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How do you solve a problem like Skeletor?

Ann Coulter has a new book out, which means she’s going to get invited onto all the political talk shows so she can be an asshole and piss everyone off, which means it’s time for another round of liberal blogosphere hand-wringing over how to fix this massive cancer on the political discourse.  Paul the Spud sums up the meta-discussion:

Of course, we’ll have the usual outrage when she inevitably says something incredibly offensive, lefty bloggers will protest (and their commenters will tell them to “just ignore her”), righty bloggers will cheer (and their commenters will take Coulter’s statements to higher extremes), and then the book will be remaindered. And then we’ll all have a few months of peace until the next “book.”

As anyone who has been bullied knows, the advice to merely ignore the bully doesn’t work.  But fighting back against the bully doesn’t work, either.  The point of being a bully is the cheap and childish thrill of being able to frustrate other people just for the sheer hell of it.  That’s why bullies are attracted to the defenseless as targets; because the powerful can in fact shut your ass down.  This is why the natural political leaning of bullies is to the right—-you get the pleasure of picking on people and feeling powerful and daring while simultaneously sucking up to the rich and powerful that could actually hurt you if you crossed them.  It’s cowardly, of course, but it’s the worst kind of cowardly, because it’s about getting off on conflict, but never actually taking on any real risks.  This is why comparing caustic liberals like Ted Rall or even myself to Coulter is fucking stupid—-enemies like the Catholic hierarchy, the patriotism bullies, and other powerful constituencies can actually fuck you up and do. There’s a real risk to criticizing power.  Ann Coulter is the Cartman of politics.


As you no doubt know, Coulter has resorted to going after divorced mothers, and there’s actual joking that this might bite her in the ass.  Of course it won’t—-women are the ideal target at all points in time for this shit.  Coulter’s audience is almost completely composed of belligerent, anti-social, broken white men who lack basic human empathy, and so for them, the category of “women” is a category of carbon-based life forms whose value is strictly functional.  Even for divorced men of this category, divorced women make a great scapegoat.  Either she initiated the divorce, meaning you can impugn her for not working properly and submissively like you would a lemon you bought, or you dumped her and well, actually the same thing.  Coulter is just endearing herself to her sociopathic audience.  The only group she could cross, really, is the straight white guys who eat this hate up.  I have no doubt in my mind that she’s more popular than other writers pushing this same “every single human being that is not a straight white guy with major issues is subhuman” schtick because she’s female. Shows that even the true believers don’t really believe it.  They need a woman to affirm their hate, because there’s some guilt deep down inside that’s triggered when you say, see a woman stub her toe and you have a moment of empathy that makes your feel weak and emasculated.  That nagging belief that maybe women aren’t so terrible after all, that is.  And by getting a woman to say, “Nope, women are evil and really should be thanking you for not kicking them randomly,” makes all the difference.

But random asshole behavior seems increasingly to be the, um, “argument” for conservatism.  I took a random screenshot at Townhall today to show what I mean:

So, you have some pointless racism from Mike Adams, and Doug Giles continuing his crusade to suggest that your penis actually shrivels up and falls off if you have a single pang of kindness in your heart.  It’s not enough to shoot animals, you know.  They should make it legal to shoot people who have qualms about shooting animals, at least with a full blast of birdshot to the face, so long as you get to jerk off and spooge on their wounds while they whine for help.  And the usual smattering of “irritate the emasculating liberals” half-literate bullshit that goes on there.

I’m a fan of burning people, and so my qualms about this stuff isn’t exactly that random acts of meanness are somehow the worst thing in the world.  It’s the lack of dignity and art to it.  It’s cowardly to pick on the powerless, first of all.  Plus, it’s just embarrassing how bad most of it is.  Coulter’s stripper joke is aesthetically offensive, because she stole it from Chris Rock, and it’s not nearly as well-played as his.  She calls children of divorce “future strippers”, but Rock tries to put some art into it, saying that it’s a dad’s job to keep his daughter off the pole.  See what I mean?  The latter is a pretty good burn.  Coulter’s joke is the sort of thing that makes people with no sense of humor laugh.  Like, if I heard someone laugh at that, I’d never let them pick a movie, because you know you’re seeing something starring a dog or perhaps a talking baby. 

And she’s the funniest of the lot.  Mike Adams and Doug Giles are excruciating examples of one of the most undignified things that male privilege does to some men, which is causes them to think they’re funny when they’re not.  Men like that coast through life with women and even other men indulging every lame joke with faked laughter.  In fact, it’s been noted by researchers that laughter functions as much as a sign of social submission as a sign of merriment—-we laugh to make other people feel easier, and so social subordinates laugh a lot more than social superiors, to butter up their superiors.  Which means that these two, a college professor and a minister, are used to gales upon gales of unearned laughter that has led them to believe they are funny.  It’s profoundly sad.  But also, kind of funny, in a way that creates perhaps the only genuine laughter these men may see. 

Of course, none of these musings gets us any closer to what we’re going to do about Coulter?  Boycott?  Write letters?  Ignore her?  Accept that she’s part of the landscape?  The last one might have to be the realistic option, but it’s certainly unpleasant to ponder.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 08:25 PM • (97) Comments

Ann Coulter is the Cartman of politics.

Cha-ching!

Comment #1: MAJeff, God of Biscuits  on  01/05  at  08:35 PM

How do we solve a problem like Skeletor?

Duh!

We break his stuff until he gives up and goes home. It oughtn’t come to hurting people; that’s an irresponsible use of our swords and blasters and superpowers and things. Wrecking endless hordes of his floating silver robots, who aren’t much of a threat because they come at us in single file and are melee only, ought to suffice to convince him and his lackeys to retreat to Snake Mountain until next week.

As for what to do about Anne Coulter—I shall learn from you, O Guru.

Comment #2: Falconer  on  01/05  at  08:36 PM

Ignore her?  Nope?  No chance.  I’m working on my vituperative bile-laden rant(s) as we speak.  It won’t do any good, but it will make me feel better.  It won’t do any good because she doesn’t actually believe any of the bullshit she says.  She and Rushbo are just making a buck manipulating the great unwashed.

