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How covering up for abuse is sadly common

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With all this feminist discussion as of late—-and because I live in a brand new state with brand new politicians—-I’d be remiss in not talking about this David Paterson situation. Seems the trade-off is between governors who do their evil at home and those who inflict it on their constituents, as is the tradition in Texas, at least since we gave up Ann Richards.  As a constituent, I prefer the former, of course.  As a feminist, I must weigh in on this scandal, and why domestic violence and the aiding of it isn’t really a “personal” issue at all.

The NY Times has been building the case against Paterson for awhile now, and the latest tip off can be read here.  If Gov. Paterson did pressure a girlfriend of one of his aides to drop charges of domestic assault against her, then he’s done something very serious indeed.  Of course, what he did is also excruciatingly common, far more common than situations where a man beats his wife or girlfriend and faces actual consequences with his friends—-which is what Paterson was to the accused, as well as his employer.  What I want from this whole sordid situation is for people to understand that what happened is so common as to be mundane, and to start thinking about what it would take to really address domestic violence. I suggest that we start by considering it truly awful to beat a woman.  The dirty little secret of the Paterson situation is he reacted like many and I’d guess most people that know a man who beats his partner do—-by backing up the man, and blaming the woman if she makes a fuss.  It’s one of those many male privileges you hear so much about. 

Do people back up abusers and pressure victims to shut up and behave because they love wife-beating?  No.  It works the same way as rape.  They just define what their friend did as somehow not the behavior in question.  Real wife-beating looks like X, they tell themselves, and this looked like Y.  If a victim cried too hard, protected herself, or yelled at the abuser during one of his rages, then they chalk it up to “fighting” and blame her as much if not more, even if she was actually cowering below his fists.  With that in mind, let’s look at the information the NY Times gathered.

In an interview with The New York Times, the governor had characterized the fight as being “like breakups you hear about all the time.”

What are the actual accusations, though?

Mr. Johnson’s girlfriend had accused him of choking her, smashing her into a mirrored dresser and preventing her from calling for help during a Halloween altercation in the Bronx apartment they shared.

Well, yes, you do hear about those all the time.  Domestic violence happens all the time, sadly. But what we can say is that if the accusations are true, then Paterson is a classic enabler, minimizing the abuse and using common tropes to do it.

Why does this happen?  From the literature on domestic violence I’ve read and people in the know I’ve talked to, the reason is as simple as it is depressing: In most cases, the people in the couple’s social network like the abuser more.  You know how you know couples and you like one more than the other, and it’s because you either know them better or find them more charming?  Abusers deliberately set out to create that impression in their friends’ minds. First of all, abusers can be very charming, and in lieu of that, they can make themselves indispensable.  (That’s how they got their victims to commit, after all!)  Second of all, abusers find excuses to separate victims from their friends and family, not letting victims socialize much (and blaming them to others for being shy when asked about it, making people like the victim less), or letting her only socialize on his terms.  This strategy can be implemented pretty subtly—-making it so miserable for her when she sees her friends through complaints that she starts to roll back on those relationships, poisoning her against her friends, or even moving her away from her support system.  Abusers exploit sexism, notably the sexist belief that men are fun-loving guys while women are nagging bitches.  And the abuse itself also helps.  Abusers can be glowing with power after they’ve forced a woman to submit, but she will be tired and depressed.  Glowing people are more fun to be around than depressives, and so he gets more points against her.  When the abuse finally comes out, their social network is ready to turn on her. 

What Paterson purportedly did is super-duper common.  But that it’s common is all the more reason for the public outcry to be strong, and for him to resign.  The only way to start taking domestic violence seriously is for people to, you know, actually take it seriously. And to start blaming wife-beaters, instead of making excuses for them or finding ways to discredit or intimidate their victims when they finally speak out.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 11:12 AM • (40) Comments

Real wife-beating looks like X, they tell themselves, and this looked like Y.

