The word she means by ‘elitist’ starts with an ‘n’, ends with an ‘r’ and is unpublishable in polite company.

Anyone who uses the word “elitist” incorrectly should be beaten repeatedly with a dictionary. Dammit, this woman lives in a fucking mansion in Britain because she’s married to minor British royalty! How did she not die of irony poisoning while giving this interview?

And that’s the Rothschilds, folks.

Indeed. If your family features in international finance conspiracy theories, then yes, you’re an elitist.

She looks like my cousin.  I hate my cousin.

The first time (during the primary) is comedy, the second time it’s apparently high comedy. I even mention <strike>iocaine powder</strike> irony poisoning.

Speaking of rich bitches, check out the profile of Cindy McCain in this week’s New Yorker. Good God Almightly. The woman regularly refers to herself as an only child despite having two half-sisters. The one on her father’s side received $10,000 from her father’s estate, with Cindy receiving the rest (about $100 million). That half-sister’s daughter had had a credit card paid for by her grandfather (Cindy’s father), which was cut off a few days after the man’s death.

Family values. Straight talk. You can just call anything by any name, and it appears people will believe it.

“The problem, Jeeves,” she said to her butler, “is that I don’t trust Senator Obama and I can’t figure out why!”

“If I may be so bold, M’Lady?” replied Jeeves.  “I believe I may be able to explain M’Lady’s hesitation.”

“Presumptuous of you, Jeeves.  However, you may speak.”

“M’Lady is most generous.  Perhaps the reason for your feeling of unease is the gentleman’s promise to raise taxes only on the very wealthy and reverse in some very small measure the disparities which arose during the presidency of Mister George W. Bush.”

“Why should that trouble me, Jeeves? Politicians say things like that all the time.  I should know; I’ve owned a great many over a great many years.”

“Yes, M’Lady, and I do readily concede M’Ladyship’s insight in noting that.  However, I fear that your unease may arise not from the promise, but from an internal but as yet unrealized belief that he might actually do what he promises.”

(Very long silence.)

“My god, Jeeves.  I think you may actually have a point. I’m feeling, oh, what’s that word?  Synonym for worried for my future?”

“`Threatened’, M’Lady?  Or perhaps `insecure’?”

“No, no.  The one meaning ‘worried that I might actually have to pay a smidgen more of my wealth and frightened about that despite the fact that I will remain at the top of the heap and fabulously wealthy and favoured by the system’?”

“Ah.  The word for which M’Lady searches is `selfish’.”

“No, Jeeves, it’s not.  `Selfish’ is what little people are.  People such as myself are more correctly described as `entitled’.  However, `entitled’ can imply passivity and I am not a passive person.  I seek the word which means, `entitled andand determined to do anything to thwart anybody who does not share this view’.”

“Ah.  M’Lady makes it brilliantly clear.  That being the case, le mot juste is `Republican’. “

“That’s it!  I’m one of those. “

“I was never in any doubt, M’Lady.  May I serve you some more wine to celebrate this particular light on this particular road to Damascus?”

“You may.”

This certainly smacks of white privilege at it’s worst.  Lynn deRothschild calling Obama elitist sounds like a SNL routine.  I can’t say for certain, of course, but it seems most likely to me that she is just an old fashioned upper crust racist who thinks of people of color as “the servant class.”  She is among the people who are actually likely to benefit from the election of McCain though, so a lot of it is probably just simple greed.

It seems that the word ‘elitist’ has become code for ‘someone smarter than I am who has actual ideas.’ Hard to believe that Americans have become so stupid that Obama, raised by a single mom, is an elitist while a man raised in privledge with a rich second wife is now a ‘man of the people’

It’s newspeak Neil.

And why would she care about any woman (or man, for that matter) in this country? She can just shell out a few inconsequential bucks and go to wherever she needs to go to get whatever she wants.

