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Kids: screw ‘em

Via Digby, USA Today has a story about how child poverty has escalated to mind-numbingly high levels.

The rate of children living in poverty this year will climb to nearly 22%, the highest rate in two decades, according to an analysis by the non-profit Foundation for Child Development. Nearly 17% of children were living in poverty in 2006, before the recession began…...

The report projects that the percentage of children living in families with an “insecure” source of food has risen from about 17% in 2007 to nearly 18% in 2010, an increase of 750,000 children. Up to 500,000 children may be homeless this year, living either in shelters or places not meant for habitation.

But even with an issue as serious as this, our morally bankrupt mainstream media has to pull the fair-and-balanced card.  If you’re going to quote someone who is against children living in poverty and going hungry, you gotta find a poverty-and-hunger supporter.

Judith Palfrey, president of the American Academy of Pediatrics, says family poverty increases many risks for children, including low birth weight, premature delivery, learning problems, asthma and other health problems. But the conservative Heritage Foundation’s Robert Rector says the index offers little new information. He says the report doesn’t mention that poor children’s family incomes are supplemented by programs such as food stamps and housing assistance. “Most of the report is an advertising tool for more government programs and spending, which are pretty ineffective in increasing child well-being,” he says.

In other words, “We found a highly qualified doctor to explain how it’s not so great for kids to have lack of access to health care, housing, and nutrition.  And we found some asshole to say that he thinks a little starving should do ‘em some good. Don’t forget to weigh these options equally, dear audience.” 

Needless to say, Robert Rector considers himself “pro-life”.  You’re precious to him on a cellular level, but once you start breathing and feeling and eating through anything but an umbilical cord, you’re on your own. 

Of course, I know that this mindless assholery goes straight back to the built-in conservative assumption that the only thing that children need is a parent with a penis and his sidekick servant called “wife”.  In Wingnut Land, children don’t need food, shelter, education, or health care.  They just need a heterosexual couple to raise them.  The result is a worldview that makes child-hating assholery inevitable.  And not the kind of child-hating that creates 200 plus comment threads, where some childless person says, “Oh I hate it when some baby is crying in a movie theater” and the pile-on begins.  No, we’re talking about a topsy-turvy situation where “pro-life” conservatives are coming out against children doing well and for children starving and sleeping on the streets.  Because not only do you have Robert Rector railing against food stamps that keep kids from starving (sort of), but you also have all the angry wailing at the news that lesbians are raising healthier kids on average than straight couples.  Dammit, the only index we need is the penis index!  One adult penis per household—-no more, no less—-that’s all you need to know.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 06:58 PM • (60) Comments

But Amanda, if you take money from the rich to keep children from starving, some hedge fund manager might have to save for 2 months instead of just 1 to afford his $100,000,000 yacht.  And that would mean he didn’t have any incentive to work hard, and cancer patients would die!

Comment #1: libdevil  on  06/08  at  07:45 PM

Of course, the other important take-away is that they had to go to reactionary assholes like the Heritage Foundation to get somebody to disagree with the idea that kids need food.

Somebody needs to keep hitting these wingnuts with the fact that poverty affects our military readiness. Underfed, sick kids don’t grow up to be cannon fodder.

Comment #2: mythago  on  06/08  at  07:57 PM

What is the purpose of “the opposing side” on an issue like this? Even the most dimwitted news editor can see that there is nothing to be gained from saying that it is okay to starve children. Why must they politicize everything? Stating the facts of child poverty really is a big enough story all on its own. There really is no need to hear from the “I’ve got mine—fuck you” group on absolutely, ever single issue. But oops, I forgot. They’re the ones who own the media.

Comment #3: DC Fem  on  06/08  at  08:08 PM

I support food stamps, free school lunch, WIC, etc. If there’s one group in society you can’t hang out to dry, it’s kids.