This is an equation, I think, progressives can use under so many circumstances.  As you said, we can easily replace “wife-beating” with “rape”; I would definitely add “bullying” and “workplace sexual harassment” to the rotary, too.  This is exactly the response I got from a harasser I dealt with recently. Because our professional relationship was virtual (writing for the same review site—one I no longer write for now), it was Not Real Harassment when he asked me for titty photos at the conclusion of a professional, entirely non-sexual email conversation about article collaboration.

That shit’s epidemic, and I think you’re right to underscore it as an implicit part of the larger problem of forms of abuse, community reaction, and reportage.

Comment #1: Ranylt  on  03/03  at  12:30 PM

Damn. Gov. Patterson is my Governour, and I’ve been a supporter of him since he came in. He’s has shown more chutzpah then any other Democrat by making some unpopular decisions to fix the budget disaster we are facing. You summed up the attitude that many people hold about women and violence still. (I hate the term domestic violence.)

Comment #2: pitbullgirl65  on  03/03  at  12:48 PM

Idiotic for Paterson all the way around. He should have dropped the guy immediately after he assaulted his girlfriend. A court order of protection would have been a wakeup call for the abuser—why would Paterson shield him from the consequences of his bad acts? Especially considering that the girlfriend had already been to court twice; covering up was no longer possible.

Comment #3: Hector B.  on  03/03  at  12:50 PM

I don’t know what NY state laws look like, but hopefully someone is going to try to make a case for witness tampering against the governor.

Comment #4: Safron  on  03/03  at  01:09 PM

It’s so common, though, that part of me is asking “why Paterson?”.

Comment #5: paul  on  03/03  at  01:13 PM

Honestly, a big part of it is that it’s New York.  The NY Times has a lot more resources to dig this sort of thing up, and politicians here are a lot more likely to be exposed.

Comment #6: Amanda Marcotte  on  03/03  at  01:17 PM

Idiotic for Paterson all the way around. He should have dropped the guy immediately after he assaulted his girlfriend.

That’s not the way it works in political circles—the thuggish aide likely banked a lot of favours with Paterson over the years, and called them all in when he wanted to avoid the consequences of the wakeup call. The favour bank is a CYA way to make oneself “charming and indispensible” (per Amanda) when the going gets tough and one needs to call in chips from powerful “friends.” Don’t get me wrong—it sucks big-time. But that’s how political patronage works, especially in places like Albany.

Paterson’s real screw-up was that political classic, hubris: first, in thinking that something this heinous could be covered up; and when caught having the arrogance to assume that the public would swallow a brutal beating as a typical component of “breakups you hear about all the time.” That last should be grounds for resignation in my book.

As pitbullgirl65 says, it’s a shame, because Paterson was otherwise shaping up to be a pretty effective replacement for Spitzer.

It’s so common, though, that part of me is asking “why Paterson?”

When the Republicans get even a whiff of a potential Democratic scandal, they’re masters at making sure it gets the exposure it deserves. Paterson is the governor of NY—why wouldn’t they look for dirt on him?

As usual, the Dems aren’t so good at capitalising on opponents’ wrongdoing. For example, a scumbag like Joe Bruno has his fingers in all sorts of corrupt pies for more than a decade, but the nice polite Dems let it fester so that the system could work it out.

Comment #7: Gracchus.  on  03/03  at  01:27 PM

It’s also the “not my nigel” effect. You don’t want to think ill of one’s buddy or role model or admit anything horrible about them because what does that say about them. How could someone laugh along with, think really well of, someone who does something horrible? What does it say about me that I didn’t see it or notice any warning signs? What does it say about me that I was friends with someone, gave advice, was a comforting shoulder to someone who all that time did horrible acts to someone else.

Much easier to invent justifications, downplay the weight of the crimes, see them as lesser or insignificant, all to protect someone from having to face those unbidden questions.

Of course, the thing is, that we really haven’t gotten to really understand that a lot of evil doesn’t really advertise itself as evil and especially on the mostly superficial way we interact with many friends doesn’t really give a clear picture to how they are all the time. There can be some warning signs in that this behavior doesn’t often come in the absence of misogyny, but by cultural standards it is easy for someone to be “normal” while being horrible.