Abortion illegal in U.S.—no problem, go to Britain or some other country where it’s still legal. Need some stem cell-related research illegal in the U.S.—no problem, go to South Korea or Japan or China or some other country where, for a price, they’ll do whatever you want with those stem cells.

But Obama’s too “elitist.” Uncle Karl must be proud of her!

She is an excellent example of the privileged expat. She’s a perfect aristocrat. Note she mentions nothing about Obama’s policies or what he might do as president. Nope, it’s all personal. Maybe it’s not uppitiness (though I don’t discount that), but Barack’s insufficient ass kissing towards her.
She might worry slightly about the effect on her own pocketbook, but not about the state of freedom and equality in America. After all she could just stay full time in Britain if the U.S. economy continues to slide down the tubes.
Now someone please remind me why this pompous ass is getting even a second of airtime.

Speaking of elitism: Palin’s $2500 Valentino jacket is part of what her handlers don’t want the public to know about

Pardon my french, but why the le fuck is she even on the news? Why does her opinion even matter? Are there people out there who know her and pay attention to her? She keeps popping up on the TV and in the news as though her opinion is relevant. Did she do something newsworthy in the past to justify that kind of exposure?

This of course is tangential to the bigger issue, which is that the opinions of a peripheral member of British Royalty on who is and who is not elite are treated seriously, instead of the Porphyriatic ramblings they are.

Dear Madam Rothschild:

I do not think ‘elite’ means what you think it means.

Pardon my french, but why the le fuck is she even on the news? Why does her opinion even matter? Are there people out there who know her and pay attention to her? She keeps popping up on the TV and in the news as though her opinion is relevant. Did she do something newsworthy in the past to justify that kind of exposure?

Thank you. After shaking my head at the blatant racism of Her Ladyship’s Remarks, I next tried to envision Obama walking down the hallway this morning looking ashen, and when someone asked him why, replying, “Lady Lynn de Rothschild Forester doesn’t like me.”

Nope. Can’t do it.

“I feel like he is an elitist.”

Takes one to know one? (Sorry, couldn’t resist.)

A nice short ad might be this:

A montage of the Lady at various rich, charity events, looking fabulously wealthy, with a voiceover saying that she (giving her full names, including middle name(s), and title) says that “she doesn’t like Barack Obama”.  Cut to acted, realistic scenes from the Revolutionary War, heavy on the patriotic triggers.  Voice over says something like, “real Americans don’t care what British aristocrats think, then or now.”

Or a fake GOP ad, with the same Lady’s images and this: “Lady [etc] supports John McCain.  Are you listening, peasant?”  (Lower voice:  This ad and John McCain paid for by Wealthy Rich Foreigners for McCain.”

The Dems have been WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too slow on attacking McCain’s wealth and entitlement issues and all the issues brought in their train.  Americans may not have a fair society but vast, GOP sections of the populace think that they do, and are very invested in that.  Attacks on people who got all their money and place and advancement by being born to it or marrying it do have the potential to create some angry crossovers.

I just have to jump in here - I’ve worked with Lynn Forester before, and even though she and I will be voting differently in November and it saddens me to see her support McCain.  I think it’s unfair for people here to assume that she is a “racist.”  Her dislike for Obama is mostly personal, I think.  She worked her heart out for Hillary (how many people in Iowa realized who this woman was when she knocked on their doors in January?), was absolutely crestfallen when she lost and certainly feels like Barack Obama hasn’t done nearly enough (anything?) to reach out Hillary and her most fervent supporters.  And, if I look at it honestly, I have trouble faulting her for feeling this way - Obama really hasn’t done much reaching out, at least not as far as I can tell.  And one thing I don’t really think trickles out into the blogs (at least the ones I’m familiar with) is just how much resentment there is toward/inside the DNC over how the primaries went down.  Forester - and a lot of other long-time, big dollar, invested Democrats - really did see a calculated effort to destroy Hillary’s candidacy from within the party.  I’m not passing judgment on how right any of them are, but that’s where she’s coming from.

