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John Sellers can eat my poo

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Christopher Hitchens famously wrote an article in Vanity Fair where he declared that women weren’t funny.  Of course, he was wrong, but by writing it he inspired this guy to write a blog post for Details that explains the truth—-it’s not that women aren’t funny, it’s just that a whole lot of men punish you for it.  (Hat tip to Will B for sending this to me.) It’s not sexy to upstage the fellas, and when women rely so much on their fuckability for social acceptance, the tamping down of humorous behavior is going to happen.  Which is kind of what Hitchens was saying anyway, when he suggested that only women he finds unsexy can be funny, before he spun off on unintelligible speculating that our dirty woman parts make us too ashamed to crack jokes. 

What I don’t get is where these guys are getting the idea that funny women must drift around unloved and unwanted.  I don’t know if that’s ever been true, but it’s certainly not true now.  Which I’ll return to in a minute.  But first, let’s quote this rancid and schoolmarmish blog post.

There’s a moment in nearly every decent episode of The Simpsons when Homer and his alcoholic pal Barney are sitting around Moe’s Tavern and the latter lets out a belch so powerful that the wind causes his lips to flap like two pieces of raw bacon draped over a Vornado. This is funny for two reasons: (1) Someone is unleashing a monster burp on national television and (2) that someone is a man.

Actually, he’s a cartoon character.  I’d suggest that the element of surprise would make it even funnier if it was a woman, and the existence of the gross-out sisters-in-law on the show demonstrates that the show writers agree that gross funny is perfectly within a female character’s realm.  Sure, the comical ugliness of it would be the antithesis of sexually endearing, but then again, it’s not like anyone’s clamoring to fuck Barney either.  This guy’s argument, I’d say, is not that it’s not funny when women indulge in rude humor, but that it makes his dick go soft.

Actress Eva Mendes, reminiscing once about a 2005 trip to Nepal during which she shared a hotel room with Cameron Diaz, ruined what could have been the greatest male fantasy since Denise Richards and Neve Campbell got it on in Wild Things by revealing that “Cameron is a big old belcher, but I can’t belch.” She added, “One night I had a heavy dinner, so I combated her belching with something I could do. We were in side-by-side beds—her disgusting bodily function versus mine. It was an Eva-Cameron fart-belch-off!”

It’s a definitional issue.  Declaring that these women aren’t funny is all wrong.  It’s that they are funny, and Seller is a big weenie who can’t handle that.  But where he really fails is that he makes the common error of trying to justify his personality flaws by projecting them onto all men.

This knowledge makes it impossible for any man to enjoy watching 2 Fast 2 Furious ever again.

I suppose if you’re the sort of loser who enjoyed that movie in the first place, sure.  Interestingly, I think that a) having no sense of humor and b) actually watching movies like this renders a man a lot more unfuckable than a farting Cameron Diaz.  Physician, heal thyself of gross unattractiveness.

It would be one thing if these female Shreks were cut from the same cloth as Roseanne Barr or Rosie O’Donnell. But the trouble is they’re all smoking hot. It’s their job to primp and preen and push stuff up to look sexy—what’s the point of putting in all that effort if you’re only going to undermine the whole operation with gruesome behavior? “You’re talking about a group of women who are constantly being told how hot they are and that they can do whatever they want,” says E! Online columnist Marc Malkin. “Putting on this act says, ‘I’m not this unattainable person—I’m normal just like you!’

May I suggest an alternative reading: The notion that women are striving to be more attainable presupposes that hot women don’t get hit on all the time by guys shooting way out of their league.  Quadruple that with the fact that Diaz has the uncomfortable knowledge that she’s featured routinely in the sexual fantasies of wankers worldwide. She’s highly motivated to discourage that. 

Or in the case of Diaz, an even more pedestrian explanation:  She would have been just another pretty and forgettable face if she hadn’t staked a claim in the gross-out humor department.  By smearing semen in her hair until it stood up, though, she made a lasting career for herself. 

Or maybe she just thinks it’s funny, and doesn’t really care what some dude at Details magazine thinks.  I know—-blasphemy!  Women, care what all men think about you all the time.  Well, what are you waiting for?