But sadly, people are afraid of all that, so they get sucked into a really easy evil just to avoid having to think of themselves as tangentally related to evil. Of course, that just makes one more evil, but then humans don’t really think these things through.

Comment #8: Cerberus  on  03/03  at  01:32 PM

There is also the “I know the abuser, but not the abused” coupled with “I know this guy and he wouldn’t do that, so even if he did that there must be some REASON he did that or he didn’t REALLY do that ...”

This is also how bullies get sheltered by school systems and employers.

Comment #9: Ms Kate  on  03/03  at  01:36 PM

Note also that, while Paterson is both black and blind, he has been sheltered most of his life by a whopping helping of political and economic privilege.

Comment #10: Ms Kate  on  03/03  at  01:38 PM

That last paragraph *is* very depressing—and eye-opening. It shows that we will give a pass to anyone who is more likeable—and I think abusers and manipulators know this to the core, that a multitude of their sins will be overlooked if they just turn on the charm.

American society is very harsh on its “unlikeables”—just ask any middle-aged job seeker competing with a host of fresh-faced, glowing, malleable youngsters, or the victim in your scenario above. I think the studies showing good-looking people make more money and married people are healthier, are really about likeability—good looks are socially attractive; and happy marriage is both stable social support, and proof of social prowess.
And nearly two decades of research showing a link between social support and health and happiness may be factual, but it certainly doesn’t help. I worried from the minute that research came out, that we’d become a society willing to overlook the worst of people’s characters if they were sufficiently “glowing”. And it looks like I’m turning out to be right.

Likeability privilege is just another form of privilege, although the most powerful one of all: because confronting it requires we question some very basic assumptions about friendship and the nature of our social selves. It would mess up, at least in the short run, our values about how to choose friends, how to judge character, and how to discriminate, in the classical sense of the word, between personalities.
But it wouldn’t be so difficult to treat the introverted better, especially if we’re in a position to hire. It wouldn’t be so difficult to be a better friend to those who don’t have such bright social plumage. It wouldn’t be so difficult to look at the charmer’s *actions* and see if they match up with their words. Maybe simple things like this are the key to making better judgments about people.

Comment #11: Lucy Montrose  on  03/03  at  01:39 PM

Ranylt,

“when he asked me for titty photos at the conclusion of a professional, entirely non-sexual email conversation about article collaboration.”

Seriously?! WTF?

Sorry for going off topic but that creeped me the hell out.

Comment #12: Mark  on  03/03  at  01:46 PM

(Footnote! My little anecdote has nothing to do with the folks at my current home, In Review Online.  Mortified lest anyone associate that behaviour with them.)

Comment #13: Ranylt  on  03/03  at  01:48 PM

Honestly, a big part of it is that it’s New York.  The NY Times has a lot more resources to dig this sort of thing up, and politicians here are a lot more likely to be exposed.

Eh, if Paterson had played nice & agreed not to run for office again (just one among his transgressions), we’d never have heard any of this.

Comment #14: TiaRachel  on  03/03  at  01:50 PM

It’s applied cognitive dissonance. Since your aide is also your friend, and your friend is by definition a good person (otherwise, why would he be your friend?) it therefore follows that when facts emerge to the contrary, the way to reconcile those facts with reality is to change the facts or redefine the terms so that whatever it was that your friend did isn’t abuse.

Psychology aside, this is a serious abuse of power on Paterson’s part. I wonder: did he think this wouldn’t be discovered? I’m always amazed at politicians in our digital age who think that you can sneak very much under the table anymore. Paterson especially, given the circumstances of his ascension to the governor’s office.

Comment #15: Jerry Vinokurov  on  03/03  at  02:53 PM

What does it say about me that I was friends with someone, gave advice, was a comforting shoulder to someone who all that time did horrible acts to someone else?

That you’re mortal and imperfectly resistant to deception, just like every other human walking around this benighted planet. What really says something about you is what you do with the knowledge that someone who’s a good friend to you is a vicious monster to someone else.

