Well if they can be a bully by either sending a check or by using Twitter they will because after all they won’t actually have to face what they fear in order to do it.

It’s hard to tell if they actually fear Teh Ghey, or if they fear seeing that it’s actually not so scary.

They fear even more the possibility that it’s not always so hot.

You know, I used to think I was a conservative, a belief I gave up right about when I started having a reasonably fun sex life. I used to think that was a coincidence, but after seeing a bunch of crybabies flip out about Jesse’s post, it’s clear to me that there’s a causal relationship.

They’re so precious when they’re lying on the floor kicking and screaming their little lungs out.  Bless their hearts.

I was wondering if they were going to start a new one or just move a couple of the existing ones around.  Then again, NYC is scary otherland save for the Twin Towers of Freedom and God.

You have to run down to Ground Zero in a big hamster bubble, get your picture while grinning in your flag T-shirt and fanny pack in front of a place where thousands of people were murdered, and then hustle back to the subway, where you’ll get angry because a bunch of people treat the monorail ride like it’s daily transportation.

But do these Gay bars have funny names?  “Ground Dear-O”?  Oh, oh oh!

“Ground Eros”

Then again, NYC is scary otherland save for the Twin Towers of Freedom and God.

Especially convenient because said Towers do not actually exist and are purely symbolic.

I admit, sometimes I get confused about who is the author of which post. But then I, you know, look at the bottom of the post for the name of the author.

I guess that’s the essential difference between them and us.  When we get the stupid, we try to fix it.

“When we get the stupid, we try to fix it.”

I’d vote party line for any party willing to adhere to that slogan.  It’s much better than “when we get the stupid, we’re proud and we try to amplify it as much as possible” and “when we get the stupid, it’s time to change our collective diapers; we get the stupid because we’re scaredy-cats who routinely piss ourselves like incontinent drunken babies and we’re afraid of our own shadows, not to mention afraid of everything else in the known universe, and getting the stupid is the only way we know to respond to fear,” which appear to be the defining slogans of the two major parties.

This whole story is hysterical.  It gave me a great laugh after spending some time on your Gibbs post, which was excellently stated, but that whole debacle and every single thing it indicates, is really depressing.

But laughing at wingnuts from Dumbfuckistan? (stolen from Charles Pierce)  That never gets old.

Perhaps it’s just another example of New York’s reality exceeding the most repressed imagination.

As true as that is….today’s NYC reality is a very sanitized version of what existed just 20+ years ago.  If that already blows their mind…..I can hardly imagine how they’d react to seeing Times Square, Hell’s Kitchen, Chelsea, The Village, and alphabet city back in the 1960’s-1980s….

Heck, I just read an article about a Jesuit school on the Lower East Side whose principal recalled how drug deals used to go down right outside of the church/school building and how prostitutes used to proposition parents during

argh….

meant to finish that by saying

“...during parent teacher conferences.”

Screw the homophobia, religious intolerance, and general all-round toolbaggery.  You expect that.  The post reveals something else about ‘wingnut conservatives.  Kevin Drum did the same kind of search you did and posted similar results.  His first commenter said

I think it’s called “Dakota North” or something like that.

Anyway, my recollection is, it’s not exactly the, um, most hetero place in TriBeCa anyways. Hope [Greg] Gutfeld’s got a marketing budget.

 

In other words Gutfield and his “no joke” investors he’s got lined up don’t know crap starting or running a business works either.  Though actually with ‘wingnuts you tend to expect that too.

figleaf

Especially convenient because said Towers do not actually exist and are purely symbolic.

Huge towers that don’t actually exist and are purely symbolic and which wingnuts obsess over? Huge towers that symbolize manly American manliness? Big huge towers that used to proudly jut above the cityscape?

Those towers? Why would wingnuts be so very, very anxious about the integrity of manly symbolic towers like those?

But laughing at wingnuts from Dumbfuckistan? (stolen from Charles Pierce) That never gets old.

Until you remember that they vote…

Steve - yeah, that is sobering.

Steve, it’s actually pretty damn funny even taking that into account.

Steve, it’s actually pretty damn funny even taking that into account.

I have to admit it is. But I LIVE in Dumbfuckistan surrounded by wingnuts, and sometimes it hurts when I laugh.

Oh, I laughed and laughed.

“So there’s already a gay bar there?”

“There are THREE.”

I recall with amusement the story from “The Brethren” of how, after the abortion decision was announced, Justice Hugo Black was inundated with mail from irate religious extremists decrying the decision, some of them noting that it was disgraceful for an Alabaman like Justice Black to have participated in that decision.

