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Ross Douthat wrote a very bad post arguing that the Democratic position on choice was one that was “one of the more unyielding positions in contemporary American politics” towards pro-lifers.  He then wrote an explanation for his post, detailing how McCain making pointless noises about nominally pro-choice VP running mates that have no shot whatsoever at getting the slot. 

The odd part is that by the very fact that the Democratic Party embraces the outcome of the pro-life movement - not having an abortion is as valid an outcome as having one, provided either decision is made responsibly and without improper or undue influence or obstruction - it’s more welcoming than the Republican Party ever could be. 

This is, of course, if you assume that the pro-life movement has any goals beyond the outlawing of abortion and restriction of choice, and would be satisfied by anything other than pure opposition.  Douthat’s argument betrays just why the Democratic Party can’t welcome the “pro-lifers” in the Republican Party into their fold.  There’s no interest in anything that would make it easier to choose life, because that would still allow deviation from the orthodoxy.  It must be forced legally and morally on the uterused, and the argument that it shouldn’t be is simply intractable and intolerant. 

It’s kind of like how that mailbox I hit backing up was intolerant to my bumper.  It should really figure out a way for my automobile to feel less uncomfortable hitting it.

 

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Posted by Jesse Taylor on 10:41 PM • (28) Comments

I continue to fail to see why the Democrats must become more open-minded by embracing the idea that half the population don’t deserve full rights.

Comment #1: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/14  at  10:47 PM

“I continue to fail to see why the Democrats must become more open-minded by embracing the idea that half the population don’t deserve full rights.”

That just betrays your intolerance of closed-minded, misogynist bigotry.

Add another statement decrying racism and you can be accused of being a racist.

And one decrying christianity’s intolerance of atheists and other religions, so you are accused of being intolerant of religious intolerance.

...you’ve hit the trifecta!...

Comment #2: MikeEss  on  08/14  at  10:59 PM

And why should Dems be cultivating the “support” of a group that is losing influence?  More and more Americans are not spending all of their time worrying about what other people are doing in their bedrooms or with their uteri.

Comment #3: CParis  on  08/14  at  11:11 PM

“It’s kind of like how that mailbox I hit backing up was intolerant to my bumper.  It should really figure out a way for my automobile to feel less uncomfortable hitting it. “

WTF?

Comment #4: Eric, Rejector of Memes  on  08/15  at  12:31 AM

totally completely off topic, but can you guys make them stop advertising that goddamn anti-obama book full o’ smears. its in the middle of my screen almost everytime i get to pandagon, and im not certain, but theres a possibility that just thinking about it raises my blood pressure.

Comment #5: jessilikewhoa  on  08/15  at  12:55 AM

“The odd part is that by the very fact that the Democratic Party embraces the outcome of the pro-life movement - not having an abortion is as valid an outcome as having one”

Is this to state that a true “unyielding” Pro-Choice position would be that all pregnancies must end in an abortion?  Because, that seems a bit silly, and, well, the Confederacy never told anyone in Massachusetts that they absoltely must keep slaves .  .  .

Comment #6: Pink Dinkins  on  08/15  at  01:43 AM

“We’re not extremists - hell, we let people have children.”

Not too convincing, Jessie.

Comment #7: Pink Dinkins  on  08/15  at  01:44 AM

“We’re not extremists - hell, we let people have children.”

Not too convincing- of crazy unreachable people.

Comment #8: Panda Dog  on  08/15  at  01:48 AM

I mean, the German Blitzkreig didn’t kill all the Poles, its not like they got carried away, what with the rifles and Panzers and all.  That would have been extreme.

Comment #9: Pink Dinkins  on  08/15  at  01:57 AM

Wow, Godwins and “reproductive rights = slavery” within one hour.  Can someone ban Pink Dinkins already, or would that be intolerant?

Love the bumper analogy, by the way.

Comment #10: Nicole  on  08/15  at  02:20 AM

“Godwin”

Wehrmacht DNE Nazis.

Comment #11: Pink Dinkins  on  08/15  at  02:30 AM

“Can someone ban Pink Dinkins already, or would that be intolerant?”

Pish posh!  Criticism of one tiny lil godawaful argument is too insolent an act to be tolerated?  I’ll just say, I wouldn’t take Jessie’s argument out of doors, because it hasn’t been half-baked quite yet.

Comment #12: Pink Dinkins, QC  on  08/15  at  02:35 AM

I’m sorry but this is off topic.

Check out the new video by the Iowa Democratic Party attacking John McCain—- his final quote in the video is fucking ridiculous. It is so clear he is one of those closet sexists—or so stuck in the 1940’s that he doesn’t even realize that he is a dinosaur

www.mccainvsiowa.com

Comment #13: Jason  on  08/15  at  02:39 AM

Criticism of one tiny lil godawaful argument is too insolent an act to be tolerated?

