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If you thought they’d stop at harassing women having abortions, you were naive

FundiesTerrorism
A group of self-appointed moral guardians decides that there’s a cancer on society that only they really understand.  People are “killing babies”!  Obviously, killing “babies” is so wrong that extreme methods are justifiable, right?  Such as showing up at clinics and harassing the customers and employees, and playing innocent when one of yours is emboldened to commit an act of terrorism.  But society basically tolerates this horrible behavior, while laying down a few lines that legally can’t be crossed (though often are), because the harassers are so sincere.  They love babies. And let’s face it: who wants to stand up for abortion?  Everyone will think you’re a witch slut

morally insufficient person or something like that.  Let’s just all pretend the antis are a little dim and that makes them think there’s wee little babies in there, and not that this is some kind of terrorist-style assault on women’s liberation and sexual freedom.

Or not.  I’ve made it clear that I agree with what Ellen Willis wrote in 1980 about the anti-choice movement:

I believe—-and in saying this I intend no hyperbole whatsoever—-that it is the cutting edge of neo-fascism, a threat not only to women’s rights and to everyone’s sexual freedom and privacy but to freedom of religion and civil liberties in general.

Turns out she was right. Because this group that’s terrorizing Amarillo, TX is using anti-choice tactics, but they aren’t even pretending that this is about “life” or any other cover story anti-choicers engage in.  They’re the sex police, and they’re going to make your life a living hell if you don’t obey the sex rules they made for you.  Which are, as you can imagine, very strict. 

The group is Repent Amarillo, and they are very evocative of the Taliban—-mostly young men who sport military drag to shore up their masculinity (though obviously they’re too busy screaming at fornicators to do things like actually join the military).  I have racked my brain and I cannot understand why it is that this sort of thing happens, that young men can get so thwarted and hateful towards any and all expressions of freedom and sensual pleasure.  This group focuses on sex, but if they were given power, I have no doubt they’d expand like the Taliban did into stomping out music, kite-flying, anything that could give human beings a moment of joy.  In this case, an older man who is a leader’s motivations are easy enough to understand:

“I was a sexual sinner before I got saved. I got saved seven years ago. Prior to that–yeah, I’ve been to strip joints and porn shops. I’ve done all kinds of things,” he says. “We understand the destructive power of sin firsthand. We’ve lived it. We’ve walked in those shoes.”


For whatever reason, he’s decided to give up those things that were probably his only real sources of sexual pleasure.  It’s sad, of course, that this happens to men, and I can see why a man who realizes his sexuality is narrowly defined by porn starts to feel sad and dissatisfied.  And religion is there to sell him a lie that sexual “sin” is the problem, instead of the rampant sexism and misogyny that keeps him from having deeper sexual experiences that would require seeing his female partners as human beings.  So he gives up porn and strippers, and now the source of his guilt is gone, but his sex life is joyless and boring.  But since he doesn’t have the tools to think creatively about this problem, he instead lashes out at people who are having fun without apology.  Repent Amarillo targets a lot of different kinds of people they see as sinners, but this article focuses mainly on their jihad against swingers. 

They use tactics out of the anti-choice handbook against swingers.  First of all, they protest the swinger’s club when it’s having parties, and sometimes just for the hell of it.  They call the cops with phony complaints. They file complaints about the building codes—-something legislators encourage against abortion clinics by writing brand new codes all the time for them—-and so far, this one club targeted in Amarillo has dumped $20,000 into the building to pay for mostly bullshit stuff to stay in code.  (Like having separate sex bathrooms, something that strikes me as only relevant if paying customers give a shit.)  And they single out individuals.  Like anti-choice groups do to staff members in Midwest, they get people’s private information off their license plates and out them in their personal lives.  Anti-choice groups will picket staff members’ homes and harass their children, and that’s what Repent Amarillo is doing to swingers.  The Texas Observer reports that at least one of the swingers club customers has been fired because a Repent member outed him to his boss.  A swinging party at a private residence was also picketed; the swingers understandably went outside to confront the trespassers and harassers, and now there’s a bunch of assault charges filed.

