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Karaoke, Halloween, and oh yeah, a book

Books

Halloween seems like a good day to discuss a book I just finished reading: Don’t Stop Believin’: How Karaoke Conquered the World and Changed My Life by Brian Raftery.  I picked this book up because I was a fan of karaoke long before it was cool, back when it was distinctly not-cool, and people couldn’t understand the appeal of a bunch of amateurs gathering around to sing popular songs to each other.  And so was Raftery, so this memoir of a karaoke addict was really appealing to me, because he saw what I saw from a similar perspective—-what was once your dorky hobby back in the 90s (I started singing karaoke in high school with my aunt who took me to karaoke bars with her) has now become a mainstream form of entertainment, and when you say, get a group together to sing karaoke to celebrate your birthday, you’re not going to have many people whining that they’re scared or this is dorky.  Most likely, you’ll have the virgins being anxious but willing, and everyone else will be picking their songs. 

Raftery decides the switch is due to three factors: the emergence of late 90s/early 00s super-singable pop songs by Britney Spears and the Backstreet Boys that are easy enough to sing that anyone feels comfortable trying, the popularity of “American Idol”, and the normalizing karaoke scene in “Lost In Translation”, a scene that really captures how karaoke works a lot better if people involved take their performances seriously, instead of doing a performance whose whole point is how you’re above all this.  I think he’s on to something, but he doesn’t go far enough, though part of the reason is the culture changed even more since he was writing this book, which came out in 2008.  I think it’s because Americans are increasingly putting a premium on fantasy and performance as valuable things, when in the past, these things were considered children’s fare that proper adults grow out of. (Unless they’re professionals, like actors or musicians.)  And even though Raftery and I agree that “ironic” karaoke performances—-where the person mocks the process of karaoke while performing—-are stupid, I will say the ironic bent of American culture since really the late 60s on has a lot to do with this.  It’s about playfulness, at its core, and once you start allowing and even requiring adults to be playful, then fantasy and performance are not far behind. 

That’s why Halloween is the perfect day for this.  The explosion in Halloween’s popularity tells you the whole story.  I’d say in Austin, it’s easily the biggest day of the year, barring the time the Longhorns won the national championship.  This is because you have a huge population of adults who have thrown the finger to the whole grow up and get boring process, but the trend is nationwide. The question is no longer “are you going to dress up?” but “who are you going to be?” Performing for others has almost completely lost its stigma, and thank god.  The performer enjoys it, and the audience enjoys it (even if they’re waiting their turn).  It’s a lot like sex—-once the taboo comes off for you, you wonder what you were so worried about for so long. 

(A complete aside: In fact, in the bad old days of karaoke, when people thought it was weird, those of us who liked it would often use sex metaphors to describe it.  We took this to often silly lengths—-I remember someone saying hilariously, “The big difference is that in sex, groups of women are a good thing.”  This was a reference to the absolute worst of the “ironic” karaoke performances.  A lot of women who wanted to do a stupid song so they could laugh about it, but were scared to go up alone, would jump on the stage in big groups and shout the lyrics.  This used to happen at least once a night in the bad old days, and it was a good time to get a drink or go to the bathroom, since the performance had no redeeming value.  I’m not against Teh Funny by any means in a karaoke performance.  But the humor should be the content, you performing in a way that’s funny.  You acting superior isn’t funny.  If you hate it, why are you singing?) 

Technology has a lot to do with this shift in public attitudes about performance and emulation.  Social networking, blogging, etc. have created a huge incentive for people to put themselves on display, when previously they may have just kept their opinions mostly to themselves.  Video games helped, too.  They used to be considered something mainly for children, but now it’s completely acceptable for grown adults to sit down and pretend to be someone else doing crazy stuff for long periods of time.  If you think about it, games like Rock Band and Guitar Hero (and now DJ Hero, which we just got yesterday, apologies for the lack of an evening post) were inevitable, and they landed at just the right time to explode in popularity.  Even a few years earlier, I think more people would be wildly ashamed to strap on a plastic guitar and pretend to play it.  Nowadays, though?  People fight to get the chance.  On the negative bent, I think the ubiquitous reality TV shows have also pushed along this further. 

It’s the sort of thing that causes all sort s of reactionary hand-wringing, especially when faced with the incontrovertibly evil influence of reality TV shows, but I tend to think that on the whole, the trend is a positive thing.  And that’s why I loved Raftery’s book.  He’s relentlessly upbeat about karaoke, and he talks about how singing it gave him a place to express himself and helped him develop confidence.  And I think that’s true for a lot of people, whatever their preferred form of performing is.  Being able to put yourself out there and finding out that not only does the world not end, but often people applaud for you can be a huge boost to the self-confidence.  And the reason is that these spaces give us a place to be acceptable even when we’re not the best at something.  I’m sure a lot of people would think that I should feel a crushing shame because I’m not a good singer in any objective sense, but I don’t have to be at karaoke.  The brilliance of it is that you find a way to do it that makes it fun for people while playing to your strengths.  I can’t sing, but I can vamp comically and I usually pick great songs that people didn’t realize they want to hear until I play them.  And I love music, and it’s infectious.  Performing gives you a place to figure out what your strengths are, instead of focusing on the shame of having weaknesses. 