But I think it’s dishonest to overlook the major link between single parenthood and poverty. It’s not the Penis Factor. A lot of women who give birth while single are already poor to begin with, and once a baby comes along, it’s even harder to make ends meet on one low-income job. Kids with two parents with low-income jobs are better off, on average, than kids with one poor parent going it alone. That’s just how it is.

Comment #4: Ashley Herzog  on  06/08  at  08:14 PM

...so it IS better for a mother to be married or have a co-parent. It’s impossible to replace a person’s entire income with government assistance.

Comment #5: Ashley Herzog  on  06/08  at  08:16 PM

Ashley: noting that there is a correlation between single parenthood and poverty is accurate. Jumping to the conclusion that “it IS better for a mother to be married or have a co-parent” is, well, a leap. The former observes that there are both correlative factors (e.g. poor moms and teenage moms are more likely to be single parents in the first place, and at higher risk for poverty) and causative factors (having only one income). But going on to say that therefore, every single woman is better off married/partnered because she will automatically have more money is a big and unwarranted assumption.

Comment #6: mythago  on  06/08  at  08:24 PM

mythago, I disagree. I imagine that to many wingnuts this is perfect for cannon fodder. Take a 18 y/o who was raised very poor, wave a fat joining bonus and college money and other offers in his face, and he’s more likely to sign up. Repeat as necessary. The more poor kids, the more cannon fodder you will have in a few years.

Comment #7: Summerm  on  06/08  at  08:24 PM

I’m with DC Fem. How is it possible that there are “two sides to this story”? I can’t see how letting children starve & limiting their access to healthcare benefits them (especially) or the country. But then again, I’m a liberal, so clearly I don’t understand economics, or so I’ve been told.

Comment #8: Mark  on  06/08  at  08:39 PM

Geez, Amanda, first you complain that all the poor kidz are fat, then you tell us it’s no good to starve them either - make up your mind! smile

Comment #9: firefall  on  06/08  at  08:47 PM

What is the purpose of “the opposing side” on an issue like this?

You see, serious journalists are objective.  You ccan’t be objective if you only show one side of the story.  There are always two sides to the story.

If you bother to point out that one side is morally bankrupt, or without academic merit, or just plain false, well then you’re biased.  As we all know, reality has a liberal bias, so simply trying to report the truth is inherently biased.

The worse thing in the world for a journalist is to be called a liberal.  It’s worse than actually being liberal or writing a ;iberally-biased article.  Much better to call the Heritage Foundation or Intelligent Design wonks or Climate Change deniers and act like their arguments are equally valid, even if the resulting article bears little resemblence to reality.

Fair and balanced, y’all!  Fair and balanced!

Comment #10: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  06/08  at  08:55 PM

summerm @7: kids who have serious health or developmental problems can’t serve.  For example, if your kid has asthma because he grew up in a moldy high-rise, that’s an automatic disqualification.

Comment #11: mythago  on  06/08  at  09:00 PM

But mythago, they make very good, stupidity required teabag voters. (Poper food does have an effect on brain development.

Comment #12: phylosopher  on  06/08  at  09:13 PM

It’s impossible to replace a person’s entire income with government assistance.

that may be true in America and other neo-con-ish countries; but it’s not inherently true.

and it assumes that a second parent will actually be helpful, when in reality it’s often a leech on the resources (time, money, energy, mental health) of the one responsible parent.

sometimes, being a single parent is significantly better than being partnered up.

Comment #13: jadehawk  on  06/08  at  09:20 PM

The rate of children living in poverty this year will climb to nearly 22%, the highest rate in two decades, according to an analysis by the non-profit Foundation for Child Development. Nearly 17% of children were living in poverty in 2006, before the recession began…...

Just keep chanting, Kids - “America is the greatest country in the world”...

Comment #14: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  06/08  at  09:28 PM

Listen to what this fsckwad is reported as saying:

He says the report doesn’t mention that poor children’s family incomes are supplemented by programs such as food stamps and housing assistance. “Most of the report is an advertising tool for more government programs and spending, which are pretty ineffective in increasing child well-being,” he says.

