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Kristol Was Checking His Blackberry In Spirit

So, on the eve of what’s predicted to be a potential epidemic of swine flu, increasing unemployment, rising numbers of uninsured, underinsured and medical bankruptcies, Bill Kristol has pissy-pants over the fact that Obama didn’t call Congress together to go to war

So President Obama invited himself into our living rooms tonight…why? Not to address questions of war and peace—even though we are fighting two wars overseas, and even though an avowed enemy and terror sponsor is rushing towards nuclear weapons. Not to address the economy—even though unemployment continues to rise, the deficit is at an all-time high, and we face a truly worrisome debt burden in the years ahead. And not to rally the nation in the face of some other crisis.

But isn’t health care a crisis? No.

Indeed, the president acknowledged it isn’t: “But we did not come here just to clean up crises. We came to build a future. So tonight, I return to speak to all of you about an issue that is central to that future—and that is the issue of health care.” In other words, health care—unlike, say, the financial system a few months ago—is not in a state of crisis.

Besides the fact that Bill Kristol cannot read, and cannot understand the simple idea that we don’t just mop things up but build systems to ensure the problem doesn’t happen again, it strikes me as…let’s say ironic that a man who vehemently supported a war of choice in a sovereign nation when we were already fighting another war thinks he has room to lecture other people on what is and isn’t a crisis.  The population of Iraq is around 28,000,000.  The population of uninsured and underinsured Americans is at least twice that.  The idea that those Americans may die early and in destitution from a wholly preventable phenomenon that almost every other major industrialized country on Earth dealt with decades ago isn’t a crisis, but failing to find Saddam Hussein eating Doritos in a hole could have very well killed all of your babies twice over.

It’s truly telling what Republicans think constitutes a crisis and what they think doesn’t.  It’s a wholly selfish paradigm, which has less to do with actual problems than what they wake up at night sweating over - thus explaining why gay sex and being nuked seem to be the recurring number one and two problems in the world. 

In related news, there’s a new round of vapors befalling conservative bloggers because someone moaned loudly when Bush lied about Social Security.  These two things are equivalent, because they fucking are, and really, Code Pink!  Thus, guns at rallies.  For all the talk of how 2010 may be a Republican year, it’s going to be harder when at least 75% of Republican events will result in the candidates awkwardly not-quite-denying that our Black Muslim President’s Czars keep abducting people and anally probing them for homosexual research, and the entire Republican dialogue, from Kristol down to the nutjob with the “Obama Should Pick Watermelons, Not My Doctor” sign is based in transparently false, otherwise inscrutable code words about birth certificates, abortion and granny-killing. 

 

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Posted by Jesse Taylor on 11:14 AM • (30) Comments

He doesn’t even consider that the fact that children grow up with ailments that prevent them from eventually enlisting in the armed services has historically been an issue for the military.

That’s why we have the school lunch program.  It should be Yet Another Reason we have have cradle to grave health care.

Comment #1: Ms Kate  on  09/10  at  11:38 AM

When the US occupation leadership drafted/wrote the new Iraqi constitution in 2005 they included a single-payer health system (Article 31) in it…The creeps who weren’t into nation building gave the Iraqis a SINGLE-PAYER health system.  It’s good enough for Iraq but not for us domestically. WTF!  (Just Google “Iraqi constitution health care” .)

Comment #2: PurpleGirl  on  09/10  at  11:46 AM

When 3,000 people die in a terrorist act, it’s a crisis, and we must move heaven and earth and spend hundreds of billions in wars to prevent it from ever happening again.  When 10,000-20,000 people (estimated) die privately every year in a slow trickle because of our shittastic healthcare system, it’s just not that important.  What’s more likely to kill me?  My money’s on the healthcare system.  Republicans are all about defending our nation when that defense consists of going overseas and blowing shit up.  Yet defending the American people from the real threats that endanger them?  Well that’s just socialist.

Comment #3: rebelliousjezebel  on  09/10  at  12:03 PM

Wait—am I reading that right? Did Kristol actually use a quote from Obama’s speech that directly contradicted what Kristol says a sentence before and after the quotation? I mean, is he so tired of waiting for others to prove he’s an imbecile that he’s actually including the refutation of his points in his statements?