It’s Anti-Choice Protesting 101.  And the swingers are finding out that due to decades of anti-choicers going to court and getting legislators on their sides, the right wing sex police have a lot of leeway when it comes to harassing you, and you have no real rights to fight back.  They can’t get them out of the parking lot or away from their homes.  The police are doing what they can, according to the Observer, but of course, since all this is taken from the anti-choice handbook, Repent Amarillo is demanding the same right that society extends anti-choicers, to pretend that they aren’t a terrorist organization, even though what they do is terrorize people for breaking rules that they wrote for them.

Repent Amarillo is basically testing the waters to see how far anti-choice tactics can go, and how many targets they can hit before society pushes back.  I’m guessing a lot, I’m afraid.  Repent has learned very well from anti-choicers that as long as your targets are stigmatized, then you can get pretty far.  Abortion patients and workers don’t get much social protection, but they are far from the only people that society refuses to defend.  And Repent knows it:

They’ve posted a “Warfare Map” on the group’s Web site. The map includes establishments like gay bars, strip clubs and porn shops, but also the Wildcat Bluff Nature Center. Repent believes the 600-acre prairie park’s Walmart-funded “Earth Circle,” used for lectures, is a Mecca for witches and pagans. Also on the list are The 806 coffeehouse (a hangout for artists and counterculture types), the Islamic Center of Amarillo (“Allah is a false god”), and “compromised churches” like Polk Street Methodist (gay-friendly).

The way overused poem “First they came…..” comes to mind, but it’s entirely appropriate here. The social stigma of abortion makes it easy to target clinics for this, and now they’re trying on swingers and finding that few people are willing to defend swingers for fear of being tainted with that stigma.  Next come gays, “pagans”, Muslims, and anyone who seems to enjoy reading a tad too much.  And eventually, kite-flying.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 01:27 PM • (54) Comments

If Repent Amarillo was just one isolated set of loons who have decided they are the arbiters of everyone’s behavior and beliefs, it would be plenty bad enough.  But I get the feeling there is a solid percentage of Americans (10%? 20%? 30%?) who would spread this across the country in a heartbeat, given the chance.

What in the fuck is wrong with people?...

Comment #1: MikeEss  on  03/07  at  01:57 PM

When I hear about swinging and other like things my inner 12 year old goes something like… “Ew! Yuck Yuck Yuck Yuck Yuck!” But you know, so what? I have enough sense to realize that just because I don’t like something that other people can’t do it. How juvenile and ignortant can these idiot repent amarillo people get?

Comment #2: kiki  on  03/07  at  02:00 PM

**I have enough sense to realize that just because I don’t like something that other people can’t do it if they want to.**

Ugh. I need to learn to proof read.

Comment #3: kiki  on  03/07  at  02:02 PM

Ignortant? Oh it hurts.

Comment #4: kiki  on  03/07  at  02:04 PM

Holy fuck!  The leader of that group is a freaking security guard at a NUCLEAR BOMB FACILITY!!!

Uhh…This is seriously fucked.

Comment #5: jerry_101  on  03/07  at  02:12 PM

Yep, imagine if a brown person with a ‘funny’ name was holding down a day job with nuclear bombs and terrorizing the townfolk with religious dogma in his spare time.

Wait, you’re telling me you can’t imagine that….?

Comment #6: micheyd  on  03/07  at  02:18 PM

Here in New Mexico, other people worry about the violence in Juarez spilling over the border. I worry about the insanity in Amarillo spilling over the state line.

Comment #7: Ticky  on  03/07  at  02:35 PM

Sorry, at least the Taliban guys wore guyliner and were rather good-looking, some of them. These guys are just butt ugly.
 
  Once they get to kite-flying, they’re going to start killing women outright. There’s a vein of woman-hatred with these guys I didn’t feel over there, at least until Muqtada al-Sadr found his brand of fundiness trumped by somebody even more fundy. American conservative men appear to loathe sex and women with a venom that’s striking.

Comment #8: ginmar  on  03/07  at  03:24 PM

First they came for the abortion clinics, but I said nothing cause I wasn’t seeking an abortion.

Then they came for the gays, but I said nothing cause I wasn’t gay.

