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I’m Peggy Olson, and I’d like to smoke…..

Update: G.D. has thoughts on this week’s episode.

I want to start this off by saying that I was wrong.  G.D. wrote a post about how “Mad Men” deals with overt misogyny and not racism because the writers realize that you can sell a likeable misogynist more easily than you can sell a likeable racist. In comments, I suggested that perhaps it’s a geographic thing—-by the early 60s, that sort of overt racism was already being treated in some circles as low class, especially in the Northeast.  And I still think that’s true to a degree—-Joan’s nasty comment to Paul’s girlfriend only worked because Joan was deliberately crossing an etiquette line (as well as a moral one)—-but then again, the country club racism that drives Republicanism knows no geography and thinks so highly of itself that it can’t be hemmed in by what the mere middle class thinks.  So, I was wrong.  The writers were going to get you sucked in, and then hit you over the head with Roger in black face singing “My Old Kentucky Home”, making you feel like a shit for every time you enjoyed his rascally ways. 

Pete and Trudy doing the Charleston was probably my favorite moment in the episode, mostly because it drove home how rarely you see a moment of pure joy in these characters’ lives, and plus it was a reminder that as tense as their marriage is, they did originally marry because they were in love.  But as innocent and gleeful as it seemed on its surface, taken with everything else that was going on at the country club—-particularly with Roger in black face—-the meaning couldn’t be clearer. These people are living in the past.  Trudy and Pete weren’t even born when the Charleston was popular.  In fact, they’re almost as far from that era as we are from the era of “Mad Men”, and I think the writers were going a little meta there, as if they were saying, “We don’t show you this era to tempt you to nostalgia, but to make you question why people have nostalgia for that era.”  The Charleston is from the same era as the shrill racism that characterized the early 20th century, to the point where the KKK was a viable political party.  Nostalgia is rarely innocent. Most people who long for the 50s do so because of the racism and sexism of the era, not despite it.  Interesting, I will say, that Pete was offended by the black face routine, but he, obviously, isn’t going to connect the dots between his nostalgia and Roger’s.  Makes me wonder if the writers are worried about people who tune in to get a rush of nostalgia without asking the hard questions about the injustices of the era.

As an aside, it was interesting to me that the black face thing made Don uncomfortable, and he snuck away.  I didn’t take that to mean that Don isn’t racist, exactly.  More that he had an uncomfortable realization that the people laughing at this crap hold poor white people of the sort he comes from in only slightly higher esteem than they do black people.  That’s what the whole thing about pissing in the trunks of cars was about.  I think in this episode Don realized he doesn’t much like the people in the world he’s penetrated by lying, cheating, and stealing. 

Of course, the marijuana scenes were the ones burning up Twitter, but I have to admit I didn’t initially think much of them, except that it was showing the present and future in contrast with these drunk idiots at a country club indulging racist nostalgic fantasies.  But upon further reflection, I have to say that it was interesting that we find out that Paul was a scholarship student at Princeton.  That means that the three people left behind to work were the sole woman trying to break into the boys club at Sterling Cooper, the left-leaning privileged young man who quoted the SDS manifesto at a client last season, and an exemplar of the new American middle class that was beginning to emerge as things like the GI bill made it easier for entire classes of people go to college, people whose parents would have never dreamed of it.  Basically, the sort of people who are about to move from being a minority in their world towards the kind of people who largely redefined what being a middle class American would mean, kicking off the culture wars that we’re still fucking fighting.  They’re in the same world as the folks at the country club, but they are threatening to turn their world upside down, and even they don’t really get that.

The Joan scenes were great, too.  I think Joan has started to wake up to the fact that her husband-to-be isn’t a very good doctor, and that social climbing through him might not work out as well as she’d hoped.  The whole thing is even more embittering, because Joan is hyper-competent, and the world routinely refuses to reward her for that with anything but more shit work.  The last scene with the accordion drove this home.  Of course Joan can play the accordion.  Is there anything she can’t do?  But instead of being treated like the smart, talented woman she is, she’s reduced to a trophy, a decorative object for display and entertainment.  That she was playing the accordion and not any other instrument isn’t a coincidence; she’s acting the part of the trained monkey.  No one imagines her as someone with actual human talents and skills.  They treat her like an animal whose purpose is to amaze them just by showing that she can act like people.

Nice touch, too, making Sally read Gibbon’s The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.  Ross Lincoln pointed out to me in chat that more than a few of the wealthy white people that the show chronicles would agree with Gibbon’s belief that “feminizing” influences destroy great civilizations.