Comment #16: Aaron  on  03/03  at  03:06 PM

(More to the point, I don’t think that kind of question is a problem we’d have if our society wasn’t stupidly fixated on the idea of personal perfectibility as a shortcut to blaming people for everything that’s ever happened to them. I’m not sure which progresses from what there, though.)

Comment #17: Aaron  on  03/03  at  03:07 PM

Yes, social acceptance is a huge part of this.  Many (most?) abusers are also psychologically abusive, or at least manipulative.  They do the same thing to their friends that they do to their partner, but to a lesser degree.  My father is extremely manipulative and charming.  He emotionally abused my mother, my two older brothers, and everyone else he was close to.  Somehow I managed to get by with very little of it, largely because my father identified with me more and was teaching me to be like him.  He never hit anyone so it didn’t seem like real abuse, but it was so bad that my mom almost committed suicide (of course there was an underlying illness there, but the abuse exacerbated it).  My parents divorced and I’ve recently learned that my father has escalated to violence with his newest wife.  Of course everyone sides with him because he has been so intentionally manipulative his entire life.  If he can almost convince his partner to take her own life, surely he can convince a bunch of acquaintances that he’s a nice guy.

I think a lot of other abusers follow a similar pattern.  The psychological manipulation is the foundation, and the actual violence is just a manifestation of that.  It’s often not like a drunken brawl where someone gets angry and loses control and gets into a fight.  The violence is there specifically to manipulate the victim, not to just to take out anger or frustration.  Of course every case is different, especially if the abuser is an alcoholic or addict, and anger management techniques may be helpful in some cases.  But I think that we overlook the psychological aspect of it much too quickly.  There’s a reason that abuse is different than a street fight, and we need to take that aspect of it much more seriously.

Comment #18: bananacat  on  03/03  at  03:22 PM

Bros before hos. That’s what it comes down to. You can get Palestinians and Israelis to agree on the fact that women are lying bitches, if nothing else.  KKK and the Black Panthers? As long as they’re not poaching from the other side, everybody agrees in a nice fuzzy circle jerk of brotherhood and misogyny.

I’m kind of disturbed by the people going, “Oh, his REAL mistake was…..” and not saying, “His real mistake was being a woman-assaulting enabler and minimizer who downplayed what a woman-beating asshole had really done.”

  I was debating anti-Muslim assholes on another board and some guy ‘joked’ that it would be entirely understandable if a bunch of men stuck a tampon up inside at the tip of a boot as far as the ribcage and there was…...resounding silence. Wait, no, there were complaints of, “God, get over it, let it go,” but people just lined up to equalize and minimize the threat.

Comment #19: ginmar  on  03/03  at  03:27 PM

Thanks for this Amanda.

The dirty little secret of the Paterson situation is he reacted like many and I’d guess most people that know a man who beats his partner do—-by backing up the man, and blaming the woman if she makes a fuss.  It’s one of those many male privileges you hear so much about.

It’s so true.

Comment #20: Danica Lefse Queen  on  03/03  at  03:36 PM

Aaron-

Well yeah, of course. I was just play-acting the thought process that leads people to committing this particular evil and why they find it more compelling than just doing what you said, admitting to humanity and the fact that outside of really close friendships most friendships tend to be close enough to share a lot but shallow enough to be able to hide big secrets.

We don’t really share the sins of our friends and I know I’ve been on the side of a friend and hear that they’ve done something fucked up and having to steer them back towards planet non-douche-bag and counseled others on dropping a friend who’s become toxic or a vile person.

But it’s hard to let go of preconceptions of the past.

I suspect it’s because of the cultural idea we have where being right is some sort of a permanent state and the most important thing. Once you commit to an idea or a person, you’re supposed to stick with them even if circumstances or evidence prove it, them wrong. You see this especially in right-wingers. Once they’ve supported a position, nothing will change their minds, because the psychological weight of being emasculated by being wrong is so much worse in their minds than living in constant cognitive dissonance.