Then they came for the swingers, but I said nothing cause I wasn’t a swinger.

When will they come for me?  These people are waging war on everybody else’s sexual choice, I think it’s time to fight back.

Comment #9: Albert Cirrus  on  03/07  at  03:30 PM

So when do the counter-protesters start stalking them and outing them to their neighbors?

Comment #10: preying mantis  on  03/07  at  03:51 PM

I see from the article that the leader of the crazies has had four wives. From the list of their other targets, it sounds as if they’re just plain a group of smalltime terrorists with good planning and a lot of support from local law enforcement. Ugh.

Comment #11: paul  on  03/07  at  04:21 PM

This is one of those instances where you put up a fence and a small security gate, nothing serious to keep them out but by opting for a barricade and listing it as private property the local police will be forced to escort them off the property.  I know it will make the place seem less inviting but a tiny 3 foot cyclone fence and a com box are a small price to pay to know these idiots will get arrested if they venture onto your property again.

Course these idiots need to be cornered and beaten anyways.  The laws are designed to allow people to have a certain amount of agency, changing them to start giving police free reign in these situations is a double-edged sword.  It’s best to create a loophole like fencing the property and escorting patients to avoid further issues.  They’ll get stupid and overstep and then you file charges.

Comment #12: Xeranar  on  03/07  at  04:42 PM

So when do the counter-protesters start stalking them and outing them to their neighbors?

How do you think that will work?

“Yo, you’re neighbors are crazy assholes.” 
“That’s why we got a restraining orders and a big dog”
“oh, ok then. Hope things don’t get too out of hand”
“just a matter of when buddy, I have the cops on speed dial”

Comment #13: pharmakos  on  03/07  at  04:48 PM

Why not counter-protest?  If some one will hole me up for a day or two, I would be more than willing to come to Amarillo and picket their meetings with big signs and tell their bosses what they’re doing in their down time.  If this is legitimate, legal, and moral, what do they have to worry about?

Comment #14: Antigone  on  03/07  at  05:19 PM

Why do the scariest people always live in the south?  Seriously, is there something in our water?  If the Republic of Gilead comes, it will be in the south.  And my relatives wonder why I’m not going back.

Comment #15: JoanofArc  on  03/07  at  05:19 PM

joanofarc-

Northern wisconsin can be pretty bad too. Unfortunatley, the south doesn’t have a monopoly on right wing crazy

Comment #16: kitten parade  on  03/07  at  05:44 PM

“unfortunately”  Scuze mah fingahs!

Comment #17: kitten parade  on  03/07  at  05:45 PM

BTW, can people really get that much info from you from just a license plate number?  Is that on public record or do these thugs have access to those records via connections with the police?  Maybe they get away with it cause they are the police.  Sounds like that scene from Fight Club where Edward Norton goes to the police who end up being in his cult and try to cut off his balls.

Comment #18: Albert Cirrus  on  03/07  at  05:49 PM

Is it legal to have access to those sorts of records?

Comment #19: JilliefromChile  on  03/07  at  05:57 PM

“Is it legal to have access to those sorts of records?”

I don’t know about Texas, but I believe they tightened down California’s laws after some incidents here.

Of course, when Jesus is involved man’s law is no longer in effect.  So these assholes may be breaking the law, but they’re on a Mission From God, so it’s okay…

Comment #20: MikeEss  on  03/07  at  06:04 PM

MikeEss, one of the ‘incidents’ was the stalking and murder of Rebecca Schaefer by Robert Bardo. So this kind of thing of course started with a man killing a woman.

Comment #21: ginmar  on  03/07  at  06:22 PM

ginmar, I couldn’t remember her name…thanks!

Comment #22: MikeEss  on  03/07  at  06:38 PM

I wish I didn’t know, you know? People cover that case like it’s all Hollywood and everything but it’s a plain old stalking and murder.