Comment #4: No One of Consequence  on  09/10  at  12:07 PM

I wanted to reach through my tv and strangle someone everytime one of the news anchors said something like “Usually, the president only calls congress together for something important!”  Gah, healthcare reform is important and its circling the drain.

Comment #5: carovee  on  09/10  at  12:18 PM

But isn’t health care a crisis? No.

Hey, fuck it.  I’ve got mine Jack.  Obama even said so!

Ergo, QED, Certius Parabus, Magnum Opus, Reducto Ad Abusurdum, LIAR!
I rest my case.

Comment #6: Zifnab  on  09/10  at  12:18 PM

“But isn’t health care a crisis? No.”

What a fucking asshole.

Comment #7: Mark  on  09/10  at  12:44 PM

I suppose you saw that Michael Gerson made the same argument in the Post yesterday, before the speech? I wonder how much Aetna is paying them?

Comment #8: F. McGee  on  09/10  at  12:44 PM

Did Kristol actually use a quote from Obama’s speech that directly contradicted what Kristol says a sentence before and after the quotation?

No, he didn’t. What he did was “prove” that Obama “acknowledged” a distinction between “cleaning up crises” and “speak[ing] to all of you about ... the issue of health care.” Which requires a different kind of imbecile - a distinctly meaner, smaller, dumber one.

Comment #9: RickMassimo  on  09/10  at  12:58 PM

When 3,000 people die in a terrorist act, it’s a crisis, and we must move heaven and earth and spend hundreds of billions in wars to prevent it from ever happening again.  When 10,000-20,000 people (estimated) die privately every year in a slow trickle because of our shittastic healthcare system, it’s just not that important.

But, Jez, those 3,000 were rich fiancnial types (aka parasites), mostly.  And the 10-20K, well that’d be poor and POC, so to Kristol, no crisis.  Yep, he passes the fuckwad test.

Comment #10: phylosopher  on  09/10  at  01:21 PM

“But isn’t health care a crisis? No.”

Well, you no, not unless you’re sick.  Or might get sick.  Or love someone who might get sick.

Apart from that, he has a perfectly valid point, don’t you think?

Comment #11: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  09/10  at  02:16 PM

I’m waiting for the Republicans to start showing up with tinfoil hats and claiming that Obama is an alien from Outer Space.

Comment #12: Vail  on  09/10  at  02:27 PM

When 3,000 people die in a terrorist act, it’s a crisis, and we must move heaven and earth and spend hundreds of billions in wars that will do nothing to prevent it from ever happening again.

FTFY.

We can drop hundreds of billions on two wars that have accomplished nothing but to completely destabilize the areas where they are fought and kill far too many people, just to prove that our national dick is bigger.  But helping people get health care?  Suddenly, we’re in too much debt and can’t afford it!  And we certainly can’t help people access health care, because then the private insurance companies might not be able to put people over a barrel and that would mean they might not make quite so much money to keep people from getting care!

I’m going to go drink my coffee and think about happier things, like root canals.  Oh wait, I don’t have dental insurance.

Comment #13: snowmentality  on  09/10  at  02:37 PM

those 3,000 were rich fiancnial types (aka parasites), mostly.

At any financial company, most of the employees are support staff.

Comment #14: keshmeshi  on  09/10  at  03:19 PM

When 3,000 people die in a terrorist act, it’s a crisis, and we must move heaven and earth and spend hundreds of billions in wars to prevent it from ever happening again.  When 10,000-20,000 people (estimated) die privately every year in a slow trickle because of our shittastic healthcare system, it’s just not that important.

But, Jez, those 3,000 were rich fiancnial types (aka parasites), mostly.  And the 10-20K, well that’d be poor and POC, so to Kristol, no crisis.  Yep, he passes the fuckwad test.

Easy there.

I think that rebelliousjezebel’s statement stands well enough on it’s own without us needing to sound like insensitive assholes to try to emphasize it.  Yes, I’m disgusted by the extent to which the Reichwing took a massive national tragedy and used it as an excuse to dismantle our civil liberties, start illegal wars, expend thousands and thousands of lives, and waste hundreds of billions of dollars on their so-called “War on Terror”.

