It’s not simply that the social message of the Republican Party tends to be averse to the rights of blacks, Hispanics, gays, lesbians, etc., but that economic conservatism inherently embraces the social phobias and hangups that define conservatism.

Ultimately, the Doughy Pantload is going to have to deal with one of the big “etc.“‘s you mention. Jonah, in his rank ignorance and stupidy, drank the Kool-Aid and somehow thought the neoCons had magically eliminated anti-semitism from the that toxic mix. Does he really think a Palin-supporting Know-Nothing who’s bigoted against blacks, hispanics, feminists and homosexuals in the way you describe doesn’t also see Jews as money-grubbing puppetmasters straight out of The Protocols? Forget “liberal fascism,” Jonah—you’re about to see a resurgence of the old-fashioned type.

The GOP has joined the ranks of the rightwing racist Christianist terrorist groups, along with the Aryan Nation, militia movement, and the rest.

Black people aren’t simply whiny, they’re welfare-begging reparations hogs who must be stopped before they steal valid white moneys.

Who didn’t understand that all of McCain’s hooha about Obama the “socialist” “redistributionist” was code for exactly this? It wasn’t even subtle. More like a fire siren than a dog whistle.

These assholes spent the whole campaign deliberately whipping up hatred. In civilized countries, political parties that do that tend to get themselves banned.

I would have to agree with Steve above that the standard dog whistle has turned into a siren.  It’s not subtle or euphemistic any longer.  The gop has opened this can and it will be ugly getting rid of it.

That said, as horrible as it is, as dreadful and ridiculous as prop. 8 is, I think we need these things to fight against.  It’s difficult to make a more abstract to those in the middle who, along with intellect, don’t seem to have much passion to put into anything outside of sports and the next paycheck.  It’s a fucking shame we have to extreme cases to demonstrate the necessity of moving these rethugs back to the margins (if not off the map completely) but we do, obviously.

The next four is going to be a difficult, tumultuous time, at the very least but it’s just possible that when we come out at the other end of this we might see people like pantload where they belong, unemployed and unemployable.

Mike:

I’m not sure that Goldberg, Malkin et al are honorary WASPs so much as they are examples of the maxim “no zealot like a convert”. Come the revolution they wouldn’t be up against the wall, they’d be kept as amusing pets: “Look, he thinks he’s people.”

Conservatives are pro Jew in the same way a fisherman is pro worm. I.e., “Let’s use them as bait to start the apocalypse!”

Speaking of which, remember all the breathless commentary from the likes of Goldberg on how Obama would never, EVER get the Jewish vote? Yeah, he ended up doing better than Kerry with Jews.

Standish, Maine is the nexus of global terrorism, and we must all gather there to demolish the city!  Or at least the <u>General Store</u> (where they sell generals!).

With even more exclamation points!!!!!!

It seems to me that there has also been some rudeness to the current President.  Does the word effigy ring a bell?

Seriously now, this is all small potatoes.  Little Red Potatoes, perhaps?  The Secret Service is not strained, they droppeth as the gentle rain from DC upon all who threaten…

Michelle and Barack hide not under yonder bed…

Come the revolution they wouldn’t be up against the wall, they’d be kept as amusing pets: “Look, he thinks he’s people.”

Nope, they’d be the first up against the wall, as they are immediately suspect as infiltrators, handy, and too smugly secure in their notions about belonging to run and hide.

It seems to me that there has also been some rudeness to the current President.

You assholes started it with your Clenis obsession.

Diversity isn’t just a slogan. Attaching the label “bigotry” to an entire political party allows an easy self-righteousness for those unwilling to think critically.

It was Democrats who voted Prop 8 into existence in California, right along with their voting Obama into office.

The problem I had all along with voting for Obama was that he was Democrat but not really Democrat. No talk of the poor or marginalized, just the middle class “hurting” so much, I guess, they couldn’t afford a third car, second house, or Harvard for their kids. If you want to talk hurting, let’s visit Appalachia.

The Democrat Party is in shambles, despite—and yet because—they they elected this man using sexism, racism, and marginalizing social issues which were always important to the Party before but didn’t play tocertain minorities. Democratic African Americans and Hispanics overwhelmingly voted FOR Prop 8—homophobic bigotry and Obama. Despite the rhetoric, you should note that McCain actually had more highly paid women staffers and openly gay staffers, while Obama never walked the walk on that but stuck with old white men, including his VP.

