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I guess we have to call them “Sharia tomatoes” now

I’ve been told that Chris Christie is too imperious and too much of a bully to win the Republican nomination, and my feeling on that is that Republicans like imperious bullies (see: John McCain), so I don’t see how that could hurt him. I mean, it will in the general, but not so much in the primary.  But he hasn’t learned the most important lesson of being a Republican favorite, which is that no matter how sure of yourself you may be, if you refuse to pander to bigots, you’re screwed.  McCain knew this; he changed his position on immigration to the one that most appealed to people who flip out if they hear someone speaking in Spanish in public.  But Christie’s gone and appointed a Muslim to the state bench of New Jersey, and the wingnuts are freaking out, sure this is a sign that sharia law is imminent.  Adam Serwer:

The case against Mohammed—if you care to tumble down that rabbit hole—is that he’s represented people accused of ties to terrorism. The “stealth jihad” crew, despite ostensibly being concerned about the secular rule of law being subverted by Islamic fundamentalists, don’t actually believe in the presumption of innocence, or in providing legal representation to Muslims accused of crimes.

Sohail Mohammed defended some men who were caught up in post-9/11 secret sweeps looking for potential terrorists, and most of them were innocent of the accusation of having ties to terrorism.  “Innocent” is a key word here when understanding how completely ridiculous the wingnut reaction is, though grown-ups have to also point out that even if they’re not innocent, they have a right to a legal defense, like anyone else accused of a crime.  Basically, the tattered remains of the once-powerful 101st Fighting Keyboardists don’t believe that there is a difference between “Muslim” and “terrorist”. 

So now, according to the warbloggers, New Jersey is about to turn into Iran.

  – In a widely linked post, “Governor Christie’s Dirty Islamist Ties,” blogger Daniel Greenfield writes that “New Jersey, the Garden State, has just taken its first step toward becoming the Sharia State,” and criticized Christie for being “willing to stand up to the teacher’s union, but not to the terrorist’s union.”

  – Hate blogger Pamela Gellar, in a post titled “Governor Christie’s Hamas Pick for Superior Judgeship,” declared Christie’s political career over: “Governor Christie looked and sounded like he could be presidential. He’s not. He’s in bed with the enemy. All the other stuff doesn’t matter if you don’t have your freedom.”

  – At Commentary magazine, Jonathan S. Tobin wrote a post about Christie’s “troubling appointment,” and charged that Christie’s “appointment of Sohail Mohammed to the court shows that his judgment on the issue of support for terrorism is highly questionable.”

  – The Investigative Project on Terrorism warned Christie’s appointment of an “Islamist” to a judgeship “betrays either naivete or calculation. Either is troubling.”

  – PowerLine blog took extra pains to note that “The attorney’s name is Mohammed, first name Sohail — Sohail Mohammed.”

I, for one, cannot wait for the farmer’s market to have the crescents to indicate which tomatoes are sharia tomatoes.  All that radical juiciness!

I think it’s time to start a Republican nomination index.  Measure all the potential candidates against each other, see who is ahead which week, etc.  My money is still on Christie getting it, but this has weakened the case, and I feel Pawlenty is now ahead.  But watch out for dark horse Huckabee.

Who should be on such an index?  Maybe creating a graphic for it would be a good idea.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 02:34 PM • (70) Comments

It’s a bit sad when half of our major political parties consider “Not bigoted enough” to be disqualification worthy. I’m sure some conservative will be along to point out how we wouldn’t support a Christian that demanded we impose biblical law on everyone by force. Then they’ll insist it’s the exact same thing.

On the plus side: Hijabs for the entire cast of Jersey shore.

Comment #1: JThompson  on  01/22  at  03:29 PM

My money’s still on Barbour.  The GOP needs to make clear to its base that if there is a black President, they’ll at least go down swinging.

Comment #2: Punditus Maximus  on  01/22  at  03:31 PM

“Sharia Tomatoes” - best rock band name ever?