Comment #3: Magis  on  01/05  at  08:36 PM

Of course, none of these musings gets us any closer to what we’re going to do about Coulter?

Point and laugh.

Comment #4: MAJeff, God of Biscuits  on  01/05  at  08:36 PM

So, according to Drudge, Coulter is “banned for life” from NBC.

Does that count as being fucked?

Comment #5: Beans  on  01/05  at  08:38 PM

Coulter does indeed seem to be a good example of the successful bully. Her good looks and decent intellilgence are in the service of this bullying. She isn’t very smooth, and she has nothing whatever of value to say, but she has a good instinct for how to hurt her enemies, and make people enjoy their pain. That’s why she’s still an effective ‘pundit’, for some.

Comment #6: atheist  on  01/05  at  08:39 PM

She should be ridiculed mercilessly at every opportunity, with this proviso: the ridicule must be genuinely funny, witty, and must cut to the quick.  No gentle ribbing, but no crude, ill thought-out, sexist insults like “MANN Coulter” either.  Our wit and intelligence must relentlessly expose her hatred and bigotry, leaving her burnt and shriveled as a vampire in the morning sun.

Or, we could just quote her verbatim and let the shit speak for itself.  It’s all good.

Comment #7: Captain Bathrobe  on  01/05  at  08:42 PM

I don’t think she’s going to be part of the landscape for much longer. Her schtick relies on always upping herself—she’s got to have something new and shocking to say every time one of her books comes out. “Single moms suck” really doesn’t match up to calling John Edwards a fag the last time she was let out of her pen—so she has to get something that’s more offensive than “fag” or everyone will figure she’s lost her touch. And it’s got to be more offensive than what you can find at other TV shows or at other pundit columns.

The problem is that she’s running out of room fast. What’s more offensive than “fag”? There’s not much that’s far enough over-the-top unless she drops into racist lingo. Sure, that’s a popular well for conservatives nowadays, what with our Suspiciously Brown President. But she can’t go with calling him “Hussein,” ‘cause you can get that anywhere. You can’t go with “Magic Negro,” because that’s all over the place. If she goes with something that’s already used by a lot of conservatives, she looks like she’s playing it safe and wimping out. She has to push the envelope, or everyone will ignore her.

She has to haul out the N-word. If she doesn’t do it, she won’t get on the talk shows, she won’t get any love from Matt Lauer, she’ll get sneered at on FreeRepublic. K-Lo will get invited to more cocktail parties. It won’t quite make her too toxic for her current publisher, but it’ll make most cities too toxic for her to visit.

I’m assuming her book after this one will be full of Hitler apologia, and after that, it’s all over for her.

Comment #8: Scott  on  01/05  at  08:44 PM

But fighting back against the bully doesn’t work, either.

Um, it’s worked every time in my experience. Maybe you’re doing it wrong?

Comment #9: Chet  on  01/05  at  08:44 PM

Will no one rid me of this turbulent pundit?

She is part of the landscape, but it’s an increasingly isolated desert-island landscape.  Nobody likes bullies, really; and after the initial sniggers at the first few jokes, verbal bullying like Coulter’s (and Limbaugh’s, and Boortz, and all the rest) get stale, then sad, then uncomfortable.  Coulter stole from Chris Rock because she only has one joke.  Chris Rock remains funny because he gets a new joke every so often.  Coulter tells the same exact joke over and over and over.  Eventually, “libtards suck” loses its effect.

Coulter appeals to a very narrow subset of the populace.  Keep emphasizing that over and over, and she will remain isolated.

Comment #10: liberalrob  on  01/05  at  08:44 PM

Ann Coulter is the Cartman of politics.

I dunno, I think Cartman may have some actual depth and the odd feeling or two.

Comment #11: ol cranky  on  01/05  at  08:46 PM

By and large, ignoring cancer doesn’t make it go away.

Comment #12: John D.  on  01/05  at  08:47 PM

You can’t stop fucked people from writing things. I couldn’t even get racist assholes booted from AOL back in 1996. I believe that the 26%ers (of which she is even a smaller subset) can be successfully ideologically quarantined for now. No offense to lepers, but Townhall is a 19th century leper colony where leprosy is incurable and maliciously enjoyed by the afflicted.

Publicity and buzz is publicity and buzz whether it’s impotent (or slightly potent) outrage or fawning coverage. I realize it may cut down on volume of posts and reciprocal traffic itself, but I see no point in joining the circle jerk.

Comment #13: norbizness  on  01/05  at  08:48 PM

I think you’re being unfair to Cartman.  He has the courage of his assholery, or something like that; he’ll take on anyone without even thinking about how powerful they are or aren’t.  If anyone suggested he should suck up to the powerful, he’d have a short and profane response.  Or possibly a long and profane response, but either way he wouldn’t do it.  Cartman respects nothing and no one.

At least, that’s my impression.  But I’m not that regular a watcher, so maybe this interpretation is contradicted in episodes I haven’t seen.

Comment #14: chris  on  01/05  at  08:55 PM

He has the courage of his assholery, or something like that; he’ll take on anyone without even thinking about how powerful they are or aren’t.

I think that’s actually called “being a moron”.

Comment #15: atheist  on  01/05  at  08:59 PM

The only way to beat her is to encourage her to keep ratcheting up her vitriol until she becomes nothing more than a caricature.  She’s pretty much there, already.  I’m with Scott, we need to encourage her to use the N-word in public.

Comment #16: Todd  on  01/05  at  09:02 PM

The coulter problem will fix itself.  Which isn’t to say ignore her.  It’s not to say don’t talk about it.  It’s only to say, as Scott pointed out, she’s not got much room left to play in.  Keep calling the people and businesses that associate, promote and encourage coulter and eventually, she will burn out.

Comment #17: ice weasel  on  01/05  at  09:02 PM

The only real bully-behavior I’ve noticed on the left is going after poor white people with “white trash” or similar epithets, or making inbreeding jokes and the like. 

Of course, most liberals I know of grew out of this by the time they hit 13.  Conservatives still go for it really up to their deathbeds.