That said, 9/11 was still a massive tragedy, and I don’t think it makes us look like anything but a bunch of assholes when we even slightly suggest that any of the people who died that day “deserved” it, regardless of their station in life.  The fact is that while, yes, certainly a lot of financial aristocrats were killed on Spetember 11, 2001, a hell of lot more of the people who were killed that day were NOT rich fatcat Republicans.  Even if they worked for financial services companies.  I don’t lump in the low-paid receptionist or customer service person at a financial services company with the CEO of that company, because they are often getting by day-to-day on a pretty meager paycheck just like many of us here.  I’ve worked for big evil corporations at times in my life because, well… I gotta eat, and that’s what was available.  Not all of us have the luxury to refuse work at companies we dislike.  I hate the company Wal-Mart, but I’m not about to demonize the 95% of Wal-Mart employees who are barely scraping by in life.

So yes, when you you subtly imply that it’s not tragic that 9/11 wasn’t tragic because a few millionaire CEOs of a financial services companies died, you are also indirectly implying that it’s perfectly OK that the poor African-American waiter at Windows on the World or the 340+ courageous firemen died that day as well, because well… collateral damage.

No.

9/11 was an awful, awful thing, and 3,000 Americans dying is a huge tragedy.  Period.  The 18,000+ Americans who die every year because of a lack of healthcare coverage is also a massive tragedy.  Hell, I agree it’s an even bigger tragedy, in terms of scale.  But one tragedy need not negate the reality that the other thing is also very much a tragedy.  Pissing contests about which deaths are more tragic get us nowhere.  Innocent people dying is tragic, whether it is the 3,000 people who were just minding their business 8 years ago tomorrow, the 18,000 people per year who die because they can’t afford healthcare, or the small group of women who were targetted in the gym by the misgynist pig gunman.  They are all tragic deaths.  Period.

The Republicans already besmirch the memory of the 9/11 victims (yes, that’s what they were, VICTIMS) by starting illegal wars and trampling on the Constitution.  We don’t need to further besmirch their memories by suggesting that their deaths were not tragic, unless we want to align ourselves with scumbags like Ann Coulter who has publicly mocked 9/11 widows.

In the process of pointing out what dickheads Republicans are, let’s not ourselves start acting like dickheads.  Enough with the suggestions that 9/11 wasn’t really a tragedy, because God forbid someone who posts here who lost someone that day see such an insensitive assholish comment.

Comment #15: DTG in STL  on  09/10  at  03:20 PM

Come on.  Killing people is manly stuff and worth all sorts of sacrafice, including going to war with the ill-equiped army of fungible soldiers we have, to win.

Health care is taking care of people.  That’s girly stuff, and they should only get funded by wheedling the menfolk for pennies and after getting fucked up the ass in exchange. 

You know who takes care of the sick?  MOM.  And she does it with a smile and doesn’t ask to be paid for it.  Real men man up and don’t admit they ever get sick. 

The fact that a bunch of men get filthy rich b/c they figured out how to monetize Mom’s work is just macho and right.  We can’t have the government stepping in and playing mom—taking away toys from the boys and taking care of the sick!

That’s not macho.  And America is not a girly country!  We are a manly man country.  A SUPERPOWER, even, that kicks ass and takes names.

Comment #16: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  09/10  at  03:23 PM

Not to address the economy

Um, sure Bill, because bankruptcies, de facto monopolies, enormous barriers to entrepreneurship, out of control cost increases in a time of stagnant or receding wages, potential pandemics, lost productivity due to illness, and thousands of people dying have nothing to do with our economy and its problems.  Nope, not a bit.  Dipshit.

Comment #17: libdevil  on  09/10  at  03:25 PM

“But isn’t health care a crisis? No.”

If our country was a car, and healthcare warning was the “oil” light, that light would have been blazing red for years now.

It isn’t going to get any redder, Kristol.

Comment #18: Kwillow  on  09/10  at  04:19 PM

So going to war because Saddam’s Balsawood Drones of Death are going to drop WMDs on us as soon as he (a) has WMDs to drop and (b) figures out how to get foot-long balsawood drones to fly 6,000 miles to drop their bombs is TOTALLY URGENT!!1!1! but fixing the problems with our healthcare system that lead to the early deaths of 10,000-20,000 Americans every year is, eh, no big hurry.

Comment #19: Mnemosyne  on  09/10  at  04:19 PM

You know who takes care of the sick?  MOM.  And she does it with a smile and doesn’t ask to be paid for it.  Real men man up and don’t admit they ever get sick.