Slavery comparisons and Nazi metaphors, and OUR arguments are god-awful*?  I think my irony meter just broke.

*Oh, excuse me, god-awaful.

Comment #14: Kyra  on  08/15  at  04:36 AM

So, Pink Dink, please explain why you feel that enslaving and killing women is a good thing? Because pregnancy can kill and free women can find ways to induce miscarriage, although where abortion is illegal it demands they risk their lives that way, too.

Comment #15: Samantha Vimes  on  08/15  at  05:01 AM

and, well, the Confederacy never told anyone in Massachusetts that they absoltely must keep slaves

Don’t know much history, do you?

http://www.nationalcenter.org/FugitiveSlaveAct.html

Comment #16: rea  on  08/15  at  08:33 AM

Besides the fact that Pink Dinkins is functionally illiterate, let’s talk about my point for a second.

The Democratic Party allows for a wide range of options that encourage pregnancies coming through to term, including comprehensive prenatal and postnatal healthcare, leave policies for pregnant women, access to well-crafted adoption services in the like.

In other words, if you want to have a baby, the Democratic Party embraces proactive steps to have that baby in a healthy environment.

That’s leaps and bounds more welcoming than the Republican Party could ever conceive of being.

Or, you know…Nazi shit.

Comment #17: Jesse Taylor  on  08/15  at  08:41 AM

“and, well, the Confederacy never told anyone in Massachusetts that they absoltely must keep slaves

Don’t know much history, do you?”


Yes, I see how that compelled other people to keep slaves in their own homes.  Much along the same lines, the Confederacy, so hopping mad to make people in the Northern States keep slaves, attempted to secede. 


“Besides the fact that Pink Dinkins is functionally illiterate, let’s talk about my point for a second.”


Jessie : rhetoric :: Sammy Hagar : music

Comment #18: Pink Dinkins, QC  on  08/15  at  09:03 AM

Pink Dinkins :: Not just another dirty name for <strike>your</strike> some guy’s dick…

Comment #19: MikeEss  on  08/15  at  09:30 AM

if you assume that the pro-life movement has any goals beyond the outlawing of abortion and restriction of choice

Of course they have further goals - like banning all contraception, removing the vote from women, and outlawing women in the workplace (except, I suppose, for maids and cooks).

Comment #20: firefall  on  08/15  at  10:20 AM

Jessie : rhetoric :: Sammy Hagar : music

Is it that hard to spell my name right?

Comment #21: Jesse Taylor  on  08/15  at  11:06 AM

How about this: We’re not extremists. We think women are human beings.

That’s what this debate is about.  If you think women are full human beings, you have to be pro-choice.  But if you think they’re lesser, you have a bunch of ways to express that.  You can be pro-choice but anti-wage equality.  It creates the appearance of a big tent from a certain light.

But only one party is big enough for both men and women to sit at the table as equals.  Republicans have cut out half the human race right off the bat.  Big tent my ass.

Comment #22: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/15  at  11:13 AM

Eh, it’s not worth arguing with Pink.  He’s clearly one of those people who think you get one shot to breed, and if you have an abortion, that’s it.  Women who have children and women who have abortions are not mutually exclusive categories—-in fact, most women getting abortions already have children.

Now, I understand that Pink may only have one shot to breed, and he’s concerned that the woman involved will rightly get thee to an abortion clinic to untie herself from that one night drunken mistake.  But that’s a problem addressed by improving your personality, Pink, not by banning abortion.

Comment #23: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/15  at  11:18 AM

The day the idea of the Republicans having an even-nominally pro choice leader in the senate becomes non-ridiculous would be a better day to claim that Democrats are the extremists on abortion than this day.

Douthat can mumble and plead all he likes, but he can’t turn the Republicans into some sort of inclusive party on abortion. I don’t know why he desires to do that, in any case, other than the unstated admission that he knows the Operation Rescue wing of the Republicans are a.) wrong and b.) just going to get more unpopular and might become an obstacle to future tax cuts.

Comment #24: witless chum  on  08/15  at  12:55 PM

I think Amanda nails Pink Dick.  So to speak.

Comment #25: kac90b  on  08/15  at  02:21 PM

Actually, witless, Ross is definitely more the “I may only have one shot to breed!” Republican than the “cut my taxes, bee-yotches!” type.  I think he’s just grasping.

Comment #26: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/15  at  06:55 PM

“Is it that hard to spell my name right?”

Sorry, I thought everybody spelled it like Rick Springfield.

Comment #27: Pink Dinkins, QC  on  08/15  at  08:11 PM

Amanda, I love the “Amanda’s politics are the true gateway to sexual nirvana” meme - that’s classic, for sure - but I have got to ask - are you feeling OK?  I mean, I feel like your heart just isn’t in it anymore.

Comment #28: Pink Dinkins, QC  on  08/15  at  09:00 PM
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