Comment #18: Mikey  on  01/05  at  09:03 PM

The Skeletor comparison seems pretty apt in that what always summed up Skeletor for me was this moment where he’s dangling the King off a cliff while He-Man’s got a sword drawn on him, so he’s all “All right He-Man, drop the sword and I’ll let the king go.” He-Man, being He-Man, does what he’s told, then Skeletor cackles and chucks the King right off the edge. He-Man gets all outraged and goes like “You swore you would let him go!” and Skeletor gives him this look like ‘what are you, an idiot?’ and says “Yes, I lied.” A lesser villain would have stooped to whatever manner of sophistry about ‘well you never specified where I had to let him go, ha ha ha oh what a clever villain am I’ but man, Skeletor keeps it real.

The upshot of this being that strikes me as basically what Ann Coulter would do in the same situation, except she’d probably call you a faggy liberal for having believed her.

Comment #19: dan  on  01/05  at  09:07 PM

Chet, you have to decisively win.  That’s the only way I’ve beaten back bullies.  But the pundit game?  There’s no way to pull a decisive win.

Comment #20: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/05  at  09:10 PM

It’s strange - I never think about Ann Coulter until I see something about her new books or latest stupid quote on the liberal blogs I read or Salon.com.  I never see her.  I never hear her.  I never see anything she says or does until I read about them here.  So I do sometimes wonder what ignoring her might accomplish…what if she went on the TV and said stupid things and nobody cared?

Comment #21: JenniferP  on  01/05  at  09:21 PM

Attack her on specifics. She dodges questions and is easily flustered; ask her hard questions. Of course this would require reading her books, which are really shitty in terms of research, honesty, value, and intellectual level. She wants people to get angry and respond back impulsively; don’t do it. It’s not like there isn’t enough stuff to go after her for in terms of her sourcing and stuff. And isn’t she a plagiarist? Go for it.

Of course, this would require Matt Lauer to work kind of hard.

Comment #22: ginmar  on  01/05  at  09:29 PM

I hate to say this, because it is so wrong, but everything about Ann Coulter is wrong. In addition to continually topping herself, her other claim to fame is trading on her looks. She’s a hottie with over the top right-wing talking points. But she is fast approaching her sell-by date with regards the audience she is playing to. Beyond a certain age, she’ll shift out of the Barbie moment into that “trying too hard plastic” look. They’ll tolerate her when she looks like a bimbo that they can bash real feminists with, but once she starts to look like their moms, it’ll be over.

Even for right wingers for whom bitter and hot works, bitter and not, not so much.

schadenfreude, I guess. Sadly, it won’t do a darn thing to stop the next one. And there will be one.

Comment #23: Lymis  on  01/05  at  09:30 PM

We didn’t stuff her mouth full of salt and bury the head in a different location from the body. That’s why she keeps coming back.

Comment #24: Entomologista  on  01/05  at  09:32 PM

What you got against Cartman that you want to compare him to Coultergeist?

Comment #25: DrDick  on  01/05  at  09:40 PM

“Ann Coulter has a new book out,”

And the responses from animal lovers everywhere:

1) Oh goody - we’re low on litter pan liners
2) Oh goody, we got a parrot for Christmas and you should see his cage floor

3) Ever notice that at shopping malls, the Petsmart is next to the Borders?  That’s so that when books don’t sell even on the remainder shelf, the transport costs for their next use is shorter (see 1 and 2.)

Comment #26: phylosopher  on  01/05  at  09:41 PM

Laugh at her. Laugh at the people who even mention her name as a credible member of the body politic.

Comment #27: paul  on  01/05  at  09:42 PM

JenniferP:

That’s why you only hear about her here—nobody gives a shit about her anymore. She’s old meme—there’s so much fresher wingnut out there, and she just hasn’t had anything interesting to say. I think much of her audience turned on her between the Jersey Girls/9/11 fiasco and the Elizabeth Edwards attack. Besides, there’s no honor in it. She’s not just willfully ignorant, she’s probably insane.

Captain Bathrobe:

As far as sexist insults go, Annie is a special case. She pretty explicitly trades on her sexuality and her status as feminism’s evil demonspawn stepchild; there are some pretty crude things I’d say without regret about Ann Coulter that would have no significance if applied to Michelle Malkin. (On the other hand, Malkin’s raging xenophobia leaves me more than happy to refer to her as an anchor baby…)

Comment #28: Brian X  on  01/05  at  09:48 PM

That’s very cute, Jennifer, but alas, even if everyone who read Pandagon swore not to care what Ann Coulter said, that would not make a dent.  She gets on TV—-like it or not, that matters.  The “just ignore the bully” thing is an attempt to gain power where you don’t have it.  Telling those without power that they were wearing those ruby red slippers all along only works in fairy stories.

Comment #29: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/05  at  09:54 PM

Ginmar:

I like your idea of challenging her on specifics.  Al Franken began to do just that in his book Lies and the Lying Liars, etc. but he apparently he could only do a limited amount in the space he had.  Unfortunately, as you imply, we would have to rely on the Matt Lauers of the world to actually wade through her drek and fact check it—in other words, give the same treatment reserved to Michael Moore, only do a competent job of it.  It probably won’t happen since that’s hard work and, you know, she’s not fat.

Comment #30: Captain Bathrobe  on  01/05  at  09:54 PM

Brian X:

I have a problem with implying that she is a transgendered person, for the simple reason that there is nothing wrong with being transgendered.  Coulter would be just as vicious and hateful whether she was a man, a woman, transgendered or intersex.  I care not because it is unfair to Coulter, but because it is hurtful to the transgendered to be compared to her.

Comment #31: Captain Bathrobe  on  01/05  at  10:00 PM

I have a problem with implying that she is a transgendered person, for the simple reason that there is nothing wrong with being transgendered.  Coulter would be just as vicious and hateful whether she was a man, a woman, transgendered or intersex.  I care not because it is unfair to Coulter, but because it is hurtful to the transgendered to be compared to her.

However, if the first couple rows at her lectures were all filled by blonde drag queens with little black cocktail dresses reeking of gin and cigarettes…

Good times.

