeah, it was a nice day.

Comment #30: Essie Elephant  on  02/13  at  12:16 PM

I know that some of the worst racism I’ve encountered was when I lived in NYC.

That was why I really wasn’t surprised at the NYC baker making racist cookies on inauguration day. For all the supposed diversity of NYC, everyone’s racial/ethnic/social circles are extremely tight-knit and isolated and people say the most ridiculously racist things because no one stops them. There are communities that have been able to harbor racial prejudices for generations and allow them to fester.

And, no, I don’t think it ever occurred to anyone who runs the Indiana laundromat that anyone would be offended by the signs. They probably didn’t give it any more thought than they would when using the expression “to welsh on a bargain.”

Comment #31: Tyro  on  02/13  at  12:54 PM

Must call bullshit on your bullshit call, Orange. I lived in Eastern Iowa for a dozen years and with the exception of the immediate neighborhood of the University of Iowa it was one of the most racist & generally intolerant places I’ve ever been (and I live in coastal SC now). I got hostile stares in local bars and restaurants for being a darker-skinned white person. I got threats of beating and fag-baiting calls for having shoulder-length hair. And this was in 1995, in Iowa City. Women friends of mine got routinely threatened with violence for “looking like dykes”.

So please, spare us your defense of the midwest. My first suggestion to eliminate bigotry in this country is to end once and for fucking all the “Heartland” trope: that white people who live in small towns between the Appalachians and the Sierras are just the bestest, nicest folks around. Now THAT is bullshit.

Comment #32: wapsie  on  02/13  at  12:54 PM

Remember that TV commercial for Calgon laundry detergent (“Ancient Chinese secret, huh?”) That was the only ad that could possibly compete with “Ring Around the Collar” for Most Obnoxious Laundry Soap Commercial.

As a kid I saw a dish soap commercial featuring a black couple (yay progress) that I think was part of the “I can see myself in these dishes” campaign. The obnoxious part came at the end, when the (husband, I think) looks at his reflection in the plate and says, “Beautiful shine.”

That’s one handsome N-word, baby!

Jew ‘em down

Lately I’ve heard “Chew them down.” Which hopefully offends only the Chewish.

Comment #33: Hector B.  on  02/13  at  01:03 PM

Wapsie, let me de-bullshit your bullshitting of my supposed bullshit. I live in Uptown, the most diverse neighborhood in Chicago. Sure, there are some racist folks around who think and say appalling things, and many people pretty much stick with “their own kind” for friends and family, but for the most part people get along. The Midwest ain’t just small-town Iowa—it’s also Chicago, the Twin Cities, Madison and Milwaukee, Detroit, St. Louis, and Kansas City. City folks are real Americans too, Palin be damned.

I will admit to being a little frightened of those 95%+ white small towns throughout the country. When my husband and I drove to Utah with his sister and her husband—two white/Asian couples—we were all nervous about stopping for gas in such towns. Surely we were at little actual risk of bashing or overt racist comments (some of those small-town folks really are nice), but we were antsy all the same. My husband and I are glad to be raising our son in the city (public schools and all) rather than the ‘burbs and would never, ever want to live in a small town.

Comment #34: Orange  on  02/13  at  01:24 PM

Ying’s Chinee Takee Outee was (and according to this site, still is) an actual chain of restaurants in Jacksonville, Florida, where I grew up. It baffled me then, and I’m astonished it still exists now.

Comment #35: mothworm  on  02/13  at  01:34 PM

between the Appalachians and the <strike>Sierras</strike> California Coast Ranges

fixed that for you.

Comment #36: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  02/13  at  01:49 PM

The Midwest ain’t just small-town Iowa—it’s also Chicago, the Twin Cities, Madison and Milwaukee, Detroit, St. Louis, and Kansas City.

Just as The Northeast ain’t just big city Boston/NY/Philly/DC sprawlopolis - there are plenty of small-town crazy racists in blue states.

It seems like an urban/rural divide more than a regional one, to me.

Comment #37: The Opoponax  on  02/13  at  02:55 PM

Opoponax:

Given what people have said about, say, New York City, it’s probably not exactly urban/rural. More about being a villager vs being a cosmpolitan. Where villagers only talk to the same tiny bunch of people. (Although even that is complicated, because if your village is diverse…)

Comment #38: paul  on  02/13  at  03:15 PM

Aaaaaand the place where I heard the n-word flung around most freely as an insult was in South Philly.  Sadly, racism is not regional or necessarily rural/urban.