THIS MAKES NO GODDAM SENSE!

He’s complaining that the report doesn’t take into account the fact poor kids are made better off (than they would otherwise be) by government spending on such programs as food stamps and housing assistance, and then he turns around and says that government spending on poor kids doesn’t really help them. Well, heck, RR, which is it? If the government programs don’t help, isn’t the report right to ignore them? And if they do help, then why are you lying and saying they don’t?

In 1984, Orwell had something to say about the culmination of Newspeak, in which party slogans would reach the vocal tract without ever going through the conscious parts of the brain. I applaud the Heritage Foundation for having reached Big Brother’s goal.

Comment #15: paul  on  06/08  at  10:00 PM

I’m not sure if it’s a bad thing for the press to give the Heritage Foundation spokesman a chance to say, “I’m an ignorant, child-hating asshole with so little empathy I’m probably a sociopath.” It might make people remember who is talking when the Heritage Foundation tries to say something more insidious and reasonable-sounding, but still evil.

Comment #16: Samantha Vimes  on  06/08  at  10:31 PM

I don’t think this Rector is against giving food to hungry children. He just wants God to do it, because God doesn’t make you pay taxes.

Comment #17: Bitter Scribe  on  06/08  at  11:16 PM

“He’s complaining that the report doesn’t take into account the fact poor kids are made better off (than they would otherwise be) by government spending on such programs as food stamps and housing assistance, and then he turns around and says that government spending on poor kids doesn’t really help them. Well, heck, RR, which is it?”

Maybe this will help:
Winston sank his arms to his sides and slowly refilled his lungs with air. His mind slid away into the labyrinthine world of doublethink. To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again: and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself. That was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word ‘doublethink’ involved the use of doublethink - 1984
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Comment #18: MikeEss  on  06/08  at  11:16 PM

Oh wow. You can always count on the Heritage Foundation for mindbogglingly awful ideas delivered with a straight face.

To be fair though his point is that government assistance isn’t doing much for the kids so why pay for it when it is ineffective. I haven’t read the article under discussion but I would take a wild guess and say its probably suggesting more money should be spent so improvements can actually be made. Its a fiscal conservative classic. Give people just enough so that they can survive but never enough for their lives to improve then bitch and moan when they don’t pull themselves up by their bootstraps and insist that since assistance didn’t work its sink or swim time. Then when its sinking time it’ll be time to claim that they tried but there’s no point throwing good money after bad and its really a matter of personal responsibility and while making these claims they will do their best to hide a warm whole body sensation of smug self satisfaction.

Comment #19: pharmakos  on  06/08  at  11:37 PM

Seriously, the spokeman’s name is ‘Rector’??? —in fiction, you’d get dinged for that being too obvious.

Comment #20: Eric_RoM  on  06/08  at  11:54 PM

To be fair, he didn’t say that starving was a good thing, he said that just because there is an increase of children without secure access to food and shelter it doesn’t actually mean there is a problem because they’ll be fine, that’s why.  So really it’s not a different side of the story as much as it’s guy reassuring us that we don’t have to worry about the story at all.  Maybe he should go out and tell the parent(s) of those extra three quarters of a million children about these great secret programs like food stamps.  Perhaps he could send them a copy of that book by that guy who dresses like the Riddler on late night television.  Since they probably weren’t almost poor already last year, they might not know about all that free government money.  Bam!  Problem solved.

Comment #21: Kyso K  on  06/09  at  12:19 AM

This reminds me of a John Stossel propaganda video we had to watch in high school economics where he talks about how being poor makes people more likely to live unhealthy lives and die early and then concludes that we need to get rid of all forms of taxation so that poor people have no money.

Comment #22: alysia  on  06/09  at  01:21 AM

”...being poor makes people more likely to live unhealthy lives and die early and then concludes that we need to get rid of all forms of taxation so that poor people have no money.”