Comment #32: MAJeff, God of Biscuits  on  01/05  at  10:12 PM

I almost drove off the road when I saw an “Ann Coulter for President” bumper sticker (in Baltimore City!) yesterday.  WTF?

Comment #33: SarahMC  on  01/05  at  10:13 PM

Unfortunately, Captain Bathrobe, someone would have to read her shite and then make lists. I remember one quote in her book where she tried to tear The New York Times a new one in their coverage of Dale Earnhardt’s death. She claimed, among other things, that The Times didn’t cover his death as an important story on the front page, and that what coverage they gave it was condescending.

The Times in fact put Earnhardt on the front page the very day after his death, complete with a picture, and the story was written by a Pulitzer Prize winner.

  Her footnotes are deceptive; she likes to claim she writes the most sourced stuff around, but her sources and cites don’t say what she claims they do. She just makes shit up, then looks for something in the area. She a hate monger, a bigot, and a liar. A few examples should do the trick; just keep picking up new ones.

It’s not like you’ll run out.

Comment #34: ginmar  on  01/05  at  10:22 PM

I never even bother to visit Town Hall, but the George W. Obama “article” makes me want to go there for the sheer hilarity. Those article titles seem like they’re straight out of The Onion.

Comment #35: Ben D.  on  01/05  at  10:28 PM

As far as her TV celebrity goes, I blame Bill Maher. He kicks ass sometimes, and sometimes he is just obnoxious. But I can never forgive him for making Coulter a celebrity.

Comment #36: Ben D.  on  01/05  at  10:29 PM

I say we organize random douchebombings in major areas of appearance.  Spray her with Massingil, hit her with vinegar and water balloons, etc.

In other words, HUMILIATE HER in any way possible.  IMHO, it is the ONLY thing that works with a bully.

Comment #37: Ms Kate  on  01/05  at  10:30 PM

Sure, I remember that time that Al Franken stopped Limbaugh cold in his tracks with his book that was on the bestseller list. Forget it, Jake, it’s Coultertown. I don’t think traditional schoolyard analogies apply because it’s a pretty large schoolyard.

Comment #38: norbizness  on  01/05  at  10:40 PM

I think you’re being unfair to Cartman.  He has the courage of his assholery, or something like that; he’ll take on anyone without even thinking about how powerful they are or aren’t.  If anyone suggested he should suck up to the powerful, he’d have a short and profane response.  Or possibly a long and profane response, but either way he wouldn’t do it.  Cartman respects nothing and no one.

At least, that’s my impression.  But I’m not that regular a watcher, so maybe this interpretation is contradicted in episodes I haven’t seen.

Chris has a point.

*SPOILER ALERT*

When someone who was bigger and tougher and meaner than Cartman came along, he didn’t get down and grovel.  He fed the kid’s parents to him.

Ann Coulter isn’t Cartman.  She’s more like Scott Tenorman.

Comment #39: jerry 101  on  01/05  at  10:41 PM

They key is that the media are lazy SOBs.  If they get a backgrounder on her book for free before she’s interviewed it will go right into the briefing materials for the interviewer.  A few succinct and well backed up bullet points sent to the right person can potentially make it directly into the interview.  It’s important that the points be sound bite ready, pithy, simple and impeccably sourced.  It’s also important that they get into the hands of the right person.  Just sending them directly to the interviewer doesn’t work, because they’ll be handled by the same person who handles fan mail and complaints.  They have to go directly to the person who does the pre-interview prep, typically an assistant producer or someone like that.

If I win the lottery I’ll set up shop doing exactly that sort of kneecapping of the noise machine.

So the question is, what are the critical talking points?

Comment #40: togolosh  on  01/05  at  10:50 PM

“Those article titles seem like they’re straight out of The Onion.”

Sometimes The Onion is the source of the conservatives news and gets bandied around. 
Othertimes it’s strangely predictive of real news that comes out in a few years.

Comment #41: tootiredoftheright  on  01/05  at  10:53 PM

Shall we throw more pies?

Comment #42: annejumps  on  01/05  at  11:03 PM

However, if the first couple rows at her lectures were all filled by blonde drag queens with little black cocktail dresses reeking of gin and cigarettes…

Good times.

All right, I admit I’d pay to see that.  smile

Comment #43: Captain Bathrobe  on  01/05  at  11:18 PM

I still go with ignore her. Why? Because she’s not relevant. Nothing she has to say means anything. But this is Pandagon where no troll goes uncultivated. And that’s what she is, a troll.

Comment #44: pablo  on  01/05  at  11:24 PM

Al Franken shows us how to handle Ann:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=susZ2ceEHwk

Comment #45: judy brown  on  01/05  at  11:30 PM

I don’t know how to solve the problem, but I can tell you she’s pretty disturbing off-camera and in-person as well. Years ago, she did some flirting my way at Balducci’s in NYC, and let me to tell you, it was like being run to ground by a rabid wolverine.

I know that “outrageous” TV pundits are usually putting on an act, but with Coulter I got the impression that was her, 24/7.

Comment #46: Gracchus  on  01/05  at  11:39 PM

Bush to Nation: Our Long National Nightmare of Peace and Prosperity is Finally Over

Comment #47: Erl  on  01/05  at  11:40 PM

on the “lack of dignity and art to it”:

the death of patriarchy

Comment #48: jennifer cascadia  on  01/05  at  11:50 PM

He has the courage of his assholery, or something like that

I disagree.  There was a recent episode where a girl in Cartman’s class challenged him to a fight and he tried to chicken out of it.  She ended up kicking the crap out of him.

As for Coulter, how do you handle her?  Find a really spot on impersonator who can highlight Ann’s absurdities and have her on as many tv shows and public appearances as possible whenever Ann has tv appearances or book tours.

Comment #49: Tommykey  on  01/05  at  11:53 PM

As far as sexist insults go, Annie is a special case. She pretty explicitly trades on her sexuality and her status as feminism’s evil demonspawn stepchild; there are some pretty crude things I’d say without regret about Ann Coulter that would have no significance if applied to Michelle Malkin. (On the other hand, Malkin’s raging xenophobia leaves me more than happy to refer to her as an anchor baby…)

Epic. Fucking. Fail.