And when major media is even offering some mea culpas for their Obama cheer-leading and lack of vetting this cipher, when Democrats have a near filibuster-proof majority—it’s obvious the real bigotry is in the sexism that welled up over Hillary and destroyed Palin—most coded, and some grossly obvious.

Obama’s hero, Abraham Lincoln, was against women’s sufferage, despite that women’s groups were principly responsible for the abolitionist movement. Women were principly responsible for Obama’s win, as well. But women can more easily be divided from their own self interest in a way other groups can’t. Slick Dems know this well.

The Democrat Party

Way to out yourself right there. Yeah, I’m really going to take seriously political commentary from someone who says “Democrat Party”. BZZT! Next.

ut that economic conservatism inherently embraces the social phobias and hangups that define conservatism. 

No, not necessarily.  The GOP may be fatally tied to this, yes, but fiscal conservatism is not inevitably tied to social conservatism.  Take a look at the conservative parties in Britain—it’s a real eye opener if you’re only used to U.S. political ideologies…

I’m positive that in the end much good will come of having our first black president (and I personally am so tickled pink by the whole thing I’m still jumping up and down two weeks later), but I do think in the short term it’s going to be painful in places.  I think it’s more important than ever for all of us to speak up about these things, denounce these actions while admitting we have a lot of racism yet to shed.

God Jonah Goldberg sucks so much.

Yes, but not very well.  This boy best be on his knees every day thanking the conservative gods of mediocrity for wingnut welfare, because otherwise he would be cleaning toilets for minimum wage somewhere.

Slick Dems know this well.

This is the other tell, Ben D.  How many times have you them spew on about Slick Willy? 

Teresa, you are a useless troll.  Be gone with ye.

Seriously now, this is all small potatoes.  Little Red Potatoes, perhaps?  The Secret Service is not strained, they droppeth as the gentle rain from DC upon all who threaten…

Don’t be stupid, Fred 2. We’re not talking about conservatives being rude to Obama, nor are we even talking about conservatives burning Obama effigies. We’re talking about conservatives trying to assassinate Obama. The Secret Service are certainly professionals. But if a hundred people try to kill the president, It’s possible that one will succeed.

No, not necessarily.  The GOP may be fatally tied to this, yes, but fiscal conservatism is not inevitably tied to social conservatism.

There are no fiscal conservatives with significant political power in the USA, and there won’t be in the forseeable future either. Fiscal conservatism is mainly used as cover for social conservatives.

The Democrat Party is in shambles, despite—and yet because—they they elected this man using sexism, racism, and marginalizing social issues which were always important to the Party before but didn’t play tocertain minorities.

Are you sure you want to state that you got your ass kicked by a party that was ‘in shambles’?

There are no fiscal conservatives with significant political power in the USA, and there won’t be in the forseeable future either.

This is true. Ironically the closest thing to a fiscal conservative President was Bill Clinton, who people like Jonah Goldberg had a pathological hatred for even though he was very good at implementing portions of their economic program.

Ben D. beat me to it, but “Democrat Party” paints you as a dittohead troll.

I never understood the point of them saying “Democrat Party”. Not only is it a dead giveaway, but it is also horrible grammar.

Does the word effigy ring a bell?

I have never encountered US progressives or even US radicals burning Bush in effigy. The only place I have seen this done is outside of the USA. US progressives/liberals/leftists don’t want to burn Bush in effigy. They’d much rather impeach him, or try him for war crimes.

Teresa, you are good for a laugh. You are trying to claim that voting Republican is in the best interest of women because McCain (allegedly) had more women staffers? I guess a ticket that has introduced and passed legislation to better fight violence against women, that supports the right of women to reproductive health care, including abortion and birth control and will not appoint Supreme Court justices who are hostile to Roe v. Wade is clearly less woman-friendly than the ticket that opposes the right to abortion, think that womens’ health is some kind of joke, in which the bottom half of the ticket has deliberately forced rape victims to pay for their own rape kits, and the top of the ticket has repeatedly demonstrated his personal hatred for women (see: calling his wife a cunt on record).