These guys—in this piece—-are like prison rapists.  They think sex is doer and done to, so I bet they’d love to kill them some gays, too. And sex is a dirty thing they can’t live without. Somebody over on my blog was talking about how for these guys it’s all external——they blame everything on everybody else, probably because they’ve got NOTHING inside—-no brains, no compassion, nothing but privilege and entitlement and rage. It’s a lethal combination. Of course these guys hate everybody——everybody else is a potential stressor for them by not doing what they’re supposed to do like good little lackeys. Then they go to their MegabucksforJesus Church and say “I have sinned and I repent” and all the other hypocrites not their heads and accept it because the more people buy into it the more legit the revolving door of sin is. Of course they’re not ever really sorry. That would mean, for one thing, they regret hurting other people. But other people are the ones who are to blame for their transgressions.

Comment #23: ginmar  on  03/07  at  07:32 PM

“I have racked my brain and I cannot understand why it is that this sort of thing happens, that young men can get so thwarted and hateful towards any and all expressions of freedom and sensual pleasure.”
Seems like the obvious: it’s easy to be angry at people who not only have what you want (sex and/or love), but flaunt it in your faces (metaphorically or otherwise)...

Comment #24: Devonian  on  03/07  at  07:53 PM

It’s slut-shaming, for both sexes.

IMHO it’s time for people to take pride in sluttiness. And I mean in a mainstream way.

Comment #25: BrianX  on  03/07  at  08:01 PM

I don’t think the word is even valid. Who decides and how what’s a good number? It’s bashing somebody on the number of people they’ve had sex with. Me, I’d like to know more important things: do they bounce checks? Are they sexist? Assholes? Republicans? You can’t trust people on sight or even on casual acquaintance. If they’ve got one hatred, they’ve got more. I just found out that my harmless-seeming handyman was a racist scumbag and quick to call me crazy when I wouldn’t tolerate being cheated. We need words for that. I want some words with bite.

Comment #26: ginmar  on  03/07  at  08:48 PM

This could be a good thing.

It’s one thing to go after a bunch of scared young women on maybe the most vulnerable day of their lives,  who’ve probably got more on their plate to deal with just then and way more pressing uses for their few resources, than hiring a lawyer or two and ripping you a new one in court. It’s another to go after a pack of full grown males in rut with at least enough disposable income to go in for swinging in the first place.

If they fight back . . . well, when it comes to fighting these genuinely sick people who are essentially trying to limit sex to reproduction only, anyone who wants to make common cause with us should be welcome, but this group could be especially effective.

Comment #27: Molly, NYC  on  03/07  at  09:42 PM

I’m surprised that they don’t get more morning sickness oops ups on their obstructive shoes.

Comment #28: Ms Kate  on  03/07  at  09:57 PM

It’s bashing somebody on the number of people they’ve had sex with.

Even worse, it’s bashing somebody on the number of people the basher thinks they’ve had sex with. Most of the time, the basher couldn’t possibly have a clue how many partners the “slut” has had.

Comment #29: Dorothy  on  03/07  at  11:24 PM

“How do you think that will work?

“Yo, you’re neighbors are crazy assholes.”
“That’s why we got a restraining orders and a big dog” “

Except that if these guys are true to type, they’re trying to play to everyone not already in the crazy-hate group like they’re normal, moral, upstanding citizens.  I imagine your average die-hard clinic protester’s employer and co-workers would be more than a little skeeved out to find that Joe the mailroom guy prefers to spend his Saturday mornings chanting “Burn in hell, whore” at strangers.  Especially if media or police attention turned up a few really problematic facts, like the end-game Terry Schiavo protests that netted the pedophile who’d broken parole in order to turn up in person and send his kid across police lines with a cup of water.  The kind of people who pull this shit rather frequently have very unsavory police records, thank you hyperpatriarchal attitudes, controlling personalities, and penchant for violence. 

Employers and co-workers would be hard pressed not to be skeeved out by Joe the mailroom guy preferring to spend his Saturday mornings sexually harassing strangers with a smattering of convicted sex offenders.

Comment #30: preying mantis  on  03/07  at  11:45 PM

It depends.  A lot of information is public domain, especially if someone owns and pays taxes on property in their name.  I work with a real estate appraisal firm, so we get addresses and property tax information all the time from counties and cities, and one of the major ways they find that information?  Property owner/tax payer name.  I don’t know how one jumps from license plate number to name, but if that’s public domain too (or you have a good buddy with access), it’s actually pretty easy to track down the rest.