Interestingly, except for a dig at Sarah Silverman, Sellers completely avoids the topic of women who I’d classify as professional comedians like Amy Poehler or Tina Fey or the queen of mocking the expectation that because she’s hot she should be preening all the time, Amy Sedaris.  Probably because such women lay waste to his theory that being funny, even you indulge in humor that makes you look ridiculous or ugly, is this big turn-off.  After all, Amy Poehler engaged in snotty and often gross humor, and it landed her husband Will Arnett, who is last I checked, one million times more desirable than this Sellers whiner. I can’t imagine what a sad shadow of a love life I’d have had if I was careful not to make raunchy jokes in front of dudes, a strategy that runs off the guys you’d actually want and attracts morons that read Details.  And hey, Sarah Silverman is fucking Matt Damon!

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 11:08 AM • (43) Comments

He’s right; I’m selling my 4-disc Platinum Collection edition of 2 Fast 2 Furious back to Vulcan Video this very night, and I’ll probably accept whatever price they decide to give me. Hopefully they haven’t seen the post on the Details blog, but what are the chances of that?

Comment #1: norbizness  on  05/29  at  12:32 PM

Is the fourth disc filled with outtakes of Paul Walker dying in fiery car crashes?

Comment #2: Auguste  on  05/29  at  12:35 PM

An Eva-Cameron burp off would be HOTTT…you kidding me?

Comment #3: CJ  on  05/29  at  12:43 PM

Well, I wouldn’t want to be standing between them if they’d been eating garlic, but watching from a respectable distance could be entertaining.

Comment #4: Amanda Marcotte  on  05/29  at  12:44 PM

I think that second-to-last sentence is really the key. I’m trying to think of anybody I know who ever read Details, except for a couple of people who wrote for it, and I can’t come up with any names or faces. So thanks for doing the brief foray with gun and camera into that strange netherworld of guys who aren’t attracted by funny women. (Not that it really matters to anyone else, but the recognition that I didn’t think a woman was funny has pretty much always been a relationship-killer, regardless of other attributes, and my spouse reports the same.)

Or maybe this is one huge example of self-deprecating humor where a person tries to be funny by admitting their inability to deal with potential objects of desire as human beings…

Comment #5: paul  on  05/29  at  01:27 PM

“True enough, but if you boys make another crack about my taking a shit in Dag’s car, I’ll give you the thick end of the wedge!”

Comment #6: Sarcastro  on  05/29  at  01:29 PM

What I don’t get is where these guys are getting the idea that funny women must drift around unloved and unwanted.

Old Hollywood movies where characters played by Eve Arden would stand around and make wisecracks while the demure heroine got the guy.

Of course, in real life, Arden was married twice, the second time for over 30 years until she was widowed, so it’s not exactly Proof Positive that all men hate funny women.

Also, one of the funniest jokes ever on “The Simpsons” involved earsplitting belching and Pulitzer Prize-winning poet Eudora Welty, who was a woman last time I checked.

Comment #7: Mnemosyne  on  05/29  at  01:30 PM

The comments on the article itself are pretty excellent so far.

Comment #8: nolo  on  05/29  at  01:30 PM

Yeah, the guy who threatened to cockpunch the writer made me laugh.

Comment #9: Amanda Marcotte  on  05/29  at  01:45 PM

Also, I’m a bit confused with “funny” being so closely equated with “gassy”.

Comment #10: bethany  on  05/29  at  01:54 PM

Well, I won’t lie.  While farts and belches aren’t automatically funny, it doesn’t take much in the way of context before they become funny.  Like belching isn’t funny.  But belching in the cat’s face and watching her reaction?  Priceless.

Comment #11: Amanda Marcotte  on  05/29  at  02:04 PM

I’ll tell you what. A bodily function contest between two attractive, intelligent people (how about George Clooney and Idris Elba?) would be really funny.

But it would be a lot funnier in Nepal, right? Imagine a movie star, achieving enlightenment and belching with delight? Farting with compassion?

Comment #12: patrickdolan  on  05/29  at  02:31 PM

Poehler and Arnett are such a cute couple, I can’t even stand it.


And it says a lot more about Sellers’ (lack of a) sense of humor that he thinks it’s defined by gross-out bathroom jokes.

Comment #13: keshmeshi  on  05/29  at  02:36 PM

My 12 year old daughter once lamented after school that one of her GFs could burp at will, and that she wished she knew how.

So I belched all the way home- a talent I learned because I couldn’t whistle. Pissed my kid off to no end…

Comment #14: louise  on  05/29  at  02:37 PM

Also, I’m a bit confused with “funny” being so closely equated with “gassy”.

It’s been that way since the days of Aristophanes, probably because of the humor inherent in the contrast between human thought and the functions of the human body.