I don’t know what’s more pathetic: concern trolls like you, or the fact that you idiots continue to believe that women are really that stupid. Women vote Democrat because they know which party is really on their side. Until the Republican party adopts a platform that treats women as people (ha! ha!), they will continue losing the women vote until the end of time. Because women are not stupid.

So the stereotype is less “money-grubbing” and “sweet but naive people that are going straight to hell if they don’t convert”.

These can often co-exist. Once during an End Times spiel, Jerry Falwell said “You have to love the Jews, because they can make more money in ten minutes than we can make in a lifetime!” Har-har.

Right now the trend in evangelical circles is to stereotype Jews in a sentimental way, as god’s first run at creating a Chosen People. So the stereotype is less “money-grubbing” and “sweet but naive people that are going straight to hell if they don’t convert”.

The standard line seems to be along the lines of Anne Coulter’s “un-perfected Christians”—a stance which her comrade Lace Curtains O’Falafel did nothing to dispute. But make no mistake: underlying that “sentimental and pitying view” are the same old stereotypes. The Xtian fantasists particularly relish the story of the action hero blonde Jeebus literally kicking the usurious money changers out of the temple in Jerusalem, and draw a direct analogy from that to their Rapture wet dream.

Nope, they’d be the first up against the wall, as they are immediately suspect as infiltrators, handy, and too smugly secure in their notions about belonging to run and hide.

Correct. See also: “Night of Long Knives” and “Show Trials.” Once they gain power, radical RWAs always eat some of their own as appetizers before they get to the main course.

No, not necessarily.  The GOP may be fatally tied to this, yes, but fiscal conservatism is not inevitably tied to social conservatism.

True fiscal conservatism hasn’t been tied to any one American party for at least 25 years—the closest it’s come to policy in that time is the Clinton Democrats (and only because they had the luxury of a surplus). Otherwise, in the U.S. it’s been almost the exclusive domain of high net worth individuals, many of whom have been horrified by the economic policies of the Bush years.

Obama might have had a harder time getting the Hillary voters to elect him if he hadn’t reassured them with a a bunch of white male staffers. But now that’s he’s been elected, about 40% of his transition team is female. One of the deputy chiefs of staff is an African-American woman. Hillary Clinton might well get a cabinet position, and so might Bill Richardson.

Another reason the right wing likes to say “Democrat Party” is because democracy and being democratic are widely hailed as being good things. They don’t want to let the Democratic Party win a rhetorical battle by owning a good word. And small-r “republican” = “belonging to or characteristic of a republic.” It’s just…blah. Dictatorships with presidents elected through sham elections are also republics, and nobody gets warm fuzzies from the word.

Despite the rhetoric, you should note that McCain actually had more highly paid women staffers and openly gay staffers, while Obama never walked the walk on that but stuck with old white men, including his VP.

I love how voting for the ticket with the guy who wrote the Violence Against Women Act is anti-feminist, but voting for the ticket with the gal who changed her city’s policies to make rape victims pay for their own evidence collection is, like, totally feminist.

I also love that people are still trying to claim that Obama was “not vetted” after TWO YEARS of his campaigning for president.  If you have no idea who Obama is or what he stands for after TWO YEARS, at this point the problem is yours, not his, and I’m starting to suspect your problem is severe brain damage.

I love how voting for the ticket with the guy who wrote the Violence Against Women Act is anti-feminist, but voting for the ticket with the gal who changed her city’s policies to make rape victims pay for their own evidence collection is, like, totally feminist.

It goes along with picking Alan Keyes to run against Barack Obama in the Senate race, or choosing Michael Steele to be RNC Chairman. Republicans+Identity Politics=FAIL. They just can’t do it right.

Not only is it a dead giveaway, but it is also horrible grammar.

Speaking with horrible grammar is a prerogative of privileged whites. They can use poor grammar together and regard it as a sign of being in the “same club,” but if someone poor, black, or foreign-born uses bad grammar, it’s a sign of laziness, poor education, and bad character.

The use of “Democrat Party” is something that’s been extensively focus-group tested by Luntz. When used repeatedly, it lowers the approval rating of the Democratic Party and Democrats in general, probably by offsetting the positive connotations of “democratic” with the implied negative connotation of “liberal democrat.” It’s a deliberate GOP tactic to devalue the brand, and it works much the same way as such other crap as “death tax” and “partial-birth abortion.” None of these phrases are accidents.