Comment #3: Jeff  on  01/22  at  03:33 PM

“The Investigative Project on Terrorism warned Christie’s appointment of an “Islamist” to a judgeship “betrays either naivete or calculation. Either is troubling.””

This is my favorite bit.  Either he’s not thinking about the consequences of his actions, or he IS thinking about them—both are equally bad!

Comment #4: David Paul  on  01/22  at  03:39 PM

2012 will see either Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee winning the party nomination. And of those two, the only one who could win the general election would be Mitt Romney, and only if the economy is still as much in the toilet as it is right now.

The GOP loves retreads, and if you go through the history of Republican presidential nominees over the past 50 years, every single one since Barry Goldwater had either previously been POTUS or VPOTUS or ran for POTUS or VPOTUS at least once before getting nominated, with only one exception, George W. Bush.

The field of major GOP candidates will be Chris Christie, Tim Pawlenty, Mitch Daniels, John Thune, Mike Pence, Newt Gingrich, Mike Huckabee, and Mitt Romney, and one ultra conservative Republican woman whose name is not Sarah Palin - Michele Bachmann.

Palin will continue to dance around the subject as long as she can, because even the possibility that she might run makes her earning potential higher. When it finally comes time for her to publicly make a decision, she’ll stand down, but maintain her role as the most sought after endorsement in the party. She’s an idiot, but not a total idiot. She knows that she has absolutely no realistic shot of winning the general election, even if she could pull off the GOP nomination, and a crushing defeat in the presidential election would possibly destroy her earning potential.

Bachmann is all but announcing her intention to run by pompously presenting her own “Tea Party” rebuttal to President Obama’s SOTU Address this Tuesday, even though the GOP has already tapped Rep. Paul Ryan to give the official party rebuttal. If it’s possible for another nationally-known wingnut politician to actually be dumber than Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann is that person. She’ll run for POTUS because she genuinely has the delusional belief that she could actually win. Her campaign will be absolutely decimated by the South Carolina primary at the latest, perhaps even New Hampshire or Iowa. But she may pull a Huckabee and refuse to drop out, even long after it’s obvious to everyone but her that she’s finished.

Christie’s 2012 chances are dead because of this nomination, but if he keeps his word and doesn’t actually run, he may resurface as a contender in 2016, assuming Obama gets re-elected in 2012.

Comment #5: DTGslu2K  on  01/22  at  03:43 PM

And it won’t be the lack of fanatical anti-Muslim rhetoric that’ll do in Christie - it’ll be the fact that he isn’t sufficiently homobigoted.

Comment #6: Jeff  on  01/22  at  03:45 PM

I think Romney would have a tough time in both the primaries and the general election, simply because he’s a Mormon and no matter how much he panders the bigots, the bigots still won’t want him as POTUS.  Having bigots as your base is a risky venture because it’s so easy for them to become bigoted towards you.  That’s the same reason that I think Palin could never win the presidency.  I just don’t think the Republican party is ready to elect one of their token characters to the highest possible position.

Comment #7: bananacat  on  01/22  at  03:53 PM

The attorney’s name is Mohammed, first name Sohail — Sohail Mohammed.”

at which point, Sohail Mohammed blows their minds by making out with Debbie Entendre and sipping a martini.

Comment #8: karpad  on  01/22  at  04:00 PM

Perhaps he’s thinking that with so many right wing crazies running for the Republican nomination, they might split that side and a relative moderate might be able to win? That’s certainly what Romney is thinking (Romney will say whatever he thinks is most likely to get him elected).

Comment #9: JohnL  on  01/22  at  04:51 PM

I think Romney would have a tough time in both the primaries and the general election, simply because he’s a Mormon and no matter how much he panders the bigots, the bigots still won’t want him as POTUS. 

