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If the GOP wants to resurrect itself, it needs to cure its addiction to hate and bigotry

Joan Walsh at Salon has a piece up, “Can right-wing hate talk lead to murder?”, that features her appearance on Hardball where she discussed the climate of hate featured as entertainment by the likes of Limbaugh, O’Reilly and the rest of that motley crew who are now scurrying like rats in the wake of the murder of George Tiller and the white supremacist shooting at the Holocaust Museum yesterday that resulted in the murder of a security guard.

I tried to choose my words carefully. Unless it’s shown that either man had accomplices, we have to be clear that the men responsible for those murders are the ones who pulled the trigger. Still, it’s hard not to think about the extreme right-wing rhetoric, especially about Barack Obama, and whether it could conceivably lead to more right-wing violence. You can see whether I succeeded here (more text follows the video):

The range of crazy ideas about Obama is broad and wide: He’s a secret Muslim, he’s going to take our guns, he’s even the anti-Christ! James von Brunn just happened to be a “birther,” one of the nuts who believe that Obama wasn’t born here, his birth certificate is fake, and he thus isn’t eligible to be president. I thought it was strange and maybe a little ominous last summer when suddenly Obama was labeled a “socialist” and a “Marxist”; Hillary Clinton and John Kerry are arguably more liberal than Obama; why did he get tagged with that sinister, subversive, alien ideology? It seemed linked to the fact that he’s just so … different from other politicians, so easy to marginalize and, frankly, demonize.

Then came Rush Limbaugh with his sexual fears about having to “bend over and grab the ankles” for a black president. Soon Limbaugh was saying he hoped Obama fails; last week he said Obama was more dangerous to our country than al-Qaida, our terrorist enemy who has killed thousands of Americans. Could that conceivably inflame someone marginal and isolated to act against a president who’s more dangerous than terrorists?

Joan goes on to mention Bill O’Reilly’s constant on-air vilification of the recently assassinated abortion provider as “Tiller the Baby Killer” and comparison of the doctor to Nazis and the amoral stoking of the “Angry, Disenfranchised White Man” by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Lindsey Graham and the GOP’s Michael Steele by suggesting that the Sotomayor nomination means a white man can’t get a break in today’s society.

Are statements like this directly responsible for the murder of Holocaust Museum security guard Stephen Tyrone Johns? No. What the mainstream GOP has to take responsibility for is the fact that its continued reliance on the politics of division that gives extremist views safe harbor. Race, gender, class, sexual orientation/gender identity, and religion have constantly been used to win votes. The appeals to the lowest common denominator—ignorance and fears of the “other” displacing white male supremacy, God and family in no uncertain terms attracts a demographic we saw on display at the McCain/Palin rallies—bold, hateful, openly racist people who proudly stood before the cameras emitting bigotry as a badge of honor. And they were standing outside a rally for the Republican, not the Democratic candidate.

Below the fold, look at the video evidence that the party has capitalized on the worst instincts in people.
Did the GOP stop using those tactics and decrying the bigotry? Well John McCain made a feeble attempt to do so when his town halls became out-of-control embarrassing spectacles for the well-heeled country club wing of the party.

You might recall that McCain was strongly booed at his concession speech by the angry crowd for asking that they unite behind the new president.

You see, the GOP country club set desperately tries to ignore the party’s base of theocrats and ignorant bigots, and they kept surfacing over and over in the mainstream media last year, proud voters for McCain/Palin. It wasn’t supposed to be that way, I’m sure they were saying to themselves. But the party made its pact with this devil long ago. The ghosts of the Southern Strategy, Lee Atwater, and my late Senator, Jesse Helms, continue to haunt the party. As long as this kind of imagery continues to be defended by the GOP as benign…

The Elizabeth Dole campaign against Kay Hagan hit such a low point in terms of coddling haters, that it desperately overreached with its “Godless” ad that even Lou Dobbs, Ed Rollins tore up the party hacks for it:

Rollins: “There is a long history of despicable ads run by Republicans led by Jessie Helms which is I’m sure is now running Elizabeth Dole’s Campaign.”