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 05:29 PM • (58) Comments

“Most people who long for the 50s do so because of the racism and sexism of the era, not despite it. “

And I thought it was because my Mom used to have warm Chocolate Chip cookies waiting for me when I got home from school on days it was raining, and my dog Tinkerbell would meet me at the gate and rub her head on my knees, and Engineer Bill would come on TV at 5pm and show us his neat train! Guess I have false consciousness!

Comment #1: ayutokamina  on  08/31  at  05:58 PM

As for that Charleston number — just as ’70s and ’80s nostalgia comes up in recent entertainment, in the 1950 and early ’60s it was nostaligia for the 1920s (and ’30s.)

The Untouchables TV series (1959) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Untouchables_(1959_TV_series)

Another series named, literally, The Roaring Twenties 1960-’62 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Roaring_Twenties_(TV_series)

Some Like It Hot, the Marilyn Monroe vehicle set in the 1920s (1959) would have made it to TV by 1963: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Some_Like_It_Hot

I remember learning the Charleston as a kid, informally, in that period but as privileged WASPs Trudy and Pete would have had dancing lessons (cotillion) at about the same age.

Comment #2: judybrowni  on  08/31  at  05:59 PM

I have yet to watch a single episode of Mad Men, but I wanted to say your analyses have been my favorite posts of late.  They are really great, and the commentary following is of just as high a caliber.

Comment #3: bomberE  on  08/31  at  05:59 PM

No one imagines her as someone with actual human talents and skills.  They treat her like an animal whose purpose is to amaze them just by showing that she can act like people.

I partly disagree with you—I found that whole sequence fascinating because the chief surgeon’s wife is clearly the decider for this promotion.  If Joan’s fiance gets the job, it’s because she liked Joan, not because Joan’s lameass fiance deserves it.  It was an interesting reveal of the “power behind the throne” that does actually exist even if it’s never as good as being able to openly wield that power for yourself.  An ambitious woman could go quite far if she chose her front man wisely, and that seems to be the case with the chief surgeon’s wife.

That was also the final subtext between Peggy and her secretary—her secretary knows that she can go far and wield a lot of power if she’s assisting the right person, and she’s afraid she’s going to end up in a dead end by supporting Peggy.

Comment #4: Mnemosyne  on  08/31  at  06:03 PM

Good point, Mnem.  I was chilled by the how’d-he-get-you line.  No one wants to hear that about their significant other.

Comment #5: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/31  at  06:06 PM

I agree that Don’s discomfort, distain, for Roger’s blackface is at least in part based on Don/Dick’s awareness of outsider status, but the Roger’s disgusting act is also concurrent with the Civil Rights Movement.

Either in this episode, or a previous, a news bulletin about that movement is playing on the radio with Don in the room—so far, Don has dealt with the few blacks in his Mad world as people, rather than the Other, at least for that period.

As a child in that period, I was hyper aware of the Civil Rights movement: on the nightly news protesting black children in the South were being firehosed and having German Shepherds set on them.

I’ve no doubt that the character Don would also have been disgusted by those displays of naked power and racism, daily on the news.

Comment #6: judybrowni  on  08/31  at  06:08 PM

As for that Charleston number — just as ’70s and ’80s nostalgia comes up in recent entertainment, in the 1950 and early ’60s it was nostaligia for the 1920s (and ’30s.)

And in the 1970s and 80s, it was nostalgia for the 1950s—see “Happy Days,” 50s diners, etc.

Comment #7: Mnemosyne  on  08/31  at  06:08 PM

And I thought it was because my Mom used to have warm Chocolate Chip cookies waiting for me when I got home from school on days it was raining,

So, you DO get nostalgic for the sexism of the ‘50s.

Comment #8: Entomologista  on  08/31  at  06:15 PM

@ayukamina
Assuming you’re nostalgic for the 50s as opposed to your particular childhood, you don’t think that longing for the days when the typical mom spent her time baking in the kitchen has anything to do with sexism?

Comment #9: jalmondale  on  08/31  at  06:15 PM

The Happy Days nostalgia never hooked me in the ‘80s, I was all too aware of the unhappy aspects of that period—asked my father about it, too, and he said, “Those were the dark ages.”

McCarthyism, the threat of nuclear war, the battles of the Civil Rights movement (including bombings as terrorism against blacks, and others.)

In 1960 my father was sent for the summer to work on the space race at an air force base in Tennessee.

And I was a ten year old child horrified by the naked prejudice in comparason to New Jersey—not only the “Colored” and “White” bathrooms and water fountains, but the actual threats.