Progressivism/Liberalism: U R doing it wrong.

Comment #50: history_mom  on  01/06  at  12:03 AM

I read a book called Men on Rape in which men discussed their fantasies of justifiably raping women. One guy had a fantasy about raping Nazi camp guards. After all, they deserved it, right? They were Nazis. These guys were just looking for an excuse and of course, they found no shortage of them.

  You’re looking for an excuse to be sexist and you think you’ve found one. Wrong. I suspect t here’s other women you could find excuses to be sexist about, too.

Comment #51: ginmar  on  01/06  at  12:17 AM

judy, that Al Franken clip is perfect.  Exactly how to play it—-demonstrate that Coulter’s “humor” isn’t funny, rendering her value a big, fat zero.

Comment #52: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/06  at  12:49 AM

I got it I got it! Take MA Jeff’s idea with the drag queens front row center, and give them water balloons for falsies.  Fill the balloons with vinegar and water, and they will be primed to be retrieved from augmented bosoms and lobbed at the intended target.

Comment #53: Ms Kate  on  01/06  at  01:08 AM

I personally think that The Boondocks handled Ann very well.*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZbz2NcfLrY

 

 

*I’m not going to look through the comments at youtube.  I strongly suspect I will be disappointed.

Comment #54: commissarjs  on  01/06  at  01:13 AM

That Boondocks clip is great. I’m still cracking up about the crabcakes.

Comment #55: pablo  on  01/06  at  01:27 AM

Joe Dante did a great job skewering Coulter here:

An unnamed president (whose appearance is modeled after Bill Clinton and whose voice is modeled after George W. Bush) is running for reelection during a divisive war, and one of his speech writers, David Murch (Jon Tenney), goes on TV to speak with talk show host Marty Clark (Terry David Mulligan) and strident right-wing sexpot (and Ann Coulter-like) Jane Cleaver (Thea Gill). Another guest is Janet Hofstader (Beverly Breuer), the Cindy Sheehan-like mother of a fallen soldier, who demands to know what her son died for. Murch gets a bit teary-eyed and explains that he lost his older brother Philip (Ryan McDonnell) in Vietnam.

“Believe me,” he tells the grieving mom, “if I had one wish, I would wish for your son to come back, because I know he would tell us how important this struggle is.” Cleaver is so impressed with Murch’s handling of the situation that she takes him out for a drink later, picks his brain, and eventually seduces him.

When someone who was bigger and tougher and meaner than Cartman came along, he didn’t get down and grovel.  He fed the kid’s parents to him.

yeah, until Wendy fucking WRECKED him.

possibly the most catharsis I’ve ever gotten from a single episode of any television show ever.

I once cared about Ann Coulter. Then I just realized exactly what she is.

Comment #57: karpad  on  01/06  at  01:45 AM

How to stop Ann Coulter . . . .

Well, I’ve been seeing this commercial lately featuring McGruff the crime dog. It’s about bullying, and since you brought up bullying, I thought I’d mention it. The commercial is of this bully intimidating this kid on the playground, and one of the witnesses calls McGruff for advice. McGruff said to gather up a couple other kids, put their arms around the kid who was getting bullied, and walk away together. Because friendship beats bullies every time (or something like that)! So basically these kids both ignored the bully and showed him that he was irrelevant. Maybe that’s what we need to do to Coulter. Maybe someone needs to write one glorious post shitting on everything Coulter has ever said and will ever say. Perhaps a formula explaining why anything that comes out of Coulter’s mouth is bullshit. Of course, taking advice from McGruff is basically taking advice from the Department of Justice. I don’t know if that makes it the right thing to do.

Comment #58: Emily  on  01/06  at  02:31 AM

Chet, you have to decisively win.  That’s the only way I’ve beaten back bullies.

A fellow student of the Battle School, I see. For my part I don’t think you have to kick them to death, but then again, I never graduated to Command School.

Comment #59: Chet  on  01/06  at  03:09 AM

Remind her that she’s a loser. Remind her that she’s the reason the Republican party always fails. She’s the reason conservatism is a bankrupt and discredited ideology.

Bullies are insecure, and that’s why they try to go after the vulnerabilities and insecurities of others- because it’s one of the few bits of empathy they have. They know what it’s like to feel weak and unable to protect yourself, and that’s why they impose that experience on others.

Coulter repeatedly tells everyone what her weaknesses are, and they aren’t that she’s not really a woman, but that she is really a woman, with all the awful thing that symbolizes for a misogynist like Coulter. She needs to be reminded that she’s weak, that she’s vulnerable, and that her attempts to make other people feel the same way are fruitless. As awful as it seems, before she gives up trying to burn down the world to make all the awful liberals and atheists feel the pain that some formative experience of her life gave her (I’m guessing a combination of a painful adolescence and a distant, cruel father), she needs to be humiliated. She needs to understand that all her abuse doesn’t change the fact that she’s rallied behind the losing team, and that the winners have bigger things to do than worry about a sad little troll like Ann Coulter. She’s old, she’s losing her looks, and all her compatriots are losers.

It’s entirely possible that her failure to move units will suck all the oxygen out of her quest.

Comment #60: alex  on  01/06  at  03:16 AM

Scott’s right—we needn’t bother, she’s going to self-destruct. She has to keep topping herself, but each iteration creeps out more people.  In a few years, there won’t be many left.

The thing is, she doesn’t have anything else in her life. It’s not like she keeps a law practice on the side, or she’s got someone special in her life, or even a hobby (other than drinking).  This liberal-hating shtick is her whole pitiful life.

Ten years from now, she’ll either be dead, or she’ll be out on the evangelical circuit, talking about non-fundies the way she now talks about liberals.

Comment #61: Molly, NYC  on  01/06  at  03:37 AM

She’ll drop out within 3 years, not because she’s run out of material (as others have noted, that happened long ago, she just keeps recycling) but because she’ll hit 50 and, as a non-feminist, she’ll consider it too old to maintain the one-two punch. In other words, she’ll lose half of the equation.