Comment #21: Cerberus  on  03/03  at  03:40 PM

Note that, while intervening to cover up abuse is particularly reprehensible, it would still be an abuse of power for the governor to intervene even if it turned out that the governor’s aide was innocent.  Compare, for example, the Palin state trooper issue, where the governor tried to retaliate against her state troper ex-brother-in-law, who she claimed had been guilty of abusive behavior.

Comment #22: rea  on  03/03  at  03:43 PM

Thing is, while the story is limited to domestic abuse, what you are seeing is common for a much wider range of behaviors.  It doesn’t gt much play, but I’ve seen literally dozens of instances where one employee covers up for another employee, for a whole range of things, some of which have nothing to do with sex (in my experience, stealing from the company is what is most common), because one person finds out that his friend has done something wrong, and no one wants to rat out a friend. 

That, to me, is where the problem is: no one wants to rat on a friend, and the all-to-common result is that the bad stuff gets found out eventually anyway, and the person who simply kept the secret gets fired as well, or even goes to jail if the problem was criminal in nature.

Comment #23: Dana  on  03/03  at  03:51 PM

catgirl-

I think so. Abuse in all its forms seems to be related to one thing at least to me. We are by nature, random creatures on a planet that currently sustains sentient life which either is or appears to be indifferent to said sentient life.

In short, we have no inherent meaning and the cold vastness of space doesn’t really care if we go with Betty or Veronica. Most of us find our own meaning through our hobbies, our jobs, our passions, our relationships with others. The abusers however need to gain their meaning or at least the feeling of importance in this world by dominating or controlling others and not in the kinky BDSM way but in the fashion of reducing the humanity of others in a way of the abuser’s choosing (again not in the BDSM way, the non-consent (and not play-non-consent) is the point).

This gives them powers akin to a demigod to whoever they can break in this fashion. You see this in petty middle-managers and rich fuckers feeling the need to punish and make life miserable for the peons who are stuck in a lower function than them. You see this in Republicans needing a bunch of poor kids to blow up a bunch of brown people to get a hard-on. You see it in the Church hierarchy in many churches. And you most clearly see it in the abusers in all their forms in the need to reduce and control the lives of their women and children.

Now, my initial part of the theory may be wrong, but the latter is definitely there. They don’t hit because “they can’t help it” or they are violent people or “they lost control in the drink” but because hitting helps them control that one thing that makes them feel like they have some control over something.

It’s like rape, it’s not about the sex, it’s about the removal of consent, the control.

And this control needs the non-consent of it. My partner’s worst abuser, the man who raped her and then got her to blame herself for it did this to countless women, getting off and being interested only when he was pushing against their boundaries or violating them and losing interest when a partner was genuinely interested in exploring kink or genuinely wanted him.

I really hate that guy.

Comment #24: Cerberus  on  03/03  at  03:52 PM


Bros before hos. That’s what it comes down to. You can get Palestinians and Israelis to agree on the fact that women are lying bitches, if nothing else.

Funny story. I was driving with two female friends through central Calfiornia (which, for those of you not from, is culturally Wyoming) not long after Sept 11. I was filling up at a gas station, and a group of guys started getting in my face. “Hey Muhammad, you got some bombs hidden in there?” etc.

My response was, “No, I got hot chicks in the back of my truck.” They laughed and left me alone.

Back on topic, I am surprised Paterson went through that trouble for an underling. Aren’t they supposed to fall on their sword for their bosses, not the other way around?

Comment #25: bay of arizona  on  03/03  at  03:57 PM

Dana, we’re not talking in generalities here, we’re talking about men backing up other men when they harm women. Nice of you to try and change the subject from that, specifically, to something bland and non-sexist.

  BOA…ugh. Just ugh.

Comment #26: ginmar  on  03/03  at  04:31 PM

The psychological aspect really is pretty huge - if you can convince the person you just hit that you didn’t actually do anything wrong (not true in this case, but a hallmark of long-term abuse), it’s pretty easy to convince your buddies that you didn’t do anything wrong.