My mother was Catholic and found a pretty, local church for us to attend, I remember her complimenting one of the local congregation on the building, but that woman’s reply frightened and horrified me, “Oh yes, we like it, and we’ve managed to keep it. All our previous churches were burned down.”

That some strangers in the part of the country could hate me enough for my familiy’s religion that they would burn us out , perhaps burn the building down when we were there—I can still feel the horror.

So Don is also reacting to Roger’s blackface in that culture, while the battles for the Civil Rights Movement were being fought hand-to-hand.

Comment #10: judybrowni  on  08/31  at  06:17 PM

We must be getting close to the March on Washington and ‘I Have A Dream.’  I wonder if they’ll deal with it at all.

Comment #11: BetsyD  on  08/31  at  06:22 PM

Another interesting thing about this most recent episode I have gleaned from reading commentary on it:  the “Connie” from New Mexico that Don reminisced with (and mixed up an Old Fashioned for) was almost certainly supposed to be Conrad Hilton.  I’d never have picked up on that myself…the consistent level of period detail and research and the subtle attempts to relate it in some way to the present remains astounding.

Comment #12: Felix Culpa  on  08/31  at  06:29 PM

I think it’s entirely possible to be disdaining and nostalgic at the same time.

I am nostalgic for the fashions of the fifties—which were beautiful, so don’t even think of arguing with me!—but not the sexism and racism, thank you very much.

We’ve come a little way with the latter, though we’ve miles to go.

As for fashion, well, what passes for it today is overpriced, badly-made rubbish, I’m afraid.  I love my jeans and sweats as much as the next person, but you won’t catch me wearing them to work or weddings, which seems to have become an unfortunate trend of late.  Seeing Mad Men’s well-groomed men and women—wearing hats, even—reminds me of that, and I tend to dress up a bit more on Mondays as a result.

Comment #13: litbrit  on  08/31  at  06:31 PM

I think Joan has started to wake up to the fact that her husband-to-be isn’t a very good doctor

Actually, Joan’s pretty clearly already married.  She talked to Peggy about her ring at the beginning of their elevator scene, and Roger calls her Mrs. Whatever now.  She had said she’d be married at Christmas, and that seems to be in the six months we skipped this time.  Also she’s been questioned about still being at work a bunch, and I thought it was fascinating to find out that it was probably because she’s bringing in most of the money.  Re-watch that scene with the ladies in the kitchen at Joan’s - the one says something like that she was bringing in three times what her husband made when they got married and she was a kindergarten teacher.  I’m so interested to see what happens with Joan.

Comment #14: Mimi  on  08/31  at  06:33 PM

Also she’s been questioned about still being at work a bunch, and I thought it was fascinating to find out that it was probably because she’s bringing in most of the money.

Ah—that helps explain that scene with Roger’s new wife (and Joan’s former colleague) where she tells Joan to have one of the “girls” run down and flag down her driver when she’s ready to leave.  She’s rubbing it in that she married a rich partner and Joan married a poor doctor.

Comment #15: Mnemosyne  on  08/31  at  06:40 PM

I’ve no doubt that the character Don would also have been disgusted by those displays of naked power and racism, daily on the news.

I tend to think so, too.  I agree with Amanda that Don’s reaction to Roger’s blackface minstrelsy is partly rooted in his own class awareness, but Don has also at a couple of other points hinted that he seems to get what people who weren’t white and/or Christian had to deal with:

1.  In the first season, when Roger asks Don if Sterling Cooper has any Jewish employees (because they’re meeting Rachel Menken), Don replies with a hint of sarcasm, “Not on my watch.”

2.  Don’s lunch with Rachel in which he wants to know more about how Rachel, as an American Jew, feels about Israel, etc.  Yeah, it’s clumsy in that “tell me what it’s like for your people” kind of way, but I think it shows Don wants to understand Rachel in a way that most people she deals with don’t care to.  Contrast that with Pete Campbell’s (earlier) veiled suggestion that Rachel might be better served going to a “Jewish” agency.

3.  In the second season, when Don, Freddie, and Roger in are in the secret casino/bar, and Roger says to Don, “DDB just hired a black kid.  What do you think of that?”  Don replies, “I’d hate to be that kid,” which struck me as rather sympathetic.

None of which would mean that Don isn’t racist, but perhaps he is less so than his colleagues.

Comment #16: Linnaeus  on  08/31  at  06:47 PM

Linnaeus:  I would also add that the very first time we ever see Don Draper in the series, it is when he speaks to the black waiter at the bar or restaurant he is in, and seeks his opinions on why he smokes the brand of cigarettes he does.  The white head waiter comes over under the belief that the black waiter is being unwelcomely “chatty” with Don, and Don basically just sends him away.  I do not think it is an accident that the first time we see Don Draper, he’s talking to a black person and treating him just like he would treat anyone else.