Certainly, I remember back in ‘99, we would hang out a lot at this karaoke bar on the north side of Austin that had a crowd that loved mostly country-western, though my group of friends didn’t sing much of that.  We had one friend who would never sing.  He was too scared, he said.  But he promised he would do it one day.  Then one night he comes in, downs a couple of drinks for courage, and decides to do it.  He puts in the song “Peaches” by the Presidents of the United States, and he’s up on stage singing the first verse, and then when it hits the chorus, he throws all caution to the wind, and takes a flying leap off stage (which was like 4 inches from the ground), and skids across the dance floor on his knees.  Then he proceeds to run around, singing the song and rock starring it up.  He’s now in 3 bands, possibly more.  (I can never keep track.)  Once you get a taste for performance and self-expression, it’s hard to give it up.

So what do you think, Pandagonians?  Are you for or against this shift in the public attitudes?

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 11:30 AM • (59) Comments

I picked this book up because I was a fan of karaoke long before it was cool

Eh, I guess that depends on what you mean by “cool”.  My first karaoke experience was in 1993 in New Orleans.  It was pretty trendy then.  Or at least it seemed pretty trendy in New Orleans at the time.

Comment #1: DTG in STL  on  10/31  at  01:01 PM

Granted… it was distinctly not cool in my hometown, St. Louis, in 1993.

So yeah, I suppose it really wasn’t that ubiquitously cool back in 1993.  But it was in N’Awlins at the time.

Comment #2: DTG in STL  on  10/31  at  01:04 PM

It was prevalent, sure, but it was sneered at.  Now people don’t think you’re weird if you like to go sing karaoke.  And what was inevitable then—-someone getting up to sing a song and making fun of the process while they did it—-doesn’t happen anymore. At least, not very often.  It’s been normalized.

Comment #3: Amanda Marcotte  on  10/31  at  01:12 PM

I have to quibble about the audience enjoying it especially if the performer takes him/herself too seriously.  I understand why completely ironic performances are no good, but a performer who obviously loves his/her voice way too much and is just showing off is even worse.

I also have to say “bah humbug” about Halloween.  It’s now stretching to a week-long holiday.  I understand having Halloween parties the weekend before if Halloween itself is on a weekday, but it’s inexcusable this year.

Comment #4: keshmeshi  on  10/31  at  01:12 PM

As always, it’s both ok and terrible when the fratboys get into something.  Mainstream is fun, but they always make everything suck.

Comment #5: Punditus Maximus  on  10/31  at  01:24 PM

Good Times-

When I was in high school my friends and I hung out at a chinese restaurant on saturday nights and sang karaoke.  The crowd was totally bizare - a mixture of mentally ill from a local group home, middle-aged chinese men, and then us(four or five teenage girls).  The only song I could really sing was “These Boots are Made for walkin’” because I am pretty tone-deaf.  But the best performance was a 6’4 man on depakote singing “Let’s get physical”.  I don’t think anything will ever top that.  My boyfriend at the time hated that I spent saturday nights singing karaoke and even called it the “karaoke conspiracy”.

Comment #6: kitten parade  on  10/31  at  01:32 PM

I’ve never done karaoke, although I think I would do karaoke if someone else had planned it and I tagged along.  But you live a music-drenched existence.  How big is karaoke in locales where Insufferable Music Snobs [tm] aren’t as common?  The book probably says something about that.  I didn’t have the feeling it was _big_; I would have thought it was more like bowling, in that people still did it, but it was kind of niche-y.  I could easily be wrong.

I loathe Halloween.  First of all, I have a hard time recognizing faces, and Halloween just destroys any chance I have at knowing who the hell anyone is.  Second, when I was a kid, I was inevitably sick, and runny noses and costumes do. not. mix.  But Adult Halloween is particularly irritating when people start to come up with costumes that are “conceptual,” like dressing up as a friend, or just putting on clothes and making up the explanation later, or just being plain weird, like “I’m a clown that was bitten by a radioactive spider” or something.  Bleargh.

Comment #7: FlipYrWhig  on  10/31  at  01:33 PM

I unabashedly love karaoke. There is nothing ironic about a bar full of a hundred people belting the lyrics to “Total Eclipse of the Heart” in drunk joy while you and your best friend perfect your Bonnie Tyler impressions on the mic.

What I love about karaoke is what you’re getting at here- that potential for surprise, for play, for exploring what and who you want to be for those few minutes. Having a long-haired woman in western wear and cowboy boots come up and sing “Smells Like Teen Spirit” in the voice of Ann Wilson. Some jocky-looking guy in a popped collar doing a heart-wrenching REM cover (yes, I have seen this.) We all love these songs and we sing them in private. We repress the desire to sing out loud all the time, unhappily, but at karaoke we can let it out. To sing in public is like sitting around telling stories to one another- “I like this kind of music, I dream these kinds of dreams.”

I couldn’t be happier that karaoke’s getting more traction in the mainstream. Love it, love it, love it.