Comment #31: Karinna A.  on  03/08  at  12:24 AM

I assume that their principled, uncompromising stand against adultery will lead them to picket Mark Sanford’s house next.

Yeah…not holding my breath for that one.

Comment #32: Captain Bathrobe  on  03/08  at  01:24 AM

Dorothy, even if they knew the number, who cares? It just doesn’t tell you anything important about the person.

Comment #33: ginmar  on  03/08  at  01:55 AM

Employers and co-workers would be hard pressed not to be skeeved out by Joe the mailroom guy preferring to spend his Saturday mornings sexually harassing strangers with a smattering of convicted sex offenders.

I was trying to make the point that their colleagues and neighbors probably already know that they are kind of nuts. When I come across people of a similar persuasion alarm bells ring in my head and I’m probably not the only person they ring for.

Comment #34: pharmakos  on  03/08  at  02:06 AM

re: license plates

It varies from state to state, but a Lexis-Nexis subscription gets you a lot of DMV data in a lot of states. Now, Lexis-Nexis subscriptions are wicked expensive, but most college libraries have them. I’d also guess that you can pay for database access in a lot of states, the same way you can pay for database access for criminal background checks, credit checks, etc.

Comment #35: chingona  on  03/08  at  02:29 AM

we’ve already seen these guys, in 1930’s germany. back then, they were called “the brownshirts”, or the SA. lead by ernst rohmer,  they were largely responsible for adolph hitler’s rise to power in weimar germany. unfortunately (for the SA), at some point, they became a political liability for hitler, who then arranged to have their leadership (including rohmer, hitler’s longtime friend and supporter) assasinated, on the “Night of the Long Knives”.

the only difference i see here is the choice of uniform, same ideology.

Comment #36: cpinva  on  03/08  at  03:02 AM

Ugh, shitbags.

Now, I can see why they’d go after a swinger’s club. It’s the incredibly douchebaggy move of someone who can’t get through the day without making someone else miserable, but hey, I can see why.

But as Amanda pointed out, it’s just not “sexual immorality” (That being swinger’s clubs, adult shops, etc.) they’re after. It’s anything not of them: a mosque (those filthy brown terrists, amirite?), a coffeehouse (full of godless heathens who won’t stay in the house reading the Bible), a national park (burn the witches!), and other-friendly churches.

The swinger’s club is just target #1 of a bunch of shitstains who need to hurt people feel happy.

One has a word for that. I call it “evil”.

Comment #37: StarStorm  on  03/08  at  07:07 AM

Err, hurt people *to* feel happy.

Whups.

Comment #38: StarStorm  on  03/08  at  07:07 AM

This seems to be how it works with these fascist movements and we as a species fall for it again and again. We support certain acts for some marginalized and disliked minority group and then we’re shocked when it shows up against slightly less marginalized and disliked groups until it’s even happening against “normal people”. The same thing is happening with tazers and torture.

On the specific case, Repent Amarillo scared me when I first saw it on Pharyngula without any specific actions, just because of the map. The map was just such a red flag of the anti-choice terrorist websites of those maps and schedules of “baby-killing jesus-hating genocidal doctors” who then whistle innocently when the inevitable violence occurs. It’s an open call for specific terrorism which is even worse than the Fox News general adaptation (the federal government is always bad, kill something, anything federal, oh noes, I am so shocked a lone nutcase did something against the federal government, it had nothing to do with me). Fishing for psychotics in the general sense may get some fish, but the focused, we’ll do your planning for you is how you get the organized terrorism organizations like the anti-choice groups or the Taliban.

I’m not surprised they’ve stolen the whole of the anti-choice playbook and exploiting the laws designed to ok terrorism against “those filthy sex-crazed sluts”. As you note, they are really against sex and sexuality so why shouldn’t it expand with the slow roll-back of rights and public discourse? And once you ok tactics against one disliked minority, you ok them against every disliked minority over time until its normal operating procedure. See also how southern workarounds against having to integrate have become national right-wing rallying cries (such as the famous “state’s rights” cry).