Needless to say, Dole lost. But has this helped the GOP understand the appeal to bigots is hurting them? I don’t think so, because look at the defense and denial that anything about tactics like these is wrong, let alone whether the party is responsible for coarsening the debate and feeding already-wound-too-tight fringe elements who take these messages as license to kill. If there were no place in either party for messages like this, perhaps we could move on in this country to the issues that do matter.

I don’t understand why the GOP doesn’t rid itself of the very messages that drive the mighty middle away; it’s a party in the midst of remaking itself, it should seriously consider dropping the bigot appeals if it wants to have a future and get back to basic conservative principles that are consistent. (The problem is, that would anger the Base).

That’s the argument presented by black GOP consultant Raynard Jackson in his latest column (sent via email). The answer is the party is in such desperate, self-defeating straits that it needs time on the couch; it has to rid itself of its addiction to fear and smear:

Republicans and Cognitive Dissonance

by Raynard Jackson

In layman’s terms, cognitive dissonance is the inability to see what one doesn’t believe.  Republicans have been suffering from this psychosis for many, many years.  Below, I will play the role of “political” psychiatrist and try to help the patient work through their issues.

The sole purpose of any political party is to win elections so they can implement their policy agenda.  So, if that is the raison d’etre, the Republican Party is in bad shape.

They want to win elections, but earlier this week on his radio show, Rush Limbaugh called President Obama a “fool.”  Earlier this week at a major Republican fundraising speech, actor Jon Voight called President Obama a “false prophet.”  In a recent editorial, former high ranking State Department official in the Reagan administrations, Frank Gaffney wrote, “The man (President Obama) now happy to have his Islamic-rooted middle name featured prominently has engaged in the most consequential bait-and-switch since Adolf Hitler duped Neville Chamberlain over Czechoslovakia at Munich….

There is mounting evidence that the president not only identifies with Muslims, but actually may still be one himself.”

They want to win elections, but they issue these highly personal attacks on the president of the United States.  Regardless of your views on his policies, most Americans think our president should be shown respect in our public discourse.  These personal attacks on the president are antithetical to Republicans winning elections.  But, they are so blinded by their dogma, they refuse to accept the fact that he won the election.  The inability to see what they don’t believe.

Gaffney compared President Obama to Hitler; Newt Gingrich called Sonia Sotomayor (nominee for the Supreme Court) a racist; Laura Ingraham (radio talk show host) criticizes the president for taking his wife out to dinner and a Broadway play.  Republicans are supposed to be a principled party.  But, their rhetoric is not consistent with any of the party’s stated principles.  The inability to see what they don’t believe.

Republicans are supposed to be the party of less government and more individual freedom, until it conflicts with a belief they want to force others to accept.  They want less government, but then want the government to tell a woman what she can/can’t do in the privacy of her doctor’s office.  They want more individual freedom, until Terri Schiavo’s husband wants to take his wife off life support.  The inability to see what they don’t believe.

True enough, President Obama inherited a plethora of problems from a Republican president and years of a Republican controlled Congress (they controlled 6 of Bush’s 8 years).  But, in the nearly five months in office, there is no disputing the fact that President Obama has increased the size and scope of government, increased the federal deficit, and is threatening to raise taxes.  If the Republicans will take their medication for their psychosis, President Obama has presented them an easy way of getting back to Republican principles.

One of the most effective means of treating cognitive dissonance is with cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT).  This is a psychotherapeutic approach that aims to influence dysfunctional emotions, behaviors and cognitions through a goal-oriented, systematic procedure.

President Obama and the Democrats have presented a great opportunity for Republicans to present their governing vision to the country.  But, they must first decide whether they are going to continue the idiotic name calling or present a serious alternative to the president and his party.

Republicans claim they don’t like what President Obama and the Democrats are offering.  So, therefore it is incumbent upon Republicans to make their case directly to the American people.  Republicans must first and foremost define who they are and what it means to be Republican.

What is the legitimate role of the government in dealing with the financial crises?  How will a Republican prescription affect the economy?  If we are the party of law and order, why has there been no move to prosecute (or institute more congressional oversight based on Republican principles) corporate executives who violated their fiduciary obligations within their companies?

Americans don’t necessarily want more government regulation, but they do want the assurance of knowing that our government is creating an environment where we can believe that a corporation’s financial documents are honest and accurate.  What is the Republican plan to make this happen?