If I’m not mistaken the “Obama Bucks” were distributed by a Republican Party official in California.

So we could list some anecdata all day and, as norbizness says:

I will tell you where I encountered the most racism, but only if it definitively settles the question of where one encounters the most racism.

Comment #39: pennylane  on  02/13  at  03:23 PM

I realize that I am simply restating what others have gone into more elaborate detail in this thread, however, I feel it needs to be emphasized.

Racism (or heterocentrism, class bias, gender bias) cannot be parceled off into neat geographic delineations. I do not want to discount anyone’s personal experience but just remind people that what you see is not always what you get when it comes to the ways social inequalities are perpetuated and reinforced.

Racism, the type that affects the way people vote (or don’t), the way the hire (or don’t) and what they pass on to friends, family and associates exists (and is still flourishing) throughout America.

I have heard horrible racist “jokes” at parties with self-avowed lefties in my home state of California. The old wheeze “Just kidding” or “Why can’t you take a joke?” masks deeply ingrained racial (and other) bias and assumptions and is not always apparent in public spaces.

As to how to fight it: everywhere and anywhere. While recognizing that there are differing levels of personal risk to self, to jobs, to relationships I think kicking yourself out of a comfort zone and being confrontational about racist speech is a good place to start.

Comment #40: HooksInMyHead  on  02/13  at  03:43 PM

Sadly, racism is not regional or necessarily rural/urban.

In my experience, having lived in both rural and urban areas, there really is a difference. 

In my small hometown, racism is virtually hegemonic.  People feel free to be as openly racist as they want, and when even the deepest insider questions the appropriateness of this, it’s the egalitarian who is shamed.  Visiting home often feels like going through the looking glass, where up is down, left is right, and bigotry is a virtue. 

On the other hand, while you will find isolated pockets of racism in big cities, it’s often noticed and called out as inappropriate, and at the very least, the speaker usually knows that racism is a bad thing they don’t want to be accused of.  If a baker in Slidell, Louisiana, came up with Drunken N***** Cookies, nobody would comment, and they’d probably sell like hotcakes.  A baker in New York City who does this ends up on the evening news.

Comment #41: The Opoponax  on  02/13  at  04:04 PM

A baker in New York City who does this ends up on the evening news.

yes, but only because his shop is in downtown Manhattan. If he kept his idea to the outer boroughs where he probably lives, we probably wouldn’t have heard of it.

Urban racism means that the pockets that people are free to exchange their racist ideas in are geographically smaller than they are in rural areas.  The retail stock broker from Queens might live in a neighborhood where he feels free to use racial epithets and complain to his family about other racists, but once he arrives at his job in Manhattan, he’s going to quickly run afoul of HR’s harrassment policies if he keeps it up.

Comment #42: Tyro  on  02/13  at  04:39 PM

“while you will find isolated pockets of racism in big cities”

Said pockets are those who usually grow up in the neighborhood and never really traveled outside it. Big cities once they reach a certain size basically become a hub of small towns or were small towns for a while before merging with the bigger city.

Comment #43: tootiredoftheright  on  02/13  at  04:41 PM

I don’t know if that’s entirely the case, Tyro.  From what I’ve heard the world of high finance can be a pretty virulently misogynist, racist, and heterosexist world. And pretty openly so.

Comment #44: pennylane  on  02/13  at  04:50 PM

From what I’ve heard the world of high finance can be a pretty virulently misogynist, racist, and heterosexist world. And pretty openly so.

True. Fair point.

I guess I was trying to come up with the kind of job that would take someone from his outer borough neighborhood to a white collar job in Manhattan, and I thought, “retail stock broker!” not realizing that this was probably a pretty bad example.

Comment #45: Tyro  on  02/13  at  05:01 PM

If he kept his idea to the outer boroughs where he probably lives, we probably wouldn’t have heard of it.

Said pockets are those who usually grow up in the neighborhood and never really traveled outside it.