IOW, farting in the bathroom where it belongs?  Not funny.  Accidentally farting in your husband’s face during oral sex?  Really funny.

Comment #15: Mnemosyne  on  05/29  at  03:00 PM

My older sister is an old master at bathroom humor, and she makes Moe look like an amateur when it comes to belches and farts. Strangely, she has no trouble getting boyfriends. And these people like movies like 2F2F, so I don’t know what that means.

Other than JOHN SELLERS DOES NOT REPRESENT MAINSTREAM 2 FAST 2 FURIOUS FANS!!!111!!11!

Comment #16: Karley  on  05/29  at  03:11 PM

There is an entire fetish video company devoted to demure asian women in clingy fancy underwear, pantyhose, and/or sailor moon attire ... farting.

Clearly somebody finds it attractive in sufficient numbers to keep the production going.

Comment #17: Ms Kate  on  05/29  at  03:17 PM

So I belched all the way home- a talent I learned because I couldn’t whistle.

Louise, we have to have a beer together sometime ... I was in the same situation, can’t whistle, can burp on demand.  Stuffy lace-curtain-irish raised hubby doesn’t like me teaching these things to the boys, though.

Comment #18: Ms Kate  on  05/29  at  03:19 PM

But as any good sitcom writer (or older brother) can tell you, such behavior is rarely amusing to anyone other than the burper herself—and it gets less amusing the older she gets.

Is the writer even aware that if this sentence were regendered, it would still be perfectly true?  Because if not, then someone owes me a new lack-of-self-awareness detector, because this statement blew mine up.  In fact, when I list all of the best qualities my funny male friends have, “announces their farts” is actually at the bottom of the list.  Really.  I know, you’re shocked.

nd posing for that infamous Candie’s shoe ad in which she sat happily on the crapper holding a newspaper.

I remember quite a few guys being pretty excited about that ad.  And a radio station near me still has a section on it’s website for pictures of hot women sitting on toilets; but by all means, let’s talk about why that webpage makes women the gross ones.  Also, is anyone else super-impressed that some of his gross-out-hot-chick examples are years old?

Anyway, Amanda’s right.  Douchebag has set down his rules about how hot chicks are obligated to not gross him out too much, but has yet to make a convincing argument about why hot chicks, or any chicks, should give a crap what Douchie thinks.

Comment #19: Kyso K  on  05/29  at  03:27 PM

Did he never see the original Simpsons short about the burping contest between the kids (won by Maggie)  Or “Coming, Eudora!” ?  Or “Maggie, you’re a Simpson again!”  “*burrrp*”  The Simpsons has had tons of burpers of both sexes.  Talk about cherry-picking, sheesh.

Oddly, I can’t think of a single on-screen fart on the show, which is pretty darn amazing for how long it’s been on.  A few jokes about farts, but nobody actually farting.  (I’m guessing it was discouraged by the network early on, and now they’re using it as a point of distinction between themselves and fart-laden nemesis Family Guy.)

Comment #20: Steph  on  05/29  at  03:47 PM

But as any good sitcom writer (or older brother) can tell you, such behavior is rarely amusing to anyone other than the burper herself—and it gets less amusing the older she gets.

Clearly this asswipe has never met my older brothers, because they’re all in their 40s and still think their farts are hysterically funny.

But, then, that’s probably the point:  they find each other’s farts funny but might be horrified if their little sister (aka me) let one rip.

Comment #21: Mnemosyne  on  05/29  at  03:48 PM

I agree with the larger point, but I just wanted to point out that this:

One night I had a heavy dinner, so I combated her belching with something I could do. We were in side-by-side beds—her disgusting bodily function versus mine. It was an Eva-Cameron fart-belch-off!

isn’t actually funny. Perhaps Eva Mendes is funny (I have no idea who she is), but that story isn’t. It wouldn’t be funny if it were a guy saying it; it’s not funny when a woman says it.

I suspect that one thing fueling the “women aren’t funny” attitude is a belief that female comedians get held to a lower standard than men. I’m not convinced that they don’t have a point.

That being said, I agree that there are lots of funny women, and the guy writing this article sounds like, well, the kind of guy who would have a blog at Details.

Comment #22: Picador  on  05/29  at  04:23 PM

There is an entire fetish video company devoted to demure asian women in clingy fancy underwear, pantyhose, and/or sailor moon attire ... farting.

Clearly somebody finds it attractive in sufficient numbers to keep the production going.