What is the Republican solution to the tectonic shift in the political landscape?  We can get 100% of the conservative white vote and still lose every national election.  What is the Republican approach to building coalitions within the Black and Hispanic communities?  And it cannot be based on irrelevant issues like abortion, affirmative action, or “reverse racism.” 

Detailed answers to the above questions will be a good start towards the Republican Party working through it’s cognitive dissonance.  This type of disorder has to be treated over the long term, therefore, it’s imperative that the party honestly reflect on these questions and then put together a realistic plan.  Implicit in this plan is the fact that President Obama (and the Democrats) won the election, he is an American citizen, he is a Christian (not Muslim) and he deserves to be respected.

If Republicans are willing to accept these premises, then there is the possibility of getting beyond this cognitive dissonance.  If not, we will relegate our party to irrelevancy.

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All of this reminds me a lot of a post from last year “Filing the Edges off of Racism,” where I excerpted Portly Dyke over at Shakesville. She noted that the increasing bile being spewed on the air by right-wingers gives comfort to those on the fringe who harbor even more virulent views—the MSM that they respect is validating their beliefs.

But as a society, even well-meaning progressives are finding ways to excuse statements that would have never flown a couple of decades ago. I had a similar reaction to Portly Dyke when she started hearing this excuse…PD:

  I entered a conversation about whether a white news commentator might not have known that suggesting that other golfers “lynch him (Tiger Woods) in a back alley” was a racist comment worthy of public sanction.

  Among the various arguments I read was this one: Given the commentator’s age, she might not really understand the charged context of the word “lynch” in reference to a person-of-color.

  And somehow, vaguely, in the back of my mind, I remembered a time when I could not imagine that I would be hearing this argument from progressives.

  ...I could remember that, in the 80’s, even though there were still many, many confrontations with the MSM and mainstream culture, and much consciousness-raising yet to be done, I didn’t think I would have been having this very basic argument about using the word “lynch” (or arguing about whether rape was “gray”, or “gag gifts” featuring detached female body parts were “just a joke” rather than sexist)—with progressives.

  ...My problem with filing off the edges of our outrage at such racist words and actions is just that—it’s filing off—it’s erosive—and the problem with erosion is that if you let it go on long enough, you’ll eventually wind up with nothing at all.

The edges are so filed down on the “benign” aspects of racism that the label is reserved only for extreme violence against a POC, or extreme cases of institutionalized bigotry that cannot be ignored.

 

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Posted by Pam Spaulding on 01:44 PM • (35) Comments

Needless to say, Dole lost. But has this helped the GOP understand the appeal to bigots is hurting them?

Absolutely not.

The problem is - 2008 was perhaps the first time in the 40 years that the GOP has used these tactics in which it ultimately backfired on them on election day.

- The Southern Strategy worked.

- The Willie Horton ad worked.

- Jesse Helms’ “Hands” ad worked.

- The Swiftboating attacks on John Kerry’s masculinity worked.

I could go on and on.  Since the original implementation of the Southern Strategy in 1968, the Republican Party assumed it would always be able to just play into the fears of racist, privileged, white men to win elections forever.

But then a few things happened - we suffered the worst terrorit attack in American history, and we fully rallied around our president, gave him the ball, and said, “get us out of this mess.”  And rather than addressing it in any sort of sane way, he wildly overreacted and decided to use his 90% approval rating to implement horrible policy and get us into a costly neverending war - he squandered the goodwill of the American public.

He became the absolute worst president in at least 35 years.  He exposed the soft underbelly of his party in the process.

Additionally, while I certainly don’t think racism is anywhere near dead in America, I think it is far less prevalent among younger voters than it is among older voters.  The Millennials, when compared to the Boomers and older generations, are light years more tolerant and accepting of diversity in our culture than there parents and grandparents were.  It’s one reason why I fully believe that gay marriage, withing the next 10 years or so, will be fully legal in all 50 states.  Acceptance of it rises every year in the polls, and its no coincidence that when old voter die off and young voters join the rolls, tolerance goes up.

Finally - we’re no longer a 90% white majority country.  For the sane white people, this isn’t a big deal, and there’s nothing to be afraid of when our electorate becomes more diverse.  But for the kooks who are used to being able to call the shots on everything such that the privileges of white people would be protected for generations, this scares the bejesus out of them.  They realize that the power dynamic is shifting away from them, and they hate it.

