The Viagra was just a blood thinner so that he could process his double Whopper.

I’m sure that is what he calls it, but I doubt said woman would agree.

Aside from everything else he got wrong, Germany was not “Nazi Germany” in the 1920’s, and the Third Reich didn’t begin until 1933.

What idiots like this turd want is a law that says an abortion cannot be performed if a fetal heartbeat can be detected. Let’s not forget the fact that the only way to detect a fetal heartbeat that early in a pregnancy is to look for it via vaginal ultrasound. This is yet another way to inflict pain, punishment and shame onto sexually active women.

Though I could be talked into that fetus voting thing since it means I’d get to vote twice, at least until September.

This is simply crazy! The speakers all sounded like members of Westboror Baptist Church. And wow, saying a 3rd of teen girls who have abortions have trouble sleeping-jeez is that lady scientifically illiterate or what? I mean,  enforcing their ideology on the public would basically be treating women like second class citizens. This has no place in a 1st world country. Nonetheless when you consider other legal realities like adoption laws. Even Saudi Arabia allows a woman to have an abortion to save her life. Something tells me the Catholics had alot to do with this since they dont believe a woman should have an abortion even to save her own life-just check out the slew of catholic countries that dont allow abortion to save the life of the woman. These people are zealots.

Oh and regarding the Third Reich Germany banned abortion for German women and told them to go home and be housewives. The way he openly lied was just disgusting.

To be fair to Robert Mecklenborg, there probably were some people in the vicinity of central Europe who expressed pro-choice views and, at the same time, knew people who would become Nazis eventually.  I’m pretty sure that being pro-choice has transitive qualities.

I notice that he didn’t mention lowering the voting age to -0.75.  He said the fetus “voting block”.  So fetuses can vote, then would lose the vote when born, and get it back when they turn 18.

That’s kind of where conservative logic takes you though, isn’t it?  Fetuses are living, thinking, feeling creatures who deserve our protection and all civil rights.  Actual born children deserve none of those things, at least until they get a job.

*like arguing that fetuses should get the vote, which would just mean pregnant women get to vote twice, which might not work out as well for Republicans as said legislator thinks*

Actually, he already knows with 100% certainty that the fetus would vote conservatively, any attempt by the mother to vote any other way would automatically be proof of voter fraud.  At the very minimum you’d have to throw the woman in jail, but since this would likely be a fairly widespread occurrence it would require serious investigation to get to the root of the matter. Without a doubt groups like NOW and NARAL would be behind this sort of wide-spread voter fraud, and could be outlawed.

Wouldn’t it just be high-larious if abortion was banned and the result was MORE brown babies!  Because according to the Guttmacher Institute, women of color have disproportionately high abortion rates (mostly because they have more unintended pregnancies).  (In 2008, only 36 percent of abortions were obtained by white women.)  Mecklenborg’s head might just explode!

We should let pregnant illegal immigrants vote once. Anchor suffrage fetuses!

Lemme see if I can get this straight—there aren’t enough workers, so we should pull MORE people out of the workforce by forcing dependents on them (in a country that doesn’t have guaranteed maternity leave).

Every time I’m starting to feel optimistic about humanity, someone spouts off dribble like this.

Mecklenborg’s remarks constitute hate speech, and he should be impeached from office, then prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

One caveat:  I, as a taxpayer, don’t want my money going to pay for Mecklenborg’s incarceration.  Therefore, he should be taken behind the chemical sheds immediately, and shot.

Fun Fact: In Nazi Germany, an abortionist was subject to the death penalty.

Third Reich in the 20s?  Paul Revere warned the British?  John Quincy Adams was a founding father?  Send these conservatives to history class please!

So with lots of states now having laws about what ID you need in order to vote, does this mean that you have to register your fetus for a passport or something BEFORE they’re born?  Does this mean you have to NAME the fetus several months early?  Or can you just have its name listed as Ex Pecting and have a picture of the ultrasound instead of a photo?

SO MANY QUESTIONS.

Weep for us in Ohio, please.  It’s so hard to fight against the stupid every damn day.  So. damn. hard.

The crazy thing is that we’re supposedly a Northern state. When I moved here 25 years ago I figured it would be, you know, like East Coast Lite. In a lot of ways it’s more like a big suburb of Kentucky.

Am I the only one who saw Schmeckleburger and thought Dennis Miller had developed really unfortunate hair? Listening to to conservatives recount “history” is like watching a sadistic child who’s gotten a hold of his sister’s barbie doll, Sid Phillips style.

So if the damn thing can vote, it pretty clearly must qualify for food stamps, childcare deductions and welfare (talk about no visible means of support). This is the kind of stuff you would expect in a high-class booby hatch.

The other thing about the detectable-heartbeat thing is that it gets you way inside the early-miscarriage risk period. So effectively this bill goes all Virginia on any woman who is pregnant and then isn’t.

The other thing about the detectable-heartbeat thing is that it gets you way inside the early-miscarriage risk period. So effectively this bill goes all Virginia on any woman who is pregnant and then isn’t.

Well if she didn’t want to incur the legal penalties from miscarriage, she should’ve kept her skanky legs shut. When that line turns blue, ladies, it’s 100% bed rest right away or pay the price. Sins of Eve, and all.

I don’t know if this Mecklenborg is Catholic, but whenever I hear a Catholic, especially a prelate, compare abortion to the Holocaust, I think, Too bad you can’t be as discreet about abortion now as the Vatican was about the Holocaust while it was actually going on.