I probably shouldn’t reveal this to a bunch of strangers on the Internet, but then where else should I reveal it? I am totally into girls farting. I won’t say we are legion, but there are quite a lot of us. The biggest difference between Mr. Sellers and myself is not our preference for what attractive women should do but rather his insistence that they conform to his preference.

Comment #23: Offthestreeter  on  05/29  at  04:30 PM

But ... but ... how will this little douchenozzle know the difference between girls and boys when it really counts if ... if ... women fart?

Comment #24: Ms Kate  on  05/29  at  04:45 PM

But ... but ... how will this little douchenozzle know the difference between girls and boys when it really counts if ... if ... women fart?

If they do not make him laugh, it is okay to desire them. A farting girl makes him think of a guy which makes him gay, which is the worst thing ever. Here’s to lad mag logic.

Comment #25: Offthestreeter  on  05/29  at  04:56 PM

IF?? Ms Kate, I’ll loan you my daughters over summer vacation and YOU DECIDE if girls fart… wink Must be all the fresh veggie platters I sling in front of them- we’ve got cukes, celery, broccoli, carrots and 2 colors of peppers right now on the coffee table…

Re: having a beer- hon, you’re ON. I suspect we’d gab nonstop for WEEKS and never let the other get a word in edgewise! Haha!

Comment #26: louise  on  05/29  at  04:58 PM

I must be a lot more uptight than I thought because I fail to find farting or belching from either sex funny.  Annoying, maybe, if they’re doing it to be obnoxious and not because it was just a bodily function that slipped out.  In which case I ignore it.

On the other hand, when one of the dogs squeaks out a little one and then whirls around to stare at his own ass as if it were attacking him?  THAT is hilarious.

Comment #27: BadKitty  on  05/29  at  05:03 PM

Badkitty, I was thinking the same thing.  I don’t find farting or belching at all funny.  Not even a little bit.  Everyone does it, blah, blah, but doing it on purpose just is not entertaining.  The husband and kids think it’s hilarious, though.

Comment #28: ks  on  05/29  at  05:17 PM

“How ‘bout more beans Mr Taggert?”

It’s like (to keep the Simpsons references coming) Sideshow Bob stepping on a rake; mildly amusing the 1st time, stupid the 2nd time and then more and more funny the next 7 times until, by the end of the show wasting 3 minutes of prime time airspace with a guy stepping on rakes, you’re doubled up with laughter.

It’s not the act itself that’s so funny, it’s what they do with it.

Comment #29: Sarcastro  on  05/29  at  05:38 PM

I’d also nominate Samantha Bee as another funny woman who does a lot of physical humor jokes, and I know a lot of men, including my DH, who find her smokin’.

Comment #30: lou  on  05/29  at  06:08 PM

Fart-offs are only funny if you’re there. Bodily function humor comes from its genuine unexpectedness, which is why it’s funny when you fart loud enough to wake yourself and your roommates up, but it’s not funny when Martin Lawrence or whoever the hell puts on a fat suit and farts.

Comment #31: junk science  on  05/29  at  06:10 PM

Anybody else old enough to remember that famous campfire scene in Blazing Saddles?

I saw it at age 6 or 7 at the local drive in ... my brother and I were laughing too hard to breathe!

Comment #32: Ms Kate  on  05/29  at  06:19 PM

Count me as one of those people who thinks gross out humor is painfully unfunny. Unless we’re still talking about Badkitty’s dog or The Simpsons.

This blogger, though? I think he’s a barrel of laughs. “You girlz better do exactly as I tell you to, or else…or else I won’t like you!”

To which I respond, “Dude, you already don’t like me.”

“But…but…if you don’t act ladylike and stuff, I’ll GO AWAY!”

“Really? Hmmm…well, I don’t know how to belch on demand, but I could learn it if will make you leave.”

Comment #33: maatnofret  on  05/29  at  06:49 PM

I have to agree the scene from Blazing Saddles is hilarious but you know so is that whole movie.  I like the “Hey boys lookie what I got here.  Where the white women at?”  scene and it’s follow up the best.  Something about the men with the handlebars attached to their belts has always amused me.

