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I thought this anti-Franken NRSC commercial was a joke

Then again, maybe it is. I can’t believe that they dug up these grade Z celebs:

As Ben notes, one of the celebs is washed up SNL vet Victoria Jackson, who has this ace wingnuttia about Obama up on her personal web site. Again, this is so ridiculous that it looks like satire. Alas, no.

I don’t want a political label, but Obama bears traits that resemble the anti- Christ and I’m scared to death that un-educated people will ignorantly vote him into office.

You see, what bothers me most, besides being a Communist, and a racist (Obama writes in his book, From Dreams of My Father, “I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and and animosity against my (white) mother’s race.”) (Obama’s “religion” of the last 20 years is Black Liberation Theology. What is that? “It is simply Marxism dressed up in Christian rhetoric. But unlike traditional Marxism, Black Liberation Theology emphasizes race rather than class. It’s leading theorist is James Cone who says Jesus was black, African-Americans are the chosen people, and whites are the devil. Cone says, “What we need is the destruction of whiteness, which is the source of human misery in the world.” The McAlvany Intelligence Advisor), is that he is a LIAR. He pretends to be a Christian and he incriminates himself everytime he speaks about Christianity. To lie about being a believer in Christ is very dangerous. Lightning could strike him at any minute! But seriously, he doesn’t have a clue what the Bible says and yet he pretends to be a church- going Christian to win votes. That is sooooo evil.

 

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Posted by Pam Spaulding on 09:03 AM • (62) Comments

Very few of us are famous enough to be heard, by that standard.

Comment #1: Flippanter  on  10/29  at  09:09 AM

Uh.  I never saw this creature on SNL.  Was she at all talented?

Comment #2: forked tongue  on  10/29  at  09:15 AM

IIRC, Jackson’s characters were the archetypal dumb, ditzy blonds, a latter day version of Goldie Hawn’s character in Laugh In.  It all reads like a joke and so does the ad, until the credit at the end to the Republicans.  The ice fishing joke seems particularly bent towards the Dems.  “We love ice fishing” while a guy with a fishing pole stands in a water filled swimming pool, seems like a warning about global warming.

Odd.

Comment #3: MiddleageLiberal  on  10/29  at  09:22 AM

Cliffy!  No!

Comment #4: nekouken  on  10/29  at  09:30 AM

Where can I start with Victoria Jackson? She did interviews post-SNL in which complained that Lorne Michael wouldn’t hire her as an SNL writer without any sort of self-awareness that she was completely out of her league. She also showed up on ‘Celebrity Fit Club’ and it turned out she had all kinds of daddy issues, like daddy was too cold, too critical, too whatever, and her whole life is about winning his approval. Given that, I can *kind of* see why she’s so messed up and why the mythical daddy in the sky is so appealing to her.

Comment #5: Slackajawea  on  10/29  at  09:33 AM

That can’t be Victoria Jackson’s website. It made me laugh.

Comment #6: gil mann  on  10/29  at  09:36 AM

I NEVER want to see Pat Boone shirtless, ever ever ever again.

Never.

Ever.

Do you understand me, Republicans?

I’m sure there are some 92 year old biddies out there who still think he’s the bee’s knees, but ew.  Just ew.

Comment #7: The Opoponax  on  10/29  at  09:38 AM

“He pretends to be a Christian and he incriminates himself everytime he speaks about Christianity. To lie about being a believer in Christ is very dangerous. Lightning could strike him at any minute! But seriously, he doesn’t have a clue what the Bible says and yet he pretends to be a church- going Christian to win votes. That is sooooo evil.”

Victoria Jackson?  I would guess that falsely claiming another man is not a Christian or a true believer in Jesus is “sooooo evil” too, dontcha think?  Especially given your awesome credentials for making that judgment..or not…

And wingnuts have the gall to complain when somebody on the left in Hollywood says anything political?  And they put up Victoria Jackson?  Explaining what Christianity is and how Obama is not a Christian?  And they think I’m gonna listen to her ignorant bullshit?

Victoria Jackson?  WTF?...

Just because you didn’t get a part in An American Carol and all the sweet, sweet money and recognition that would have come with it, you don’t have to take it out on the rest of us.

Isn’t there a VeggieTales voice part you can do or something and leave the rest of us alone?...

Comment #8: MikeEss  on  10/29  at  09:42 AM

My favorite part is

I’m scared to death that un-educated people will ignorantly vote him into office.