And, based only on my experiences with them, you’re more likely to find a rude, elitist attitude among nouveau riche asshats than among those whose wealth was inherited.  Elitism is a function of considering oneself better than others financially and intellectually - not how much money is in your accounts or where you went to school.  Lynn might have seemingly limitless supplies of riches, but you really wouldn’t know it to be around her.  An actual elitist never lets you forget how much more of everything they have and you don’t. 

And do I think Obama’s an elitist?  No, probably not, but he’s made enough mistakes to give people that impression.

Oh dear, fellow commenters, you are mistaken.  Sir Evelyn Robert Adrian de Rothschild, as a knight, is a member of the *gentry* or perhaps the minor aristocracy, certainly not royalty.  Please, do not be misled by his “great wealth” or his youth of “travelling, socialising, driving exotic sports cars, enjoying thoroughbred horse racing and playing polo”.  (Wikipedia)

Not to be an asshole but…

Sorry.  You just were.  An asshole.

how many people in Iowa realized who this woman was when she knocked on their doors in January?

And that would be, what exactly?  One of their betters?  A rich person who, as jim h in indiana points out above, won’t personally suffer the consequences if McCain wins?

Why should anyone in Iowa give two shits about who she is?  She’s rich.  BFD.  She’s also, evidently, a small-minded, juvenile moron. 

[Lady de Rothschild] was absolutely crestfallen when she lost and certainly feels like Barack Obama hasn’t done nearly enough (anything?) to reach out Hillary and her most fervent supporters

Well, excuse me for saying that at this point that’s just too boo-fucking-hoo bad.  You were part of a primary campaign.  It lost.  Get over it.  The candidate you were supporting certainly seems to have.

When I see that picture of her, I suddenly imagine Rula Lenska showing her around London…

And, based only on my experiences with them, you’re more likely to find a rude, elitist attitude among nouveau riche asshats than among those whose wealth was inherited.  Elitism is a function of considering oneself better than others financially and intellectually - not how much money is in your accounts or where you went to school.  Lynn might have seemingly limitless supplies of riches, but you really wouldn’t know it to be around her.  An actual elitist never lets you forget how much more of everything they have and you don’t.

Ah, a touching defense of the aristocracy.  “But they’re all such nice people, so they can’t possibly be racist!”

I also love how you managed to work in that the Obamas are crude nouveau riches while Lady de Rothschild is just a woman of the people who really understands everyday life for ordinary Americans.

I don’t doubt that plenty of wealthy Hillary supporters are pissed off that she didn’t get the nomination—their lifeline to the next president was cut off.  Of course they’re going to throw their support behind the other guy in the hopes that he’ll continue to support the deregulation that helped make them rich.

“not to be an asshole”

Uh, I call bullshit. Not on your story, I could care less, but on the logic of it.  If Lady Lynn de Rothschild supported hillary it was purely personal, because by doing so, and in doing so, she assured herself of mattering to a social set that includes the clintons and the presidency. In other words, her original support was purely self interested. Now she is understandably depressed and angry because she will no longer be a coveted, cossetted, main supporter. When and if Obama gets into the white house she won’t be a “friend of Obama’s” from the get go and she won’t have any social or political pull with him. So sad, too bad.  But what does that have to do with who Obama is, or his elitism, or his populism? NOt a thing. Its all about lady lynn and what she wanted from her political activity. Since what she wanted was a personal friend in the white house and what we want is an actual…ah…what’s the word? democratic leader who will do things for the country as a whole and not for lady lynn why the fuck should we care if she is dissapointed? What business is it of ours—and of hers—what she personally thinks of Obama?  I just don’t care, any more than I care if she is nice to cats, or kicks her grandmother, or makes you personally feel good. I’m voting for a President, not a best friend. And if lynn de rothschild and “not to be an asshole but…” think that they were voting for someone who made them feel good about themselves they were wasting all our time. Going door to door in Iowa pretending that Hillary was going to be best friends and drink shots with everyone on the planet was a lie.  She wasn’t. Lynn may have thought well of her policies—I don’t know—but her public repudiation of clinton’s policies and clinton’s support of Obama indicate that she was just in this for herself.  Whether Obama is an elitist or not isn’t even in question—just like whether lynn de forester is an elitist or not isn’t in question.  The facts of the case are this: a hugely wealthy and egocentric woman with money to burn thought she’d support one candidate so she could be even closer to power and high society than she is.  Call it trophy campaigning for a trophy president. She didn’t get her choice of candidates and she is so angry that she won’t be important to the campaign any more that she throws over whatever principles she claims to have supported just to stick a shiv in the actual candidate.  That’s the shorter lynn de rothschild story. Can “not to be an asshole” explain why the rest of us should care? Or, can you explain why former hillary supporters, adult women, american citizens and democrats shouldn’t be absolutely enraged that lynn de rothschild thinks her childish opinions of our candidate should matter a rat’s fart?