Comment #62: Daphne Chyprious  on  01/06  at  05:08 AM

“This is why comparing caustic liberals like Ted Rall or even myself to Coulter is fucking stupid…”

No, it’s not, dimbulb. Your pronounced stupidity is just an inversion of Coulter’s. (Although, in your case, you have the sort of low-level position that your intellectual mediocrity merits.)

Thank heaven that I was not born stupid like Amanda, Pam, and their worthless hangers-on.

Comment #63: Congested  on  01/06  at  05:36 AM

The only effective way to deal with a bully is to *break them*.  Beat them down until they can’t get up, publicly humiliate them until they cry and piss their pants, and promise that if they *ever* come after you again, they’ll get ten times worse.

Comment #64: Xauri'EL  on  01/06  at  06:47 AM

James? Is that you?

Comment #65: K. Mac  on  01/06  at  06:55 AM

I have to agree with those who say that the only way you beat bullies is “Ender-style”. They won’t go away or leave you alone until you make it undeniably clear to them that they WILL lose in future bullying efforts and that there is NOTHING you won’t throw at them or do to get them to stop. The reason most bullying continues is because people respond tit-for-tat, which is exactly what they’re looking for. Instead the response needs to be more on the order of they push you or poke at you, you break a bone.

Comment #66: Dillo  on  01/06  at  07:58 AM

alex:

Bullies are insecure, and that’s why they try to go after the vulnerabilities and insecurities of others- because it’s one of the few bits of empathy they have. They know what it’s like to feel weak and unable to protect yourself, and that’s why they impose that experience on others.

This is a myth. Study after study shows that bullies show exactly the same range and variance as the general populace when it comes to self-esteem, and in many cases test higher than average on self-image measurements.

There’s no real magic to bullying. Most of the time it’s just plain old vanilla authoritarian enforcement, dominance displays, petty narcissism and control-freakery (like, for example, our little friend Congested, a few posts above).

Comment #67: Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster  on  01/06  at  09:04 AM

quoting myself:

Study after study shows that bullies show exactly the same range and variance as the general populace when it comes to self-esteem, and in many cases test higher than average on self-image measurements.

After several edits, I realize only too late that this sentence directly contradicts itself. The first part is correct, the second part is not.

Comment #68: Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster  on  01/06  at  09:05 AM

You know, even back in the day, when I was a conservative, Creationist Christian, I couldn’t stand Ann Coulter.

Comment #69: mikespeir  on  01/06  at  09:19 AM

No one’s done a good study of who strips, have they? Say, compiled some statistical data on household poverty, family background, educational attainment, years working, job satisfaction?

I just ask because we seem to spend more time than I’d guess, as a culture, arguing about strippers.

Comment #70: purpleshoes  on  01/06  at  09:20 AM

  Mike Adams and Doug Giles are excruciating examples of one of the most undignified things that male privilege does to some men, which is causes them to think they’re funny when they’re not.  Men like that coast through life with women and even other men indulging every lame joke with faked laughter.  In fact, it’s been noted by researchers that laughter functions as much as a sign of social submission as a sign of merriment—-we laugh to make other people feel easier, and so social subordinates laugh a lot more than social superiors, to butter up their superiors.  Which means that these two, a college professor and a minister, are used to gales upon gales of unearned laughter that has led them to believe they are funny.  It’s profoundly sad.  But also, kind of funny, in a way that creates perhaps the only genuine laughter these men may see.

That was so beautifully observed and phrased, I had to quote the whole thing. Brilliant.

I’m a fan of burning people

I confess I read this three times with a buh? face before the right meaning clicked.

Comment #71: umami  on  01/06  at  10:10 AM

“Ann Coulter is the Cartman of politics. “

And I always thought she was the bag lady of politics.

Comment #72: steve arrants  on  01/06  at  10:29 AM

Good lord, who are you people who think Coulter looks good?  You need to get out more.  Have a beer at Hooters.

Comment #73: Notorious P.A.T.  on  01/06  at  11:18 AM

In terms of dealing with Coulter, I defer to a better student of human nature than I’ll ever be (and a better purveyor of insults than she’ll ever be):

“Will a day come when the race will detect the funniness of these juvenilities and laugh at them—and by laughing at them destroy them? For your race, in its poverty, has unquestionably one really effective weapon—laughter. Power, Money, Persuasion, Supplication, Persecution—these can lift at a colossal humbug,—push it a little—crowd it a little—weaken it a little, century by century: but only Laughter can blow it to rags and atoms at a blast. Against the assault of Laughter nothing can stand.” - Mark Twain

Comment #74: damnedyankee  on  01/06  at  11:33 AM

I’m going to express a minority opinion here: Since Ann Coulter is an obvious crank and often amusing so long as no real-world consequences of her arguments are assumed, she strikes me as not nearly as threatening as those who humorlessly approach politics with serious and pernicious right-wang cant (James Dobson and the religious lunatic fringe, the Cheneys, etc.).

Comment #75: Luke  on  01/06  at  11:53 AM

Coulter’s a nut, dude. Don’t waste your otherwise interesting blog space with her.

Anyway, I read this glorious POS and thought it was right up this blog’s alley…

http://culture11.com/blogs/ladyblog/2009/01/05/if-she-says-she-wants-equality-not-sameness-shes-lying/

I expect a takedown within the day wink

Comment #76: Jeff  on  01/06  at  12:54 PM

They won’t go away or leave you alone until you make it undeniably clear to them that they WILL lose in future bullying efforts and that there is NOTHING you won’t throw at them or do to get them to stop.

Uh…gonna disagree here.  Carrying on with your life and laughing at the bullies can work, at least if you’re female and the odds of physical fighting are lowered.  I even got out of a physical fight by refusing to engage.  If you can show the bully that their smack doesn’t bother you, they look for a weaker target.

Bullies are sad, damaged people.  They are mean and pick on others to make themselves feel better.  It doesn’t really work, so they have to keep doing it. 