This is one of those cases where it becomes obvious to me that the right wing is correct about something—the beltway chattering classes, including the press are out of touch with “middle America.” They simply have no idea the degree to which Mormons are regarded as “not really Christian,” much more so than Catholics ever were in the last century. I assume that Christie is similarly out of touch with anti-Muslim sentiment among the right-wing base.

Comment #10: Tyro  on  01/22  at  05:00 PM

Romney?  Of Romneycare fame?  From Taxachusetts?  The Brighamyoungadeen?  Yeah, he’ll get the Republican nomination on two of the six planes of Bizarroworld.

The GOP nomination process has been changed a bit to try to end the Palincidal urges of the party, but there’s no milquetoast Christian Southerner this year other than Jeb Bush.  And the Bush thing—no matter how important that family has been to the GOP since Nixon—is at an end.  Not that he won’t run in 2016.

Palin will be on the ticket again, probably again in the second spot where she’ll be all-too happy with a job that doesn’t require much actual work but will still allow for her to be on camera as much as she likes.  It will be the generic Southern Republican in their top spot: Jim DeMint.

As for Christie, he’d be a shoo-in if he was from Louisiana and there weren’t conservative Muslims around him to nominate.  Little did he know that putting a conservative Muslim who cares about the law would lead to such hysterics, but he should have known that the loons of his party really do care about their theocratic intents and don’t want any of those Jews or Muslims or even Mormons getting in the way of that Christian Old Testament justice stuff.

Comment #11: 3letterjon  on  01/22  at  05:05 PM

Pawlenty is favored in the long run I think. He’s the candidate that divides the Republicans the least.

Comment #12: Ben D.  on  01/22  at  05:08 PM

The attorney’s name is Mohammed, first name Sohail — Sohail Mohammed.

And so a pun that wouldn’t even make sense in Arabic is somehow supposed to be significant.

Comment #13: Mike Crichton  on  01/22  at  06:28 PM

I predict the Republican nominee will be vocally anti-abortion, vocally pro-states-rights, against restrictions on gun sales/ownership, against immigration, strongly favor of a balanced Federal Budget, will vow to cut spending and cut taxes, will be in favor of ending earmarks, will vow to keep America strong, will be vigorously in favor of winning whatever wars we’re in at the moment, profess a great love and admiration for Americans in uniform, will be an outsider who wants to end “politics as usual” in Washington, a person who is not in the pockets of the “special interests”, will be in favor of reducing government regulations and red-tape, believes that there might be Global Warming but denies it’s caused by human activity and believes “the jury is still out” and “the science is inconclusive”, wants to open up oil-drilling everywhere there isn’t a strong Republican group that doesn’t want it in their backyard, strongly supports the small businessman in America, wants to put America back on the right track, believes there is a set of unchanging moral principles that form the basis of any legitimate government, strongly supports the American Family, loves the sinner but hates the sin, will be against same-sex marriage, in favor of DADT, will be against the use of the filibuster by Democrats and in favor of the use of the filibuster by Republicans, will be against “Judicial Activism” and “Legislating From the Bench”, admires Antonin Scalia and wants to appoint more justices like him, supports the aims of the “Tea Party”, admires and claims to be and claims to represent “Real Americans” as opposed to coastal-dwelling liberals, strongly claims to be a fervent Christian (regardless of actual church attendance), loves and admires and values American women while decrying feminism, will profess a great love for Ronald Reagan, and will be a white male.

I know I’m kind of going out on a limb with my predictions, but sometimes you have to be bold…

Comment #14: MikeEss  on  01/22  at  07:05 PM

This New Hampshire GOP annual meeting’s straw poll has Romney ahead - a lot - at 35%.

http://politicalscoop.wmur.com/results-wmur-abc-news-nh-gop-2012-straw-poll

Comment #15: teac  on  01/22  at  07:08 PM

Why is everybody ignoring the pizza tycoon? Feel the Cainmentum!