I really don’t even know what to say to that, coming from somebody who actually believes that the semiliterate ravings of a 1st-century lunatic are accurate historical predictions.

Comment #9: Steve LaBonne  on  10/29  at  09:45 AM

Ugh. Between this and Michael Richard’s racist flameout last year, it’s getting harder and harder to watch UHF...

Comment #10: Mighty Ponygirl  on  10/29  at  09:56 AM

Very impressive that they got Victoria Jackson, Stephen Baldwin, and Pat Boone.  I guess Al’s not winning the “marginally successful fundamentalist loon actor” vote.  Though that might not be fair to Pat Boone, who is actually a formerly successful fundamentalist loon singer.

Comment #11: Pesto  on  10/29  at  10:03 AM

What does Tim Kazurinsky think about all this, then?

Comment #12: Mr. Merle  on  10/29  at  10:23 AM

Goddamnit, Claven, I am very disappointed.

Comment #13: spence-bob  on  10/29  at  10:28 AM

John Ratzenberger? Huh, that’s ironic given that he hosts a show, “Made In America”, which is actually pretty cool, and which showcases products still being made in America (obviously); does he not realize that the impetus behind his own show is that American manufacturing has become all the more notable due to its dwindling status thanks to the damn Republicans who so readily facilitated the outsourcing of so much American manufacturing, what with all the corporate tax breaks awarded for offshoring and callous disregard for labor rights in pursuit of the holy bottom line? On the other hand, if not for the cynical corporate imperialism of said Republicans American manufacturing wouldn’t be unusual enough to warrant a TV series and Ratzenberger’d be out of a job. Geez.

Comment #14: Catbus  on  10/29  at  10:45 AM

“James Cone who says Jesus was black…”  Well, there’s a deal-breaker, right there!  Americans know that Joseph and Mary were a white couple living in the middle-east, two thousand years ago, wen God picked them out ...”

Comment #15: Northern Virginia  on  10/29  at  11:05 AM

Yeah, victoria is a full on whack-a-loon.

That’s yet another shitty rethug commercial.  Seriously, who is making this crap for the RNC and their candidates?  Is this just the fallout of more wingnut welfare or are they really just that aesthetically (and comedically) blind?

And yes, that was a rhetorical question.

Comment #16: ice weasel  on  10/29  at  11:07 AM

I can’t watch the video @ work…  :(

Ratzenberger was in on this?  Say it ain’t so.

Victoria Jackson is a parody of herself, and that takes some doing.  I saw her on Politically Incorrect way back when and remember being shocked that she really was the same clueless bimbo that she played on SNL.

And this line:

I’m scared to death that un-educated people will ignorantly vote him into office.

Is just Unintentional Comedy Gold.

Oh, and gil mann wins the thread.

Comment #17: Sour Kraut  on  10/29  at  11:12 AM

Twin parenthetical statements that are longer than the sentence they are inserted into? Victoria Jackson for the grammatical FAIL.

To lie about being a believer in Christ is very dangerous. Lightning could strike him at any minute!

But he IS lightning! Doesn’t she know that ‘baraq’ can be translated as ‘lightning’ in most Semitic languages? And doesn’t she know that Jesus described Satan “as lightning fell from heaven” in Luke 10:18? OMFG!!! Baraq is Satan!!!!!

Of course by this same logic I’d have to concede that Barcelona, Spain - as its name is derived from the same Semitic root (via Carthage) - is the City of Satan. Well… could be.

Comment #18: Sarcastro  on  10/29  at  11:17 AM

The idea that based on his geographical location Jesus was most likely NOT caucasian was something I was very easily able to grasp as a child.  My dad was a Methodist Sunday school teacher and HE’S the one who pointed it out to me!!

Comment #19: Blitzgal  on  10/29  at  11:26 AM

But—But Jesus can’t be a black guy! That would mean I’m worshiping a black guy! I AM NOT WORSHIPING NO BLACK GUY, DAMMIT! BLACK GUYS GOTTA WORSHIP ME OR ELSE!

Comment #20: Scott  on  10/29  at  11:32 AM

No, no, no. You might be able to make a case that Mary and Joseph weren’t white (although, there is that Immaculate Conception, and what is Immaculate if not white?), but since Jesus isn’t genetically linked to either of them, he had to be white, because he is the child of the Holy Spirit alone, and everyone knows HE’S white. What with the white doves and angels and celestial lights and all.

