If this dude is representative of a true believer, then I’m glad Obama’s not a Christian.

“The main point of the marquee is to cause the Christians to understand he is not a Christian, Again, they will call me and they will tell me that he’s not a Muslim because he is a Christian. That’s not the point.”

But…but that’s precisely the point.

Fuck! I am so sick of these god damn idiots, I could scream. Fuck them & their “god”.

The Lord seems to be taking it well, apart from the droughts and floods and poison monkeys. Wait, that’s Mother Nature.

Again, they will call me and they will tell me that he’s not a Muslim because he is a Christian. That’s not the point. The point is he’s </b>not</b> a Christian.

No True Scotsman indeed.

The only way that sentence makes sense is if it was slightly translated:

“Again, they will call me and they will tell me that he’s not a Muslim because he attends a Christian church. That’s not the point. The point is he’s pro-abortion, pro-gay rights, and against everything I personally stand for, so therefore not a Christian.”

That rephrase makes him a bigot, but not a bleeding nutter. But he might be a nutter anyway.

Honestly, I find his phrasing rather revealing. It doesn’t matter that he’s a Christian, because he’s “not a Christian”.

I mean, is there anything else it could be other than a poorly veiled statement on how Obama is black and all black and not like us, because he is black? Is there any way that it isn’t a dog whistle gone wrong?

It is instructive that both Al Qaeda and Churches like this are throwing hissy fits today.

I have only one thing to say to idiots like this: “Ha ha! Your god lost!”

Remember the wingnut that said if Obama won, that “Hindu” would think he is a bigger god than Jesus?

I would say that God probably has no opinion concerning the PotUSA’s religion, so this guy is a nutter regardless.  Whether God cares or not, I certainly don’t think it matters to me who the PotUSA prays to, if anyone/thing, not if that person is a rational and ethical person regardless.

Honestly, I find his phrasing rather revealing. It doesn’t matter that he’s a Christian, because he’s “not a Christian”.

Living in a not particularly Southern region of a Southern state (Northern Virginia), I long ago learned about the distinction between Christians and Kreestians. The fundamentalists have been engaged in a decades-long war to define only fundamentalists as being actual “Christians.” They’ve internalized the idea to such a degree that they don’t even notice that the same word is used, even by them, to refer to both their “true” kind and and others, so they can make bizarre statements like “he’s a Christian but he’s not a Christian” with the knowledge that if you understand, the meaning will be clear. (And if you don’t, you will either want to understand, or you don’t matter.)

They will call me and they will tell me that he’s not a Muslim because he is a Christian. That’s not the point. The point is he’s not a Christian.

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ummeli:

I have such respect for a church that looks like crappy 70s strip mall.  It just screams theological integrity.

Out in Phoenix, we had a crappy 70s strip mall—or one of earlier vintage—called West Town. You could see its sign from the freeway: a yellow starburst that said “West Town” in big chunky red letters. It went under. Now an organization named Cavalry owns it.

They kept the starburst, but it is white now—bleached clean by the Power of the Lord, no doubt—and mounted underneath is an animated LED billboard that displays messages from the Almighty, 24/7. I think they went the whole hog and used brick to dress it up instead of stucco.

It doesn’t look like theological integrity so much as trying a little too hard.

Is it just me, or is it weird to claim that Jesus wouldn’t approve of Obama by using a reference to the Old Testament?

This is what happens when nutjob sects co-opt a word. As my law school prof always said, be precise with your language, Mr. Fundie. Tell me what brand of hate you are so I can avoid you like a plague. Calling yourself a Christian doesn’t help me.

(Also Mr. Holick seems unable to afford periods or commas for his signs. I’m guessing he blew his budget on exclamation marks and scare quote marks.)

Is it just me, or is it weird to claim that Jesus wouldn’t approve of Obama by using a reference to the Old Testament?

Well, I thought it was weird that he said having a Muslim president was a sin and referred to the Old Testament, which has neither Christians, nor Muslims. But then I looked up the verse, and it’s extra special weird because Exodus 20:3 is the first commandment in the infamous Ten Commandments: Thou shalt have no other god before me.

What that has to do with whether the president of a particular country belongs to one or another monotheistic faith, I do not know.

Usually I don’t want to go down this route, but if there’s anyone in that article who’s winning the “not a christian” contest, it ain’t the president-elect.

“The main point of the marquee is to cause the Christians to understand he is not a Christian, Again, they will call me and they will tell me that he’s not a Muslim because he is a Christian. That’s not the point. The point is he’s not a Christian.”

In other words, he’s not a Christian.  What’s so hard to understand about that, DEMONcraps?  He’s either a Muslin or a Norman, as he’s not preparing for the Rupture.

He’s either a Muslin or a Norman, as he’s not preparing for the Rupture.