Comment #16: Woodrowfan  on  01/22  at  07:21 PM

The Mormon thing is going to eat him up.  But if Romney gets it, we need to start a website of Puppies For Obama, highlighting Romney’s “hilarious” dog torturing story.

Comment #17: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/22  at  07:22 PM

As I think about this, this seems to be yet another example of Christian projection. I have a feeling that many evangelicals think the Bible trumps our laws and so believe that other people think the same way. Of course, it could be the usual race baiting.

Comment #18: JohnL  on  01/22  at  07:33 PM

The terrorists have a union? What do you suppose they bargain for?

Comment #19: scrumby  on  01/22  at  07:58 PM

While the reasons they choose for eating their own are indeed reprehensible, given their choice of target, I say “Bon Appetit”.

Comment #20: Left_Wing_Fox  on  01/22  at  08:02 PM

“The terrorists have a union? What do you suppose they bargain for?”

...better wages, shorter hours, more vacation, better medical coverage, more virgins in the afterlife — you know, the usual stuff every union fights for…

Comment #21: MikeEss  on  01/22  at  08:16 PM

“You’re a suicide bomber!  You don’t need comprehensive medical!”

“Well, then it won’t cost you much to provide it then, will it?”

Comment #22: Punditus Maximus  on  01/22  at  09:02 PM

Why is everybody ignoring the pizza tycoon? Feel the Cainmentum!

Because he’s a black guy, and it’s a lot easier to get a token GOP black guy elected to head the RNC (when it’s decided by less than 200 people) than it is to get a token GOP black guy elected President of the United States (when it requires millions of racist white people to vote for you).

Alan Keyes, Part Deux. That’s why.

Comment #23: DTGslu2K  on  01/22  at  09:07 PM

What’s worse is that Christie is wearing French cuffs in that photo. Does this man know no decency?!

Comment #24: inkybrain  on  01/22  at  09:14 PM

It will never be Huckabeee.  He once raised taxes. This makes him utterly unacceptable to the folks who control the GOP process (I tried to come up with anything like an analogous absolute litmus test for national Democratic candidates, but, sad so say, there really isn’t one at this point. I’d like to have said “supporting torture” or “favoring cuts to Social Security,” but I honestly can’t.)

Oh and inkybrain, those are freedom cuffs that Gov. Christie is wearing!

Comment #25: Ben Alpers  on  01/22  at  09:24 PM

This New Hampshire GOP annual meeting’s straw poll has Romney ahead

It won’t hurt him too much in New England, but it will kill him out here in Talibangelical AmuriKKKa.

Comment #26: DrDick  on  01/22  at  09:34 PM

The attorney’s name is Mohammed, first name Sohail — Sohail Mohammed.

And so a pun that wouldn’t even make sense in Arabic is somehow supposed to be significant.
Comment #13: Mike Crichton on 01/22 at 05:28 PM

Again, we see the far right’s belief that words have magical meanings, such as their belief that witchcraft and hexes are actually real.

Also, they’re the ones who think “Obummer” is trenchant and clever.

Comment #27: oldfeminist  on  01/22  at  09:43 PM

It won’t hurt him too much in New England, but it will kill him out here in Talibangelical AmuriKKKa.

His biggest test will be Iowa - he must win the first race out of the gate or he’s toast.

From there it gets easier, but he must win both New Hampshire and Nevada - Nevada Republicans are pretty wingnutty, but that is one of the few states where his religious background could be an asset rather than a liability. Nevada is one of the four biggest Mormon states per capita in the country (along with Utah, Wyoming, and Idaho).

If he can win Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada and avoids total humiliation in South Carolina (he won’t win, but he only needs to not get blown out), he’ll win the party nomination, because almost everybody else will have dropped out by then.