Here we go - a reference:

[A]mong those of the Republican persuasion “Democrat Party” is now nearly universal. This is partly the work of Newt Gingrich, the nominal author of the notorious 1990 memo “Language: A Key Mechanism of Control,” and his Contract with America pollster, Frank Luntz, the Johnny Appleseed of such linguistic innovations as “death tax” for estate tax and “personal accounts” for Social Security privatization. Luntz, who road-tested the adjectival use of “Democrat” with a focus group in 2001, has concluded that the only people who really dislike it are highly partisan adherents of the—how you say?—Democratic Party. “Those two letters actually do matter,” Luntz said the other day. He added that he recently finished writing a book—it’s entitled “Words That Work”—and has been diligently going through the galley proofs taking out the hundreds of “ic”s that his copy editor, one of those partisan Dems, had stuck in.

Yeah, I’m really going to take seriously political commentary from someone who says “Democrat Party”.

D’OH!!  (hedslap) (I typed that the wrong way a couple days ago…..)

When used repeatedly, it lowers the approval rating of the Democratic Party and Democrats in general, probably by offsetting the positive connotations of “democratic” with the implied negative connotation of “liberal democrat.” It’s a deliberate GOP tactic to devalue the brand, and it works much the same way as such other crap as “death tax” and “partial-birth abortion.” None of these phrases are accidents.

You know, deliberate politicization of language is a key element of totalitarian movements, particularly Fascism.

Someone please tell this to Jonah Goldberg.

It goes along with picking Alan Keyes to run against Barack Obama in the Senate race, or choosing Michael Steele to be RNC Chairman.

Or nominating Clarence “Nixon” Thomas to replace Thurgood Marshall. Because it’s OK to tilt the sanity balance in the SC towards the dangerously paranoid as long as you don’t impact the racial balance.

... voting for the ticket with the gal who changed her city’s policies ...

OMG Mnem, you are SUCH a misogynist. You used the word “gal” to refer to an ADULT WOMAN. One who allegedly spent much of the past month not preparing for interviews and throwing tantrums, but…

http://teresawymore.wordpress.com/2008/11/12/do-obamas-children-deserve-better-than-yours/

Teresa further outs herself by making that post above.  Don’t know about you….but it sounds quite reminiscent of “Who do the African-Americans/[insert POC] think they are to believe they have the right to send their children to private schools as upper/upper-middle class White folks?!!” 

Especially when she doesn’t mention and criticize how many other White Democratic politicians who have been against vouchers have sent their kids to private schools.

Not to mention Presidents sending their kids to private schools is done primarily for security reasons. It is much easier for the Secret Service to do their work in a small private school used to having famous people attend it than a large public school.

Right now the trend in evangelical circles is to stereotype Jews in a sentimental way, as god’s first run at creating a Chosen People. So the stereotype is less “money-grubbing” and “sweet but naive people that are going straight to hell if they don’t convert”.

This is not exactly the case. First the notion of evangelical’s protecting Jews goes back to the mid-19th C. pre-millennialist readings of Gen. 12:3—so it’s really nothing new. Additionally, I would argue that contemporary dispensationalist evangelicals do not hold special favor for Jews, but for Israel—there is a significant difference. 

On topic, I think your point on tying conservative economic principles to social conservationism is right on. Within the contemporary conservative economic movement there is a strong undertone of noblesse oblige—in fact it is perhaps the founding concept of Reaganomics.

I saw an article where someone suggested that the Obama girls go to public school, and a number of public school teachers and parents and administrators chimed in to say NO FUCKING WAY.  It would be incredibly difficult and disruptive to do this, and in the end it would be a statement that would cost far too much in terms of class time, screening of kids and parents, etc.

That said, where did the bush girls go in 2000, eh?  It wasn’t a public high school I’d bet ...

Oops, they graduated high school in 2000.  However, they went to private schools when their father was governor.

OMG Mnem, you are SUCH a misogynist. You used the word “gal” to refer to an ADULT WOMAN. One who allegedly spent much of the past month not preparing for interviews and throwing tantrums, but…

Oh, bite me. 

Besides, I was trying to come up with some female equivalent of “guy” since I always think that the guy/woman construction sounds really bizarre.