...a feature, not a bug…

Comment #23: MikeEss  on  06/09  at  01:31 AM

summerm, mythago - it doesn’t have to be the unhealthy kids that grow up to join up. If your kids are unhealthy, you need money, food and health care - a qualified, caring parent is going to be banging on the recruiter’s door if that’s what it takes to get care for their kid.

Just happened to a friend of mine. Three kids, two have asthma, one has ALL. Their father lost his job, and was at the army recruiting office within two months. He just couldn’t risk losing health coverage or a steady income.

Comment #24: Tapetum  on  06/09  at  02:09 AM

I meant to say more money. Stossel’s argument was that the poor are just being taxed to death and everything would be fine for them if we got rid of welfare and privatized the roads.

Comment #25: alysia  on  06/09  at  02:31 AM

@24: Ah man, I thought you meant the parent would be hitting up the recruiters on the child’s behalf. :p

Though that does seem like a thoroughly Republican scheme; the army can buy “shares” in your child—provide healthy food, a modicum of education, give ‘em their shots and make ‘em work out and play FPS games—and then at 18 the child is shipped off to the army for a certain duration. The more shares the army buys the longer your kid is indebted or should we say “apprenticed” (that sounds nicer, doesn’t it?)

Naturally the army could sell its shares to other organizations or even to private companies (free market!) BP could buy some shares and stick those 18-year-olds on an oil rig, for example. And of course there is always the option for the parents to stop being poor and buy their kid back. Win-win!

Probably there would be interest, though; the longer the kid takes to work off their debt and buy up their shares the larger the debt would be (this could be organized by Bank of America, I suggest.) Yeah. That sounds about right.

*dies*

Comment #26: Bagelsan  on  06/09  at  02:35 AM

yeah, I read that qoute from the Heritage guy about three times, and it still didn’t make any sense—over and above the cold-hearted assholeness.

As best as I can translate: “Government programs are feeding starving children, but not enough, so none should be fed at all, because if they actually starved to death, we wouldn’t have to feed any.”

Comment #27: judybrowni  on  06/09  at  04:13 AM

But perhaps my translation is off a tad, this may be more exact:

“Feeding starving children is bad because it just gives them the taste for more food. If we let them go hungry they’ll be too weak to ask for more, and they’ll eventually die, and save us the bill.”

Comment #28: judybrowni  on  06/09  at  04:17 AM

He says the report doesn’t mention that poor children’s family incomes are supplemented by programs such as food stamps and housing assistance. “Most of the report is an advertising tool for more government programs and spending, which are pretty ineffective in increasing child well-being,” he says.

Hey Rector!  Dickens called and said he wants you to stop stealing his “Oliver Twist” bit.

Comment #29: prufrock  on  06/09  at  08:16 AM

Isn’t it all anti-sex?  Make abortion illegal, and make having a kid unpleasant.  They’re not trying to save kids or fetuses, they’re trying to save adults from sex.

Comment #30: Wallace  on  06/09  at  08:48 AM

Whoa. That quotatin is relaly all kinds of awful. Let’s see, he’s trying to argue:

1. Don’t worry, the report is wrong. Poor kids aren’t really poor, because their parents have all kinds of supplemental income that isn’t counted in the poverty rate (food stamps, etc.)

2. Of course, this money is by definition a waste because it comes from The Government. Since it can’t possibly improve their lives, we shouldn’t put any more money towards these types of programs.

It’s not only doublespeak, it’s a world-class tightrope of cognitive dissonance. On the one hand reassuring people that they aren’t being cruel and heartless for ignoring child poverty (because it isn’t really there!) and on the other, reassuring them that they need do nothing further (because it wouldn’t help anyway!).

Sheesh.