It’s pretty easy to prove that Obama is neither a course cotton fabric nor is he from South Eastern France. But, having just won the election and making plans for the next 4-8 years, I’m guessing he’s probably not preparing for the rapture. So you’re 1 for 3, RiM.

“The point is he’s not <strike>white</strike> a Christian.”

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Fixed.

@keith: Normandy’s in northern France, right on the English channel. Camembert & cider & a famous WW2 amphibious attack, etc. Otherwise, right on. Normans were Vikings who became French and invaded England and Sicily in the 11th c. Excuse this fit of pedantry.

Ms Kate: Of course! That sign is both female AND pregnant and therefore fulfilling the good Lord’s mandate!

How could I have missed it?

/really lame joke

I say, turn the tables on them!  Being surrounded by these sorts of lowlifes in Central Texas, I can tell you that they hate being compared to the Taliban, even thought that’s basically what they are.  It’s not the implication of misogyny, homophobia, profound ignorance, or hatred of science that bothers them about the comparison, it’s that the Taliban are Muslims that really torques them off.

As a Wichita resident I’d like to apologize to everyone…

If it’s any consolation, their own God apparently hates them too.

As I recall, their first sign was struck by lightning a couple of years back.

Exodus 20:3 : ““You shall have no other gods before [a] me.”

Quran 4:36 : “You shall worship GOD alone - do not associate anything with Him. ....”
Quran 2:133 : “Had you witnessed Jacob on his death bed; he said to his children, “What will you worship after I die?” They said, “We will worship your god; the god of your fathers Abraham, Ismail, and Isaac; the one god. To Him we are submitters.”“

“The main point of the marquee is to cause the Christians to understand he is not a Christian, Again, they will call me and they will tell me that he’s not a Muslim because he is a Christian. That’s not the point. The point is he’s not a Christian.”

Oh, boy! More proof for my contention that stupid people shouldn’t be allowed to have jobs!

PWI:

Being surrounded by these sorts of lowlifes in Central Texas, I can tell you that they hate being compared to the Taliban, even thought that’s basically what they are.  It’s not the implication of misogyny, homophobia, profound ignorance, or hatred of science that bothers them about the comparison, it’s that the Taliban are Muslims that really torques them off.

This. If you haven’t done this, I highly recommend it. Endless amusement.

More proof for my contention that stupid people shouldn’t be allowed to have jobs! 

He’s the pastor of a small fundy church… could that really be considered a job?  It’s more like a scam!

My fantasy is that Obama comes out as an atheist/agnostic on Inauguration Day.

“I don’t need a ‘holy’ book to swear on, I just went to that church for political reasons… BWAHAHA!”

I guess the commandment thingy against bearing false witness is just a suggestion. I hope he enjoys hell.

But they don’t call him GOD, they call him ALLAH, and that’s totally different!  No letters in common!

Obviously Obama’s not a Christian, because I’m a Christian and I disagree with Obama; therefore Obama can’t by definition be a Christian, because if he was a Christian, he would agree with me!  It does not make sense!  Chewbacca is a Wookiee from Kashykk…

I guess the commandment thingy against bearing false witness is just a suggestion.

Hey, that’s what the Mormons and the Catholics decided here in California when it turned out they weren’t going to be able to get Prop 8 passed without a massive campaign of blatant lying.  I guess the word of God doesn’t count for much when it conflicts with keeping the homos down.

Kansas ‘Christian’ Center: Obama’s election is ‘a sin against the Lord’

Just out of curiousity, why is “Christian” in quotation marks up there?  Are you implying that exclusion, intolerance, and bigotry are somehow against the precedent of Christianity’s 2000 year history?

But they don’t call him GOD, they call him ALLAH, and that’s totally different!

Him being JHWH, you mean?

If God can’t even rig an election, what good is He?

It is instructive that both Al Qaeda and Churches like this are throwing hissy fits today.

How do you tell the difference? The uniforms or the weapons?

Now an organization named Cavalry owns it.

Calvary? I know that outfit. They have a regular ad/section in the local paper full of fire and brimstone preaching for the unconverted and those who doubt the inerrancy of the bible.

Ironically, it’s called “Good News”.

I have such respect for a church that looks like crappy 70s strip mall.  It just screams theological integrity.

Yeah really. I don’t care for fundie Roman Catholics, either, but at least their Churches have decent architecture and music.

No, JHWH isn’t how you spell GOD, either!  G-O-D, it’s right there in the Bible in plain American English!  The bible doesn’t lie or contradict itself, ever!  Duh!  If you don’t agree with me, you’re a Muslim, that’s the point!

See, the point is not how you characterize your own faith or how others tell me you characterize it.  That’s not the point.  All that matters is how *I* characterize your faith, and I choose to characterize it as Muslim, therefore it is.  That’s the point.  So when I say Obama’s a Muslim against all evidence to the contrary, nevertheless he is a Muslim.  Because I have said so.  Which is the point.