I guess the Church finds pregnant women easier to push around than Nazis.

Perhaps he intended to make more soldiers for the Fatherland, but unless he had some cash, I would bet that the woman half his age wasn’t intending to be making any, or doing anything that could lead to making any.

To give these clowns the benefit of the doubt, a fetus would probably vote GOP because voters who haven’t developed the ability to think logically usually vote GOP.

If fetuses (feti?) got to vote -sort of magically overlooking you need to be eighteen and present some for of ID in the US, I understand- I assume they’d vote for the party that makes sure they have health insurance and the climate isn’t fubared.

It’s reached the point that any time you hear a Conservative cite some historical precedent, you should automatically assume that the opposite is true.  Just because their loyal mouth-breathing followers won’t open a history book doesn’t mean the rest of us can’t.

Mecklenborg is double confused.

Abortion laws in Hitler’s Germany outlawed abortion for Aryan families while *mandating* abortion for people who became pregnant with babies which were half Aryan and half Jewish and/or “colored.”

Mecklenborg is double confused.

Abortion laws in Hitler’s Germany outlawed abortion for Aryan families while *mandating* abortion for people who became pregnant with babies which were half Aryan and half Jewish and/or “colored.”

The real question is whether Mecklenborg has the sort of slavish followers who’ll edit wikiepedia to claim that the Nazis were all about abortion.

oh, they’ll be mandating abortion as soon as someone figures out how to tell which fetuses are gay

Conservatives have perfected the art of projection, this is especially true with the Nazis and the Holocaust.  While conservatives are happy to spew inaccurate comparisons of liberals and Nazis, liberals are more timid to make accurate comparisons of conservatives and Nazis out of some irrational fear of violating the Godwin Law.  Because of this, liberals who try to make even the most simplest reference to conservatives and Nazis are reviled, even by other liberals.  This needs to change.

Presumably the foetus gets the vote, and the incubator - who can’t be trusted to use it properly - gets it taken away from her?

@32 Albert Cirrus:

I agree. Even when the GOP invites a legitimate, historically sound comparison to Nazi policy (which they do on a semi-regular basis) many liberals will hesitate to point it out, because they’re worried about “oh god, I don’t want to Godwin this discussion.”

Meanwhile you have conservatives incessantly shouting, “Healthcare reform? Like the Nazis! Welfare? Like the Nazis! Civil rights? Just like the fuckin’ Nazis!” It leaves the discussion rather lopsided.

Honestly, I’ve come to really dislike Godwin’s Law. It’s true that lots of people use “Hitler!” as some kind of ignorant gotcha comparison because, y’know, everybody hates Hitler. So he’s a little too easy to invoke for lazy arguers. But now we have a situation where you’ll have internet cops shouting “Godwin!” at you every time you mention Hitler or the Nazis, even in an informed manner.

And let’s face it - Republicans, with their xenophobia, white supremacy, excessive nationalism, warmongering and authoritarianism, are a lot closer to fascist policy than Democrats.

And let’s face it - Democrats, with their (our) inclination towards industrial policy, relatively lower amount of respect for private ownership of property and money, support of full employment, desire for class and income equality, willingness to impose taxes and regulations, more secular attitudes, and support for government institutions, are closer to communist policy than Republicans. If you paint with a super-broad brush, and if you like your hyperbole extra-heavy, sure.

You notice that they call us “communists” and “socialists” all the damn time even when we advocate the same things Eisenhower did.

Even Godwin said “Godwin’s Law” doesn’t apply when you’re actually making a valid comparison to the Third Reich.

So, were you trying to make a rhetorical point, or just pointing out a series of obvious facts?

I wonder…  I bet you could get these guys on camera endorsing the use of forced sterilization as a just punishment for those having so-called ‘anchor babies’.  I’m increasingly beginning to believe that the only problem these people would have with the Nuremberg laws is that they targeted the wrong people for oppression and death.

“Wrong” according to whom?

“Wrong” according to their biblical apocalyptic theology.  You see, the Jews all have to die to fulfill the end times prophecy, but they have to all die in the holy land, not Germany.  If they all die in the wrong country, God’s plans will be foiled, and the True Believers won’t be saved or something.

Now I feel dirty having written that.

The problem with Godwin’s Law is that it was written before it was clear that the GOP is a Fascist party.

A couple of thoughts come to mind:

1) I will bet my life savings that the same people who claim we need more babies to be workers are the very same people who work the hardest to keep immigrants out of the country.

2) If the fetus is given the right to vote, then surely it can also be tried for bodily assault of the woman if she doesn’t consent to it being there.  Even at the very minimum of weight gain and redistribution, you could get in trouble if you inflicted on that someone else against their will.

What Punditus Maximus said in #40.

Godwin’s Law doesn’t prevent or even criticise comparisons to the Nazis/Hitler - it merely postulates that any internet conversation that goes on long enough will end there.  Nothing about Godwin’s Law is negative towards apt comparisons with fascism and Nazi Germany.

The original Godwin’s law does not, but his accepted corollary is that when the comparison is made, the discussion is over, and the person making the comparison has automatically lost the argument.

Since whether or not a comparison is apt or not in any political discussion not specifically about Nazi Germany is going to be subjective, one has to build an airtight case that their comparison isn’t the rhetorical equivalent of “You’re a vegetarian?! HITLER WAS A VEGETARIAN.”