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JournoList: Revelations

Andrew Breitbart has offered $100,000 for the entire archive of JournoList, which is totally awesome, because I would really love to see him shell out that much money to be completely disappointed.

As a testament to just how enthrallingly conspiratorial JournoList was, I at this moment have over 500 unread JList threads in my GMail.  This is not because the people on it were boring or unintelligent, but because I tended not to open requests for contact information for people I didn’t know, or look at job postings for jobs I couldn’t take, or get into baseball threads, or read a lot of the article/post pimping that took place. 

But really, what this is about is that the list, unseen, is a fertile ground for the imaginings of nutjobs.  Breitbart finds it the “holy grail of liberal media bias”; PowerLine wants to find the “collusion” that occurred on the list, because what it makes sense for 400 independent professional writers to do is to explicitly make blood pacts over and over again about not covering stories; Gateway Pundit and his commenters have decided that it was mainly Keith Olbermann and Katie Couric conspiring with each other, and wouldn’t mind destroying the lives of every person on the list; Dan Riehl reveals that he pissily quit a righty listserv because he got his fee-fees hurt, but it was totally different because that listserv was strictly dedicated to its mission; IowaHawk has decided that it was a listserv of 14-year-old girls, because liberals are so gay.

The secret power of JournoList is not in anything it did - as Ezra points out, it was too large to accomplish any of the secret and terrible things it’s alleged to be behind - but instead that the right has so internalized its own narratives of victimization and righteousness that the very act of people in the same industry talking to each other is a betrayal not just of their professional responsibility, but of the very principles of America itself.

Breitbart, if he ever got the archive (which is doubtful), would almost certainly use it to ruin someone’s career.  Not because that person said anything that was career ruining, but because he or she committed the grave sin of being liberal.  The conservative response to JList is largely about fear of the unknown, the same way an insecure significant other tries to break into their partner’s e-mail to make sure no cheating is occurring, or a little brother steals his older sister’s diary only to find out she’s mainly making lists of which colleges she’s thinking of applying to and constantly redoing the math to see when she can afford the used Honda Civic she’s had her eye on.

JournoList is far less interesting and far less influential than any conservative critic thinks.  But because it involves those they despise doing things they can’t see, it is prima facie evidence of every terrible thing they’ve ever thought about liberals and journalists.  This isn’t to even mention the irony of Breitbart using unseen (and, let’s be honest, nonexistent) evidence for an assertion he desperately wants to believe about liberal media collusion after spending months bitching about not being able to find video of black Representatives being called niggers.

Oh well, off to convince Wolf Blitzer to call Bobby Jindal a droopy-faced shitbag.  And then to have lots of gay sex with him while watching Dear John.  Channing Tatum is such a dreamy hunk of man-meat. 

God, I want JList back…

 

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Posted by Jesse Taylor on 09:57 AM • (25) Comments

I wonder if he could really ruin anyone’s career though.  The guy whose emails were leaked and got fired from the wapo (sorry don’t know his name) is on MSNBC now. He probably got a raise!  I mean, in today’s world where a Dan Froomkin can get canned by the same morons at the WAPO and land at the Huffpo where he has complete editorial freedom and I assume, he’s being paid pretty nicely, how much power do these assholes really have?  Beyond momentary embarrassments they can inflict on someone, I don’t think it’s much. 

I do think he’ll get hold of the archives.  A hundred grand is a lot of money.  Out of four hundred people, there’s several who want that money.  There may even be one who needs the money.  He’ll get them.  I hope nobody loses their job over it.  But if they do, I believe they’ll land on their feet quickly.  I kinda gotta laugh at the thought of finding something that would embarrass KO.  I mean, if that guy is saying shit more over the top than what he says on his show…lol.

Comment #1: JennyLI  on  06/30  at  11:18 AM

“As a testament to just how enthrallingly conspiratorial JournoList was, I at this moment have over 500 unread JList threads in my GMail.”

Jesse, how can you fully support Left-of-Left efforts to destroy America if you won’t even keep up with the talking points?

The Kenyan Usurper is very disappointed in you…

Comment #2: MikeEss  on  06/30  at  12:08 PM

“God, I want JList back… “

Wow.  It’s as if Pandagon went away and we all went roaming in the desert wishing someone would drop another blog on us because blogs are, like, impossible to create.