Both my method and the Ender-style really only change the victim—the bully will continue to pick on someone weaker for that temporary thrill.  Unless you actually pull an Ender…

Bullies are toxic and should be shunned.  It’s hard to do with Coulter thanks to Fox/Pravda giving her unearned attention, but slamming her wtih facts is effective.

Comment #77: Caren  on  01/06  at  04:00 PM

Thanks, umami, and isn’t it funny that we have a perfect example in Congested?  Clearly stupid, with a self esteem way too high for what he actually has to offer the world.  People defer to him because he’s a man, not because he’s smart or has earned esteem in any way.

Comment #78: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/06  at  04:11 PM

This is why comparing caustic liberals…to [conservative bullies] is stupid—-enemies like the Catholic hierarchy, the patriotism bullies, and other powerful constituencies can actually fuck you up and do. There’s a real risk to criticizing power.

Can we get this carved into a cornerstone in DC somewhere? So basic, yet so ignored.

And part of me is already separating TV people into those in whose voice I can imagine hearing this, and those whom I can’t. (CF Rachel Maddow, Tim Russert.)

Comment #79: ThresherK  on  01/06  at  05:29 PM

Ann Coulter’s “John Edwards is a fag” quotes proved very wrong. I wonder if that has something to do with her lowered status. She can’t even pick who is man who is not… Which doesn’t matter to us liberals but for MRAs is a cardinal sin.

She’s toast I think

Comment #80: Renmiri  on  01/06  at  05:44 PM

Bullies are sad, damaged people.  They are mean and pick on others to make themselves feel better.

Didn’t we prove this wrong a few posts ago when it was shown that bullies, generally, have higher self-esteem than their peers? Making up faulty reasons for bullying doesn’t get us any closer to a solution.

Comment #81: Chet  on  01/06  at  09:28 PM

Nice piece, Amanda, with one minor quibble: when I do my professorizin’, I do not experience “gales of unearned laughter.” My best material inevitably dies on the vine, wasted on so many glassy-eyed droolers at 8 in the morning ...

But I’m not bitter.

Comment #82: spence-bob  on  01/06  at  10:00 PM

The drying up of “wingnut welfare” is what’ll finally sink Coulter, the mass purchases of her screeds won’t be able to continue, and she’ll lose her mojo.

The way to deal with bullies is to make them look ridiculous.  The father of a kid I coached (judo) told me that his son put the local bully (older, stronger kid who’d already knocked several younger kids down) on his ass several times (showing the bully that the first time wasn’t a fluke).  He didn’t pull an “Ender” (FSM I hate OSC!), but he calmly showed the bully the error of his ways, and showed the other kids how the bully was far from invincible without hurting the creep.

This morning, Harry Smith calmly dumped Coulter’s ass with a metaphorical tomoe nage and left her looking childish and ridiculous.

Comment #83: Big Bad Bald Bastard  on  01/06  at  10:24 PM

Ann Coulter is the Cartman of politics.

I just had a wonderful moment - where I imagined every single pundit, interviewer, TV personality, etc. respond, for a whole week, to everything Coulter says with “Shut up, fatass.”

It has the advantage of being truly surreal and entirely appropriate, all at the same time. She won’t know how to react.

Comment #84: eyelessgame  on  01/06  at  10:36 PM

“Chet, you have to decisively win.  That’s the only way I’ve beaten back bullies.  But the pundit game?  There’s no way to pull a decisive win.”


Actually, Amanda, it is not true that you can’t win decisively.  I’ve seen you win decisively on several occasions. 

All we need to do is to figure out a way to confine Ann Coulter’s career entirely to pandagon, and make certain that you have editorial control over her comments.  Then you can totally disemvowel her and replace her comments with videos of bunnies or admissions that she has a small penis.  My favorite is when you say “shorter somebody,” then paraphrase them to mean something they never actually wrote, and then like totally demolish them.  Remember when you used to do that?  Yeah, it was awesome.  Coulter is really in for it.

Winning in the non-internet world wherein you have no editorial powers or, you know, credibility or power of any flavor might be a smidge more difficult.

Comment #85: Teddy Bear w/ a Love TKO fo' ya  on  01/07  at  12:23 AM

As a frequent glassyeyed drooler, I resent that comment. We are laughing on the inside.

Comment #86: Indy  on  01/07  at  01:23 AM

history_mom:

Why epic fail? It goes directly to her particular hypocrisies.

Comment #87: Brian X  on  01/07  at  01:24 AM

Captain Bathrobe:

Point conceded. I honestly never thought too highly about the transgendered comments either—I don’t really see it.

Comment #88: Brian X  on  01/07  at  01:27 AM

“Why epic fail? It goes directly to her particular hypocrisies. “

You should have read Ginmar’s comment as well.

You can’t call yourself a progress if you make excuses or exceptions for bigotry.  Sexist or transphobic comments relating to Coulter are NOT OKAY, regardless of what she says or does, as they do nothing more than support the sexist, transphobic culture we live in and those biases. Meaning that, making excuses for using sexist or transphobic insults does nothing more than justify using them against anyone.

If your goal is to be just like her, keep using bigotry to insult your enemies.  But that negates the possibility of being a progressive.

Comment #89: GypsyLee  on  01/07  at  11:47 AM

Cheer up. She is not aging well.

Comment #90: archer  on  01/07  at  04:30 PM

The way to deal with bullies is to make them look ridiculous

Punk Ann Coulter. Punk Ann Coulter. Punk Ann Coulter. Absurdity is the deflator of clowns who play the serious schtick.

But I repeat myself.

Comment #91: pseudonymous in nc  on  01/07  at  06:12 PM

GypsyLee:

If we can tastelessly mock Rush Limbaugh for his drug addictions, or Ted Haggard for his sanctimonious closet-case self-loathing, I don’t see why Coulter is immune from equally tasteless mockery based on her abuses of feminism. Re ginmar’s comment, this *is* attacking her on the specifics—for looking for a free ride on her sexuality and her status as an independent, (allegedly?) self-made woman while condemning other women for achieving the same freedoms. My point is that it’s relevant and IMHO perfectly legitimate to turn other peoples’ hate speech back on them if it applies to them.