Comment #8: other_orange  on  10/31  at  01:43 PM

In college in 90-91-92, there was a metal bar in Eau Claire, WI, that had metal karaoke. It was, frankly, awesome, seeing someone in a black leather jacket and boots scream out “Blow Your Speakers”, absolutely tuneless but enthusiastic as hell!

Yeah, karaoke was fun, I kicked ass on “Casey Jones”. Haven’t done it in quite a while, “Friends In Low Places” backlash methinks…

Comment #9: paleotectonics  on  10/31  at  02:26 PM

Kesh, I didn’t say too seriously. I just think if you’re going to do it, you be entertaining. Laughing about it, picking a sing because it’s cheesy, being comical—-all legit ways of entertaining. But annoying people on purpose is lame.

Comment #10: Amanda Marcotte  on  10/31  at  02:31 PM

This must be an inter-atlantic thing because karaoke’s been mainstream in the UK for years, cool didn’t really come into it. It was just an option for a decent night out. Do you think there was an element of racism involved? Wheneer we see it referenced in American programmes it’s always presented as something ‘those crazy Japanese’ do. Me and my mates used to do it all the time but not so much these days - if anything I think the ubiquity of Singstar/Guitar Hero/Rock Band has led to a reduction in bars putting on public karaoke nights and as a result there never seems to be anything on.

Comment #11: Stubborn Kind of Fellow  on  10/31  at  02:40 PM

@ Stubborn

As an American transplant in the UK, one of the striking differences is how willing the Brits are to sing in public - you sing for sports events, you sing at the pub, you sing on stag do’s. American’s don’t really do that. Karaoke is just an extension of that willingness to sing in public.

Comment #12: SapphireCate  on  10/31  at  03:36 PM

Well, karaoke is obviously a horrifying venereal chancre on the ass of art, but I guess it’s better than everyone just staying home and watching TV. It’s an activity.

Comment #13: tb  on  10/31  at  03:46 PM

I view people being willing to perform for friends or in public live is a good thing.  Reality TV, not so much as there’s something manufactured about it from the TV producers and not as natural from the individual participants (i.e. Deliberate creation of conflicts among participants for higher ratings).

As for Karaoke, never seen much of a stigma because it came into vogue when I was already attending a college known for its non-conformist geeky/nerdy students….especially those of a creative/musical bent. 

I did, however, had to overcome my fear of singing publicly because I learned as an elementary school kid that singing was a “sissy” thing to do and was liable to get me beaten up…especially considering I have had a high pitch “kid’s voice” which still remains with me to some extent today. 

Fortunately, some college/work/grad school friends eventually got me to come around and at the last karaoke party I was at…actually got to sing one of my favorite songs “I fought the law”.  smile

As for Halloween, this was actually the first time in my entire life I actually made an effort to dress up as someone….and I went as the southern governor whose hike on the Appalachian trail took him past the equator to an exotic locale…complete with the map of his “Appalachian trail”.  Real easy….a suit, blue dress shirt, bluish tie, black pants, shines shoes, neatly combed hair, and a taped map of his “hike” on the outer suit. 

Attempted to accessorize it by adding a guitar to complete the “singing the blues” theme…but the venue was too crowded to have a guitar strapped on my chest without bumping into others.  Had a great time even though some didn’t get my costume at first….

Hey…saved me the $4 I would have had to pay if I didn’t wear a costume…;)

Even a few years earlier, I think more people would be wildly ashamed to strap on a plastic guitar and pretend to play it.  Nowadays, though?  People fight to get the chance.  On the negative bent, I think the ubiquitous reality TV shows have also pushed along this further.

I’ve also seen this though I myself have not fully embraced this.  Didn’t see the point in shelling out for a gaming console, game, and plastic guitar controller when I can apply the money towards a actual electric guitar and accessories. 

My personal philosophy in this regard is: If I’m going to suck…..let me suck with an actual guitar…;)

Then again, I won’t hesitate to join in playing that game at my friends’ place.

Comment #14: exholt  on  10/31  at  03:57 PM

Stubborn, I don’t think a lot of Americans really think about how karaoke was invented in Japan.  I think
Sapphire’s right—-Americans don’t sing in public.  tb’s comment shows why: Despite our anti-intellectual streak, mostly Americans are obsessed with the idea that either one is the best at what they do, or you shouldn’t show up at all.  That’s why soccer hasn’t taken off with Americans, probably more than any other factor.  International competitions that we can’t win handily disinterest us.  The idea of singing for the joy of it when you aren’t a professional singer offends American sensibilities. I’m not above this mindset in a lot of ways—-I’d rather spend my night at home cutting my toenails than see improv or community theater—-but I think that karaoke is cool with me, because it’s a way to perform for each other without incurring the obligation for everyone to pretend that it was better than it was, because your time investment was minimal.  Applauding and having fun is the point; it’s not about proving anything.

Comment #15: Amanda Marcotte  on  10/31  at  04:08 PM

The one downside to people singing in public nowadays is that when they play the Star-Spangled Banner, people actually try to sing it nowadays.  I remember the good old days, when we were able to just hang out until it was over, instead of putting up with people singing what amounts to a really brutal song off-key.