aimai

aimai

“Not to be an asshole, but ...”

Good to see that the Lady’s staff are on the case about this!  (See what happens when you hire good people??)  Welcome to Pandagon!

BTW, your definition of elitism including the limitations on the word are spurious.  In essence, it boils down to “fabulously wealthy jet setter isn’t elitist! but community organizer made good is”.

What mistakes has he made, exactly,  to make people think that he’s an elitist?  Actually graduated from Harvard?  Actually not getting fired from his job?  Not wrestling with the Capitol Police like Cynthia McKinney?  Not marrying an heiress?  Not using connections to avoid being washed out of the service for incompetence?  Do tell!  I am keen to hear?

By the way, given that you write like an intelligent person, you do realize of course that this…

and certainly feels like Barack Obama hasn’t done nearly enough (anything?) to reach out Hillary and her most fervent supporters.  And, if I look at it honestly, I have trouble faulting her for feeling this way - Obama really hasn’t done much reaching out, at least not as far as I can tell.

... can be easily interpreted as “We Are Important And Obama Hasn’t Adequately Kissed Our Asses, and this…

And one thing I don’t really think trickles out into the blogs (at least the ones I’m familiar with) is just how much resentment there is toward/inside the DNC over how the primaries went down.

...reads like, “resentment over the fact that we lost, dammit!  we were supposed to win!  I’m quite sure that you’re correct about the resentment.  I’ve seen it myself in campaigns were established figures backed by establishment power brokers were tripped up by democracy actually working in that the great unwashed actually voted for somebody other than The Chosen One. There was resentment at that. 

Snark aside I have no doubt that people like you have had nothing but good experiences with Lady de Rothschild.  I also have no doubt that you never crossed her, or thwarted her.  Hyperwealthy establishment figures are not known for taking that sort of thing well.  Obama had the never to win over her chosen candidate, and she is lashing back, in public, against the party that she supported for years.  I’d be hard pressed to come up with a better colloquial definition of “elitist” than “rich person publicly angry that she didn’t get what she wanted, and man are you going to hear about it!”.

An actual elitist never lets you forget how much more of everything they have and you don’t.

That’s just as flawed a definition as the GOP has been using, only in the opposite direction. “Let them eat cake” is elitism. “Watch me while I eat this cake, peon” is just being an asshole.

Elitism isn’t just having a bunch of money or engaging in dickishly self-conscious ostentatiousness. It’s privilege, as in the inability to see that your personal lifestyle is not shared by everyone else on the planet.

Why is it that I only make typos (two, two! missed closings of a quotation!) when I don’t preview?

The facts of the case are this: a hugely wealthy and egocentric woman with money to burn thought she’d support one candidate so she could be even closer to power and high society than she is.

Exactly.  Now she’s throwing her support to McCain in the hopes of getting that access from him instead.