Comment #1: DTG in STL  on  06/11  at  02:12 PM

I don’t understand why the GOP doesn’t rid itself of the very messages that drive the mighty middle away

If the GOP changes its message, the base will leave and the middle might return.

If the GOP maintains its message, the base will stay and (some of) the middle might eventually wander back.

From a pure efficiency point of view, the second choice is the obvious one as only it offers any guarantee of continued existence.

Comment #2: schism  on  06/11  at  02:14 PM

Hosea 8:7

Comment #3: Ms Kate  on  06/11  at  02:16 PM

I don’t understand why the GOP doesn’t rid itself of the very messages that drive the mighty middle away; it’s a party in the midst of remaking itself, it should seriously consider dropping the bigot appeals if it wants to have a future and get back to basic conservative principles that are consistent. (The problem is, that would anger the Base).

It won’t rid itself of the messages b/c the men in power aren’t just rich and don’t just want tax cuts.  They are rich white men who don’t like women or people of color.

It won’t rid itself of the message b/c IT BELIEVES THE MESSAGE.  The rich white men who want their old boys club to continue forever cannot conceive that any woman or any POC is actually qualified for anything.  They really are sexist and racist. 

Remember when John McCain was asked why he picked Palin instead of a more qualified Republican woman, and he just didn’t understand the question?  No woman is as qualified as a man, therefore why does it matter which one he picks?  They are ALL unqualified. 

HRC was just a figurehead for Bill to be President again, since he couldn’t run again on his own.  Someone is pulling Obama’s strings and putting speaches on the teleprompter for him to read.  They might claim he wrote them, but come on.  He’s black.  And even though he went to Ivy League institutions and excelled, those qualifications don’t count b/c he’s black.  He was let in b/c he was black and he was graded easier b/c he was black.

They really do believe this shit, and they believe that everyone else believes it as well.  They talk in code words and think we must as well, since they have no empathy and no ability to conceive of other points of view.

They cannot change the message, b/c they believe the message and they think the only people who really matter, other rich white men, believe it too.

W lived in a bubble of yes-men and controlled intelligence.  Why would you assume that the GOP would be any different.  Fox News tells them they aren’t conservative enough!  And they’re the fair and balanced network!

Comment #4: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  06/11  at  02:23 PM

Raynard Jackson’s spot-on analysis of his parties woes will be completely ignored by the GOP because of his skin color. I’m not sure I actually believe there are large numbers of independent voters, but let’s hope all of the independents out there read his words. The GOP could care less that they’re the party of racist/sexist/homophobic bigots but they should take the time to read the list of places one of their own was headed yesterday before his violent rampage was brought to an end by guards at the Holocaust Memorial Museum. Fox News’ DC office was on his list. They should start wondering who he was planning to shoot there and whether or not other Republicans who he felt weren’t sufficiently racist enough were on his “to do” list.

Comment #5: DC Fem  on  06/11  at  02:28 PM

If the GOP changes its message, the base will leave and the middle might return.

If the GOP maintains its message, the base will stay and (some of) the middle might eventually wander back.

From a pure efficiency point of view, the second choice is the obvious one as only it offers any guarantee of continued existence.

I would argue the opposite.  Continued pandering to the base will likely lead the current GOP to become the 21st Century version of the Whigs in about 20-30 years.

The base is shrinking.  And it isn’t merely because moderates keep running away from the party, it’s because the base is literally shrinking, every day.

Why is it shrinking?  Because human beings die.  More often than not, they die around 78 years of age or so.

The GOP base is getting older and older, and for every 80 year old diehard fundnut conservative that kicks the bucket, they are having tremendous difficulty finding a young 18 year old to replace him on the voter rolls.  That isn’t to say that there are NO young wingnuts out there, just that they are getting to be fewer and fewer.  Some in the GOP are keenly aware of this problem, but they are shouted down for pointing it out.  While I don’t think Meghan McCain is a rocket scientist, I do think she quite preciently sees something that her elders in the party don’t - they are losing the culture war, badly, and the more they cling to it, the harder it is gonna be for them to draw in new voters from the younger generations.