So of course Jesus was 6 foot tall, blond and blue-eyed. Follows logically. Heck, you’ve seen the pictures, right? If the Book can be infallible even though it was written decades later, surely the portrait artists get the same Divine help, right?

He just PRETENDED to be Jewish. He really was from the American Heartland. After all, if you could divinely choose your own genetics from all possible human variations throughout history, wouldn’t you be good Kansas farm stock, too?

Comment #21: Lymis  on  10/29  at  11:41 AM

So of course Jesus was 6 foot tall, blond and blue-eyed. Follows logically. Heck, you’ve seen the pictures, right?

And the dude had short hair. And no beard. Ain’t no way Jesus was a hippie.

Comment #22: Scott  on  10/29  at  11:58 AM

One aspect of the “Jesus wasn’t caucasion” argument that I never understood was that Jesus was jewish. Do caucasions not consider jewish people to be “white”? I know the klan doesn’t, but I thought white people in general considered them so. Or is it that people of that time in the middle east would not have been considered caucasion? I’ve never really understood why it makes a difference whether he was white or black, but I guess I have my parents to thanks for that.

Comment #23: Mark  on  10/29  at  11:59 AM

I think the idea of Jesus being either black or white is moot.  There isn’t any real evidence that he even existed.  It’s like arguing over the ethnicity of your invisible friend.  Saul of Tarsus pretty much just made him up weaving together old legends and various religious myths.  Aside from which, Robert Davi?

Comment #24: G Porgy  on  10/29  at  12:15 PM

Can we start taking bets on which current SNL’er will be batshit crazy in 2028?

Comment #25: Dweeze  on  10/29  at  12:18 PM

The longer thread on Wonkette reminded me that Davi was one of the Fratelli brothers in The Goonies, along with Joey Pants. No word on who Sloth is endorsing yet…

Comment #26: Mr. Merle  on  10/29  at  12:18 PM

Seriously, who is making this crap for the RNC and their candidates?

I’m not sure what level of “make” you mean, but hey, us production people gotta put food on the table too.

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It’s really hard to believe that’s not a parody-site.  Oy!

Comment #27: Eric, Rejector of Memez  on  10/29  at  12:23 PM

No word on who Sloth is endorsing yet…

No, but it’s clear that Greed and Wrath have already come out for McCain.

Comment #28: Sour Kraut  on  10/29  at  12:26 PM

Sorry, she lost me with the horrible punctuation.

Comment #29: Roving Thundercloud  on  10/29  at  12:41 PM

No word on who Sloth is endorsing yet…

Sloth died in 1989.  :(

Comment #30: Scott  on  10/29  at  12:46 PM

What G Porgy said.

And what Mighty Ponygirl said before that: I’m heartsick because I love UHF. Man, Weird Al dated that fruitcake? Now I have to worry whether he’s a whack-job…. (I hope not. I guess we’ve all dated crazy people, right?)

Comment #31: Rieux  on  10/29  at  01:03 PM

I’ve met her (also a Minnesotan- sadly- like Michelle Bachmann) and she is a looney.
However I think that the rest of her castmates that were on SNL at the time she was have done better for themselves in general so there’s that.

Comment #32: Danica Lefse Queen  on  10/29  at  01:07 PM

To lie about being a believer in Christ is very dangerous.

Then the Republicans should be very, very afraid.

This always drives me nuts- yeah, right-wingers, the Bible sure is mum on the subjects of compassion, hope, and charity. When Obama talks about those things, he must be referencing some kind of apocryphal text. /sarcasm.

Comment #33: other orange  on  10/29  at  01:43 PM

Mark—it is only very recently that Jewish people have not been a solidly different category from “White” in most of the country (and in some places, they still are.) It was only a generation ago that many country clubs and other institutions that didn’t accept blacks as members also didn’t accept Jews (if there were enough in the area to be worth mentioning.) And there were neighborhoods in a lot of major cities where Jews effectively couldn’t live, not through explicit legal restrictions, but through realtor redlining and “neighborhood pressure.”

There’s a reason why Jews were heavily involved in the Civil Rights movement.

Comment #34: Redshift  on  10/29  at  01:46 PM

(Obama writes in his book, From Dreams of My Father, “I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and and animosity against my (white) mother’s race.”)