Anywho . . this post really got me to think of the three most funny women I know on tv today (ish).  I totally have to nominate Jennifer Saunders, Dawn French, and Joanna Lumley for some of the funniest women on tv.  Not only do they make excellent fun of the women who try so desperately to be pretty little Barbie dolls but they do it without using the old stand-bys - body functions.  Well at least not much.  Absolutely Fabulous was one of the funniest tv shows ever put on (with the exception of Flying Circus of course).  But I’m a huge anglophile.  My point is of course that women are hilarious but it seems that American women are forced into these structures sometimes that just let them complete on even footing with men . .but that has a lot to do with what American men find funny (bloody children).

Comment #34: amalink  on  05/29  at  08:03 PM

I grew up, literally, in a neighborhood with all boys except me and my best friend Jamie. We were the biggest tomboys EVER. It took us years to realize that girls were not supposed to belch out loud in public, and by then we really didn’t care. And surprisingly, most of the boys we knew thought it was pretty damn funny (and cool) that we did it.  Kind of weird now that I think about it.

Comment #35: shartheheretic  on  05/29  at  09:04 PM

Speaking of “Blazing Saddles”, the great <a > Harvey Korman has died.
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He, Tim Conway, Vicki Lawrence and Carol Burnett- all 4 hilarious alone and together- undescribeable.

Comment #36: louise  on  05/29  at  09:33 PM

Whoops.

Comment #37: Amanda Marcotte  on  05/29  at  10:38 PM

Speaking as someone who’s style of humor is centered primarily on bad puns, and playing dumb I am above gross out humor.

I always feel uncomfortable watching most fart jokes, afraid that someone would see me in the room watching the trash or something.

Comment #38: Jonathan Hohensee  on  05/29  at  11:47 PM

This guy wants women who will “drink Bud at the drive-in”??

Who the fuck wants to drink Bud in the first place?

Comment #39: Eric, Rejector of Memes  on  05/30  at  02:43 AM

sarah silverman is an asshole.  in this little article, she says she’s not doing a character, just another side of herself—which is eexactly what andrew dice clay was doing & tried to weasel out of copping to it,& something she has refused to answer before on any larger scale:

[Nonetheless, she once described her stage persona as a kind of arrogant innocence, which is not bad for someone who’d rather not break down her act. Her jokes, many of which are racial, are nonetheless not racist—a fine distinction to be sure. It may be a generous interpretation, but Silverman’s material, to these ears anyway, exposes rather than espouses racism. Take this line: “Everybody blames the Jews for killing Christ, and the Jews try to pass it off on the Romans. I’m one of the few people who believes it was the blacks.” That’s just an absurdly goofball joke that also happens to show up those with a perverse pride in their own heritage for what they are. What confuses some listeners is that she is essentially herself on-stage, unlike, say, Dame Edna, another queen of the backhanded compliment. “I don’t take on a character,” she explains, “but it’s just like an uglier side of myself.” ]

i used to laugh at her early on in her career when i was under the illusion that it was absurdist riffing (kind of like the author of the artivcle, who still buys that shit), like the kind someone like dave attell does. but the more i see of her, the more she confirms my niggling feeling that she is a lazy fuck who gets a reaction with racist material, & that’s what feeds her. Not her disdain for racism, sexism or whatever she says…they just dont add up. she’s seems especially self-loathing to me,not much different from a joan rivers, actually. all her sincerest comments that have anything to do with women, feminism, etc, always have a distinctly misogynistic ring to them. and in fact, she mentions that she found hitchen’s article smart:

[She much preferred the original piece by Hitchens: “It was not misogynistic in my opinion—not in the least. The title was provocative, as it should be, but the piece was smart and interesting.” ]

imo, the only thing perputating her career at this point when she’s well past her 15mins, is the pandering she does to piggish men.


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Comment #40: blarrrgh  on  05/30  at  04:28 AM

*piggish men: all of them, but primarily for her, her 5yrs long bf jimmy kimmel, the penultimate King Porcine (i guess she wasnt howard stern’s type). and im guessing before him, her daddy.
she sounds like a fucking headcase when it comes to men.

Comment #41: blarrrg  on  05/30  at  04:34 AM

If Wanda Sykes isn’t the funniest comedian in America, who is?

Comment #42: witless chum  on  05/30  at  05:39 PM

I was talking to my brother on the speakerphone feature while taking my turn at dish duty, and my older son walked up and BELCHED into the receiver.

Brother and son cracked up in hysterics.

Now older son is annoyed.  Seems that our male cat waltzed into his room, cut a rancid cat fart (is that redundant?) and sauntered out leaving a green wake behind him.

Not sure why, but I think it is funny!

Comment #43: Ms Kate  on  05/30  at  10:32 PM
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