For better or worse, the presidential nomination process has been structured in such a way that you don’t have to win over most states, you just have to win over most of the earliest states to hold their primaries and caucuses. The 44th President was determined on one night in January 2008 in Iowa when Obama defeated Clinton for the first victory. President Obama himself has stated that he does not think he would have won the nomination without Iowa, because he was an underdog heading into that night and would have remained an underdog afterwards. He had to beat Hillary Clinton in the very first contest to have a chance to win the nomination over her. he wouldn’t have even made it past Super Tuesday otherwise. There is no doubt in my mind that had Hillary Clinton won Iowa, she would be the president today.

If Romney can pull off an upset in Iowa, he has a chance at the nomination. But that has to happen, or his days of running for POTUS are over.

Comment #28: DTGslu2K  on  01/22  at  10:01 PM

What’s worse is that Christie is wearing French cuffs in that photo. Does this man know no decency?!

AND a square-faced watch.

Comment #29: teac  on  01/22  at  10:37 PM

I for one love the Republicans eating each other for stupid things like this.

Comment #30: Albert Cirrus  on  01/22  at  10:42 PM

Can “sharia tomatoes” be used in pasta sauce?

Comment #31: teac  on  01/22  at  11:25 PM

Can “sharia tomatoes” be used in pasta sauce?

As long as you do not use wine or pork in it.

Comment #32: DrDick  on  01/22  at  11:30 PM

Holy crap Eliminationist is like a walking exhibition of Poe’s Law.  I literally cannot tell.

Comment #33: Punditus Maximus  on  01/22  at  11:58 PM

naw, thats stick rule come to stink up the thread with gettin’ his hispanic hate on.  I bet a hawt latina laughed in his face when he tried some of his smoove PUA moves on her, and he’s been bitter ever since.

Comment #34: kitten parade  on  01/23  at  12:16 AM

Tomatoes?

I don’t get the tomato reference.

Comment #35: Crissa  on  01/23  at  02:24 AM

Eliminationist… eliminated.

Comment #36: Matt T.  on  01/23  at  02:43 AM

Crissa, New Jersey is famous for its tomatoes.  It is the Garden State.

Comment #37: speedbudget  on  01/23  at  09:57 AM

Mormons don’t seem to understand that in the Christian hate continuum they are maybe a step above undocumented workers and half a step above Muslims, but Christians still hate them.  Romney has no chance at the nomination, my money is on Palin as the nominee, after all she pisses off liberals and speaks the language of hating the other, better than almost anyone.

Comment #38: John Rove  on  01/23  at  12:26 PM

Wait, God reads Marvel comics?  I totally had him pegged as a DC fan…

Comment #39: Sour Kraut  on  01/23  at  01:24 PM

The biggest problem the Republican Party faces in 2012 is the dirty little secret the party insiders won’t say out loud. The Tea Party has become both the biggest asset and biggest liability for the GOP. They cannot win the White House without teabaggers, but too much vocal teabagger support is going to drive away everyone in the center.

Mitt Romney is the perfect candidate if the goal is to attract more of the mushy middle of the American electorate - nobody in the GOP field has more moderate appeal than Romney.

But the base can’t stand him. In some ways, this could be very similar to 2008 - the wingnut base absolutely hated John McCain (Ann Coulter even went so far as saying she would vote for Hillary Clinton over McCain), so Sarah Palin was brought on board to excite the apathetic base. She was wildly successful in getting the wingnuts amped up and drawing huge crowds of unhinged lunatics out to McCain-Palin rallies in September and October 2008, but she also drove away just about every single fence-sitting moderate who hadn’t yet decided whether they would vote for McCain or Obama.

Nominate Sarah Palin, and the wingnut base will have a massive collective hategasm of euphoria, and not a single centrist voter who is frustrated and/or disappointed with the first Obama term will vote Republican. Nominate Mitt Romney, and a lot of the so-called “Obamacan” voters from 2008 are likely to switch their vote back to the Republican ticket, but the base will be utterly apathetic and unenthused.