Except that, you know, he didn’t. 

Doesn’t the Bible say something about how telling lies about other people—aka “bearing false witness” —is bad?  I’m pretty sure it’s even a Commandment, it’s considered so important.  Don’t you think God will have a little something to say about you telling lies about other people, Victoria?

Comment #35: Mnemosyne  on  10/29  at  01:50 PM

Jackson’s range on SNL wasn’t exacty anything to brag about: She always played the air-headed bimbo. And now we find out she wasn’t acting. Jeepereenies. Stupid and crazy! What an unbeatble combination!

“Victoria Jackson is a parody of herself, and that takes some doing. I saw her on Politically Incorrect way back when and remember being shocked that she really was the same clueless bimbo that she played on SNL.”

I also used to see her on PI from time to time. Maher must have liked having a genuine wingnut “celebrity” as a guest, even a mere has-been. Perhaps my memory’s playing tricks on me, but I seem to remember a couple of her appearences went as follows: On the first instance, she was stoutly defending the sanctity of marriage (to the best of her meager abilities, that is), and then, some time later, she re-appeared on the show…after her divorce. Typical Republican hypocrite.

Comment #36: John D.  on  10/29  at  01:52 PM

So, even though that cite is in quote marks, it’s a complete fabrication????

Comment #37: Eric, Rejector of Memez  on  10/29  at  01:52 PM

boy, that was a lame commercial.

Issues?  Any?

And damn, Cliffy!  I have to watch PIXAR movies.  My youngest is only 1, we’re going to be watching Monsters, Inc. and Toy Story and Bug’s Life forever!

Comment #38: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  10/29  at  01:53 PM

Rieux, at least Fran Drescher has made with the awesome. smile

Did he actually date her IRL, or just in the movie?

Comment #39: Mighty Ponygirl  on  10/29  at  02:12 PM

Mighty Ponygirl and Rieux took the words right out of my mouth.

Comment #40: The Crapture  on  10/29  at  02:41 PM

I.. uh.. Don’t know who any of these people are.

Comment #41: Eric  on  10/29  at  03:10 PM

I thought that ad was satirical…and Jackson’s blog entry reads like mediocre satire…but not anything serious.  You telling me that’s serious??

Man.  The Right really is scraping the very bottom of the barrel at this point.

That ad seems really poorly made if it’s serious, esp. the Pat Boone bit…I really thought it was a joke when I saw that…but it isn’t??  Really?

Whew.

Comment #42: LL  on  10/29  at  03:43 PM

Pam,

You grade is so low that one has to resort to the Greek alphabet to categorize you.

Comment #43: Ostiarius  on  10/29  at  04:18 PM

“I really don’t even know what to say to that, coming from somebody who actually believes that the semiliterate ravings of a 1st-century lunatic are accurate historical predictions.”

You’ve already proved you’re stupid LaBonne. Now you are just being gratuitous.

Comment #44: Ostiarius  on  10/29  at  04:22 PM

I thought Pat Boone was dead long ago!  Glad to know he’s just completely senile.

What a nutty commercial.  Am certain that 99 percent of viewers would think it’s satire created by Al Franken himself.

Comment #45: Cynthia  on  10/29  at  04:40 PM

Yikes Victoria - you were much more likeable and harmless when you didn’t reveal yourself to be a planet-sized butthead.  Alec must love Stephen.  All the buttheads in this commercial should be nominated at:

Go to:  www.buttheadpolice.com

Vote for other extreme buttheads like Elisabeth Hasselbeck and Sarah Palin to get asses stamped on their heads.  Spread the word!!  Buttheads will roll!!!

Comment #46: wakeupUSA  on  10/29  at  04:51 PM

I dunno about Fran Dreischer’s political views, but I had heard, via NPR, that she was going to be some kind of ambassador of american culture for the Bush administration.

Which is a horrifying thought. May as well send Gilbert Godfried as well. every professionally annoying person in hollywood has new jobs in the state dept.

dude, UHF stands as an artistic and cultural icon regardless of its actors later actions.

//If Obama wins the election, does he get to drink from the firehose?

Comment #47: Indy  on  10/29  at  04:57 PM

<u>she was going to be some kind of ambassador of american culture for the Bush administration.</u>

How else can you find out how to say “Woman with mouth like knife through sheet of steel” in 50 different languages?