Comment #17: Felix Culpa  on  08/31  at  06:53 PM

I think it’s entirely possible to be disdaining and nostalgic at the same time.

It is, but not without its tensions.  Having a real understanding of the miseries of the time will color your appreciation for some aspects.  And even in just the mundane ways…..every time I start to envy the clothes, I think about how they were really hot in an era with no air conditioning and how they must stink with everyone smoking all the time.

Comment #18: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/31  at  06:58 PM

that whole Charleston part… a real WTF? moment in the show last night. It seemed so out of character for Pete. Also creepazoid touching Betty’s stomach. Umm.. NO.

Best part was Peggy smoking of course. And then telling her secretary to STOP g-d worrying! Still good advice.

Joan’s scenes made my heart break. God I like her so much. I want her to break out of all that b.s. & kick ass.

Comment #19: Danica Lefse Queen  on  08/31  at  07:24 PM

I love my jeans and sweats as much as the next person, but you won’t catch me wearing them to work or weddings, which seems to have become an unfortunate trend of late.  Seeing Mad Men’s well-groomed men and women—wearing hats, even—reminds me of that, and I tend to dress up a bit more on Mondays as a result.

Personally, I’m glad we’re past the era where everyone, including those doing dirty sweaty jobs were expected to dress in formal businesswear instead of business casual or better yet….jeans and sweatpants.  I’ve always wondered about what’s in the minds of those who mandate formal suits and dresses…even for those doing dirty and sweaty jobs like IT…...arghh!!

From what mom told me about the ‘50s, it was like living as if one was acting out a movie/play on stage and felt so fake.  Parents of one close high school buddy said that one of the best things the boomers like them did was to protest to force universities and colleges to do away with overly restrictive dress codes so current undergrads(circa 1990s) no longer had to wear stuffy dresses and suits and tie.  From looking through a copy of my undergrad’s 1953 yearbook, I’m glad I didn’t grow up in the ‘50s….:p

Comment #20: exholt  on  08/31  at  07:29 PM

Mnem@15: Not only that, but I realized later that there’s an added tension from Joan and Roger formerly being an item, but Jane “got” him—I seem to recall that Joan wasn’t interested in marrying Roger, but even if that’s true Jane surely have known about the affair and probably would’ve felt some added malicious glee in getting a few kicks in.

I can’t tell if Don was discomfited by the racism of the blackface routine (I suspect not so much, especially since most of the rest of the crowd seemed to be highly amused) as much as by Roger making a fool of himself. He came out and said as much about his opinion of Roger a little later. Don’s reaction to Roger & Jane dancing at the very end I found much more interesting/intriguing.

Joan’s dinner party was my favorite storyline of this episode, but everyone’s already covered anything I have to say about it so I’ll skip to Peggy’s speech to Olive - I’m surprised you didn’t say anything about it, Amanda. At face value it’s the realization of the stoner-wish to have what you say while high actually be insightful (was it just me who thought she might wake up the next morning regretting a few of the things recorded by the dictaphone?), but there’s also some kind of projection going on (Olive as mother figure/ All Working Women/Peggy’s self in another life). Not to say that Peggy wasn’t right, but her declaration that “I will be everything you hope I will be” or whatever the wording was seemed to me to be much more of a statement about her own wishes - or perhaps more accurately her belief about what Olive’s wishes are - than whatever this new, relatively anonymous character is thinking.

Comment #21: Geocrackr  on  08/31  at  07:31 PM

Felix Culpa:  Oh, yes…I’d forgotten about that scene.

Comment #22: Linnaeus  on  08/31  at  07:37 PM

You know, at first I thought Peggy was being an egotist, but then Olive made a face that inclined me to think that Peggy was on to something.  And then I thought about it: Olive stayed late even though she didn’t have to, she mothers Peggy in a really obvious way, etc.  She’s invested in Peggy being a success.  Like Mnem said, it could be that she sees Peggy is going to be moving up and she wants to hitch onto that wagon.  (Being the big man’s secretary has certainly worked for Peggy.)  But maybe she’s a little bit invested in the idea of Peggy, too.  If you’re a secretary there, it seems you’d either resent/be jealous of Peggy, or you’d get invested in her success as proof that women can be more.  It would be hard to see the sole female copywriter fail.

Comment #23: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/31  at  07:40 PM

I liked the Charleston scene a lot, too, but I didn’t understand why Harry Crane’s wife (whose name escapes me at the moment) reacted so negatively to Trudy and Pete’s dancing.