It’s a huge Catch-22 for them, because it’s gonna be very difficult to find a candidate who pleases both the rabid lunatic base and enough of the centrist swing vote to pull off the victory. Things are going to have to remain really, really bad with the economy for the GOP to have a realistic shot at winning in 2012, and even then, it’s still gonna be a tought battle.

Comment #40: DTGslu2K  on  01/23  at  01:36 PM

Fortunately for them, our Establishment Media will do everything in its power to mainstream Teabagger opinion.

Comment #41: Punditus Maximus  on  01/23  at  02:24 PM

Like all presidential elections featuring an incumbent, 2012 will be a referendum on the current occupant of the White House and his administration. This is both a disadvantage and an advantage for the GOP.

The disadvantage is that incumbents enjoy tremendous natural advantages.  Since World War II, seven of ten incumbent presidents seeking reelection have won it.

The advantage for the GOP is that the results of the election will probably not turn on who they nominate.  So the very real dilemma that roscoe3680 describes above is much less salient than it was in 2008.  If things are bad enough in 2012 that Obama is very vulnerable, any GOP nominee—even Sarah Palin or someone like her—might be able to capture the presidency.

Comment #42: Ben Alpers  on  01/23  at  04:58 PM

The advantage for the GOP is that the results of the election will probably not turn on who they nominate.

I generally agree with your point, but think Palin is an exception to the rule (Bachmann would also probably be one), as her negatives are so high right now (and the trend is downward) that I think she would alienate all but the most hardcore wingers.  The problem for the Republicans right now is that they have a substantial number of whackjobs who are so far out of the mainstream that they could negate the natural advantage.

Comment #43: DrDick  on  01/23  at  05:11 PM

New Jersey is famous for its adjacency to New York, its superfund sites, grey skies of suburbia and desolation of anything else.

I don’t think tomatoes rate so high.  But I suppose they’d rather be known for tomatoes.

But California grows more and better tomatoes.  Not useful for people who live on the east coast, I suppose…

Comment #44: Crissa  on  01/23  at  07:29 PM

So the wingers are upset that Christie failed to apply a religious test for public office.  How dare he do something constitutional!

Comment #45: Nutella  on  01/23  at  07:59 PM

@Crissa: Actually, tomatoes don’t rate so high because NJ is famous for its cranberries and blueberries.

Also, you forgot our mafia history and our thriving college student export industry.

Comment #46: thecynicalromantic  on  01/23  at  08:06 PM

Nominate Sarah Palin, and the wingnut base will have a massive collective hategasm of euphoria, and not a single centrist voter who is frustrated and/or disappointed with the first Obama term will vote Republican. Nominate Mitt Romney, and a lot of the so-called “Obamacan” voters from 2008 are likely to switch their vote back to the Republican ticket, but the base will be utterly apathetic and unenthused.

I can imagine Plain being a VP nominee.  I can also imagine that if they win, the new Republican President’s security detail will have to watch her really really closely…

Comment #47: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/23  at  08:55 PM

As a Californian who once loved a girl from New Jersey, I must say that they do have some lovely landscapes and there is some agriculture aside from the cran and blue berries mentioned as well.

That said, a state that can’t trust the citizendry to pump their own gas clearly still has a few problems that need fixing.

Comment #48: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  01/23  at  09:18 PM

When I think of cranberries, I think of Oregon.  But I’m biased, I went on a school trip to what became Misty Meadows in Bandon while we lived down there.  Yes, the one featured on Dirty Jobs.  Try their unsweetened cranberry jam… Oh, that stuff is heavenly.

But I thought Maine and Minnesota grew most of the nation’s cranberries and blueberries.

Comment #49: Crissa  on  01/23  at  09:18 PM

Cranberries need bogs, blueberries not so much. 

Blueberries usually need cold weather, but there are some warm weather varieties that are grown here in CA.