Mark, they didn’t have the concept of race a couple of millennia ago that we do now; a lot of ideas on how physical features correlate with ability or character postdate the Renaissance.  But I think it’s safe to say that, prior to the Diaspora and the interbreeding that no doubt occurred in Europe, Jews in Palestine bore a stronger resemblance to, say, the darker-skinned Arabs of today than most do now.

Comment #49: Josh  on  10/29  at  06:37 PM

That picture of Victoria Jackson looks alarmingly like a blow-up-doll face.

I guess that makes her a wingnut dream girl right there.

Comment #50: Ms Kate  on  10/29  at  06:53 PM

I don’t want a political label, but Obama bears traits that resemble the anti- Christ and I’m scared to death that un-educated people will ignorantly vote him into office.

Here are Ms. Jackson’s educational credentials:

High school:  Dade Christian School, where she was a cheerleader and the Homecoming queen.
College:  1.  Furman University, on a gymnastics scholarship.  2) Auburn University for one year.  3) B.A. in Theater from Palm Beach Atlantic University.

Glad to see she finished her degree at such an elite institution.

Comment #51: Ellid  on  10/29  at  06:54 PM

“Ugh. Between this and Michael Richard’s racist flameout last year, it’s getting harder and harder to watch UHF…”

No, it’s not. Especially given that I often hear on my drive home an ad for Safety Glasses Warehouse or some such, which never fails to make me think of Spatula City.

But then I really like Ted Nugent’s guitar playing on “Fred Bear” so I’m like that…

Comment #52: witless chum  on  10/29  at  07:10 PM

The McAlvany Intelligence Advisor?  Seriously?  This is one of many rags that the white supremacists (particularly the Identity Movement) and conspiracy nutbags use as their news source.

Comment #53: AlanB  on  10/29  at  07:16 PM

yeah, can’t believe they brought up these grade z celebrities to attack stuart smalley.

Comment #54: wtf  on  10/29  at  07:20 PM

I must admit that I’m a little heartbroken.  I’ve had such an inexplicable crush on John Ratzenberger since he was on Dancing with the Stars.  I love me some Pixar movies and he was my favorite character on Cheers, even though I was only about 4 y/o at the time (is that gross?). 

Seriously, though.  Is this really not a prank?  It is just too ridiculous to be true.

Comment #55: fatsweatybetty  on  10/29  at  07:47 PM

Man, I grew up on 1980s SNL.  Watching Victoria Jackson attack Al Franken is like watching Bert and Ernie fight.

Comment #56: Shaenon  on  10/29  at  07:48 PM

Oh shit, republican’s got a sense of humor.

No, can’t be, must be an acid flashback.

Comment #57: wtf  on  10/29  at  09:23 PM

Oh shit, republican’s got a sense of humor.

Given what the Republican reaction has been to this, I’m afraid you’re going to have to provide more than one example.  Otherwise, all we have is a group of people who can dish it out but become whiny babies when it’s turned back on them.  Though I have to admit, the dead-enders who are still convinced that a Certificate of Live Birth isn’t the same thing as a Birth Certificate so Obama was CLEARLY born in Kenya!!1!11!eleventy!!! are comedy gold.

Just out of curiosity, is Victoria Jackson joking when she says she can’t vote for Obama because of an easily debunked fake quote, or does she really mean it?

Comment #58: Mnemosyne  on  10/29  at  10:47 PM

I’m just hugely disappointed that Troy McClure didn’t show up in the piece.

Comment #59: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  10/30  at  02:58 AM

“I’m just hugely disappointed that Troy McClure didn’t show up in the piece.”

I miss Phil Hartman… :(

Comment #60: MikeEss  on  10/30  at  09:13 AM

Imagining Troy McClure…

Hi, I’m Troy McClure. You may remember me from other political endorsements such as “Ronald Reagan: Not nearly as crazy as you thought four years ago.” and “Steve Forbes: He’s super fabulously rich! Ignore all those bizarre rumors about him in the 1970s.”

RIP Phil.

Comment #61: Taylor  on  10/30  at  02:44 PM

ust out of curiosity, is Victoria Jackson joking when she says she can’t vote for Obama because of an easily debunked fake quote, or does she really mean it?

Unfortunately, Mnemo, she’s not joking.  She means it.

Comment #62: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  10/30  at  06:43 PM
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