Comment #24: Linnaeus  on  08/31  at  07:45 PM

that whole Charleston part… a real WTF? moment in the show last night. It seemed so out of character for Pete.

I disagree—it was a perfect opportunity for Pete to show up his peers and demonstrate to the partners how well he fits in with them.  It was completely in character for him, if a little startling to see Pete do it through dance.

Comment #25: Mnemosyne  on  08/31  at  07:50 PM

Amanda, do you know the translation of the French song that Joan sang?  Given that nothing is done on this show without deeper meaning, I can’t help but think it must have been a commentary on privilege or class.  It broke my heart to see tears in Joan’s eyes as she sang.  She knew how he was treating her.

Comment #26: jackspratt  on  08/31  at  08:03 PM

Remember when Joan told Roger she hopes he never loses someone he loves?  I wonder if Jane is ill.  Maybe stress and nervousness has killed her appetite.  But I have to wonder whether she’s going to die.

Comment #27: SarahMC  on  08/31  at  08:08 PM

the song, “c’est magnifique” is a cole porter song from the musical “can-can.” it’s sung by the main female character, the proprietess of a can-can club who falls in love with an uptight judge who is trying to have the place shut down.

Comment #28: chareth cutestory  on  08/31  at  08:10 PM

so, in other words, it’s a totally cheesy 50s broadway standard, but maybe there’s some meaning to be teased out (and come on, it’s mad men, when is there NOT?)

Comment #29: chareth cutestory  on  08/31  at  08:11 PM

Linnaeus @24- She saw Pete and Trudy dancing and being happy and resented Harry for not showing her more of a good time, just treating her like an accessory.  Never mind that they are miserable half the time; as long as they appear so happy in such a public and visible way, they are to be envied.

Comment #30: jamie d  on  08/31  at  08:12 PM

Speaking of teasing out deeper meanings, thanks for highlighting the Decline and Fall passages; they, and the references that Paul made to his senior thesis, something about the stoics and the epicureans if I remember correctly, really do put the whole thing into perspective.  This, along with the “Love Among the Ruins” theme from last weeks episode, seem to show their whole world on the brink of collapse, in the waning days of empire.

Comment #31: jamie d  on  08/31  at  08:17 PM

jamie d:  Okay, that makes sense, especially considering that after she walked off, Harry didn’t follow her to find out what the problem was.

Comment #32: Linnaeus  on  08/31  at  08:18 PM

Music, or lack thereof, illustrating all the ways we live in the past. Just an lovely, tightly-written episode, and such fine commentary inspired by it.

I liked the Charleston scene a lot, too, but I didn’t understand why Harry Crane’s wife (whose name escapes me at the moment) reacted so negatively to Trudy and Pete’s dancing.

Well, Harry almost pushes her off the dance floor to watch their seemingly effortless dance. And she knows, for all her pushing and prodding Harry, for all her genuine affection for him, and for all that he achieves professionally, it’s always going to be forced and strained with him. He’ll always be (as Peggy tells him) more of a spectator.

Comment #33: Gracchus.  on  08/31  at  09:10 PM

Music, or lack thereof, illustrating all the ways we live in the past.

According to Wikipedia, Cole Porter’s “Can-Can” is set in the 1890s, so the song Joan sings is ersatz nostalgia.

Comment #34: Mnemosyne  on  08/31  at  09:15 PM

because the writers realize that you can sell a likeable misogynist more easily than you can sell a likeable racist
I think one of the reasons is because misogyny is (still) not seen as bad as racism. For example: was the gym shooters crime labeled as the hate crime it was?

Comment #35: pitbullgirl65  on  08/31  at  09:21 PM

According to Wikipedia, Cole Porter’s “Can-Can” is set in the 1890s, so the song Joan sings is ersatz nostalgia.

Trudy and Pete, re-capturing what made them fall in love (especially after that look on their faces during the discussions about pregnancy)

Paul, using a ragtime song to proving that, yes, he did belong in the Tiger Tones (Class of ‘55)—and proving it just as much to his colleagues as to his privileged fellow-alum who’s wasted his education.

Roger, still thinking he’s safe in a world of his own making, with guests he’s chosen because they’re supposed to understand—singing a minstrel tune.

Etc. And consider who doesn’t have music.

Nice touch, too, making Sally read Gibbon’s The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.  Ross Lincoln pointed out to me in chat that more than a few of the wealthy white people that the show chronicles would agree with Gibbon’s belief that “feminizing” influences destroy great civilizations.

The source of Don’s discomfort with the entire country club party: Hellenised Romans.