Comment #16: Amanda Marcotte  on  10/31  at  04:09 PM

I first sang karaoke in the mid 90’s with a bunch of colleagues. We had been at a regional church meeting and went to this joint in the Poconos. Ordered a couple of pitchers of beer and we were good to go. I sang Elvis’ “Falling in Love with You,” and another colleague sang a Guns and Roses number, a clergy couple did a Sonny and Cher piece, I forget what the other guys did and we all did Sinatra’s “New York, New York,” including the kicks.

We’ve done karaoke in church ( a guy’s chorus), singing among other things, “I Would Walk 500 Miles,” (with a minor edit). We were inspired by Sister Act.

Oh, last May, my church sponsored a tribute to the Allman Brothers concert!

Comment #17: revrick  on  10/31  at  04:43 PM

I f-ing love karaoke, and I agree, it is only fun if you take it seriously as performance (assuming being fun and funny is also a performance). I am way tired of hand-wringing about the exhibitionist nature of contemporary culture, usually from people who are in the elite group of exhibitionists, like columnists.

Comment #18: bethany  on  10/31  at  04:52 PM

I haven’t read the book, but if what we’re musing about is overall change in attitudes in the U.S., it seems important to obverse that Amanda (and Rafferty as well?) are presumably talking about a shift in what is considered cool/normalized within the dominant White culture specifically. Maybe not, and I myself don’t do this enough to know - but has there ban an equal upswing in brown & black folks going out and singing w/friends as a social activity?
Either way, I can’t help thinking that race and gender are a big part of this story - in particular in what it has to do with (white) American masculinity. It isn’t surprising that the whole expressive/emotional terrain and open revealing of shortcomings that comes with amateur singing would have once seemed too soft/vulnerable/whatever for Real Men[tm] (perhaps that was commenter #6’s boyfriend’s problem with it?) to do anything but make fun of it. And this same population just might have some exoticizing/orientalist perceptions of “the Asians”, particularly in terms of gender and sexuality, kicking around their heads…
Another observation is that much of this discussion seems to be about one particular form of karaoke - the bar/restaurant sort where the performances are public in a very broad sense. There are some big differences between that and the “karaoke box” places that you see, say, all over California (and that are an even more direct import via Japan/Korea/Taiwan/etc) where you get together a small-ish group of friends in a private room with food and drink service.  Of course these have been popular going-out venues for 2nd-generation teens & young adults for a long time now. For karaoke virgins, it can be a nice middle ground, combining the features of the karaoke bar with the lower stakes and more familiar mode of just dining/hanging out with people you know and can thus more easily take some risks with.

Comment #19: smr71  on  10/31  at  04:59 PM

@smr71

Karaoke rooms are so much fun. I am so happy to live in a city where that’s becoming more of a thing, and now instead of one place with karaoke boxes for rent, there’s like five. It really is a great way to spend an evening- getting food and drink, singing cheesy stuff, not having to worry about any of the negative possibilities of drunk strangers.

Comment #20: other_orange  on  10/31  at  05:09 PM

And as an aside, I’d never heard of karaoke rooms before I started watching asian television about five or six years ago. I’d be watching a soap, and the characters would all go to karaoke at one of those places, and I’d think to my already karaoke-loving self, “what a freaking great idea.” When they built the first place here, I went during their grand opening week!

Comment #21: other_orange  on  10/31  at  05:15 PM

I think Joss Whedon’s Angel has had a small influence in increasing the cultural prescence of Karaoke.  At least in the sense that anyone singing Mandy is at risk of unintentional irony.

Comment #22: shah8  on  10/31  at  05:31 PM

I met the wiff at karaoke. I kinda got a bit of a reputation around South STL for doing a version of Green Jellÿ‘s Three Little Pigs that really grinds the vocal cords.

She also dug the hair and leather jacket. It rokked.

Comment #23: Dr. Squid  on  10/31  at  05:44 PM

Maybe not, and I myself don’t do this enough to know - but has there ban an equal upswing in brown & black folks going out and singing w/friends as a social activity?

Heh. WHICH brown folks?

Among Asian Americans, karaoke was ALWAYS mainstream.

And, yeah, being free of self consciousness is part of it; if you’re a non-singer and you’re comfortable singing karaoke with the cast of a musical revue, that’s pretty much the spirit of karaoke.

Comment #24: gwangung  on  10/31  at  05:52 PM

Eh… there’s never anything new under the sun…. as in karaoke=the player piano of the 20th century.

Comment #25: phylosopher  on  10/31  at  06:41 PM

Once you get a taste for performance and self-expression, it’s hard to give it up.

This line made me giggle. I was a music major. Got my degree. Wanted to vomit before almost every performance. I refuse to do karaoke, and will likely never sing on a stage again. Hated feeling naked and exposed as a soloist.

Comment #26: MAJeff, the God of Biscuits  on  10/31  at  08:08 PM

Karaoke boxes are beginning to take off in the flyover states.  We just had a couple of big ones open up here.  I suspect they’re more classy/have more songs than the Korean-run ones, but I’m still fond of the Korean-run ones, because they are BYOB.

Comment #27: Amanda Marcotte  on  10/31  at  08:10 PM

As for the subcultural difference thing, well, hip-hop culture puts a premium on encouraging amateurs to try it, and performing for friends, but it also puts a premium on excellence, so it’s a mix of the two traditions.