If they keep treating Rush Limbaugh with reverance and pandering to the base in every matter, as it gets older and dies off more and more each election cycle, they are going to pander their way into party extinction.

Comment #6: DTG in STL  on  06/11  at  02:42 PM

The sole purpose of any political party is to win elections so they can implement their policy agenda.

Somewhere along the lines, the Republicans realized that the way to win elections was to remake their party into sort of a “white nationalist” party with its own language, culture, and forms of entertainment. The problem is that now the Republican party functions solely as an institution dedicated to reinforcing and defending their insular culture rather than getting votes to win elections. The Letterman/Edroso thread is another good example of this: it’s more important for the right-wingers to pick fights with Letterman and Edroso and trying to collect a scalp and gin up outrage than it is for them to come up with policy positions that are popular and helpful.

In short, the tail has started wagging the dog.

Comment #7: Tyro  on  06/11  at  02:45 PM

Fox News’ DC office was on his list. They should start wondering who he was planning to shoot there

If I had to guess, I’d say Charles Krauthammer or William Kristol, who regularly appear on Fox’ Special Report, which is broadcast from DC.

The paleocon types like this von Brunn character are especially frustrated, because even the GOP has supposedly embraced the evil JOOOO in their minds (think Krauthammer, Kristol, Wolfowitz and the rest of the PNAC crowd).

Comment #8: DTG in STL  on  06/11  at  02:48 PM

I, too, believe that the best treatment for these violent wingnuts is CBT.

Comment #9: NBarnes  on  06/11  at  02:49 PM

“Can right-wing hate talk lead to murder?”

I’m continually astounded that people are even asking this question, and bending over backwards to remind everyone that the person who actually pulled the trigger is the real killer.  Does anyone seriously believe that, if a muslim cleric with a radio show constantly directed inflammatory rhetoric at someone, and then one his listeners killed that person, the feds would fail to arrest the cleric as some kind of accomplice? It might not hold up in court but we would be having a very different national discussion.  And guess who would be all for holding the cleric responsible?

Comment #10: carovee  on  06/11  at  02:50 PM

Continued pandering to the base will likely lead the current GOP to become the 21st Century version of the Whigs in about 20-30 years.

I didn’t mean continued pandering would keep the GOP in power, or even let it remain a viable national party, just that it would remain extant in some form (albeit temporarily, as you said).  I suspect that the base (the religious part, at least) would prefer that to changing their platform in any significant way (can’t encourage whispers of errancy, you know).

Comment #11: schism  on  06/11  at  02:55 PM

I’ll amplify what someone said above - many of these Republican pundits truly believe what they are saying.  They believe in reverse racism, the inferiority of women, governmental control over morality, that Muslims are all evil, and that the End Times are coming.  When, however, life was good - taxes were low, property values soaring, gas prices a pittance, the stock market roaring, and jobs seemed plentiful, many people glossed over the persistent lunacy of the right wing ‘cause the Republican Party promised never-ending prosperity.  I, myself, knew a social liberal who voted for Bush because he was in the upper tax brackets and wanted to keep that extra 1% of his income.  Now, of course, he’s SOL because of the market crash and property value sink and is voting Democratic.  He always said that the Republican platform was “all talk, no action - they’d never overturn Roe, they’d never make English the national language, etc.” because no-one really thought that way, right?  It’s all just campaign talk, right?

The Republicans are now discovering that many voters no longer think that their vituperation is no longer “charmingly and harmlessly eccentric” but as vicious and vile as it has always been.  However, just as a toddler will scream louder and throw things harder when its tantrum is finally ignored (instead of indulged) by its frantic and over-tired parents, the Republicans can do nothing but increase the volume and intensity of what they’ve been saying for three decades.  This, of course, brings their insanity into sharper focus…and many people (like the Republican-voting social liberal I mention above) are realizing that they were idiots for voting for them for so long in the first place.

Comment #12: tannenburg  on  06/11  at  03:05 PM

Does anyone seriously believe that, if a muslim cleric with a radio show constantly directed inflammatory rhetoric at someone, and then one his listeners killed that person, the feds would fail to arrest the cleric as some kind of accomplice? It might not hold up in court but we would be having a very different national discussion.  And guess who would be all for holding the cleric responsible?