Many people latch themselves on to the “establishment” candidate because they want to be on the winning side. And the establishment candidate almost invariably wins. Those lining up behind the insurgent want to win, but know that winning is unlikely. As a consequence, insurgent supporters are more easily able to dust themselves off and go support the establishment candidate after a primary is over. On the other hand, the establishment candidate’s supporters don’t know what it’s like to lose and have trouble getting over it.

I was crestfallen when Howard Dean, who I donated to and worked for, lost to John Kerry, who I found kinda obnoxious.  Which is why I sacrificed every one of my political values and voted for George W. Bush, just to show’em.

Wait, no I didn’t.

I just went back and re-read the post from “Not to be an asshole, but…”.  Is it just me or could it have been written thus:

“Aye, ye may be angry, but I’m not keen on yer talkin’ about Her Leddyship that way!  She’s a good sort an’ I think yer grousin’ about her running o’er yer feet with ‘er polo pony isn’t on!  She’s right quality and I’m sure she ‘ad her reasins fer it!  Now be off w’ye.”

The word “elitist” has ceased to have any meaning at all.

A billionaire New Yorker from a banking family calling someone else elitist? This is like a parody.

What Tyro said.

I’d only add that establishment figures not only are unused to losing, most of them deeply believe that they shouldn’t be permitted to lose and get pissed when it actually happens.  Lady Manynames is just a particularly stellar example.  She wanted something.  She felt herself entitled to it.  She didn’t get it.  She is annoyed and lashing out.

Oh, those nouveau elitists who never let people forget they are wealthier and better educated. I much prefer the old guard whose noblesse oblige requires them to keep a folksy low profile among the peons. They’re the real elite.

Oh, and Ms. Rothschild? You can feel like a pampered idiot. But if you are not spitting on the graves of everyone who ever tried to educate you, you feel that someone is an elitist. (Or perhaps “as if”.)

Mnemosyne: I used the term “nouveau riche” because I considered it expedient, not to be fancy - and I certainly didn’t use it to refer to Michelle & Barack.  I don’t know the Obamas, but from what I can see, they seem like a lovely family and I’m happy to vote for him as his policy views are most in line with my own.  And I’m not saying that “Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild” is a “woman of the people,” my whole point is that she’s not the racist cunt that knee-jerk reactors seemed to think she was. 

Pesto:  I think that by using the name “not to be an asshole, but,” it was pretty plain that what I was typing was going to sound like it was coming from an asshole.  But thanks for pointing it out anyway!  I referenced her gotv work in Iowa precisely because the people in Iowa had no idea who she was.  She didn’t knock on doors and say “Hello, rubes, I have one of the most notorious surnames around, and I could buy and sell your state if I wanted, so bow down and be impressed that I’m at your house.”  The point isn’t that an incredibly wealthy and well-connected woman “lowered herself” to door-to-door campaigning, as you seem to suggest, the point is that people here were saying that she’s an elitist.  To me, an elitist never lets you forget just how special they are when they deign to speak with you.

And so that it is perfectly clear:  I am voting for Obama.  I am giving him money.  I am traveling out of state to do GOTV work in a swing state.  I am NOT your enemy.  All I am is somebody who wanted people to stop the unnecessarily unkind words being thrown about with respect to a woman that I admire and respect.  Is she perfect?  No, of course not, who is?  And, to repeat what I said in my last post: it saddens me to see her support McCain.  But not everyone has to agree with you on everything, and I’m not about to condemn someone as beyond redemption because they take a political position I find to be absolutely, unequivocably unacceptable.

Man….

If “not to be an asshole, but…” continues on this courteous and lucid path then it is going to be awfully hard to keep gleefully jumping on his toes.  I disagree with his take on it (I still think he is giving waaaaaaaaaaaay too much credit to deR where credit is not due, for the reasons detailed by many above) but at least he’s being a complete Not An Asshole about it.

my whole point is that she’s not the racist cunt that knee-jerk reactors seemed to think she was.