Comment #28: Amanda Marcotte  on  10/31  at  08:12 PM

I’ve always wanted to try karaoke but have never actually stirred myself to do it. Part of what keeps me from doing it is that I’m never sure they’ll have songs I would actually know very well… I mostly know rock, especially rock from 1970 or so onwards… do they have that generally, or is usually more pop song choices you get?

Comment #29: atheist  on  10/31  at  08:26 PM

Maybe not, and I myself don’t do this enough to know - but has there ban an equal upswing in brown & black folks going out and singing w/friends as a social activity?

Well, I don’t know about Latinos in America, but Karaoke is HUGE in Costa Rica and Nicaragua!  Every decent bar has a karaoke set-up, at least one or two in every town of any size.  People take it really seriously, too - sometimes even too much.  There’s always a few men who think they’re Julio Iglesias, going way overboard singing rancheros and romanticas (really cliched over-the-top love songs) full of psuedoemotion while gawking at the prettiest girls in the room.  It’s a little skeevy sometimes. 

As for the general love of performance today, this is something I’ve really enjoyed since moving to New Orleans a few years ago.  Everyone loves dressing up and getting out of the mundane day-to-day existence here, especially on Halloween and during Mardi Gras of course, but it’s perfectly common and acceptable to see people wearing wigs and/or costumes any day of the year.

Comment #30: viajera  on  10/31  at  08:30 PM

From #26

Karaoke = Japanese cultural imperialism.
That’s what I think.

As long as the Japanese don’t start saying stuff like, “We keep ‘em singing over there so they don’t start singing over here”, or, “don’t let the singing gaijin be a mushroom cloud”, I think we’re fine.

Comment #31: atheist  on  10/31  at  08:35 PM

Without karaoke, I don’t think that Glee would be nearly as popular as it is.

Just sayin’.

Comment #32: Mnemosyne  on  10/31  at  10:14 PM

I don’t know about karaoke, have never really tried it, but I do absolutely adore Halloween, and wish it was a week-long holiday, or, barring that, that it were a little more culturally accepted to dres up randomly.

I’ve started dressing up to go to school (where Halloween costumes are few and far between even ON Halloween) as a way to express my hard-won self-confidence, and would dearly love to have enough courage to show up in an elaborate DIY Optimus Prime costume in the middle of April, or a pirate on Talk Like A Pirate Day, or whatever.

The internet, incidentally, is, I think, another thing that’s good for this, because it grants people the ability to associate with subcultures or created cultures in which things they might like to do are more socially acceptable.  For example, I’ve recently discovered the site Mylifeisaverage.com, and the site features a much higher than average incidence of people wearing costumes encountered in day-to-day life (aside from the Halloween season), and this, besides being cool and making me smile, increases the sense of normalcy that I can ascribe to the performance art of wearing a costume on a normal day.  This makes it easier for me to contemplate doing so, and makes it more likely that I’ll have the courage to pull it off, because that community’s view of it (cool and fairly common) replaces “OMG what would people think!?” as the dominant voice of conformity in my head.

Pretty much everyone here knows the value of accepting space, the effect it can have on people to be able to override society’s various judgments; it works on other social aspects too.

Comment #33: Kyra  on  11/01  at  12:03 AM

I came in 4th at a karaoke contest a few years ago. (I sang Orbison’s Pretty Woman.) My fellow contestants were a serious lot. The thing I notice is when they’re confident enough to stand in front of the monitor.  I sing songs that I know, but I still need the cue to get the timing right. They also burn their own karaoke disks because they don’t want to depend on the DJ having that tune on the playlist.

There is one guy, however, who only does Elvis, and he can’t sing slow. Once, when he had finished a number, I called out, “Love Me Tender.” He sang a few bars, but didn’t really bother to get the tempo.

Comment #34: Judge Moonbox  on  11/01  at  12:09 AM

The first time I did karaoke was in Japan, for a friends’ wedding after-party. The wedding was in Hawaii, and we were all living in Japan at the time. Good time. It was a small room that we rented, and… oh, my. Scratch that. First was the office party where I got incredibly drunk and sang “Papa Don’t Preach.” Not such a good time, as I wandered home drunk and lost at two in the morning, then spent the rest of the night vomiting. Couldn’t even drink water without vomiting the next day.

First Canadian karaoke experience was at a friend’s birthday party, and it was all in one big room at a gay bar. Good times. I sang “I Walk the Line,” because I didn’t believe I could sing at that time. It was fun. I still have to do a duet with my wife where we’re both cross-dressing, because we can both pass. But now we’re back in Japan, and that friend is far away.

I love that it’s becoming more socially acceptable. I’m a music student, and long for days when evenings in a family were centered around a piano, or just doing some singing or whatever. Beats the hell out of TV. One couple that my wife and I are good friends with, whenever we went over to their place for board games (ended up with three couples there; hosts, my wife and I, and another couple), we would end by singing together. Usually spontaneous, and the best part of an evening. The hostess had an amazing voice and could easily go pro with just a little training, but nobody else did. Doesn’t matter. Everybody would end up leading a song at some point. Skill/showing off wasn’t the point.