Comment #27: jalmondale  on  03/03  at  04:37 PM

Your buddies probably sympathize withe the urge to hit a nagging shrew or harpie. Especially is she’s shrill. We have all these words to label womens’ genuine grievances as petty and hysterical, but not any words that adequately describe men who bully women.

Comment #28: ginmar  on  03/03  at  04:57 PM

We have all these words to label womens’ genuine grievances as petty and hysterical, but not any words that adequately describe men who bully women.

Fucking cowardly assholes?

Complete and total wastes of carbon?

Fuckheads?

yeah yeah yeah.  I can come up with lots of words, but we’d need to coin some for the antithesis of “shrill” to mean “bully who deserves to have his nuts kicked through the roof of his mouth, then put in jail”.

Comment #29: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  03/03  at  06:09 PM

YOu know what? Those are all gender neutral. I want to hurt them the way I’ve been hurt. I’m sick of men playing innocent of context and minimizing what they do and never feeling the sting, even, of their own misdeeds being adequately linked to their privilege and arrogance. I want to have a biting, cutting word for just how evil it is for a man to pretend that he’s never noticed sexism, that he knows he’s lying about false rape accusations, that he knows he’s lying about his buddy never hitting his wife. I want words like that at my disposal.

Comment #30: ginmar  on  03/03  at  06:34 PM

Ginmar—I tend to think of those kind of men as Zombies.  They are the living dead.  I feel free to treat them as if they were dead, dangerously so.  Mary Daly says that patriarchs love death.

Comment #31: scratchy888  on  03/03  at  07:50 PM

Death is power, for these guys. Which is why they so resent it when women get control of whether or not they have babies. Or when women say, “So long as you continue to hang us, Sire, we must ask the reason why.”

Comment #32: ginmar  on  03/03  at  08:01 PM

Ginmar, you can take what they see as power and give it its proper name, Thanatos.  Or better still, Thantophilia.  Once you see things in that light, the world straightens up again, and starts to make sense.  I must say that there is nothing sweeter than womens voices raised in protest.  I am thinking now of VioMak, the Zimbabwean protest singer, who sings against the patriarchy as well as against the Mugabe regime’s abuse of power.  There is something eerily supernatural about the sound of voices being raised that the patriarchy has used all of its powers to silence.  One feels that one is listening to something illicit and at the same time inordinately powerful.  These are voices telling women’s stories in a natural and unforced way.  That is something we are not used to hearing.

Comment #33: scratchy888  on  03/03  at  10:36 PM

Ginmar wrote:

Dana, we’re not talking in generalities here, we’re talking about men backing up other men when they harm women. Nice of you to try and change the subject from that, specifically, to something bland and non-sexist.

If you don’t realize that a lot of people behave that way, regardless of the particular form of malfeasance at hand, you are not going to understand it.  In the Paterson case, the assumption of sexism seems to me to be superficial; it’s easy to say it’s sexism, because such fits the particular subject, but it ignores the fact that this kind of behavior goes beyond that superficial explanation.

Look at what happened: Governor Paterson has, in effect, sacrificed his own political future (whatever it might have been) to try to protect a friend and aide, when he had no personal advantage in doing so, and wound up taking a huge risk.  The same thing happens all the time, in many different situations, many of which have no possible sexism angle.  Heck, Richard Nixon gambled the presidency in an attempt to protect his friends, when he could have cut the cord cleanly, and survived.

Comment #34: Dana  on  03/03  at  10:47 PM

You don’t want to think ill of one’s buddy or role model or admit anything horrible about them because what does that say about them. How could someone laugh along with, think really well of, someone who does something horrible? What does it say about me that I didn’t see it or notice any warning signs? What does it say about me that I was friends with someone, gave advice, was a comforting shoulder to someone who all that time did horrible acts to someone else.

I’m on kind of a social reality kick right now, and this reminded me a great deal of some of the ideas on (slightly subtextual) display after the Abu Graib photos were released.  (Or any of the other torture revelations.  As the kids say, whatevs.)  The pro-torture wing offered many fine arguments, from revenge fantasy sadism to just-for-funsies sadism to cognitive dissonance sadism, but even those that seemed to oppose torture as a general practice blew up into an exasperated fury whenever any kind of equivalence came up.  How could we possibly be as upset about Abu Graib, if Nick Berg got it so much worse?