Steve Benen asked a very similar question—if any of these recent shooters had been Muslim, how quickly would we have gotten the internment camps ready? It’s all about white male privilege for these guys, and they’ll do whatever they can to hold on to it.

Comment #13: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  06/11  at  03:15 PM

“just as a toddler will scream louder and throw things harder when its tantrum is finally ignored”

I agree with this, but it’s going to take more thn 1 or 2 terms of a democratic majority for them to realize they’re not going to get there way. We’ve got to keep our foot on the gas (o to speak).

Comment #14: Mark  on  06/11  at  03:20 PM

Fox News’ DC office was on his list.

Well, that confirms my theory concerning Shep Smith’s motivation for calling out the Know-Nothing right-wing fantasists (AKA the Fox News core audience) who email his show. I’d be willing to bet they received more than a few e-mails from von Brunn over the years, and that they were indistinguishable from the usual Know-Nothing garbage they receive.

Continued pandering to the base will likely lead the current GOP to become the 21st Century version of the Whigs in about 20-30 years.

The era when the neoCon GOP establishment could both have their cake and eat it is over. Their Know-Nothing marks now understand that they’ve been conned, and those marks make up a majority of the party’s voter base.

I see more of a push by Buchanan and his ilk to take over the party and remake it as a populist/nationalist party similar to the BNP. The Know-Nothings will allow the moneyCons and Oil-Bitches to stick around as long as they understand who’ll be making policy, especially regarding immigrants. The PNACers are out, of course (as DTG notes, they’re seen as a buncha Joooos).

How long that can last depends on how chronicly damaged the economy is. If we spend the next decade in the doldrums, then there’s a youth market for this kind of bigotry and scapegoating. That might keep this new version of the GOP in business for another generation

Comment #15: Gracchus.  on  06/11  at  03:34 PM

Americans don’t necessarily want more government regulation, but they do want the assurance of knowing that our government is creating an environment where we can believe that a corporation’s financial documents are honest and accurate.

Yeah, Americans don’t want more regulation, they just want the effects of more regulation. Similarly, I don’t necessarily want to finish writing my final paper, but I do want to get a good grade in the class. Gee, do you think there might be some connection between those two things?

Comment #16: Sophist FCD  on  06/11  at  03:37 PM

Sophist, I’d be satisfied with enforcement of the regulations we have. That’s been sorely lacking in recent years as well, and unenforced laws are almost as bad as not having any to begin with.

Comment #17: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  06/11  at  03:48 PM

The tactics that DTG in STL mentions (etc.) have always been about keeping a certain kind of mindset—white xenophobes—voting for the GOP, the assumption being that most other voters either wouldn’t care, or that this shtick would have dog-whistled right past them. It’s worked so well for the Rs for the last four decades that it probably didn’t occurred to them there would be some point when those tactics would start repelling voters.

But last election, running against a black nominee, racism went from a regional background rhythm to the main theme of the campaign, thus driving away the fence-sitters who had previously been able to ignore it. This wasn’t really according to their 2008 plan—the racists that the GOP has been courting all these years saw a black guy closing in on the Oval Office, freaked out and went off-message.

What’s left in the party after everyone with a lick of sense has been chased off—the Republican base—is just too locked into their racist, ‘winger mishigoss to turn it around. Thus, the Republican Party is circling the drain.

And aside from not wanting a one-party system, good riddance to them.

* * *

President Obama and the Democrats have presented a great opportunity for Republicans to present their governing vision to the country.

In case the country didn’t quite get it during the prior eight years.

Comment #18: Molly, NYC  on  06/11  at  04:06 PM

The right-right claims that they have to be “more conservative.”  I don’t even know what the hell “conservative” means any more.  I don’t think there are many conservatives any more.  There are plenty of reactionaries, but damn few conservatives.  If Everett Dirksen was conservative and Jerry Ford was conservative and Ike was conservative what the hell does that make Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck?

The the extent that conservatives exist, at least fiscal conservatives, they’ve become, and have been welcomed by, Democrats.  I don’t think 2010 is going to be a good year for the R’s.

Comment #19: Magis  on  06/11  at  04:11 PM

Barry Goldwater said in the 1990s “Do not associate my name with anything you do. You are extremists, and you’ve hurt the Republican party much more than the Democrats have.” One wonders what he would think now.