Comment #36: Gracchus.  on  08/31  at  09:26 PM

Yeah, most of the show is about shattering the idea of nostalgia, but they really brought it home this episode. I think it’s because of the giant foreshadowing of impending change with the Selma broadcast and the Goldwater hint. As the world begins to escape the old dominance, they turn impulsively back in an attempt to keep it from falling apart.

Roger’s girlfriend seems like she might be on meth or speed or one of the other diet drugs of the time.

Comment #37: Cerberus  on  08/31  at  11:04 PM

Good call Cerberus.  Didn’t they use amphetamines as a diet drug?  And Jane didn’t eat anything at the party, claiming that’s why she was drunk.  Maybe a bulimia storyline is emerging.

Comment #38: jackspratt  on  08/31  at  11:55 PM

My favorite line:  Grandpa Gene, “All hell is about to break loose!”  He was talking about the Roman Empire, but we know everything that is coming next.

Comment #39: jackspratt  on  08/31  at  11:59 PM

Was anybody else completely skeeved out by “Code Pink - it’s when there’s an attractive unconscious woman! Hahaha!”? Because, wow. Was it routine for doctors to ogle and/or assault their unconscious female patients?

Comment #40: Entomologista  on  09/01  at  12:09 AM

Did anyone else notice a similarity between Peggy’s speech to Olive (“I am not scared of any of this. But you’re scared. Oh my god! You’re scared. Don’t worry about me. I am going to do everything you want for me. I’m going to be fine, Olive.”) and her speech in Season 1 to Joan, where she interrupts Joan and essentially tells her that she knows that she (Joan) is trying to be helpful but that she (Peggy) doesn’t need the help?

The tone was a little different as was the situation (Joan was a superior at the time; Peggy was stoned talking to Olive), but in both situations Peggy is able to interrupt a conversation in which a female coworker is being critical of her by deftly noting the concerns and transcending them via apt metacommentary, in both cases revealing just what a strong person Peggy is and apparently stunning her interlocutor a little.

Comment #41: Ben Alpers  on  09/01  at  01:32 AM

1. The episode begins with the Ann-Margaret lookalike imitating Ann-Margaret in Bye Bye Birdie:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bye_Bye_Birdie#Cultural_references

2. There’s a whole lotta performing going on. And not just music. On another viewing, I became particularly interested in the overused partial recitation of The Hollow Men: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hollow_Men

Those who have crossed  
With direct eyes, to death’s other Kingdom  
Remember us - if at all - not as lost  
Violent souls, but only  
As the hollow men  
The stuffed men.

Comment #42: Roxanne  on  09/01  at  03:23 AM

Which goes to Amanda’s point.

Comment #43: Roxanne  on  09/01  at  03:39 AM

40-

Yeah. I mean, talk about being smacked in the face with just how bad the rape culture was back then. It’s pretty damn bad now and I knew some things, but that actually shook me for a bit.

I wonder though if the one drug pusher’s constant attempts to bed Peggy while stoned and trick her into an alone situation was partially trying to contrast something we’d see as “acceptable” rape-activity today versus the obviously abhorrent Code Pink.

Comment #44: Cerberus  on  09/01  at  06:30 AM

Yes, the “Code Pink” line chilled me, that they’d so casually particpiate and joke about (I assume) feeling up an unconscious hot chick.  I think it was the most direct allusion to Joan’s husband raping her so far, by giving us another situation where women’s lack of consent was ignored.

And interesting point, Cerberus—I didn’t see the drug dealer as necessarily threatening or trying to coerce Peggy but he might have been.

On another topic, I wondered about the last kiss between Don and Betty.  As much as their problems and infidelity were hinted at in this episode, there was also this sweet, *private* romantic moment between them… in an episode where 3 other couples were shown putting on their marriages as a performance for other people.

Comment #45: NicoleG  on  09/01  at  11:10 AM

Oh, and it’s funny how in season one Joan was seen as the strong, witty, badass female character and Peggy was naive and floundering.  Now it’s clear Peggy is the embodiment of growing female agency and constantly defying people’s expectations… while Joan has taken such a sad turn.

Comment #46: NicoleG  on  09/01  at  11:19 AM

It was a great time to be a (white) (male) American, especially if you were a returning vet, in the 50s. In a world depleted of consumer goods, the US (and Canada) were about the only industrialized countries whose factories were intact and ready to go. So blue collar workers were all working. Thanks to the GI Bill, men were going/had gone to college who had never even dreamed it was possible for them. Further, returning vets whose families had rented for generations could buy a home of their own, thanks to the GI Bill. Guys who had been unable to support a family finally asked their sweethearts to get married.