For the record, you’re the only one here who has called de Rothschild a cunt.

To me, an elitist never lets you forget just how special they are when they deign to speak with you.

Really?  So if someone can hide the fact that she’s a fantastically wealthy, privileged aristocrat who’s used her wealth to achieve a position of influence in the Democratic Party in a 45-second voter ID rap, she’s by definition not an elitist?  Not to be an asshole, but that’s idiotic.

And so that it is perfectly clear:  I am voting for Obama.  I am giving him money.  I am traveling out of state to do GOTV work in a swing state.  I am NOT your enemy.

Well, by your standard, nobody is my (political) enemy!  Prominent member of the Democratic Party who publicly comes out in favor of McCain by repeating Rovian talking-point attacks on the Dem candidate?  No problem!  You give a good rap at the door!  And you’re nice!

Could Lady de Rothschild do anythingto lose your respect, or make you stop admiring her?  If so, what?

Ms. Kate:

[Affectionate teasing alert!]

Where, exactly, does a jet-setting social climber power fucker who doesn’t even live here find the gaul to call anybody an elitist?

By looking here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asterix

BBBBwwwaaaahahahahaha….  She said that with a straight face? 

People like that make me love the Bolsheviks and their treatment of the Czar and family more and more.

The French Revolution of 1789 had the right idea, they just didn’t go far enough.

Seeker is probably right here - I’m probably giving this woman more credit than is due, and that’s almost certainly because I’ve worked with her side-by-side in the past.  I think it’s probably a very instinctual thing to be more willing to forgive trespasses for people you know to be otherwise very clearheaded and pleasant than for someone you have no personal connection to.

And, dear Pesto, I appreciate your sincerity in giving me a hard time, I really do, but I’m clearly not hanging my “LLFdeR isn’t an elitist” argument on one example of her ability to come across as “just another woman,” but simply trying to buttress my point by including a tangible example.  I put forth my pro-Obama “credentials” only to assuage any fears that I might be “anti” Obama or planning to support McCain either by indifference or action.

And I’m not saying that “Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild” is a “woman of the people,” my whole point is that she’s not the racist cunt that knee-jerk reactors seemed to think she was.

There’s been more than a tinge of racism coming from certain Hillary reporters, and Rothschild is one of the offenders.  I know you don’t like to think badly of someone you know personally, but it’s pretty obvious from her words and her bearing is that what bugs her is that Obama is not the “right” kind of people and never will be.

Oh, and nice language you use about someone you supposedly admire and respect.  Does she know what you really think of her?

Seeker, that was intentional ...

“Is that irony?”
“I can’t tell any more!”

xx

This is really all the evidence we need that elitist means uppity (or possibly upstart). There is no name in western civilization higher in elitism than Rothschild, I think, although Windsor and other royal houses are in the same league.
There is no way she can be both sane and sincere in her usage of elitist as a criticism, therefore it *must* be a substitute for another word. And whether it’s racism, or a classism that loathes someone rising on merit, it’s ugly.

But not everyone has to agree with you on everything, and I’m not about to condemn someone as beyond redemption because they take a political position I find to be absolutely, unequivocably unacceptable.

NTBAA,
I understand where you’re coming from, but with all due respect, since this woman, given her wealth and privilege, will not suffer under McCain’s insane policies—from abortion to equal pay to god help us all, health care, she is a damned elitist because she’s not looking at the consequences of a McCain presidency for everyone. It won’t affect her so she doesn’t care—she can indulge in pettiness. That is, my friend, a real honest to god bona fide elitist.

Not to be an asshole, but…

Epic Fail on living up to your sig, my friend.

Man, it would be awesome to see the look on Lady Atavism’s face when she finally realizes that all her wealth and influence won’t save her from that pack of howler monkeys I’m sending to her estate.

sunsin, I don’t think you know what “not to be an asshole, but” actually means here.  When someone says “not to be an asshole, but…” they’re actually saying “I don’t want to come across as an asshole, but I know I will, so I’m going to go ahead and say what I’ve got to say knowing full well it’ll reek of assholery in the hopes that your knowledge that I know it’s going to sound bad will make what I’m saying less objectionable to you.”