I guess I’m on the side of amateur music being a good thing to have more of. If karaoke is what it takes, I’m all for it.

Comment #35: Matthew, Patron Saint of Affogato  on  11/01  at  12:16 AM

I think that when it comes down to it, you’re either over yourself or you aren’t. In order to enjoy Karaoke, you have to be comfortable with being the butt of a joke. If you aren’t, then Karaoke will never be your thing. If you’re fine with everyone laughing at you for the sake of a good time, then you’ll do fine with karaoke.

Alcohol is good in this capacity—the only problem comes when you get maudlin drunks who reallllly want to sing “Losing My Religion” because the song like, totally speaks to them.

Comment #36: Mighty Ponygirl  on  11/01  at  12:46 AM

I guess I’m one of the few here who really HATES karaoke.  Not so much because of what it is, but because of what it did to the live-music scene in the Detroit area in the early 90s.  Local bands could not get gigs because it was cheaper for the bars to let non-talented people mangle perfectly good songs.

Comment #37: shartheheretic  on  11/01  at  01:18 AM

I’m not sure what to say. Karaoke was pretty big in Boston in the late 1980’s and early 1990’s and I don’t see it as much now (although I also don’t go out as much now). Also, Ferris Buellar was in 1986 and talent shows have been around forever,  so is this stuff really more widespread now?

Comment #38: JohnL  on  11/01  at  02:06 AM

I’m not personally a fan of karaoke but I don’t really care if others do it or not. I don’t like Halloween though; this automatic assumption of “what are you going to be?” is annoying to me. I’m all for other people having a good time by dressing up but I don’t like to do it myself, and it bothers me when people just assume that I must love this “holiday.” Halloween annoys me and I’m glad it’s over.

Comment #39: Jerry Vinokurov  on  11/01  at  01:06 PM

I guess I’m one of the few here who really HATES karaoke.  Not so much because of what it is, but because of what it did to the live-music scene in the Detroit area in the early 90s.

The same thing happened in Portland, which had a thriving club scene that actually- get this- was a source of income for professional musicians. Clubs would book pro bands for extended engagements, and pay you even when you had a slow month. Karaoke was not the only factor in killing that- other things happened, the rock venues started following the punk model of booking exclusively one-nighters, with 3-5 bands on the bill, all splitting the door, with the club paying nothing. At some point the clubs forgot how the business works, gave up completely on the long term, and now just treat music like a daily scratch-and-win ticket- maybe they’ll get lucky and tonight’s semi-amateur band(s) will bring in a few people. It’s basically Mogadishu now- lots of activity, none of it very well paying, and security is for shit.

I guess I’m on the side of amateur music being a good thing to have more of. If karaoke is what it takes, I’m all for it.

Karaoke is not amateur music. Or rather, karaoke is to amateur music what heating a TV dinner is to following Cook’s Illustrated.

Comment #40: tb  on  11/01  at  02:29 PM

tb: Karaoke is not amateur music. Or rather, karaoke is to amateur music what heating a TV dinner is to following Cook’s Illustrated.

I’m surprised that your analogy didn’t mention Guitar Hero or DDR.

Comment #41: grendelkhan  on  11/01  at  02:34 PM

Except Guitar Hero seems to be inspiring some people to actually learn an instrument- I’ve had several students come to me to learn to play after starting with GH.

Comment #42: tb  on  11/01  at  03:48 PM

I’m going to have to respectfully disagree, tb: karaoke is amateur music. A painter doesn’t have to be in a museum to be a good painter, a band doesn’t have to be on a label to rock, and you don’t need to be Pavarotti to entertain a crowd or your friends at karaoke. (Not that I haven’t heard some real bombs at karaoke… but more often, you can be pleasantly surprised by the quality of the voice or the intensity or the emotion. Personally, I try to let go of the “scorecard” mentality at karaoke and enjoy the fact that people are having fun, and so am I.)

What about other forms of amateur music? Singing around a campfire? Kids singing along to their favorite tape in the rec room? Singing in the subway station or busking for change? I heard a completely transcendent version of “Edelweiss” in the train station once, by a woman who didn’t actually want my change- she just wanted to sing, and to be heard, and the train station seemed like a good place to her. The opportunity for amateurs to sing and perform are so very few and far between.

Comment #43: other_orange  on  11/01  at  04:42 PM

Karaoke never really caught on much in my neck of the woods (central CT). They may have it on one night of the week at various bars, but I don’t think it’s ever been cool.

I did sing karaoke on a cruise ship once. It was outstanding. I had the good fortune to follow about 6 drunk Canadians singing various songs by Bryan Adams, and then a man who did a monotone of “Don’t Worry, Be Happy”.

I sang “Chain of Fools”, and the bartender lept over the bar and started dancing, and for the rest of teh cruise, people were stopping me to tell me how great I was. That was pretty fun.

Of course, I am a professional singer, in that I get financially compensated to sing sacred music at a church, and I also the member of an all women a cappella group. We’re having aconcert November 20th, and any Padagonians who are knocking around these parts are more than welcome!