Justice Black had been dead since September 25 of the previous year.

Of course, now that it is known that there are gay bars “overlooking the site of 9/11” how long until the wingnuts start screaming to have them closed?

exholt, that was exactly my point. To my mind, Times Square or for that matter any place in San Francisco is rather tame, but my imagination is anything but repressed. I’m from the Sixties, and my memory of the time is perhaps unreliable, but back then things seemed to be a little more ... remarkable.

I still come across sheltered suburbanites whose notions of NYC come from outdated exaggerated movie stereotypes are such that they feel it is appropriate to warn me, a NYC native, about the dangers of walking around after dark and then are confused when I start ROTFLOL.

If only they knew what growing up in NYC was like in the 1960’s - 1980’s…..with me remembering the 1980’s very vividly….

The flying monkeys are still coming at me on Twitter.  It’s kind of amazing, both a) that they chose to get angry at something Jesse wrote by going after me and b) that this is the issue they release the flying monkeys over.  Why is this so important to them?  Are they that sad that their “brilliant” plan to indulge both homophobia and Islamophobia turned out to be such a spectacular failure as a joke?

I don’t know about sad, but I’d say they’re easily that embarrassed.

Are they that sad that their “brilliant” plan to indulge both homophobia and Islamophobia turned out to be such a spectacular failure as a joke?

Well, they really aren’t very good at this whole “humor” thing.

“It’s kind of amazing, both a) that they chose to get angry at something Jesse wrote by going after me and b) that this is the issue they release the flying monkeys over.  Why is this so important to them?”

Well, you gotta keep yer monkeys in good flying shape, you know “use them or lose them” as they say.  And Jesse just doesn’t have the profile to make as good a Flying Monkey target as you do.

Now if Jesse gets a coupla books under his belt, get Bill D0n0hue after him for “anti-Cath0lic” statements, gets hired and then quits a high-profile position as official web liaison for some politician, then he’d make a great Flying Money target too.

Seriously, what I’m afraid is they’ll start going after your counter-tops and Marc.  That would be really nasty.

Keeping my fingers crossed that you kids (hey, I’m 50 now, I can say that ) stay safe and happy…

I’m completly not up to date on this ‘Twitter’ thingee. I’ve found a way to see Amanda’s writings without having to register to the service, but is there any easy way to see what the flying monkeys are writing to her? I have a morbid interest, in the ‘look at this car wreck’ style.

Counter-tops?

Wait, why is my liberal head supposed to explode if someone opens a gay bar adjacent to Cordoba House? 

After watching this whole bit of manufactured controvery nonsense play itself out I still don’t get it.  But I suppose that’s pretty much the point when it comes to manufactured controversies, a bunch of people have nothing better to do with their time than get all fired up about stupid non-issues instead of worrying about front burner problems like the economy and unemployment.

That and the fact that most New Yorkers couldn’t care less about the gay bar next door or the fact that their gay neighbors may frequent said gay bars makes it all the more ridiculous…

“Counter-tops?”

I mean having somebody like Malkin stalking you.  You’ve got a high enough profile, and there are enough scary wingnuts out there, that it becomes a possibility…

I worked and played in New York for some years right after I graduated from college in 1980.  I loved New York in the 1980s and don’t recall ever not feeling safe, even when I was at the Port Authority building at 2AM grabbing the last bus back to Jersey.  But it was very wide open compared to today and a hell of a lot of fun in spite of the crime.  I still find New York to be exciting, but it isn’t the town it was back then.  It’s tame as hell now, like a pretty, somewhat playful, very expensive dog.  Back then you could love it or hate it, but it was never dull.  You can still find anything and everything there, it’s still open 24 hours a day, and it is still incredibly diverse, but it isn’t wide open like it was.  You can’t buy a bag of toot in Bryant Park on your lunch hour now, or smoke a joint while sitting on a wall next to the Fifth Avenue Library, the Halloween Parade is no longer a gay-dominated, outrageous spectacle, and the Lone Star closed in 1989.  *sigh*

Huge towers that don’t actually exist and are purely symbolic and which wingnuts obsess over? Huge towers that symbolize manly American manliness? Big huge towers that used to proudly jut above the cityscape?

Those towers? Why would wingnuts be so very, very anxious about the integrity of manly symbolic towers like those?