Your criticism implies that I used a signature akin to “I’m not an asshole,” or “What I’m saying won’t sound like it’s coming from an asshole.”  That’s precisely what I did not do.

But who knows, maybe I’m wrong, sunsin, perhaps what you are saying (though I don’t believe this to be true) is that you understood that “not to be an asshole, but” meant “get ready to read something that sounds mighty assholified,” and then you read what I had to say and didn’t think it was at all assholish.  In that case, your “epic fail,” makes plenty of sense, and I owe you a bit of gratitude for your kind words.  Sadly, I suspect (perhaps wrongly, as I’ve just admitted) you were trying to say I sound like an asshole, which I’d hope that everyone would realize I did first, when I decided to sign my post “not to be an asshole, but.”

And Mnemosyne, I’m sorry that my word choices have offended you, and I’m afraid we’re simply going to have to disagree with respect to whether or not there has been a “tinge of racism” coming from LLFdeR.  I’ll readily admit that I’ve heard such comments from prominent and non-prominent Hillary-supporting individuals (and they make me angry, and sad, and a million other things), I’m just not willing to say that she’s one of them.

And lou you make an excellent point, that’s exactly why I’m saddened by her choice to support McCain and attack Obama.  Lady Lynn is going to be fine no matter who the president is, and it does disappoint me that she’s apparently willing to forget that not everyone else (including me) will be. 

Look, I’m not trying to sit here and be some sort of “cheerleader” for this woman, I just didn’t think that everything that was coming at her is entirely deserved.

To true elites like Rothschild

Oh, no: she married into that family. She’s from New Jersey, and a fucking nouveau riche. Perhaps that’s why she likes McCain.

What exactly was Obama supposed to do for her poow wittle huwt feewings?

As a matter of fact, the Rothschilds are exactly the kind of nouveau elitists (historically speaking) that you would expect from a family that got their title by being financiers to the nobility. 

But perhaps nee Forester’s comments aren’t really racist, and instead the complaints of the old-school elite. Because Obama is elitist in a sense: he believes that people should achieve high public because they’re good at doing things for people rather than because of the accomplishments of their fathers and grandfathers. It’s a different kind of elitism.

And Mnemosyne, I’m sorry that my word choices have offended you, and I’m afraid we’re simply going to have to disagree with respect to whether or not there has been a “tinge of racism” coming from LLFdeR.

As others have pointed out, the only person here who called her a “cunt” was you, so I’m not really buying that we were soooo mean that you had to respond.

And, yes, I think she is doing and saying what she is partially because of racism (well, that and a desperate desire to have some personal influence over the next President).  That’s the only way I can see her referring to a man raised by a single mother who went to high school and college on scholarship as an “elitist,” which includes the implication that she, herself, is not an elitist.  She’ll fit in perfectly on the Republican side since she seems comfortable taking labels that refer to her and applying them to Democrats without hesitation.

And, based only on my experiences with them, you’re more likely to find a rude, elitist attitude among nouveau riche asshats than among those whose wealth was inherited.

So the upper-class classmates at my small private liberal arts college and private Ivy-level grad school and co-workers who bragged about how much more “volunteering abroad”/traveling they were able to do and name dropped high profile names they were able to hobnob with were all an illusion?..... 

Yeah….right. 

Next, you’ll tell me that the Rothchilds are running a liquidation sale of the London Bridge and Big Ben because the Windsor family’s caviar budget has been found to be deeply in arrears for the last quarter or so and those poor dears need the support of us “commoners” to prevent this unmitigated tragedy which has befallen them *sniff* *sniff*......