*Make a new one.* 

It’s not rocket science.  Invite everyone that was on the list that you have emails for.  Maybe yours won’t catch, but someone else’s will. 

And if you do, please don’t be dumb.  Disable archiving.  That’s not 100 percent protection, but it’s better than nothing.  I don’t think that the snitches and leaks aren’t morally repugnant, but I am still shaking my head over the people who think that an email list won’t have them.

Comment #3: oldfeminist  on  06/30  at  12:28 PM

Just ask Markos and Nate Silver to cc: you on all their baseball emails.  It’ll be like JList never went away.

Comment #4: cynickal  on  06/30  at  12:34 PM

“And if you do, please don’t be dumb.  Disable archiving.  That’s not 100 percent protection, but it’s better than nothing.”

Hey, maybe the people who took care of the Republican Party’s email system are available.  They demonstrated real talent when it came to making stuff disappear…

Comment #5: MikeEss  on  06/30  at  12:46 PM

Not because that person said anything that was career ruining, but because he or she committed the grave sin of being liberal.

Nuts to that.  Brietbart will try to ruin the guy’s career because THAT’S WHAT BRIETBART DOES.  He’s a bitter old coke-head with too much money and a weird sort of insider fame that only persists because he can sic his army of young rich white kids on other people with too much money and inside connections.

The guy exists to ruin careers.  He’s like a force of nature - or perhaps more like a Gulf Coast Oil Spill - recklessly spewing his bile into already polluted waters, simply because toxic cesspool is his business and business is good.

Brietbart would as happily take a conservative scalp as a liberal one.  He just considers liberals softer targets.  But the bigger the scalp the better.

Comment #6: Zifnab25  on  06/30  at  01:21 PM

$100,000?  Really?  Who pays Breitbart’s bills?  Andrew may be a idiot, but the bigger moron is the one bankrolling his idiocy.

Comment #7: robelanator  on  06/30  at  01:44 PM

#7:  Andrew Brietbart was the catalyst that brought down ACORN.  He got a couple of his rodents prying into Mary Landrieu’s office, and they walked off with wrist-slaps.  And a couple more of his pawns played Congressman Etheridge well enough to catch him grabbing a kid on camera.

This is Macaca-style media gold.  How much would you pay for it?

Comment #8: Zifnab25  on  06/30  at  02:38 PM

I realize that I shouldn’t feel this way, but Breitbart consistently surprises me with the depths of his shitfuckery. Nothing he ever says should shock me, but as a decent human being, sometimes I still find his malicious disregard for anyone not named Andrew Breitbart to be kind of jarring.

Comment #9: pajmahal  on  06/30  at  02:51 PM

Breitbart doesn’t surprise me.  It’s the total support he has from the conservative community which amazes me.

Conservatism is about hurting people, and when you join up, you take on a lot of foulness into yourself.

Comment #10: Punditus Maximus  on  06/30  at  03:17 PM

Why don’t you just sell him the list yourselves, and split the money 400 ways? That’s a cool $250 each.

Or you could give it to charity, if you wanted to be all noble and stuff.

Comment #11: heresiarch  on  06/30  at  03:54 PM

Oh, and when you start up the replacement list, be sure to include a bit of encryption.  It won’t mean shit for security if you have 400 participants, but it will drive the wingnuts absolutely bugfuck…

Comment #12: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  06/30  at  04:55 PM

Gateway Pundit and his commenters have decided that it was mainly Keith Olbermann and Katie Couric conspiring with each other, and wouldn’t mind destroying the lives of every person on the list

I can’t stand that douchenozzle.  Gateway Pundit - better known as Jim Hoft - lives just down the street from me and I throw up in my mouth a little everytime I see him.  Back in the middle of the HCR debate, he and his fellow know-nothing troglodyte groupies thought it would be real cute to leave a full-sized coffin in the front yard of our U.S. Congressman, Russ Carnahan.  This dude, along with St. Louis wingnut blogger and occasional Michael Savage guest host Dana Loesch, are both shitstains on humanity.

Comment #13: DTGslu2K  on  06/30  at  05:52 PM

So stick something on your lawn that will tempt him to deface it - an anti-war sign or something.  And conceal a loaded bear trap in front of it…

Comment #14: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  06/30  at  05:57 PM

The reichwing is increasingly desperate for scandal - attacks on the integrity of journalists and scientists who don’t do as they are told and report what they find are increasing.  It has less to do with any actual “fact finding” or “fishing” and more to do with their response to a reality based turn of events in government and intimidating people who can’t be bought.