And as I said earlier, I concede the point on the transphobic comments and wish I hadn’t given the impression that I supported them; they aren’t fair or relevant, not like Coulter’s freeriding, Haggard’s homophobia, or Malkin’s “they should have closed the gates after my parents got here” xenophobia. I’ve no problem with childish abuse, but it really has to be relevant to the person in question. The problem here is one of communication—anger and snark gets eyeballs. Conservative talk radio has known this for nearly two decades, but liberals tried to stay above the fray, and what happened? We got our asses kicked at the polls over and over and over again from 1994 to 2006. It wasn’t until the Bush administration and the massive, systemic corruption within the Republican party showed with things like the mishandling of the Iraq war and the Terri Schiavo controversy that they didn’t give a flying fuck what the electorate thought that we began to regain ground.

We need to fight back, by any means necessary. The only moral principle here as far as I’m concerned is that when we hit someone, we hit them based on their hypocrisies and hate-mongering and don’t try to make shit up to smear them like the Swift Boaters or the rightbloggers—we check our facts and then fight dirty with the truth, because the truth is damning enough without taking cheap shots. And I do mean fight dirty—ignore identity politics except as they try to use them against us. They shouldn’t be allowed to accuse us of resting on a culture of victimhood and claim to be victims themselves; they’ve put the rope out there, and I’m only too happy to hang them with it. Ugly? Yes. But it seems to me we need the destructive side to run interference for the constructive side of liberalism or the constructive side will never get a chance to do its work. (After all, why else would Obama hire Rahm Emmanuel as Chief of Staff?)

Comment #92: Brian X  on  01/07  at  06:14 PM

No Brian X it is not the same as mocking Limbaugh for his drug problems or Ted Haggard for his homophobia because—and you’ll want to pay attention closely—those are not essential and unchangeable parts of them.  They also point deeply to their hypocrisy.  Limbaugh can change being a drug addict and Haggard can stop being homophobic but Ann Coulter cannot stop being female.  When you use sexist slurs against Coulter you are saying that her character flaws are something rooted in her sex, character flaws shared by those who share her sex.

Just because Coulter is a vile person does not make it okay to use sexism against her.  Please go to Shakesville and read their excellent posts on the coverage of Sarah Palin during the election.  If you insist on using sexist slurs against Coulter, then you are not feminist ally and should drop the pretense. 

I agree with Ginmar, you are looking for an excuse to be a sexist.  It’s like the rape apologists looking for occasions when it’s okay to rape (“but there’s a gray area!!!”) Sorry, but you will not get this feminist’s permission to be a sexist fuckwad.

Comment #93: history_mom  on  01/08  at  03:39 AM

history_mom:

I’m sorry, I can’t agree with you. I am not attacking Coulter for being a woman; I am attacking Coulter for being an embarrassment to women. As far as I’m concerned she’s thrown herself to the wolves and is fair game; she has no right to hide behind “sexism” because she’s perpetrating it. And I am applying this logic *only* to Coulter (as well as someone like Phyllis Schlafly, who has a very similar “do as I say not as I do” schtick). You’re drawing a special identity exception when—guess what—she would do no such thing. You say Ted Haggard can stop being a homophobe? Well, Ann Coulter can stop being an anti-feminist. She is an acceptable target not because she is a woman, but because she is a bad person.

And re: sexist attacks on Palin, I don’t think there was any justification for those either. Palin is a clueless theocrat, and that’s all that was needed to turn her into a caricature.

Comment #94: Brian X  on  01/08  at  04:16 AM

Brian: If you are not going to listen to feminists on a feminist blog who tell you that it is NEVER okay to use sexist attacks, then you are not an ally and need to leave.  There are no exceptions when it comes to using sexist, racist, transphobic, or homophobic attacks

You say Ted Haggard can stop being a homophobe? Well, Ann Coulter can stop being an anti-feminist.

See, you’re still relating apples to oranges.  Attacking Haggard for being homophobic is different than attacking him for being homosexual.  One is an attitude he carries that he can change; the other is part of his being, something he cannot change, and something that is not wrong or bad in the first place.  You can attack Coulter for being anti-feminist because those are ideas; you cannot attack Coulter for being female, which is what you are doing when you use sexist slurs against her.  You are implying that it’s something categorical to all women that makes were worthy of despise and as such hurts all women.

Would we be having this discussion if race was involved?  Is it okay to call Alan Keyes a nigger because he defends the racist status quo? No.  Because using racist language reinforces the idea that there is something wrong with his race, not him as a person.  It is no different when it comes to sexism.

 

Because Melissa said it so effectively:

http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/05/how-feminism-works.html

http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2007/10/i-write-letters_16.html

Individual women don’t have to earn a feminist’s defense from sexist attacks; it is offered because a feminist recognizes how sexism works—against the collective. As Echidne says, it “hurts all women, all little girls, all old ladies, women everywhere.”

[...]

<blockquote>But if you genuinely care about the latest despicable outrage to emanate from the odious Coulter, to which you’re purporting to respond, let me remind you that being misogynist, transphobic assholes in response doesn’t actually improve anything.

[...]

Given that Ann Coulter’s revolting ideology most vigorously flourishes in a culture replete with the intolerant, oppressive accoutrements of bigotry, adding yet more fuel to the long-raging fires of misogyny and transphobia is, in fact, a win for her. Further, it’s a loss for every other other woman and transgender person in America, who are inescapably subject to the culturally endemic narratives of hatred which have—once again—been validated and reinforced. Women aren’t to be taken seriously. Trannies are icky. Ugly women are trannies are bad and deserving of no respect.

Comment #95: history_mom  on  01/08  at  04:49 PM

were=her

Comment #96: history_mom  on  01/08  at  06:03 PM

“You’re drawing a special identity exception when—guess what—she would do no such thing.”

Who gives a crap what she would do?  Isn’t part of the joys of being a progressive NOT doing what she does?

If you use sexism against one women, you’re justifying it used against any of us.  that’s neither feminist or progressive.

Comment #97: Gypsy Lee  on  01/09  at  03:07 PM
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