Comment #20: Seebach  on  06/11  at  04:14 PM

Sophist, I’d be satisfied with enforcement of the regulations we have. That’s been sorely lacking in recent years as well, and unenforced laws are almost as bad as not having any to begin with.

I disagree, INC.  I think they are Worse than no laws.  If laws are there, but then not enforced, people thought they were being protected when they were not.  If they had known they were not, they might have been more careful.  (Optomistic of me tho think so, I know.)

Comment #21: helen w. h.  on  06/11  at  04:15 PM

I think that this is why they’ve been defunding education for years.

If there’s such a large percentage of the population (and I’m saying that any percentage over say 1 is large to me - thus the legions of ingorant hate being spewed around and picked up by people I formerly respected - like my mother) that they can’t exercise critical thinking and reasoning skills when this crap starts coming up they already feel so helpless that they lash out at the very people that they should be banding together with against these a-holes.

We’re all getting screwed - I would love to think that it’s getting better but I know that I live in a “bubble” as it were out here in Seattle. Once a year I trek back to where I grew up and often find myself having to bite my tongue for the entire time I’m not in Minneapolis.

They’ve also got hooks in the religious message as well so that someone who stands up and identifies as a right winger, rethug - lots of these types that I am speaking of will assume that they are more “righteous” and “godly”. Never mind all that shit in the bible about taking care of your brother and compassion and that crap. Jesus is only handly as a political tool.

It’s a lot of putting fingers in ears and screaming “LALALALALALAAAA!” when logic and reason intrude as well. There is no honest debate and there really can’t be one since of course debate is cut out of schools and ordered debate of any kind has been subsumed by punditry.

It’s fucking depressing as hell.
It makes me so tired.

Comment #22: Danica Lefse Queen  on  06/11  at  04:18 PM

helen,
The only reason I disagree is that getting laws passed in the first place is a difficult proposition at best, so I think that given a choice between enacting new legislation and then getting it enforced or enforcing existing legislation, I’ll take the latter in most cases. Neither situation is good, of course.

Comment #23: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  06/11  at  04:19 PM

The right-right claims that they have to be “more conservative.” I don’t even know what the hell “conservative” means any more.  I don’t think there are many conservatives any more.  There are plenty of reactionaries, but damn few conservatives.

I think that if Goldwater were still alive that he would have been run out of town on a rail years ago.

Comment #24: Danica Lefse Queen  on  06/11  at  04:20 PM

I think the toddler analogy is off a bit, because the GOP is (unfortunately) not just one person with the emotional maturity of a 3-year-old. Instead, it’s more of a population effect: when the GOP was bigger, and more of the people supporting it were motivated by love of power and money rather than just spite and hatred, you had a range of public statements. Now that the people who blow with the prevailing wind have more or less moved to the middle or gone silent, essentially all that’s left is the statements from the hateful crazies.

For the moment, the more they can banish the non-crazies from their party the better. But in the longterm that’s not so good, especially because it means more money-and-power types looking to rise via the current ruling party…

Comment #25: paul  on  06/11  at  04:44 PM

If Everett Dirksen was conservative and Jerry Ford was conservative and Ike was conservative what the hell does that make Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck?

The phrase you’re looking for is “right-wing radical populist demagogues.” The neoCons (PNACers and Oil-Bitches) are right-wing radical elitist demagogues. The moneyCons don’t really care about party or voters anymore—as long as a centrist government keeps delivering tax breaks and corporate welfare, they’re cool.

I think that this is why they’ve been defunding education for years.

If there’s such a large percentage of the population (and I’m saying that any percentage over say 1 is large to me - thus the legions of ingorant hate being spewed around and picked up by people I formerly respected - like my mother) that they can’t exercise critical thinking and reasoning skills when this crap starts coming up they already feel so helpless that they lash out at the very people that they should be banding together with against these a-holes.

Modern public K-12 education in America has never been about fostering critical thinking skills—they don’t gel very well with Taylorism. Republican de-funding served the dual purpose of adhering to extreme free market ideology and keeping the peons in their economic place by denying them even basic literacy and numeracy skills.

I think that if Goldwater were still alive that he would have been run out of town on a rail years ago.