From the Wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blueberry

Growing areas

Significant production of highbush blueberries occurs in British Columbia, Maryland, Michigan, New Jersey, North Carolina, and Washington. The production of southern highbush varieties in California is rapidly increasing, as varieties originating from the University of Florida and North Carolina State University have been introduced. Southern highbush berries are now also cultivated in the Mediterranean regions of Europe, Southern Hemisphere countries and China


They need alkaline soil, one of these days I’m gonna get one in a container one because I’m not going to try to turn adobe hardpan dirt alkaline, that’s above my pay scale.

Comment #50: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  01/23  at  09:41 PM

DA I grow blueberries in pots for similar reasons (my soil is pretty much clay). I live in a climate very similar to california; coolish wettish winters, hottish dryish summers - no snow or even very heavy frosts. A landscape gardiner i know told me to add pine needles around the base of the blueberries to change the pH of the soil. Since I’ve been doing that I’ve had magnificent crops of blueberries each year. You need a pretty big container but otherwise regular watering, a bit of food twice a year and the pine needles and sunshine seem to do the rest. It’s quite a pretty plant too, lovely autumn colours.

Comment #51: JC  on  01/23  at  11:02 PM

If you fly in during the harvest in October, and approach Boston from the south, there is a huge swath of red through much of Rhode Island and Southeastern MA.  That’s all Cranberries.

Crissa, I’ve been to Bandon, too.  Oregon also doesn’t have pump-your-own gas, either.

Comment #52: Ms Kate  on  01/23  at  11:13 PM

It will never be Huckabeee.  He once raised taxes.

Worse, he paroled a criminal who went on to murder four police officers in a cold-blooded ambush. I don’t think that will play very well with the law-and-order, throw-away-the-key crowd.

Comment #53: Bitter Scribe  on  01/23  at  11:52 PM

In addition to pine needles, other soil acidifiers are helpful for blueberries, such as peat moss (though this is not renewable) and elemental sulfur (which is less likely to burn the plants than aluminum sulfate).  Southern Minnesota’s soil is alkaline, making it difficult to grow blueberries or cranberries, but I’m trying anyway, while starting jostaberries and raspberries so I have some things more likely to be successful.

(Sorry for the derail.)

Comment #54: Karla  on  01/24  at  12:09 AM

Blueberries need alkaline?  Well, then I ought to make sure not to mix my potted blueberries with my redwood blueberries!

I have lots of pine needles.

Comment #55: Crissa  on  01/24  at  02:25 AM

Wait, one person said alkaline, the other said acid.  That’s you know, the opposite o-o

We had a great crop of both types of blueberries this year, though mostly the redwood kind picked out in the woods.  Our side of the hill isn’t so good for that kind.  We mostly harvested mushrooms from our garden.

Comment #56: Crissa  on  01/24  at  02:28 AM

I grew up on the coast.  Oregon, then Washington.  I liked Oregon better.

Comment #57: Crissa  on  01/24  at  02:29 AM

It’s a huge Catch-22 for them, because it’s gonna be very difficult to find a candidate who pleases both the rabid lunatic base and enough of the centrist swing vote to pull off the victory.
Comment 42—roscoe

I think that was a major problem for them in NY last year. Cuomo had been polling ahead of mainstream Republican Rick Lazio, but Lazio wouldn’t have gotten the 30-point drubbing Paladino got—centrists and non-TP Republicans who would have voted for Lazio either went for Cuomo or stayed home. But a core group of Paladino voters would have voted for him on the Taxpayer line if Lazio had been the GOP candidate.

New Jersey is famous for its adjacency to New York, its superfund sites, grey skies of suburbia and desolation of anything else.
I don’t think tomatoes rate so high.  But I suppose they’d rather be known for tomatoes.
Comment 46—Crissa

I’m a native Brooklynite, and the three things I associate with New Jersey are suburbs, tomatoes, and my girlfriend.

Comment #58: Hershele Ostropoler  on  01/24  at  03:22 AM

Every now and again I find myself wondering if I read too many American lefty blogs.  Surely the American right wing can’t be quite that bad, can they?