They’re not phallic, if they were we would see Sarah Palin having a scale model built and she would rub against it.  If anything this is waving the bloody shirt they largely caused by the policies in the Middle East and utter lack of altruistic nation-building.  They throw up 9/11 as the bloody shirt to rally votes and it is a shame it still works.  This was done one hundred and thirty years ago and the republicans still can’t resist the bloody shirt. 

On the topic of the gay bar, hopefully it works.  Gay people need watering holes to.

Oh, dear!
If the gay bar that totally doesn’t exist in NYC opens, then the Islamists will get all Christian dominionist on the gays, ultimately stoning and beheading the fabulistas right in the streets of NY.  This, obviously, will result in a traffic clogging march of transvestites in the streets and a bloody battle between scimitar and chardonnay-scented corkscrew will ensue.  I, a poor knee-jerk liberal, will not know whether to protect the innocent people being stoned and beheaded in the streets or the religious minority doing the murdering, and will have to be medicated and sent to the fainting couch while the NRA sorts it all out. 

I swear, how do these people settle disputes between their children if they can’t conceive of basic principals of justice?  We, as liberals, defend the right of free peaceful assembly.  When a group of citizens tries to prevent other people from enjoying that same right, we oppose them.  This is not rocket surgery!

I’m completly not up to date on this ‘Twitter’ thingee. I’ve found a way to see Amanda’s writings without having to register to the service, but is there any easy way to see what the flying monkeys are writing to her? I have a morbid interest, in the ‘look at this car wreck’ style.

“Fucking Twitter, how does it work?” 

I hear you. I can’t make heads or tails of Twitter.  Maybe it just needs to get off my lawn, or something.

Well, it wasn’t the last time I went.  That parade is now HUGE and mainstream.  I happened on it by chance when it was just the third one they had.  My date (not Mrs DBK) and I came out of Yakima, a little Japanese restaurant on 12th Street, after dinner and there it was.  It was small then and you could walk right up to the barricade.  Hardly drew much of a crowd, at least not where we were down by Washington Square.  Mrs DBK and I went to the parade about three or four years ago.  You could barely move around for the crowd and we hardly saw the parade because we couldn’t get within six feet of the barricade.  It was no fun anymore for us.

Some of my favorite NYC memories involve everything.  I live in Minnesota now and, while I like Minneapolis, it isn’t a patch on the city.

Wait, why is my liberal head supposed to explode if someone opens a gay bar adjacent to Cordoba House?

Because you godless homos want nothing better than to forcefully impose Islamic law that condemns gay people to death.

....,we get the stupid because we’re scaredy-cats who routinely piss ourselves like incontinent drunken babies and we’re afraid of our own shadows…

Thanks for the nasal coffee flush.  Now I need a new keyboard.

But, “drunken” babies?  Gilding the lily, man.    (lol)

I swear, how do these people settle disputes between their children if they can’t conceive of basic principals of justice?

Have you MET their children? I don’t think that principles of justice enter into it much.

I swear, how do these people settle disputes between their children if they can’t conceive of basic principals of justice?

I wonder this constantly. I can’t count the number of times a day I remind my three year old that his sister is her own person with her own thoughts and feelings, or that he can’t force his friend to play what he wants, or that if I tell him I don’t want to eat something, he can’t force it into my mouth, or that he can only control himself, and everyone else gets to control themselves too.

This is not pushing a liberal agenda on my child, this is getting him civilized enough to attend school. And I’m quite sure that even the wingnuttiest, quiverfull-est mom in the country has the same conversations with her toddlers so that her little arrows of god don’t kill each other. Even though as adults they don’t believe a word of these basic rules of childhood.

I wonder if people are thinking the Twin Towers were an office park like Mobil near DC* and Cordoba House will e the only, or at least most prominent, building for quite some distance around.

I mean, I live here, I went to school in the area, so it never occurred to me to see it like that, but if people do see it like that I guess the anti position is a bit more coherent. Doesn’t make it less bigoted, but at least the words make sense. I mean, the only way to oppose this without (admitting to) having a problem with Islam in general is to say there shouldn’t be anything but cenotaphy in an X-block radius, but if you think that’s already the case it’s not so weird.

*First corporate headquarters fitting the description GIS spit out.

I’m completly not up to date on this ‘Twitter’ thing
Comment 33—BlackBloc

I never understood why this is considered something to brag about.

Wait, why is my liberal head supposed to explode if someone opens a gay bar adjacent to Cordoba House?
Comment 35—Lolagirl

Best I can tell, it’s because a notorious act of terrorism by a fringe gay group killed thousands of Muslims, whose friends and relatves the Cordoba Initiative claims to speak for.