Comment #15: Ms Kate  on  06/30  at  06:00 PM

Andrew Brietbart was the catalyst that brought down ACORN.

ACORN was already weakened by its extreme interior issues and enemies it richly earned on the left.  It didn’t take much.

Comment #16: Ms Kate  on  06/30  at  06:03 PM

So ... who is going to set up a computer to synthesize a fake list full of people who they never heard of and sell it to him?  I’m sure the Russian Mafia sees money in that.

Comment #17: Ms Kate  on  06/30  at  06:07 PM

If Breitbart ever does get a look at the archive, he will refuse to pay on the grounds that it’s been “scrubbed”, that all the this-is-how-we’ll-control-the-world-muahahahaha stuff was deleted.

So to whoever is considering doing business with this guy: GET THE MONEY FIRST.

Comment #18: Thlayli  on  06/30  at  06:17 PM

Hmmm, that would be so much fun to see him get bilked by some smooth offshore <strike>organized crime</strike> libertarian-minded organization willing to help his cause by claiming to crack into the archives. 

The whole offer seems ripe for a clandestine organization con job.

Comment #19: Ms Kate  on  06/30  at  06:25 PM

enemies it richly earned on the left

Yes, registering voters and helping the urban poorest of the poor always seems to bring out the worst in some folks, doesn’t it?

Comment #20: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  07/01  at  01:11 PM

I’m instantly reminded of The CRU hack. Nothing there, but it took a bunch of investigations to say so, and there’s STILL lots of people convinced that the folks at CRU are “tricking” the public, punishing dissenters and denying FOIA requests illegally.

Dosen’t matter if there’s nothing in JList. If anything gets out, there will be out-of context snippets trolled through Fox News and the blogosphere for years to come.

Comment #21: Left_Wing_Fox  on  07/01  at  04:05 PM

Dark Avenger, I think you are leaving something out here ... I know people who WORKED FOR ACORN and LEFT - must be because they were asked to do things like help poor people and register voters, right?  Gee ... that and ...

NOT paying employees on time or in full and treating employees like indentured servants and forcing people to work 80+ hour weeks and not paying them for more than 40 and insisting that anybody who pointed out their violations of labor and wage and hour laws was a racist, a traitor to the cause, part of the problem with entitlement, etc.

No, couldn’t be anything like that - but, hey, I only know people who actually tried to work for them.  Can’t be reliable sources about their autocratic structure and how that helped bring them down, now could it?

Comment #22: Ms Kate  on  07/01  at  05:17 PM

Here’s more from an independent review in the wake of an embezzlement scandal that was facilitated by the organizations poor management: http://www.proskauer.com/files/uploads/report2.pdf

Note also that organizers who worked on minimum wage campaigns were paid $18,000 per year for what was stated as 54 hours a week of work, but was typically more like 80-100 hours a week. Do the math.

Comment #23: Ms Kate  on  07/01  at  05:23 PM

Dark Avenger, I think you are leaving something out here ... I know people who WORKED FOR ACORN and LEFT - must be because they were asked to do things like help poor people and register voters, right?

As someone who claims to be in the field of medical research, you do know that anecdotes aren’t equivalent of data, right?

NOT paying employees on time or in full and treating employees like indentured servants and forcing people to work 80+ hour weeks and not paying them for more than 40 and insisting that anybody who pointed out their violations of labor and wage and hour laws was a racist, a traitor to the cause, part of the problem with entitlement, etc.


No, couldn’t be anything like that - but, hey, I only know people who actually tried to work for them.  Can’t be reliable sources about their autocratic structure and how that helped bring them down, now could it

You’re repeating yourself again.

So the leadership stank, therefore ACORN was better off dead at the hands of wingnuts with an agenda.

Do the math.

I’ve never found your figures and sums wanting, but that’s about all.

Comment #24: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  07/01  at  08:27 PM

Like the guy at Whiskey Fire said: Breitbart wants to spend $100,000 to know if anyone called him an asshole privately. I’ll call him an asshole in public for free.

Comment #25: Bitter Scribe  on  07/01  at  11:58 PM
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