Exactly.  Racism positively thrives in the hinterlands, whether that’s Bumblefuck, Ohio, population 1500, or an insular backwater “urban” neighborhood like Sheepshead Bay, Queens.  The more likely you are to have to actually come into a city and interact regularly with people who might be different from you, the less likely you are to be openly and unapologetically racist.

I’m extremely serious when I say that in my hometown, people are 100% out in the open about racism.  There is no “just kidding, geez…” or “I have black friends!”  People do not censor their racism in the workplace, or even around people of color.  I once lectured my brother about casually throwing around the N word.  He replied that his one black friend has no problem with it.  This is racism on a whole different level than the “I’m not a racist, but…” sort of stuff you hear in even the most racist parts of NYC.

I’m not saying racism doesn’t exist in cities, but it manifests really, really differently than it does in rural areas.  And, yes, sometimes it’s hard to get really worked up about “Asian restaurants are really unsanitary” when you grew up with “black people are innately inferior to white people, and I get sick and tired of those namby pamby PC police who insist it’s not true.”

Comment #46: The Opoponax  on  02/13  at  05:52 PM

My own experience does not necessarily match your observations, Opoponax, and I have had a lot of really frustrating conversations in urban settings about Pam’s question—how can we cleanse our culture of racism—that wound up projecting racism onto those other people from those other places.  Not OUR problem. 

And perhaps one of the most grotesque examples I can think about is the sister of one of my colleagues who works for a very large investment firm in San Francisco who was teased mercilessly by her co-workers (all white males) about voting for Obama.  Their jokes got increasingly crude about her desire for his big black cock and often played on Asian stereotypes (she’s Chinese-American).

Comment #47: pennylane  on  02/13  at  07:51 PM

Again, I’m not at all saying that racism doesn’t exist in big cities.  Just that it gets noticed and called out, and even the perpetrators of racism generally agree that racism is bad, they just don’t think what they said/did was racist. 

Compare this to the small town where I grew up, where my stepfather actually once asked me, as an anthropology major, why I thought black people were so inferior to white people, I mean is it just biology or maybe something to do with being animalistic savages living in the jungle so recently, or what?  Anytime I call someone out for saying/doing something racist back home, it gets turned around on me - usually the gist is that now that I live up north, I’ve forgotten how stupid/lazy/inept/disgusting black people are.

Comment #48: The Opoponax  on  02/14  at  01:42 AM

(If anyone’s still reading this thread…)

The Midwest ain’t just small-town Iowa—it’s also Chicago, the Twin Cities, Madison and Milwaukee, Detroit, St. Louis, and Kansas City.

The South is also New Orleans, Atlanta, and Miami.  All of which have had racial tension, just like Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, New York City, Boston, Los Angeles, Denver, and Phoenix.  What’s the point?

It seems like an urban/rural divide more than a regional one, to me. <i>

Close.  I think it’s more a class divide.  (FWIW, I was born in VA, grew up in FL, lived for several years in MI, OH, IN.  Also CA, and now NV.)

In the South I knew, overt racism was a sign of being low-class.  Not that the middle or upper classes were less racist, but they knew enough to be subtle about it.  Lots of dog-whistles, in other words.  I was fairly shocked by the overt racist language I heard from all sorts of people when I moved to Michigan. 

I think the South’s recent history of bloody confrontation with its own racist society has something to do with it.  Even if some, or even many, people retain their racist beliefs, they’re mostly all too aware of the dangers inherent in its expression.  People can, and have been, killed over that shit.

There is no regional difference in racist beliefs, in my experience.  There are only marginal differences in the manner of its expression.  And which group is its primary target.  You don’t want to be latin@ in Phoenix under Sheriff Joe these days.

You want to know which part of the US is most racist?  It’s the area bordered by the Pacific and Atlantic oceans, between Canada and Mexico.  Plus Alaska and Hawaii.

<i>Everyone but me just laughed it up. It was an amusing exchange and would have been funny as-is, but the prof delivered the dude’s lines in a thick stereotypical accent. Just. Why?!

As for making fun of people’s accents- yeah, it’s cheap laughs at a group’s expense and surely is an expression of bigotry.  But to nitpick, I don’t think it qualifies as racism.  We mock British accents all the time. 

Why do we do it?  Because it’s funny, if insensitive and crude, like a pie in the face.  It’s the incongruity of hearing familiar words spoken in unfamiliar ways.  We all mock each other’s regional accents- as does every other country.  Tokyoites mock the accent of Osaka; both scoff at Okinawans. 