Comment #39: Cerberus  on  03/08  at  08:29 AM

On their website, they promote “undercover missions.”  Wouldn’t it be funny if some of us turned the tables and infiltrated the organization?  Preferably get the job that involves calling the people and businesses to harrass them.  Repent Amarillo thinks you are doing it, but you don’t and less harm is done.

Although what would happen if they found out?  That might be a risk.

Comment #40: Albert Cirrus  on  03/08  at  12:18 PM

Pharmakos, that only works if they’re doing stuff that’s not directed at, say, women or sex. Those two areas, so to speak—-well, people never recognize abusive language directed at women, if they agree with it.

Comment #41: ginmar  on  03/08  at  12:34 PM

They call the cops with phony complaints.

I’m sure this has to be illegal.  Why are they getting away with this?  This isn’t some trivial annoyance.  If the police are wasting their time on a fake complaint, they may be missing a real crime that needs to be handled.  They are endanger everyone else for their petty game.

Comment #42: bananacat  on  03/08  at  01:22 PM

IMHO it’s time for people to take pride in sluttiness. And I mean in a mainstream way.

Well, this brings up the same problem that exists with abortions.  We’re not necessarily “proud” of our sluttiness, because we consider it to be morally neutral.  We don’t want to force abortions onto other people, and we don’t want people to feel pressured to have more sex than they want.  That’s what makes it so hard to fight against these types; we’re not just on opposite sides of these arguments.  I personally love sex and have it often, with multiple partners and no commitment.  I don’t think that is the right or best arrangement for all people.  I’m not ashamed of it and I don’t hide it when the topic comes up, but nor do I feel the need to announce it in unrelated conversations.  I completely respect anyone who chooses to have a different sex life than I do, which is why we’re so different than these douches.  I can’t really be proud of my sex life for the same reason I can’t be ashamed of it: it’s no better or worse than other people’s sex lives.

This isn’t an argument of sex-is-bad vs sex-is-good.  It’s an argument of sex-is-bad vs sex-is-morally-neutral.  It’s the same thing as with abortion, where they would try to peg us as forcing abortions onto unwilling women, even though we would be as horrified by that as we are horrified by banning abortion.

Comment #43: bananacat  on  03/08  at  01:32 PM

I live in Amarillo TX, and the most unfortunate aspect of the whole thing is that the Repent Amarillo/RAVEN Ministries people have a fairly large amount of local support, in an apathetic sort of way.

Take the guy they got fired, if his boss had a spine he’d have told Repent he didn’t care what his employees do in their off time.  But fearful of being outed as an employer of perverts, he fired an employee of 13 years.

Following a major mistake in their early days (they protested outside a mainstream Christian church with a large and locally powerful and wealthy congregation) Repent has been very selective in their targets, they only attack the weakest and most powerless.  The swingers are a perfect example.

They protest the occasional strip club, but only the least established, lower patronage, ones.  The biggest and wealthiest strip club in Amarillo has never seen a Repent protest. 

Repent likes its victims to be weak and powerless.

Their map doesn’t accurately reflect what they actually do.  They may identify many mainstream Christian churches as bad but after getting burned with their first experience going after a non-powerless target they’ve been very careful about staying away.

The head nutter, David Grisham, his wife, his son, his son’s wife, and some random black guy who claims to be a former Crip, make up the core of the group.  They’re joined on an occasional basis by whatever wackjob Christians aren’t busy that day, but mostly it’s just those five.  Unfortunately, they’re enough.

I’ve only interacted with them once myself, they were protesting a production of A Midsummer Night’s Dream (not because Shakespeare is dirty, but because the fairies were nude).  They stood just outside the property line, harassed anyone going in, read Bible quotes (they didn’t take my suggestion and read Ezekiel 23:20).

It’s easy to dismiss them as a small group of nutters and think they’re harmless, but they aren’t.  They’re moving the Overton window, they’re getting bolder, etc.  I don’t know what an effective tactic might be, the anti-Repent groups are growing, but really there isn’t a lot we can do.  Reverse outing won’t work because they’re already out to their various employers as nutbags.  Pantex knows all about Grisham and doesn’t care.  Christians are good, so being a super-Christian must make you super-good, right?