Comment #31: Witt  on  06/09  at  09:38 AM

Ashley, no one is disputing that single mothers have a tough time at it, and they often labor in poverty.  But the problem is offering the penis as a panacea.  Very few single mothers want to be single.  If the right guy came along, they’d probably be more eager than women who don’t need a helping hand.  The problem is that conservatives are so eager to prescribe the mere presence of a man as the cure-all for everything, that they deny that a woman might be single because she has no access to a good man who loves her that she loves back.  I fail to see why it’s so hard to imagine that women living in poverty might have as hard a time finding a husband as the women singing “woe is me” songs about living single and middle class in NYC to the Observer.  In fact, you have a lot of strikes against you in the dating department when you’re a single mother.  For one, your pool of potential dates is smaller just because many men simply won’t date mothers.

Comment #32: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/09  at  10:00 AM

mythago is right—-and this is a historical reality.  Free lunch programs were started because the military was having trouble recruiting healthy young men.

Comment #33: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/09  at  10:04 AM

This is so odd to read all this today after I got into an argument with a antichoice idiot on campus yesterday. I agree Amanda they don’t care after the child is born that is so obvious. The argument I had with the antichoice (they had a fit when I called them that) idiot was that no you aren’t prolife yada yada as I am sure most of you who are prochoice and deal with the antichoice nuts on college campus have had before and the girl who couldn’t of been more than 18/19 yrs old ran away crying. Now, I didn’t even yell at her or say mean things I just stood firm in my prochoice position and I think the showing her she had no logic to her argument the same one I hear from them all forced her to tears. I am not her I don’t know. But what I do know is these same people are against helping any child that is born. It is like those CPCs handing out a pack of diapers and a load of crap about abortion and birth control and thinking it helps. I am so sick of it all but at least we (prochoice peeps on campus) are finally getting together and thinking of ways to counteract them. It has been a long time trying to find people to help us here in WV bible belt but I am happy to say by year’s end there will forces on campus to help women get real information.

Comment #34: bucketsoffate  on  06/09  at  10:05 AM

Btw, you’d think here in WV where childhood poverty is so much everywhere those idiots would have more of a heart. It sickens me all of it.

Comment #35: bucketsoffate  on  06/09  at  10:07 AM

@5 Ashley said “to be married or have a co-parent”, not be married. 

I think Ashley’s focus is wrong though.  Kids need resources and attention.  It is hard enough to do with two parents; with one it is an enormous unforgiving drain, one you can’t slip up.  The support doesn’t have to be a spouse, doesn’t even have to be a relative, but a kid or group of kids does better when more than one adult is paying attention to their lives on a daily basis.  It’s the same reason I have an immediate and violently negative reaction to huge families - even the best parents in the world can’t give suffiecient attention to a dozen kids, even if money were not a factor at all.  Where the break is going to be is dependant on all sorts of factors - parents’ personalities and skills/talents, outside responsibilities, general environment - as to whether that point is at 8 or 5 or 2 or none.

Comment #36: helen w. h.  on  06/09  at  10:20 AM

“mythago is right—-and this is a historical reality.  Free lunch programs were started because the military was having trouble recruiting healthy young men.”

And child labor laws got their start because so many children were being maimed in factories and mines and the like that it was rendering countries incapable of defending themselves against their neighbors for lack of healthy young men.

Comment #37: preying mantis  on  06/09  at  10:28 AM

...so it IS better for a mother to be married or have a co-parent. It’s impossible to replace a person’s entire income with government assistance.

There’s one thing that everyone always forgets to take into consideration.  Is being a single parent better than the alternatives?  Not everyone has the option of having a great co-parenting situation.  That simply isn’t a choice for many.  So if the choice is between being a single parent and being in a crappy relationship, then by all means it’s much better to be a single parent.  Or if the choice is to get married just for money, then again I will have to say that being a single parent is the better alternative.  And of course having a third or fourth or fifth parent would also add a lot of income to a family, but that doesn’t mean it’s always the better choice.