Classist?  Yes.  Bigoted?  Definitely.  Nationalist? You betcha.  Racist?  I’m not so sure.

The British have this down to an artform unto itself; see G.B. Shaw’s entire body of work.  Reminds me of the running gag in the movie “Snatch”: Brad Pitt’s character, the Tinker prizefighter, had an accent so thick nobody outside his immediate family had any idea what he was saying at any time.  I guess it does reflect anti-tinker prejudice in the British, but we Americans still found it pretty funny even though we don’t even have a clue who the tinkers are.

They probably didn’t give it any more thought than they would when using the expression “to welsh on a bargain.”

Is that like indian-giving?  It’s insidious how bigotry, whether racist or nationalist or classist, creeps into everyday language, isn’t it? 

Here’s a wierd example: I was walking with a Japanese woman in Tokyo when we passed an adult store.  She pointed and laughed at the blow-up doll in the window and called it a “Dutch wife.”  I cracked up and asked where the hell she’d heard that?  From an Englishman.

Comment #49: Chocolate Covered Cotton  on  02/15  at  11:13 PM

Oops, misplaced italics tag, didn’t close it… preview is your friend.  Everything from the word “Close” is me.  The previous sentence was Opoponax.

But back to the original post from Pam:

It takes effort and desire to expand your life experience by being socially inclusive; quite frankly associating with people who are more like you than less like you is the default of the majority of us. Is it lazy? Yes, but obviously the path of least resistance is human nature. What disturbs me is the lack of curiosity I’ve seen in too many people; they don’t see learning about and learning from people from a different culture or race on a personal level has value for them.

This is the crux of the problem, isn’t it?  The path of least resistance. 

Personally, I don’t have many non-white friends- but then, I don’t have a lot of friends anyway.  I’d say about a quarter of the people I consider friends aren’t white- a few African-American, a few asian (from different countries, including US), a few hispanic (ditto).  I didn’t seek them out.  It wasn’t a deliberate effort to cultivate friendships with other cultures and races.  It was just a few conversations struck up with people I’ve met in classes or at the coffee shop where I hang that turned into casual friendships and occasionally close freindships. 

I guess that’s a class thing- I’m a student, so most of the people I hang out with (when I hang out at all) are also students or college graduates.  When I was a blue-collar working stiff, I worked with people of other races but rarely socialized beyond a beer or four after work.  Even in the Navy, which probably was the most racially-and-nationally-mixed environment I’ve lived in since leaving Miami, people generally hung out with their own color on their own time.

I don’t have an answer.  Just agreeing with your observation and hypothesis of path-of-least-resistance laziness.

You’re right about the lack of curiosity, too.  It’s fed by anti-intellectualism, I think.  There’s this general lack of curiosity about anything different from what people already know.  Know-nothingism is as old as America, but it does seem like it’s been on the rise in my lifetime. 

There’s another thing going on too.  Being curious about another culture, learning about it, being interested in it, or as you put it, seeing something valuable to be gained from understanding it, is one thing.  Cultivating actual personal relationships without committing a different kind of social error is another.  Haven’t we all seen the comic stereotype of the well-meaning but clueless whitey liberal trying too hard to be friends with the folks and just looking like an asshole?  That’s a staple of black humor, one of the oldest jokes in the book.  As a white guy, I can tell you that I don’t ever want to be seen as that guy.

In other words, groups themselves tend to be insular and reject others’ attempts to join them.  It’s another form of social pressure to stick with your own kind.  So we all get pushed from the direction we want to go and pulled towards where we don’t want to be.

I know, it kind of sounds like the newly-minted pro-feminist dude who wanders onto a radfem blog and asks how can he help or worse, whines that he doesn’t feel welcome there.  I guess the answer is the same: shut up and listen.  It isn’t all about you. You don’t have to lead, just don’t get in the way. 

Seems inadequate to me as a means of confronting racism though.  Totally passive.  All Thoreau, no King.  Path of least resistance indeed.  Good advice for getting by, but ineffective to the goal of actually ending racism.

I don’t have any answers, just rambling thoughts.  Great post, again.  Thanks.

Comment #50: Chocolate Covered Cotton  on  02/16  at  12:04 AM
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