Leaving aside that specific comparison, you see this line of thought a lot with conservatives.  Why does a cop who breaks the law by engaging in racial profiling bother you more than the thief who stole your car?  Well, shit, the cop bothers me more because he fucking works for me, and I didn’t goddamn pay him to break the fucking law.  Same with the soldiers.  Same with the government in general.  I am implicated in their crimes, and it makes me burn.

But the scenario quoted above, it’s even stronger, because we’re kinda sorta aware that we know who we are largely through interactions with our friends, and when they do something unutterably awful, we can’t help feeling a little bit ashamed.  Sometimes ashamed at having enjoyed the company of a monster, sometimes just ashamed at the knowledge that evil is freeware and anything they did, we could potentially do ourselves.  (Yes, the sex difference runs counter to that last one.  That might be the secret of all theodicy.)

And with that shame, we can turn it outward and condemn with all the fury we can muster, or we can do what humans usually do with shame, which is to conceal, minimize, and ignore.

Or, I suppose, we could go live in the woods like Wolverine.

Comment #35: Byronic Commando  on  03/03  at  11:02 PM

@35

Dana,
Look, you and I have a thing or two in common, and I’m probably making the other posters dislike me a bit just by acknowledging that.  I try to find commonalities with my own thinking when I read opinions that differ from mine, and I’m trying really hard to like you.

But, seriously.  Come the hell on.


You seem to be arguing that because oppression, favoritism and injustice happen in general, we are wrong to assume that sexism was a motivating factor in this scenario in which we see obvious oppression, favoritism and injustice.

There is, indeed, a great deal of the big OF&I;in human history.  It happens in every society that currently exists, and every society of which we have records.  And…listen closely, because this is the big sweeps week reveal…it happens disproportionately to women.  Everywhere.  That it involved physical violence against a woman in this scenario cannot be treated as an outlier, because physical violence against women is the most frequently occurring form of this repellent behavior that you seek to isolate into a sexless hypothesis.  Violence against women is the template.

In fact, if you really want to keep the General Theory of OF&I;you seem to be pushing, I suggest you read up on rape.  Pay attention to the language.  See if you pick up a consistency in rapists’ narratives that objective reality doesn’t seem to bear out.

Comment #36: Byronic Commando  on  03/03  at  11:20 PM

if you can convince the person you just hit that you didn’t actually do anything wrong (not true in this case, but a hallmark of long-term abuse), it’s pretty easy to convince your buddies that you didn’t do anything wrong.

I don’t know.  I think it’s different.  A victim of long-term abuse has had her self-esteem ground to dust.  I could see how she could wind up believing that she deserved it and/or the abuser can’t do any wrong.

Comment #37: keshmeshi  on  03/04  at  01:31 AM

Dana, stop being disingenuous. Hi, I’m a woman. I know more about sexism than you can ever imagine, so don’t fucking tell me it’s just garden-variety injustice when a Governor, for fuck’s sake, strong arms a woman into silence when her boyfriend beat her up.  Christ almighty, if you don’t see what’s going on here, shut the fuck up already and listen. Taking notes might be helpful, too.

Comment #38: ginmar  on  03/04  at  01:39 AM

Dana, if you believe in a Nixon who put his friends before himself, I have a bridge near where Amanda now lives that I’d like to have you take a look at when you have a few minutes to spare…..

Comment #39: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  03/04  at  05:52 AM

ginmar and scratchy888, you’re having an interesting and important conversation, there.  The late Dr. Daly developed all sort of neologisms to disparagingly refer to death-loving misogynists (Snools, Bores, etc.), but the fact that these types control the world has suppressed words that properly describe them from entering into currency.  Feminist blogs with a brain trust of commenters such as this one, however, are pirate ships that may create a new language.

Comment #40: Level Best  on  03/04  at  12:44 PM
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