And, based only on my experiences with them, you’re more likely to find a rude, elitist attitude among nouveau riche asshats than among those whose wealth was inherited.

Perhaps because those nouveau riche asshats actually accomplished more than being shot out of a rich man’s penis into a rich woman’s uterus.  Please spare us your apologetics.

Lady Lynn will never live like common people.

This whole “elitism” thing reminds me of This is Spinal Tap.

Q:“What’s wrong with being sexy?”
A:“Sex-IST!”

Well, by one Rothschild’s logic, her in-laws have issued and controlled the money of many nations—why should she care who makes the laws?

Nice that she wasn’t actually wearing her tiara when she said it…

NTBAA, it’s very simple.  The Lady is supporting McCain over the Democratic candidate.  That makes her our political foe, period.  I don’t give a rat’s ass if she’s the sweetest, kindest woman you’ve ever met, she’s actively working to make this country, and the world, a worse place to live.

When our political foes do something egregiously stupid, like, just for example, a member of one of the world’s wealthiest families calling someone who raised himself up from practically nothing an elitist, we mock them.  No pity, no remorse.  We aren’t the ones making the Noble Lady into a joke.  She’s doing that to herself, we’re just pointing it out.  If you don’t like it, too bad.

I still have yet to hear any good reason to think of Obama as an elitist, other than the plain simple fact that he is, in fact, far smarter and more talented than the average person.  It’s neither my nor Obama’s fucking problem if some people don’t like that.  We’re electing the leader of the free world, not your bar chums.

If we assume she actually means this, Tiny Revolution’s post about technocrats and aristocrats may attach some meaning to it. Certainly at least one story suggests that Barack Obama knew how the election worked and his opponent did not.

You could see this phenomenon in purified form in Saddam Hussein’s Iraq. Saddam’s moron son Uday would go to meetings with Iraqi scientists and wave his gold-plated gun around and scream at them for not enriching uranium fast enough. And Uday had the same kind of contempt for book-learnin’ displayed by George H.W. Bush’s moron son W. Meanwhile, the Iraqi scientists thought Uday was a dangerous cretin. If they could have, they definitely would have joined MoveOn.

And, based only on my experiences with them, you’re more likely to find a rude, elitist attitude among nouveau riche asshats than among those whose wealth was inherited.

Since when is a ROTHSCHILD “nouveau riche”?????  That family has had money for over two hundred years and has been part of the European aristocracy and financial elite since the 19th century!  Maybe this woman is only a Rothschild by marriage, but she’s had eight years to learn how to behave from her in-laws. 

Absolutely disgusting, and I don’t care how many doors she knocked on in Iowa.  Hillary Clinton showed class I thought she didn’t have when she conceded so graciously and stopped the roll call her followers had demanded.  This idiotic BRITISH ARISTOCRAT should emulate the woman she claims to idolize and do likewise.

And why would Forester (who is a voting American but lives at Ascott House, her husband Sir Evelyn Robert Adrian de Rothschild’s country estate in Britain) not like the Illinois senator? “I feel like he has not given me reason to trust him,” she said. “I feel like he is an elitist.”

Irony has been untimely killed. But she will rise again, to stalk this sunlit world, and slake her hunger with the brains of idiots!

She lost me at “de Rothschild”...

Meanwhile, an actual Republican who actually got elected to something big and has an actual record of doing things (which happens when you get elected as mayor to a huge city, with an economy that probably dwarfs Alaska’s) endorsed Obama and called McCain untrustworthy.  Maybe is he was an attention-seeker rather than the former mayor of Los Angeles this would be bigger news.

Or maybe he should change his name to Sir Richard de Riordan so Fox News can notice long enough to call him a traitor.

Well, who knows what promises were made on Air Fuck One.

PUMA! Get your ‘“Two Minutes Hate” on.

This was cute.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-rees/lynn-forester-de-rothschi_b_127116.html

Wait—a Rothschild is calling Obama elitist?

Hahahaha! That’s rich.