It’s depressing.

Comment #44: sotonohito  on  03/08  at  01:53 PM

I’m with Preying Mantis, it seems the best counter-protesting is to just bring a camera.
Look at all the money “No on I-71” spent here in Washington trying to keep the names on the ballot secret from all those violent gays who want “all [rights] but marriage.”

Comment #45: cynickal  on  03/08  at  02:14 PM

Catgirl, I don’t know about Texas, but here in Washington you can call in complaints anonymously be it liquor board violations, building code, whatever…

Comment #46: GeekGirlsRule  on  03/08  at  03:42 PM


They protest the occasional strip club, but only the least established, lower patronage, ones.  The biggest and wealthiest strip club in Amarillo has never seen a Repent protest.

This is interesting.

Comment #47: bay of arizona  on  03/08  at  04:09 PM

This is interesting.

Why? The biggest and wealthiest strip club in Amarillo must simply be where Repent’s patrons prefer to go.

Comment #48: Aaron  on  03/08  at  04:27 PM

“I’m sure this has to be illegal.”

It is, but it’s extremely difficult to prove.  A lot of violations are the sort of cops-have-to-witness-it crap (noise complaints are a favorite, as are tips about “suspected” drug dealing) that can ruin a party or someone’s day with a police visit/harassment session without providing evidence one way or another.  You usually have to get a pattern of really beyond-the-pale impossible complaints before you can even try to get the cops to have a “we will prosecute you”-type conversation with a known complainant.  If it’s an area or a type of complaint that allows for anonymity, you can demonstrate harassment after long enough but not necessarily a guilty party.

Comment #49: preying mantis  on  03/08  at  05:22 PM

I think its mostly just because they’re gun shy about attacking anyone or anyplace with clout.  First thing they did was attack one of the major Christian churches (I forget which one, but it was big, high membership, rich, and many of its members were influential in Amarillo), and they got smacked down hard. 

Since then they’ve taken the classic bully tactic of attacking only the weakest individuals and groups they can find. 

I doubt their decision to ignore the biggest strip club is even conscious, just a reflexive and wholly un-thought out avoidance of attacking power.

Not that a strip club owner in the middle of the Bible belt, no matter how wealthy, has much power or influence, but a rich strip club owner has more than the owner of a marginal strip club, so they go for the marginal clubs.

Mostly though they ignore the strip clubs and focus their attention on making the lives of the swingers as miserable as possible.  They really hate the swingers with a burning passion.  I mentioned that my only direct encounter with RAVEN/Repent was at a production of A Midsummer Night’s Dream, it was performed in the swinger’s space (before the owners had to give it up) and I’m halfway convinced that the only reason they bothered protesting was because of its venue.

The swingers owned a party/event/whatever rental space, it’s where they had their parties but mostly it was occupied not by the swingers but by various groups renting it for non-swinging purposes.  After RAVEN/Repent found out about the swingers they started protesting all events at that space in order to drive business away and force the swingers to close for lack of funds (in which they have been successful).

The lawyer representing the swingers is a friend of mine, and RAVEN/Repent is apparently stalking her and contacting all of her other clients in order to try and bully them into dropping her.

Comment #50: sotonohito  on  03/08  at  05:27 PM

preying mantis: Yes.  And, perhaps more to the point, a lot of the official power structure in Amarillo likes RAVEN/Repent to a degree.  The cops, especially, seem fond of them.

Comment #51: sotonohito  on  03/08  at  05:28 PM

And, perhaps more to the point, a lot of the official power structure in Amarillo likes RAVEN/Repent to a degree.  The cops, especially, seem fond of them Comment #51: sotonohito on 03/08 at 03:28 PM

And yet another reason for me to dislike cops. The ranks of them seem to be made up of reactionary jerk offs

Comment #52: pitbullgirl65  on  03/08  at  06:23 PM

I think bunches of emails to the DOE are in order.  .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

Comment #53: BetsyTX  on  03/08  at  08:24 PM

...why are we supposed to be emailing the Department of Energy?

Comment #54: preying mantis  on  03/08  at  11:28 PM
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