Comment #44: maurinsky  on  11/01  at  08:50 PM

I love karaoke, but I’m kind of unsure about my ability to match pitch really well, so I tend towards the lower, more gravely, faster paced songs. Lots of Depeche Mode. I did Ace of Spades every other week or so, but that was because it was the only Motorhead song the guy had, and I was thus unable to explore the emotional bredth and intelectual depth of Motorhead.

I did it the first time in HS, singing Devil went Down to Georgia at a model UN convention- me and another dude were going to be all “ironic” about it, but his mike was defective, I played it straight even though I didn’t know the tune, and through sheer joy, it was awesome.

“Dancing Queen” and “Spooky” are two other songs I’ve done resonably well, despite being male.

My worst experience was being really, really drunk and trying to do Iggy Pop’s “The Passenger”, which is one of my favorite songs- It turns out, 75% of the lyrics are just going “la la la La De da dah”, which I was completely unable to get straight. Utter failure. Humiliation. Never tried it again.


There was a fairly solid pool of karaoke talent down in Chattanooga, lot of regulars, people who were otherwise in bands.

Comment #45: Indy  on  11/01  at  11:58 PM

As someone better suited to provide accompaniment than the vocals, I’m in favor of something that allows people to be musical without having to put themselves through music lessons and the like.

Some home karaoke systems have a rating system at the end of the number, Illocano Avenger always scores in the 90s, I get 84 or 85 at my best performances, but it’s still a lot of fun even without any spectators (other than family) involved.

Comment #46: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  11/02  at  12:48 AM

I found this post by reading Rob Horning’s take on it. 

http://www.popmatters.com/pm/post/who-are-you/

I have to say, what he says about judgment passing makes more sense than the sort of “everybody loves everything that happens” idea of what karaoke is.

Comment #47: nickelas  on  11/02  at  02:21 AM

Amanda @ #15:

Sapphire’s right—-Americans don’t sing in public.  tb’s comment shows why: Despite our anti-intellectual streak, mostly Americans are obsessed with the idea that either one is the best at what they do, or you shouldn’t show up at all.

This.

Americans have become a culture of perfectionists; it’s why so much recorded music today sounds sanitized. Heck, even performances by professional symphonies are pored over for even the slightest mistake and they are meticulously edited to be perfect.

I’ve heard it done. I’ve heard live performances of my local orchestra, and then heard the “live” replay on local radio the next day, and they sound different. This kind of pedantic perfectionism drives the soul out of our musical culture and makes modern musicians little more than robots focused on “the perfect sound”.

Which is why I’m so glad to see karaoke take root. Because it’s not perfect. It’s human. It has flaws, mistakes, and places where it even gets ugly. My singing voice took a nosedive after screaming a little too much at football games, so I don’t sing anymore, but I do play the trumpet, and love it. Not because I play it perfectly—I don’t—but because the experience of playing with others is so enjoyable.

Comment #48: DizzyMusician  on  11/02  at  03:10 AM

The first time I did karaoke was in Japan, for a friends’ wedding after-party. The wedding was in Hawaii, and we were all living in Japan at the time. Good time. It was a small room that we rented, and… oh, my. Scratch that. First was the office party where I got incredibly drunk and sang “Papa Don’t Preach.” Not such a good time, as I wandered home drunk and lost at two in the morning, then spent the rest of the night vomiting. Couldn’t even drink water without vomiting the next day. ecommerce web hosting

First Canadian karaoke experience was at a friend’s birthday party, and it was all in one big room at a gay bar. Good times. I sang “I Walk the Line,” because I didn’t believe I could sing at that time. It was fun. I still have to do a duet with my wife where we’re both cross-dressing, because we can both pass. But now we’re back in Japan, and that friend is far away. reseller hosting

I love that it’s becoming more socially acceptable. I’m a music student, and long for days when evenings in a family were centered around a piano, or just doing some singing or whatever. Beats the hell out of TV. One couple that my wife and I are good friends with, whenever we went over to their place for board games (ended up with three couples there; hosts, my wife and I, and another couple), we would end by singing together. Usually spontaneous, and the best part of an evening. The hostess had an amazing voice and could easily go pro with just a little training, but nobody else did. Doesn’t matter. Everybody would end up leading a song at some point. Skill/showing off wasn’t the point. adult web hosting

I guess I’m on the side of amateur music being a good thing to have more of. If karaoke is what it takes, I’m all for it.

Comment #49: Michal  on  11/02  at  06:58 AM

Now that’s some interesting spamming.

Comment #50: MAJeff, the God of Biscuits  on  11/02  at  09:56 AM

Either some bot is disturbingly adept at passing the Turing test, or someone’s post just got moth-eaten.

Comment #51: junk science  on  11/02  at  11:36 AM

A lot of my crowd is really into karaoke, to the point where they go once or twice every week…and I’m not. I enjoy live band karaoke quite a bit, but if I’m going to sit around listening to people sing, I expect a certain level of quality, which I don’t usually find at typical karaoke places. That’s also why I don’t go to see community theatre. I’m not anti either of these things, I’m just picky about things I know.

I am glad that karaoke is more aceptable now. I think that people should sing more, even if they couldn’t carry a tune in a bucker; it’s just a wonderful, joyful thing to hear people burst into song in the street, or hum along with the muzac at the grocery store, or whatever. I also think people should be silly more often. Life’s too damn short to be so stuffy.