If finances are the only thing you’re worried about, then we need to ensure that non-custodial parents are held responsible for paying child support.  It won’t be the same as living with that man and him contributing his full income, but it’s certainly a good place to start.  I also don’t like the way you assume that mothers have full responsibility for their children.  While it is true that the burden most often falls to the mother, there is a significant amount of single fathers out there too.  Would you give the exact same advice to single fathers that it’s better for them to be married to have an extra income?

Comment #38: bananacat  on  06/09  at  10:39 AM

Just yesterday one of my coworkers complained that when he moved away from California several years ago, they had the audacity to tax the income he had earned in that state during the part of the year that he lived and worked there.  He clearly doesn’t have a good understanding of how taxes work.  And he was mostly mad that his tax money paid for ambulances for his neighbors, for drug dealers, and for homeless people, but he had never needed an ambulance so he didn’t think it was fair.  I asked him what he expected those sick people to do, but I guess he assumed it was rhetorical because he didn’t answer.  I mean really, he actually wanted to deny ambulance service to people having emergencies?  Doesn’t he realize that people might die without ambulance service?  Is being homeless a capital offense now?

He’ll be moving again soon and I’ll be glad to get rid of him.  He fantasizes about moving to a “tax-free” state, meaning a state that doesn’t have state-level income tax.  I guess he thinks that all other taxes aren’t real taxes.  States need to make revenue somehow and he shouldn’t jump to the conclusion that he’ll automatically be better-off if he doesn’t pay state income tax.  Either he’ll pay the tax in some hidden, less-obvious way, or he’ll do without certain government services and end up paying for those things out of his own pocket.

This guy also watches Fox News, and when I mentioned that I got a flu shot this year, he tried to scare me by saying there are Bad Things(TM) in vaccines.  When I pressed him further he couldn’t come up with much except that they have dead or weakened viruses in them.  I asked him how he thought vaccines are supposed to work, but I guess he also thought that was rhetorical because he didn’t answer.

Anyway, I’ve strayed really off-topic here but my point is that this guy is extremely naive and also pretty blatant about his desire for “bad” people to just fuck off an die.

Comment #39: bananacat  on  06/09  at  10:47 AM

I don’t think this Rector is against giving food to hungry children. He just wants God to do it, because God doesn’t make you pay taxes.

Yes, God prefers tithing over taxation, where the punishment for not giving is an eternity in Hell rather than an IRS audit.  But the important part is that when God feeds hungry children, you’re allowed to hold it over their heads and force them to convert to your particular brand of Christianity or threaten to take away their food.

Comment #40: bananacat  on  06/09  at  10:54 AM

He’s complaining that the report doesn’t take into account the fact poor kids are made better off (than they would otherwise be) by government spending on such programs as food stamps and housing assistance, and then he turns around and says that government spending on poor kids doesn’t really help them. Well, heck, RR, which is it? If the government programs don’t help, isn’t the report right to ignore them? And if they do help, then why are you lying and saying they don’t?

This is a new meme running through conservative circles right now. Robert Samuelson, who rivals Richard Cohen as Worst Washington Post Columnist Ever, was spouting something similar in a column on Sunday. He was complaining that Obama’s proposed poverty rate doesn’t take into account food stamps, earned income tax credit, etc.

My reaction reading that was Zuh?

Comment #41: louC  on  06/09  at  11:09 AM

Shorter Robert Rector and Greater Teabaggia and Upper Wingnuttia: 
Fucking <strike>magnets</strike> government, how <strike>do they</strike> does it work?

I just wish all these Randian Supermen and Life-Hating “Pro Lifers” would just move to their government-free, no taxes, no services, no infrastructure, no laws, dog-eat-dog, whoever-has-the-biggest-<strike>dick</strike>gun-rules, Galtian Paradise in Somalia (or maybe Antarctica?) and leave the rest of us the hell alone.  They want to live in Lord of the Flies?  Fine, just leave the rest of us out of their little slice of hell-on-earth…

Comment #42: MikeEss  on  06/09  at  11:31 AM

“And he was mostly mad that his tax money paid for ambulances for his neighbors, for drug dealers, and for homeless people, but he had never needed an ambulance so he didn’t think it was fair.”