On the other hand, you faced the imminent threat of global thermonuclear war. And if you were a black man, the country you had fought for still treated you as a last-class citizen. Rosie the Riveter had to quit to let a returning GI take her job. Etc.

Comment #47: Hector B.  on  09/01  at  12:36 PM

Most people who long for the 50s do so because of the racism and sexism of the era, not despite it.

 

This jumped out at me, too; not because I’m nostalgic about the 50’s but because the people who are don’t say anything about the racism and only revel in the sexism for having stay at home moms at the standard.  It could have been stay at home dads and the nostalgia would be the same—it’s being a kid and having a grown up devoted to your care 24/7.  Unless Amanda has some survey that would support this statment it seems, yet again, she’s projecting her own thoughts onto others without evidence.  Since she sees so much of the 50’s as benighted that anyone having nostalgia for those days must like them for their bygone evils.  As Hector’s first paragraph illustrates there were pockets of progress that filled (some) folk with hope for the future and increased general prosperity.  I can’t be nostalgic about the 50’s at all precisely because so much of what people seem to like came out of awfulness.  Elvis made some good music but personified the racist youth with slicked pompadours and that sneering smirk of a smile. 

I thought the episode’s cultural timing of the blackface and the marijuana were both off, which surprised me since I hadn’t seen a wrong note at all before on the series.  The blackface was late, since this episode must be 1964.  By then it would certainly be seen as in poor taste and unfunny by most, particularly in New York.  When I was in 2nd or 3rd grade my whole class of 25 kids were put in blackface to do a “Minstral Show” for the parents at school, but this was 1957 or ‘58 in Tennessee and wasn’t done again while we lived there.  The Freedom Rides began in ‘61 and Paul (?) apparently went on one (after Don bumped him out of the California trip).  Even if the episode pre-dates the Goodman, Schwerner and Chaney murders of June, 1964,  the movement was in full-swing by then. 

The marijuana experiment seems early by at least 2-3 years, at least to filter up to corporate America.  Paul and his drug dealer were Princeton ‘55 and that seems really early for grass to be in the privileged college ranks.  Of course, Peggy getting stoned in the first half hour of smoking is ludicrous but that’s poetic license, I guess.

Comment #48: MiddleageLiberal  on  09/01  at  03:19 PM

I thought the episode’s cultural timing of the blackface and the marijuana were both off, which surprised me since I hadn’t seen a wrong note at all before on the series.

You may be right about the blackface, but I think you’re wrong about the marijuana.  It may not have been as openly celebrated in the 1950s as it was in the late 1960s, but it was absolutely there.  Robert Mitchum’s scandalous pot bust was in 1948, so it doesn’t seem that odd to me that pretentious college students would be experimenting with it in the mid-1950s.  (What did you think the Beats were smoking, tobacco?)  It also did not seem at all odd to me that working-class Peggy had never run into it.

Comment #49: Mnemosyne  on  09/01  at  03:53 PM

I think those of you who are offended at Amanda’s claim that nostalgia for the 50’s is rooted in sexism and racism are misreading what she means by nostalgia.  She doesn’t mean liking 50’s music or 50’s fashion or romanticizing your childhood.  She’s talking about the conservative narrative that the 50s were the Golden Age that we should all seek to return to, when Men were Men, Women were Women, and all the children were Above Average.  You may have fond memories of your mom having cookies for you, but as long as you don’t expand that to demanding that Good Women stay at home and Bake Cookies like in the Good Old Days, then she’s not talking about you.

Comment #50: Denise  on  09/01  at  04:50 PM

We read The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire and watch Mad Men to understand ourselves. It really not that complicated of an idea.

Comment #51: Roxanne  on  09/01  at  04:55 PM

@Middleageliberal:  My father in law was still participating in a black face minstrel show in Michigan in 1972 and didn’t see anything wrong with it.  Don’t underestimate peoples’ ability to not have a clue.

Comment #52: jackspratt  on  09/01  at  05:06 PM

Nostalgia - it’s delicate, but potent. Teddy told me that in Greek, “nostalgia” literally means “the pain from an old wound.” It’s a twinge in your heart far more powerful than memory alone. This device isn’t a spaceship, it’s a time machine. It goes backwards, and forwards… it takes us to a place where we ache to go again. It’s not called the wheel, it’s called the carousel. It let’s us travel the way a child travels - around and around, and back home again, to a place where we know are loved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suRDUFpsHus

oooooo. META.