Besides, I was trying to come up with some female equivalent of “guy” since I always think that the guy/woman construction sounds really bizarre.

In my teenage years, people used “bloke/bird”, which I really couldn’t stand. It seems that pretty much all the slang terms for women are somehow designed to imply that y’all aren’t adult humans. One might suspect there was this giant cultural investment in keeping women down so that men can feel superior.

Not to mention Presidents sending their kids to private schools is done primarily for security reasons. It is much easier for the Secret Service to do their work in a small private school used to having famous people attend it than a large public school.

Ben D. or anyone who lives in/around Washington D.C.,

Out of curiosity, what is the state of the Washington D.C. area public schools on the ground? I’ve heard that the quality of the vast majority left much to be desired…...though I did hear they had some public magnet schools…..though I know from conversations with other public magnet high school graduates that there is a wide variation in the quality and rigor of the education provided. 

Then again, I do know of some well-known private high schools whose curriculum and graduation requirements would be regarded as a complete joke by students and alumni who attended the public urban magnet high school I graduated from.

Exholt—

Like any urban school system, the magnet schools are excellent and the regular schools in shambles. It is especially bad for DC because it lacks a state government to help them out.

MikeEss:

Exactly. Noblesse oblige is Andrew Carnegie giving the modern equivalent of $15 billion dollars to communities for libraries. Or even executives taking a government job at a dollar a year. It’s even rockefellers running for public office when they could just be basking on their own ocean liners. Trickle-down, which has become further debased to hiring a bunch of people as drivers and gardeners and maintenance crew after you outsourced their real jobs, isn’t even an echo of noblesse oblige.

So, did Teresa vote for the Republic Party ticket two weeks ago?

Amy Carter went to public school in DC, why shouldn’t Obama’s kids (if his wife and he want them to)?

re: Teresa, I have to say I spent a few minutes at your site, or at least the site you link to in your name.  It’s odd to see someone so confused.  I don’t question your feelings just that any intelligent adult would be undecided in the middle of September.  I’m almost curious to ask what changed in the next six weeks but the truth is, I don’t really care.  I’m tired of people who can’t do their own math, research and form a cogent opinion based on the evidence.  It’s certainly your right to flounder around as you will dropped “democrat party” bombs and worrying about how has more women on staff where, but I don’t have to respect it or slow down the train so you can continue to run along the side, wondering if this is really your train, or not.

Here’s the uncomfortable truth (uncomfortable for conservatives that is) about fiscal conservatism. There is precious little real public support for it UNLESS it’s sold in a way that taps into racism (which is precisely how it’s almost always sold, what a coincidence.) You know that old mantra “tax and spend”? Well, guess what the un-truncated, Roosevelt-era original saying was? “Tax and tax, spend and spend, elect and elect.”

So, did Teresa vote for the Republic Party ticket two weeks ago?

Is the Pope Catholic? Do bears shit in the woods?

Ben D.: It’s also especially bad because DC has fixed boundaries, so as the population of the metro area grows, it becomes more and more like a pure inner city, instead of growing geographically by absorbing urbanized inner suburbs into the city.

Amy Carter went to public school in DC, why shouldn’t Obama’s kids (if his wife and he want them to)?

They can provided it is their completely private call…..and not imposed upon to make a decision by others….especially those with a huge dollop of White privilege and seemingly oblivious to the fact that until the 1960’s-70s, the vast majority of private schools and topflight public schools denied access to African-Americans and other POC even if they had the funds to pay the tuition. 

Like any urban school system, the magnet schools are excellent and the regular schools in shambles.

This strikes me too much as a blanket generalization as urban public magnet schools could be excellent in academic quality and rigor in some urban areas….and extremely marginal in others. 

Then again, I’ve also encountered many undergrad classmates whose much vaunted boarding school/private school curriculums would be considered a joke by my high school classmates/alum peers….especially one private school where one could get away with graduating with only 2 years of “rocks for jocks” type science courses…without lab. 

How’d you do the rolling eyes emoticon!!!

Put the word “roll” without quotations between two colons.

Then again, I’ve also encountered many undergrad classmates whose much vaunted boarding school/private school curriculums would be considered a joke by my high school classmates/alum peers….especially one private school where one could get away with graduating with only 2 years of “rocks for jocks” type science courses…without lab.