Good lord.  Has no one ever told the man that life isn’t fair?  We (want to and try to) have systems where emergencies, at least, are communally just fucking taken care of already because it’s, in aggregate, way less unfair than a system that demands that you take care of it all by your fucking self while suffering an emergency.

“He was complaining that Obama’s proposed poverty rate doesn’t take into account food stamps, earned income tax credit, etc.”

Clearly, poverty-stricken people should have to count government programs to make their poverty less likely to kill them or keep them impoverished forever as income.  I mean, “being poor” is an occupation now, right?

Comment #43: preying mantis  on  06/09  at  11:31 AM

“I mean, “being poor” is an occupation now, right?”

...as is being unemployed and getting tiny unemployment checks, at least to wingnuts…

Comment #44: MikeEss  on  06/09  at  11:50 AM

I’m pretty sure MikeEss won this thread. :D

And he was mostly mad that his tax money paid for ambulances for his neighbors, for drug dealers, and for homeless people, but he had never needed an ambulance so he didn’t think it was fair.

Yes, because when I see a homeless person in the middle of a medical emergency, I definitely think it’s the rich, chronically healthy people who got the short end of the stick… :p

Comment #45: Bagelsan  on  06/09  at  11:56 AM

well, if you are going to have a desperate underclass to keep wage inflation down and productivity up then you might have starving kids here and there.. but really they’ll be ok, unless they’re not. 

Maybe they could have a little cake.

Comment #46: ewellone  on  06/09  at  12:22 PM

And of course, when I see an ambulance on a run, I naturally think, “Well, that’s all right for the poor folks, but *I* am never going to need an ambulance.  *I* am never going to be run over by some damn fool while I’m minding my own business at a traffic light, *I* am never going to have a heart attack while playing with my kids.”

Yup, those ambulances, they’re all for other people, you know, the ones I don’t care about.

Comment #47: Older  on  06/09  at  01:09 PM

Yup, those ambulances, they’re all for other people, you know, the ones I don’t care about

Except, of course, when the Republican hypothetical you needs one, in which case you will be complaining that government doesn’t work because they were too slow, and there weren’t enough paramedics catering to your needs, and the ones that did weren’t as respectful to your magnificence as they should be, and the interior was too bright for your weary eyes, and they hit a pothole onthe way to the hospital, and…

Comment #48: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  06/09  at  01:16 PM

Would it be wrong to suggest that anyone who complains about their taxes paying for other people’s ambulance rides should be hit really hard with a baseball bat so that they can get their money’s worth from public EMS funding? Yeah, I guess so. It’s like the WSJ’s “lucky duckies” who don’t pay federal income tax.


I wonder if there’s some other group one could compare to lesbians, for child-health outcomes when you know all the kids in question are wanted…

Comment #49: paul  on  06/09  at  01:55 PM

#22 alysia was the purpose of watching the video to dissect its stupidity, or was your instructor enamored of Stossel?

Comment #50: LCforevah  on  06/09  at  02:23 PM

Funny, paul, that’s exactly what I was thinking. “Oh, you don’t think you’ll never need an ambulance? Stay right there for a second.”

Is being a single parent better than the alternatives?

*ding ding ding*

Conservatives who used to jizz themselves about that article “Dan Quayle Was Right” conveniently ignored one of Dafoe’s findings - that children of single parents had lower rates of depression and self-esteem issues than children whose parents had remarried (i.e. who were living with a parent and stepparent). They get very angry if you point this out. Because it messes with their narrative that having a heterosexual married couple in the household is necessary and sufficient for a Good Childhood.