Indeed - that’s why nurses are women, and the doctors who do the really useful work are men.

Comment #20: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  09/10  at  04:27 PM

If our country was a car, and healthcare warning was the “oil” light, that light would have been blazing red for years now.

It isn’t going to get any redder, Kristol.

Yeah, but apparently it isn’t a CRISIS until the engine seizes up and you’re left on the side of the road in the middle of the night. Then you can do manly stuff like talk to the tow-truck drivers about how this never happened with the old Charger with the 318 you used to have.

Next day you can be even more manly and deal with the crisis of having no car by buying a sports car.

Comment #21: RickMassimo  on  09/10  at  04:39 PM

“But isn’t health care a crisis? No.”

Obviously, guys, the only ‘crisis’ in health care is that you aren’t paying your insurance company enough money, and that sometimes they can’t avoid paying out valid claims.

The solution, of course, is to charge more while covering less.  And forcing everyone to buy your product.
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Comment #22: stogoe  on  09/10  at  04:42 PM

The creeps who weren’t into nation building gave the Iraqis a SINGLE-PAYER health system.  It’s good enough for Iraq but not for us domestically. WTF!

No Blue Cross/Blue Shield or UnitedHealth subsidary in Iraq.  And no money, either.

Comment #23: liberalrob  on  09/10  at  04:43 PM

No Blue Cross/Blue Shield or UnitedHealth subsidary in Iraq.  And no money, either.

Either that, or the Heritage Foundation interns writing the new constitution suggested an American-style system and the Iraqis said, “What do you think we are, savages?”

Comment #24: Mnemosyne  on  09/10  at  05:27 PM

PiaToR (20):

Indeed - that’s why nurses are women, and the doctors who do the really useful work are men.

The Times had an op-ed yesterday in which Anna Deavere Smith talked to various people about healthcare. She found a lot of people who were really, really stupid, including one who said something like “I went to the hospital and all these people were ahead off me who aren’t even white, just because they’re sicker than I was.” I bring it up because he noted the nurse was male, and all but said the proble was the gay-liberal-ization of the hospitals.

Comment #25: Hershele Ostropoler  on  09/10  at  05:34 PM

I bring it up because he noted the nurse was male, and all but said the proble was the gay-liberal-ization of the hospitals.

Mmm.  I’ve run into people who assume that I’m gay because I’m a librarian.

Mentioning that Casanova was a librarian produces some wierd reactions.  i don’t go into details for fear of spoiling the effect.

Comment #26: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  09/10  at  06:29 PM

Health care isn’t a crisis, because the country isn’t quite grinding to a halt from people unable to get care or pay for it when they get it. But Social Security, which a bunch of hacks using the most pessimistic projections that won’t be laughed out of the room have argued won’t be able to pay in full sometime in the 2040s unless we institute some minor adjustments soon, now that’s a crisis, and the only way out of it is to cut benefits Right Now. Uh huh.

Piator: if you read whichever plato it is, he argues that men who spend “too much” time doing women are the real nelly-boys, and that men who stick it to/in other men are the only real males. So Casanova as a librarian (fsvo “librarian”) wouldn’t surprise a true misogynist he-man.

Comment #27: paul  on  09/10  at  10:15 PM

Wasn’t Casanova bi? Not that our modern conception of “bi” existed as such during hiss lifetime.

Comment #28: Hershele Ostropoler  on  09/10  at  11:28 PM

Piator: if you read whichever plato it is, he argues that men who spend “too much” time doing women are the real nelly-boys, and that men who stick it to/in other men are the only real males. So Casanova as a librarian (fsvo “librarian”) wouldn’t surprise a true misogynist he-man.

You’ll pardon me if I don’t take lessons in romance from a guy who advocated heterosexual sex only on an annual basis, run by a lottery, and managed by a judge.

I’ve never had any luck in lotteries.  I’d probably wind up with Megan McArdle, and I am sure as hell not taking one for the team by giving her three whole minutes of business time.

Comment #29: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  09/11  at  01:17 AM

Well you wouldn’t, but wingnuts probably would. Especially because they’re all sure that if women were allocated by lottery, they’d win the hot ones.

Comment #30: paul  on  09/11  at  10:25 AM
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