I think Nixon would have been simultaneously pleased and horrified by what’s become of the party.

Comment #26: Gracchus.  on  06/11  at  04:47 PM

Well at some point, the batshit crazies have to be discarded and many Republicans know it.  Let them scurry back under their rocks.  We’ve always had them and always will, but it’s just the last few years that they were allowed to sit at the grownups table.  They didn’t behave very well and so have to be given a time out for awhile.  So the Repubs shed them.  Where are they going to go?  They suddenly going to start voting for the liberal anti-christs?  I don’t what to help the Rethugs out, but c’mon guys and gals, get your shit together.

As for we the good folk, best we not get complacent or arrogant.  We have to stay hungry.  We have to time things out.  We have to keep a strategic view of things.  Health care first.  More seats in 2010.  Then we can do pretty much as we please.

Comment #27: Magis  on  06/11  at  05:27 PM

Can right-wing hate talk lead to murder?

No. Only the speech of video game developers, Hollywood film directors and rap musicians has that sort of power.

Comment #28: Sarcastro  on  06/11  at  05:31 PM

Welcome to Radio Télévision Libre des Mille Collines.

Comment #29: pseudonymous in nc  on  06/11  at  05:40 PM

I have always believed that the Republicans didn’t win elections, Democrats lost them.  I don’t think people rejected the Great Society but the Dems seemed, if not weak, at least incapable of handling Vietnam in particular and foreign policy in particular.  The Cold War world was a dangerous place, people were insecure and the Repubs kept them that way.  People were willing to forego, for a time, social progress for the sake of safety. 

Of course they failed in Vietnam.  And they failed in Iraq II.  And people’s real incomes hadn’t risen in decades and finally people have had enough.  Just enough.  The fooled some of us all the time and all of us some of the time but they ain’t foolin’ nobody no more.

Comment #30: Magis  on  06/11  at  06:14 PM

in general….preview is our friend.

Comment #31: Magis  on  06/11  at  06:15 PM

Or if the Democrats disappoint on popular issues (gay marriage, DADT, healthcare) some Republican candidates will lie just enough to attract the moderates, and the disaffected.

Comment #32: judybrowni  on  06/11  at  07:12 PM

unenforced laws are almost as bad as not having any to begin with.

Dr. Tiller would still be alive had FACE been enforced.  Video tape, eye witnesses, and a license plate weren’t enough to make law enforcement enforce the law.

Where are they going to go?  They suddenly going to start voting for the liberal anti-christs?  I don’t what to help the Rethugs out, but c’mon guys and gals, get your shit together.

They will sit home and not vote.  That’s how they’ve developed power—they’ve been pissed off that the GOP was all about promising and not following through, so they pushed for more whackaloon representation.  That pushed the middle away a long time ago, and now the crazies are The Base (which funny enough, is the translation of al Qaeda).  If the Base stays home, they lose.  They don’t need the Base just to push them over the top, they need the Base to compete at all.

It’s why I push for more GOP purity.  The more they purge the party, the more it’s just the craziest.  The crazier they are, the less they can win.

Comment #33: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  06/11  at  09:27 PM

“They will sit home and not vote.”

...and become even more radical.  After all, where else will the next generation of nuts like Weaver, Koresh, McVeigh, Jones, and Von Brunn come from?...

Comment #34: MikeEss  on  06/11  at  09:50 PM

I think the most dangerous thing is when politicians like Palin talk about a Real America(TM).  It’s more effective than outright hate because it’s more subtle.  Even moderate people can then fall for the idea that people who don’t agree with them are just not Real Americans(TM).  They’re fake Americans, or impostors, and they’re trying to steal America away from the Real Americans who really deserve it because they say so.  By saying that there is a Real America, Palin is implying that there must be fake Americans, without every having to say something so hateful.  If she said, “People in cities just don’t count” or “Liberals aren’t really American” or “Democrats are unpatriotic”, she would sound like the bigot she is.  The base would praise her and other people would be outraged.  But by just implying those things, it’s easier to suck people into that thought.  And when you start believing that there are a bunch of fake Americans out there who want to do horrible things to you, it’s easier to start believing that you might be better off if they didn’t exist.  Palin is good at subtle manipulation.

Comment #35: bananacat  on  06/12  at  10:32 AM
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