(And if you don’t see that I’m joking, you’ve definitely missed the point.)

I had a conversation with a southern evangelical,  that Jews and Christians do worship the same god, but Muslims do not.  Her evidence was the existence of the phrase Judeo-Christian, but not Judeo-Christian-Muslim.  She is one of the few people I like and respect who has this crazy blind-spot hatred of Muslims. (She is otherwise smart, decent and somewhat progressive, i.e. supports gay marriage.)

I hope that the Obama administration, assuming it goes as well as we hope, helps people re-evaluate their Muslim bias.  Though I fear the only change will be “Obama is a Christian after all; not an evil Muslim.”

As far as I’m concerned, if you call yourself a Christian, you are one. That goes for Mormons, too. (After all, it is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.)

Of course, if I were myself a Christian instead of an atheist, I might have a different perspective.

I disagree. McCain & Palin got over 45% of the popular vote running on just that proposition.

Ask her about the phrase “Abrahamic”.

I had a conversation with a southern evangelical, that Jews and Christians do worship the same god, but Muslims do not.  Her evidence was the existence of the phrase Judeo-Christian, but not Judeo-Christian-Muslim.

Er, I meant the response “Ask her about the phrase ‘Abrahamic’” to be in response to this.

(After all, it is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.)

Nuh-uh.  J*sus din’t get inta no Star Treck transporter and tranport ta America to hang out with the engines.  That’s a BIG LIE, fabricated by chem-trail spewin Masons.

Oh gawd!  I saw these assholes on the local news a couple of days ago and was ashamed to be from Kansas (yet again). 

The good news?  There were protesters out there trying to get through to them.  A futile effort, but it made me happy to see it.

(Here’s the church’s website: http://www.spiritonecc.org/  It’s particularly nauseating.)

It would be so great if Obama whipped out a Quran when he is about to take the oath of office, and then looks at the crowd and says “Just kidding!”

Tommykey, I hear Thomas Jefferson’s own Koran is available for such high level state occasions.

I thought he was a Muslin.  Damn, it’s tough to keep this straight. I’m not a christian either but I’m not a Muslin.

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Fixed.
Sophist FCD on 11/19

I think Rebecca was equating that particularly idiotic quote to an equally idiotic but hilarious quote from Rick James on the infamous “I’m Rick James, bitch!” episode of the Dave Chapelle show.

Why do these churches still have tax-exempt status?

Him being JHWH, you mean?

- Phoenician in a time of Romans

*stones u*

THOSE STUPID FUCKING SIGNS
ARE SO TOTALLY AMERICAN
& MAKE FOREIGNERS LAUGH

Often, while perusing my daily blog list, I read crazy wingnut quotes out loud to my boyfriend. He inevitably pretends that they make all the sense in the world and that my little lady brain just need some explaining to get it. I read that Holick quote to him, and he couldn’t even muster up the strength to be sarcastic about it. His face just contorted with the effort of trying to understand the stupid. Therefore, by scientific decree, I declare this to be the wingnuttiest quote I’ve ever seen.

Redshift way up there at 2:07pm -

Over at Fred Clark’s Slacktivist blog, the term for Christians who arrogate the name for themselves while denying it to Mormons, Catholics, and most mainstream Protestants is Real True Christian, or RTC.  It’s a very handy distinction.

It doesn’t matter that the sky is blue. That’s not the point. Because the sky is not blue.

“Whereas, Almighty God hath created the mind free; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burthens, or by civil incapacitations tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion,... that the impious presumption of legislators and rulers, civil as well as ecclesiastical, who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavouring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world and through all time;  ...that even the forcing him to support this or that teacher of his own religious persuasion is depriving him of the comfortable liberty of giving his contributions to the particular pastor,...that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions any more than our opinions in physics or geometry, that therefore the proscribing any citizen as unworthy the public confidence, by laying upon him an incapacity of being called to offices of trust and emolument, unless he profess or renounce this or that religious opinion, is depriving him injuriously of those privileges and advantages, to which, in common with his fellow citizens, he has a natural right, that it tends only to corrupt the principles of that very Religion it is meant to encourage, by bribing with a monopoly of worldly honours and emoluments those who will externally profess and conform to it; that though indeed, these are criminal who do not withstand such temptation, yet neither are those innocent who lay the bait in their way;...
Be it enacted by General Assembly that no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief, but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of Religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge or affect their civil capacities.”

While the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom is basically the largest run-on sentence ever, I believe its words and concepts are some of the most beautiful I’ve ever read. I sincerely wish the Framers had not reduced its meaning to a very short clause in the concept’s inclusion in the Constitution. Unfortunately, it gets swept under the rug quite a bit.

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