Of course, life’s also too damn short for me to sit through things I’m not interested in. So while I’m all for karaoke and community theatre and short-form improv troupes, I’m not going to actually go see any of them.

Comment #52: stonebiscuit  on  11/02  at  12:30 PM

I’ve seen some community theater productions that have better acting and emotional resonance than Broadway productions.

Comment #53: maurinsky  on  11/02  at  01:13 PM

Americans have become a culture of perfectionists; it’s why so much recorded music today sounds sanitized.

If commercial music sounds that way, it’s because technology has made it practical for recording engineers to make more technically perfect recordings. It has nothing to do with American culture.

I’ve heard it done. I’ve heard live performances of my local orchestra, and then heard the “live” replay on local radio the next day, and they sound different.

Well, yes, a live performance by a large ensemble of acoustic instruments is going to sound different than a two-channel recording broadcast over the radio. Just like you can’t eat the picture of the Big Mac in the magazine- as a print reproduction of a photograph, it’s going to be absent some of the qualities of the original burger. And I’m going to ahead and give you my personal guarantee that no one spent the 12 hours between the concert and the radio broadcast poring over the recording, and even if they did, they would not have had time to correct your local orchestra’s performance to anything resembling sanitized perfection.

This kind of pedantic perfectionism drives the soul out of our musical culture and makes modern musicians little more than robots focused on “the perfect sound”.

Soul does not get there by mistake, sorry. It takes a mindset you would probably call perfectionist, along with a lot of hard god damned work. And if you think that, say, James Brown was less of a perfectionist than whatever current “robot” you wish to name, you’re sorely mistaken.

Comment #54: tb  on  11/02  at  02:05 PM

And the reason is that these spaces give us a place to be acceptable even when we’re not the best at something.

When I was hitting the karaoke bars a few years ago, there was one bar where the standard of performance was pretty high. I don’t know why—maybe the local choir geeks decided that was their haunt. But whatever the reason, some of the high-quality voices on display made it kind of intimidating to participate.

I much preferred the VFW, which was the kind of “safe space” you describe. It was okay to be an amateur there, and everybody was willing to listen to and support a singer with a middling voice, because they knew they’d get the same sort of tolerance when it was their turn.

If commercial music sounds that way, it’s because technology has made it practical for recording engineers to make more technically perfect recordings.

I’m going to sort of agree with tb here.  The invention of recording technology is a source of major cultural change, all over the planet.  Live performance has to contend with something it didn’t 150 years ago: every single person in the audience has had the opportunity to hear a “perfect” rendition of the songs you’re playing.  That goes not just for rock music; I played in an amateur swing band, and I was amazed how many of the players—the 82-year-old bari sax player included—insisted that we do everything at the same tempo, or with the same styling, as the original Glenn Miller recordings.

Comment #55: Cris  on  11/02  at  03:04 PM

I have fun with it. The first time I did it in public was at a bowling alley - now closed thanks Seattle for closing places where people of all income leves could gather. It was terrifying but kinda awesome to know that my deep love for Dolly Parton songs could finally come to light and people would have to know that it WAS non-ironic.
This is also why I love Rock Band. Singing is way more fun than just playing the fake guitar!

Comment #56: Danica Lefse Queen  on  11/02  at  04:31 PM

Either some bot is disturbingly adept at passing the Turing test, or someone’s post just got moth-eaten.

The spambot snagged post #36, added its junk, and reposted it as “Michel.”  Since you can’t post without being logged in, it figured out a way to hack “Michel’s” account, or Michel was a spammer who snuck in.  Or even scarier, maybe it figured out how to fake being logged in…

The semi-karaoke scene in “Top Gun” where Tom Cruise sings “You’ve Lost That Loving Feeling” to Kelly McGillis was my first encounter with karaoke, though I didn’t know that was the term for it.  Lots of people sing in their cars while driving, I bet, but only while alone or with close friends.  Can’t forget the “Bohemian Rhapsody” scene in Wayne’s World.  Awesome.

Comment #57: liberalrob  on  11/02  at  05:17 PM

i went to karaoke as an adult for the first time on my 21st BDay, drunk enough to agree to sing - but so nervous and terrified i was shaking, and i dropped the mic…
so the guy running it brought me another mic, and restarted the song -

and i was hooked.

hell, i was a KJ until the hip-problem happened [karaoke jocky - it’s less dorky than it looks, i promise] and i had even *more* fun running karaoke than i did just attending and singing. aside from equipment issues, that is. i worked for a guy who owned 8 or 9 systems. he worked a bar, himself, everynight with the best system. i ran tusday nights [and sometimes other nights, but tuesday was the main night] and i was supposed to have system 2, but people would steal systems sometimes. and about 6 months in, i had to hire an “assistant” to haul and set-up the equipment [mostly the speakers. 3-foot-tall speakers are HEAVY] i got $80 a night, but i paid the person half of it…
meh. it was getting PAID to do a hobby. i don’t drink; the money was pure gravey.

i still miss it.

Comment #58: denelian  on  11/03  at  01:08 AM
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