And then shit like this happens and the truth comes crashing in - yes, the American right wing really is that preposterous, ignorant, bigoted and powerful.

You have my sympathies.

Comment #59: Katherine  on  01/24  at  06:53 AM

Don’t diss Jersey too much. I read this book, partly because my mom hails from near the Jersey end of the George Washington Bridge.

http://www.amazon.com/MEADOWLANDS-WILDERNESS-ADVENTURES-EDGE-CITY/dp/0684832852

The author wandered the great swamp that is the New Jersey Meadowlands in a canoe for several years. Very worth reading, even for someone who’s never really been there except to go to a Giants game and to drive down the turnpike.

Comment #60: witless chum  on  01/24  at  11:04 AM

Romney needs to be on the index.  I think he will join the fray.  I don’t think he’ll take the primaries.

New Jersy has long been the source of most “local” fresh produce in the NYC boroughs, at least in the warmer months.  It’s called the Garden State for a reason. 
We get CA tomatoes from time to time in the NE, but they tend to be those pseudo-tomato things with all the taste drained from them.  The Florida ones are a little better, but not much.  The varieties needed for shipping degrade in flovor with distance/time required.

True blueberries need acidic soils.  Many berries similar to true blueberries and often called xxxxx blueberries may not.

Comment #61: helen w. h.  on  01/24  at  11:05 AM

Ben @25, I think the thing about Hucckabee is that he really believes a bunch of the stuff he says, like you should help the poor and all that, so he scares the shit out of some of those “i’ve-got-mine-so-screw-you” GOPers.

Comment #62: helen w. h.  on  01/24  at  11:16 AM

helen w. h.  and others, thanks for correcting my mistake, of course, I’d have to used lime to acidify the soil for blueberries to grow in it.

Sorry, everyone, mea maxima culpa, please.

Thanks for the pine needle tip, as we have a tall pine tree that was originally 6 inches tall for a Christmas mini-pine, so now I know what to use that I already have on hand.

Comment #63: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  01/24  at  12:45 PM

DA, I have both wild groundcover and high bush blueberries.  All are planted near, and down slope, from pines.  I mulch the wild ones with pine needles by being lazy, I don’t rake them out and will sometimes scatter extra overthem for added winter protection. 
With the current cold, I am hoping not to have lost all my younger or less harty bushes, that hope based in part on the fact the deep snow may help protect them.  Much of my wwinter mulch protection had been blown away (and not yet replaced before the late Dec snows) in the fairly nasty wind storms we had in Nov & early Dec.

Comment #64: helen w. h.  on  01/24  at  03:30 PM

Wait, God reads Marvel comics?  I totally had him pegged as a DC fan…
Comment #41: Sour Kraut on 01/23 at 12:24 PM

The Catholic God reads Marvel, Protestant God reads DC.

Comment #65: oldfeminist  on  01/24  at  05:25 PM

Lime is to reduce acidity.

Comment #66: helen w. h.  on  01/25  at  04:30 PM

When talking about lime in agriculture, one usually means calcium carbonate - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_lime

My most common uses of “lime” are for agricultural lime, generally calcium carbonate, or burnt lime, calcium oxide, commonly used in concrete.  Unless we are talking about food, of course.  Both these items are strongely alkaline.

Comment #67: helen w. h.  on  01/25  at  04:36 PM

You’re correct again, Helen.

I saw the following on a table about using various compounds to treat the soil:

Gypsum and/or drywall CaSO4 NOT A LIMING MATERIAL

See, I finally gots something right.

Comment #68: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  01/26  at  12:37 AM

But lime re food, that is totally acidic, as well as tasty with sugar and vodka.  Or fish, rice, sweeter fruit….

Comment #69: helen w. h.  on  01/26  at  10:38 AM

Rub it in helen w.h., you Oregon types think the sun shines out your behind anyway….................

Comment #70: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  01/26  at  11:54 AM
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