Damn!  Just damn!

i have often mused that many of the fundies are poster children for abortion

if only they had been…

God, I love this quote from the Media Matters link: “In fact, Obama has never supported giving people the right to kill their children.”

If that don’t just sum this whole election up…

I’m imagining a legion of wingnut mothers out there, just sitting around sharpening their knittin’ needles and waiting for 160th trimester abortions to be legalized.

I thought that was a South Park episode.

I thought that was a South Park episode.

Actually, it’s been a Monty Python sketch.

Mother: “Do you give abortions?”
Doctor: “Yes, we do that here. How many months along are you?”
Mother: “Let me see - how old are you, Nigel?”
Nigel: [picking nose] “Uh, 15?”
Mother: “Hmm - 180 months, Doctor.”

So would they consider a suicide attempt to be the fetus trying to self-abort? Huh? Not getting the thinking here… wow.

(I have family who did commit suicide, so am not trying to be funny or glib)

If abortion = bad then it follows that bad = abortion, right? So anything bad must be abortion.

And don’t you love how “this is stupid and unnecessary legislation” becomes “supporting” whatever the proponents claim it is about? I’m sure the only reason that law was proposed was specifically for the purpose of tarring anyone who helped shoot it down - for the children.

I’m surprised the Democrats would nominate a skinny, baby-killing, uppity, socialist, white-wife-stealing, madrassa-trained-Muslim, “halfrican”, Paris and Britny-ish, birth-certificate-forger! This election campaign is sickening

The left is operating under a severe handicap, as always. Bush was perfectly willing to let Rove destroy McCain’s 2000 primary challenge by using robo-calls that hinted McCain had an illegitimate mixed-breed child - can you imagine Obama doing the same thing? Now the evil marketing genius is working for McCain so we have to know there is no level to which he won’t stoop.

It doesn’t matter what the polls say - I’ll be stunned if a black man wins the presidency.

As a good liberal I have always advocated free abortion on demand through the fourth trimester at least.

Sounds to me like Corsi is trying to push the “partial-birth abortion” and “abortion = murdering cute widdle babies!!!1!” lines a little further, and imply that “partial-birth abortions” in fact constitute the killing of post-delivery, living infants.

World O’Crap had a Pastor Swank column where he talked about Obama supporting “post birth abortions”, but I just assumed that Swank was being his normal, incoherent, bat-shit insane self.

Good lord, is Sean Hannity getting talking points from Pastor Fucking SWANK now? If he starts babbling about “homo-nups” and “womb babies”, we’ll know for sure.

IIRC, it’s based on a case that happened in Illinois where early labor was induced to abort a fetus with major defects.  When it was born breathing, the nurse was told to stash it in a closet until it died.

Now, this is ALREADY covered by Illinois law—what the hospital did was neglect at best, infanticide at worst.  But the forced-birthers saw an opening to try and pass a law that would “outlaw” something that was already illegal, but sneak a few anti-abortion provisions in there as well.  Fortunately, most of the Illinois legislators—including Obama—saw the bill for what it was and voted it down.

But, hey, Obama is just as pro-life as McCain, so it makes no difference which one you vote for since they’re both equally likely to ban abortion.  Some PUMAs told me so.

Next we’ll hear that Obama eats babies.

http://www.jonco48.com/blog/baby_20burger.jpg

I think smadin has the answer.

Corsi’s clearly referring to Obama’s opposition to restrictions on D&X;or ICD medical procedures, framed by anti-women’s groups as the so-called “partial-birth abortion”.

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How would that work? Similar to putting down a pet. Some of us do believe that a mother should have a grace period after birth during which they can kill their own infant for medical reasons.

I thought there was something wrong with that smoothie I made this morning.  Thanks for straightening that one out, Amanda.

Just have to say here that it’s a good thing the Republican anti-abortionists are generally such absolutists that it’s easy to not vote for them for abortion rights reasons.  (I could list a few other reasons not to vote for them, but this is an abortion thread.)  If there were more of them who were actually okay with abortion early in the pregnancy and not okay later, then they could make some serious political ground.  Luckily, that supposedly-incoherent—to anti-abortion folks—position (which seems to poll well, if I’m not too mistaken,) isn’t taken by very many anti-abortion politicians since it doesn’t seem to win in the primaries.  Unluckily, some Democrats do seem to embrace it at times.

Bottom line: it’s a good thing that most extremists are extreme.

Mnemosyne:

Depending on what the major defects were, “neglect at best” probably isn’t accurate. (Hospitals with terminal highly-premature infants of whatever source are in a terrible bind, because palliative pain meds will seriously hasten death, and at the same time it’s worse than immoral to prolong such an infant’s suffering if you know they’re going to die soon.)

So how many months is Corsi?

Depending on what the major defects were, “neglect at best” probably isn’t accurate.

When the nurse is told to stash the baby in a closet until it dies naturally, I think “neglect” is the kindest word you can use.  Assuming the nurse is telling the truth, the hospital violated Illinois state law.

It’s hard to find the story on non-wingnutty sites since it includes the oh-so-tearful claims of the nurse in the case, but a blog at the Chicago Tribune covered it pretty well during the senate race in 2004.  It’s all over the righty blogosphere, though, so it’s something people should be aware is out there.  The claim is has enough specifics that it might sound bad to someone who doesn’t actually know the entire story and why Obama voted against the legislation.

Palliative care that hastens inevitable death, fine. Shove it in a closet until it dies, not fine.

Palliative care that hastens inevitable death is fine morally, but will get you indicted for murder in any jurisdiction with a prosecutor who’s a wingnut, or just one who wants to grab headlines. Under the best of circumstances, babies delivered very early are either in pain or unconscious, and any drug that renders them unconscious will probably stop their hearts. “Stash it in a closet” sounds terrible. “Put it in a warm dark place where it won’t be disturbed” is essentially indistinguishable.

(I know I’m biased as the father of a kid born early; I can’t imagine putting any creature through the misery that is much of neonatal intensive care unless it had a chance at longterm survival.)