There’s a play within the play. Don even mentions A Midsummer Night’s Dream.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Midsummer_Night’s_Dream#Love

Comment #53: Roxanne  on  09/01  at  05:08 PM

@MiddleageLiberal:  I’m pretty sure it’s May 1963 not May 1964.  We have the Kennedy assassination to look forward to….and we know that Roger’s daughter’s wedding will take place on the same day.

Comment #54: Ben Alpers  on  09/01  at  05:33 PM

This jumped out at me, too; not because I’m nostalgic about the 50’s but because the people who are don’t say anything about the racism and only revel in the sexism for having stay at home moms at the standard.  It could have been stay at home dads and the nostalgia would be the same—it’s being a kid and having a grown up devoted to your care 24/7.

I’d assume that white people under the age of 50 who wax nostalgic about the 1950s due to “cultural values” (as opposed to focusing on fashion, music and the like) are doing so mainly out of a longing for the blatant sexism and racism that were components of that era—just about the only “values” they long for that had any basis in reality.

The blackface was late, since this episode must be 1964.  By then it would certainly be seen as in poor taste and unfunny by most, particularly in New York

There’s a memorable 2-part episode of “All in the Family” (“Birth of the Baby”) from 1975 where Archie has been participating in a minstrel show at his lodge, and shows up to his grandchild’s birth in blackface. Being a liberal sitcom, it’s shown in a bad light, but it isn’t presented as something that might be completely unexpected, either.

I wouldn’t be surprised if minstrel shows went on behind closed doors (country clubs, fraternal organisations, etc.) well into the 1980s, or indeed beyond—which is the point of Roger’s little retort about the pleasures being able to invite his own like-minded guests to a restricted location.

So just because the blatant racism occured behind closed doors, on private property, doesn’t mean it didn’t exist. Same goes for drug use ...

The marijuana experiment seems early by at least 2-3 years, at least to filter up to corporate America.  Paul and his drug dealer were Princeton ‘55 and that seems really early for grass to be in the privileged college ranks.

You might want to read http://people.virginia.edu/~srs4f/HIUS website/1950s.html (leave the space after HIUS), keeping in mind that college students have always had an affinity for experimentation and Bohemianism. I find it entirely plausible that someone like Paul might have began experimenting as early as 1955, if only to find out why the Beatniks found it so interesting.

It’s also plausible that Peggy, who comes from a sheltered, Catholic, working-class background, and lived at home while attending secretarial school, might only be experiencing pot use as late as 1963.

Comment #55: Gracchus.  on  09/01  at  06:28 PM

@MiddleageLiberal:  I’m pretty sure it’s May 1963 not May 1964.  We have the Kennedy assassination to look forward to….and we know that Roger’s daughter’s wedding will take place on the same day.
Comment #54: Ben Alpers

Ah, right you are.  I mistakenly thought the foreshadowing of 11/23 was for Roger’s wedding which had already taken place by this episode.

I guess I stand corrected, too, on the minstrel shows continuing into the mid-sixties and beyond.  I was in an all-white Ohio town from 1962 until 1970 and it wouldn’t have been tolerated there.  It was Goldwater Republican, too, but maybe not quite as racist as I have thought, or as other places.

Comment #56: MiddleageLiberal  on  09/02  at  01:55 PM

You might want to read http://people.virginia.edu/~srs4f/HIUS website/1950s.html (leave the space after HIUS), keeping in mind that college students have always had an affinity for experimentation and Bohemianism. I find it entirely plausible that someone like Paul might have began experimenting as early as 1955, if only to find out why the Beatniks found it so interesting.
Comment #55: Gracchus

OK, having read that link I am in full retreat from my earlier post on the episode’s anachronisms.  Since “Reefer Madness”, made in 1936, wasn’t resurrected as comedy until the late 60’s or early 70’s and marijuana hadn’t penetrated high schools in my area until the early 70’s I forgot or didn’t know its reach elsewhere.

Comment #57: MiddleageLiberal  on  09/02  at  02:10 PM

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That means Beatlemania is also on its way. Be interesting how they handle it with the British bosses.

Comment #58: Cerberus  on  09/02  at  02:40 PM

I shouldn’t have doubted the show’s researchers.  Thinking about this today I remembered Roger was singing “Old Kentucky Home” in honor of the Kentucky Derby, since the party’s excuse was Derby Day, the first week in May.  The line ” the darkies are gay” was an accurate lyric for the year.  The word “darkies” was changed to “people” for purposes of its use as the Kentucky state song by an act of the Kentucky legislature in 1986:  http://www.kdla.ky.gov/resources/KYSong2.htm

Comment #59: MiddleageLiberal  on  09/02  at  07:35 PM
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