A single woman isn’t better off partnered with somebody who spends all her money, or abuses her children, or otherwise does nothing to alleviate the difficulties of single parenthood (and of course the same goes for single fathers).

Comment #51: mythago  on  06/09  at  02:29 PM

I mean, “being poor” is an occupation now, right?

I think this is closer to reality than you suggest. To these dickwads, “being poor” is an occupation, or at least a vocation. It is a Place In The Scheme Of Things, which scheme dictates that they, the real people, the main characters, have an underclass of ciphers to feel superior to. Their position in the world is threatened if they don’t have a faceless mass under them to prove they’re more important than someone else. Which is why wingnuts are so freaked out at anything that feels like it leans towards social equality.

Also and just as importantly, “the poor” are there for Real People to bestow munificence upon, making those Real People into Good People (tm). Kind of like how in so many comic book stories the girlfriend only exists so she can get chopped up and stuffed in a fridge, giving her boyfriend, the Real Person, a reason to become a superhero. “Being poor” is the occupation of being character development material for Real People (but only if you happen to be one of the deserving poor). Which is why wingnuts are so freaked out by anything that feels like it leans towards having basic needs fulfilled as a right instead of an act of grace.

Comment #52: kristin  on  06/09  at  03:15 PM

Child poverty won’t become a national crisis until the US Mens’ Olympic basketball team averages 6’1” due to malnutrition, asthma, rickets and polio.

Comment #53: ThresherK  on  06/09  at  03:19 PM

The real issue for conservatives is that white children are not living in poverty and I would bet that most conservatives are also OK with birth control and abortion for minoriteas as well.  The more conservatives talke the more it seems everything they do has a racist component

Comment #54: John Rove  on  06/09  at  08:34 PM

White children ARE living in poverty.  (raises hand as one who did and whose parents did) 

When you consider that whites are a substantial fraction of the population, the numbers overwhelm the percentages being skewed toward minorities.

Comment #55: Ms Kate  on  06/11  at  08:28 AM

the REAL Academy of Pediatrics Spokes person: data, facts, reality
Heritage Foundation flack: because TALKINGPOINTS SHUTUP!

Comment #56: Ms Kate  on  06/11  at  08:31 AM

He’ll be moving again soon and I’ll be glad to get rid of him.  He fantasizes about moving to a “tax-free” state, meaning a state that doesn’t have state-level income tax.

New Hampshire has no income tax or sales tax.

It has heinous property taxes instead.  It also has fees for pretty much anything you might want to do, like throw out garbage and drive on a big road, etc.  This works for them because it creates a relatively non-regressive tax structure - but it is very funny to folks who have lived there for a while when loser teabaggers from the flat lands move in and find out that their enormous property taxes don’t cover garbage pick up, and their water and sewer fees are high, and the permits for septic tanks and wells actually cost what it costs the state to send someone out and then some!

Comment #57: Ms Kate  on  06/11  at  08:38 AM

This is just a footnote, but one of my many jobs was working as an aide in an elementary school, and in California those aides—the only ones who give one-on-one assistance to kids who are otherwise un-listened to, un-acknowledged, and un-shown-patiently-how-to-do-long-division—those aide jobs have all been cut. So the kids who most need a personal helping hand are left more on their own at school, too.

Comment #58: Shelley  on  06/11  at  02:29 PM

Ms. Kate - you mean, just like they say they want, it’s a society where you pay for what you use and do rather than having The Government take care of everything out of your tax dollars?

*snerk*

Comment #59: mythago  on  06/11  at  06:31 PM

Dickens called and said he wants you to stop stealing his “Oliver Twist” bit.

Wingnuts think Dickens’ Christmas Carol is a tragedy. The only way to give it a happy ending is to run it backwards, so that Scrooge gets to keep all his hard-earned dough, except for the pittance he pays the crippled kid’s dad.

Comment #60: Hector B.  on  06/13  at  10:52 PM
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