The rural Segregation Academies especially I grew up around in southern VA (they’re STILL all white) are HUGE jokes in terms of academics. Everyone I know that went to one dropped out of college at least once.

Can we PLEASE have the people threatening the next President arrested like they should be, please?

. You used the word “gal” to refer to an ADULT WOMAN.

For fucks sake, pepito, OKAY then, what’s the female equivalent to “guy”?  And don’t whine “What’s wrong with ‘woman’?”—politicization of language <u>may</u> be a hallmark of rightist fascism, but the IMPOVERISHMENT of language sometimes seems to be the American bloggerific leftist policy.

If whoever had typed ‘girl’ you’d probably be stroking out on the floor.  (Oh, if only….)

Actually, Steve, you’ve got it backwards…

Is the bear Catholic? Does the Pope shit in the woods?

I dunno, but I definitely support our right to arm bears.

There are no fiscal conservatives with significant political power in the USA, and there won’t be in the forseeable future either.

Yes, there are.  They’re called Bluedog Democrats and there are now piles of them in Congress.  This is where the pickups have been.  Even Pelosi has talked about “pay as you go.”

By the by:

In my neck of the idiom, gal ≠ girl.  It simply means female without any age connotation.

Re: “Democrat Party”...

Hertzberg correctly dates the term to the Newt Gingrich circle in the late Eighties and early Nineties—I remember it grating just as much then as it does now. I believe it originated when the Democrats had a House and Senate majority, and they used their numbers to block wingnut legislation—indirectly giving us the “Contract with/on America.” The truncated name implies that they may be Democrats, but they’re not democratic. Fiendishly clever wordplay, no?

Fiendishly clever wordplay, no?

To me, it sounds dumb. But according to the focus groups, the public in general eats it up. So whatever.

The rural Segregation Academies especially I grew up around in southern VA (they’re STILL all white) are HUGE jokes in terms of academics. Everyone I know that went to one dropped out of college at least once.

Ha! Had a few older more socio-economically privileged private school educated older cousins who ended up on the brink of dropping out for academic reasons….one of them multiple times…..and their private schools were renowned for rigorous academics.

There’s a similar historical racial and also a deeply classist dynamic in Hawaii which is the main reason why Hawaiian public schools are considered so inadequate for anyone aspiring to a decent college that it has one of the highest…if not the highest proportion of K-12 students who attend private schools according to this article.

A reason why Barack Obama’s attending the Punahou School* on scholarship is not necessarily a mark of high socio-economic privilege which is often assumed by many…especially by his detractors. 

* Had a few older wealthier Hawaiian-raised cousins who attended Punahou and Iolani around the time Obama attended Punahou.  They liked to trash talk me for attending a “public high school”.....I loved to retort that they’ve whined about how their undergrad careers were harder than high school when all high school classmates and myself…even those attending MIT, Caltech, Cornell, and UChicago felt undergrad was far easier than our “public high school”.

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I think the most telling part of Teresa’s comment is actually this:

“But women can more easily be divided from their own self interest in a way other groups can’t.”

Really? Why is that? Oh yeah, because girlz r dum. STFU.

Since Obama’s election, there’s been an uptick in eliminationist rhetoric.

I just had the pleasure of trying to explain to an 8 year old that his “friends” are idiots for claiming that President-Elect Obama is going to enslave all white people.

Understanding Yu-Gi-Oh is easier.  :(

In the interest of providing a bit of perspective, here are some examples of hate & intolerance from Obama supporters: http://www.news8.net/news/stories/1108/568957.html
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=9C957DF6-624E-4A43-9839-29F8EB3E10C8

  Stories like this mostly get ignored by the media, and most people posting on this blog.  It’s much easier to play the role of the eternal victim, isn’t it?

The race bating McCain/Palin campaign is responsible.

Direwolf, did anyone advocate assassinating McCain in either of those tragic tales? I’m just curious.

Also, kind of getting sick of the likes of you showing up to scream “but but but lefties do the same thing all the time!!!1!!” and not even being able to come up with a comparable event at that. See, college kids being assholes to other college kids does not = issuing threats to the president-elect. Try again!

Yeah, but some white-girl McCain volunteer in Pennsylvania said some black Obama supporter mugged her and put a backwards B on her face, so why do you hate America? (/snark)

Country First, huh?
Traitors.