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Look, dudes are for looking, dammit

Sorry to torture you with this video—-the sound of Glenn Beck’s smug, hateful voice makes me a little ill, too——but I found it a fascinating example of how all the focus on this new Senator is creating some misery on the right.  It’s a good thing, since this will help usher Scott Brown out in 6 years, but it’s also fascinating to me how much so many of the people celebrating this election have come to really dislike Scott Brown now that they’re paying attention.  He’s all over the map on reproductive rights, for instance, which sets off alarm bells with right wingers who prefer politicians who are never hijacked by sympathy for non-virginal women.  He’s smarmy like a right winger should be, but not in precisely the way they prefer, with a solid dose of disingenuous piety to work as a shield.  He makes dirty jokes about his daughters, for instance, when the proper target for that kind of thing is your wife—-unmarried daughters are virgins, right?  And smarmy disrespect is meant for obvious non-virgins.

But let’s face it, the thing that drives guys like Glenn Beck over the falls the most is the 1982 Cosmo centerfold.  In the above clip, Beck’s comments about that are edited out, but rest assured, it pisses him off and really feeds his belief that Brown is a murderous (!) pervert.  Since Sarah Palin marched around in a bathing suit in front of a live audience and that doesn’t cause Beck to argue that she’s got a bunch of dead interns stashed somewhere, you’re right to believe that there’s a double standard in play.  (She’s far from the only one—-Republicans tend to favor former pageant contestants, including Michele Bachmann.)  Figleaf has described what he calls the Two Rules Of Desire in the more conservative view of proper gender roles:

  1. It is simultaneously inconceivable and intolerable for a woman to have sexual desire.
  2. It is simultaneously inconceivable and intolerable for a man to be sexually desired.

This initially seems like a stretch, but the more you think about it, the more it’s obvious how these beliefs are wound throughout our social narratives about sex, from arguing that teen girls have sex for attention (not desire) to the way that homophobes obsess over gay men having anal sex, which puts a man in the inconceivable/intolerable position (in their view) of being penetrated, which is what women are for. 

Scott Brown violated the rules in this case, and demonstrated that a man can both be an object of sexual desire and that a woman can look with lust.  To Beck’s mind, this is an unspeakable perversion of nature, and apparently that once you commit the unspeakable perversion of assuming women want and men can be wanted, then the doors of society are blown off and everyone’s murdering interns.  I guess I don’t have much to add to this at this point, except to point out that this was a disturbing glimpse into how much rigid gender roles define conservatism’s worldview—-and how rigid they really are.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 11:02 AM • (70) Comments

since this will help usher Scott Brown out in six years

Two years, thank all the gods (seriously.  Even the malevolent ones.  Czernobog has shown us some serious mercy, here).  As I understand it, he only gets to finish out Kennedy’s term (2012) before he has to run again.

Comment #1: Seraph  on  01/21  at  11:49 AM

help usher Scott Brown out in 6 years
Actually, just 3—he’s up for re-election in 2012, because that’s when the Ted Kennedy term would’ve naturally ended.  Guess is that he’ll try to capitalize on his celebrity and run for president, knowing that the MA seat is going to be hard to keep.

Comment #2: Neil the Ethical Werewolf  on  01/21  at  11:52 AM

yes, he’s just finishing Kennedy’s term.  Not a whole 6 years.  Thank gods.

I’m looking forward to the parody of J Giles Band’s “Centerfold.”

Comment #3: Isabella  on  01/21  at  11:53 AM

he’ll try to capitalize on his celebrity and run for president

He’s probably not quite crazy enough to win a national Republican nomination.  Possibly the VP slot if Romney’s not the nominee, and the candidate wants to pretend to appeal to moderates.

Comment #4: BABH  on  01/21  at  12:01 PM

On one hand, I am happy that the Dems didn’t go Culture Warrior on Brown and use the Cosmo thing against him.  It’s not a big deal that he posed for that, but if the roles had been reversed, the Rethugs would have been all over the Dem for posing.  It would have been sickening.

On the other hand, it feels like another example of Dems being too timid.  I don’t want them to use some BS Culture Warrior crap, but I want them to go and bring a gun to a gun fight.  Rachel Maddow KILLED the Dems last night for rolling over in the face of only having an 18-seat majority instead of mythical 20-seat majority, while still holding control of the House as well.

And Beck is the worst kind of demagogue.  The idea that what’s-her-name (the Republican analyst that is being trotted out as eye-candy from the post a few days ago) keeps referring to him as President Beck is beyond laughable.  He’s one-step away from Michael Savage.

Comment #5: bouj  on  01/21  at  12:06 PM

I think there’s reason to think giving more publicity to the centerfold would have backfired.  While someone like Glenn Beck finds this whole thing appalling, I think there’s an argument that the “regular Joe” swing voter in Massachusetts found it endearing.

Comment #6: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/21  at  12:10 PM

I don’t disagree with you on that, Amanda.  It just seems like another example of the Dems not going for the jugular.  Like I said, I am glad they didn’t use it because I like to think they are better than that.  However, there is NO WAY they should have lost that race.  Maddow and Olberman both pointed out last night that the exit polls showed that people who voted for Obama and then Brown consistently didn’t think the Dems were fighting back against the Repubs hard enough.  That’s enough to swing the election.  Read an exit poll and learn from this, Dems, or be ready to get your ass handed to you in spectacular fashion in November.

Comment #7: bouj  on  01/21  at  12:29 PM

Maybe, but if Beck were a woman talking about Palin like that you would hear an outbreak of “meow!“s all over.

And considering Beck’s own physical repulsiveness, and the probablity that good old fashioned jealousy plays some role in his reaction, I’ll say it:

MEOW!

Comment #8: JennyLI  on  01/21  at  12:37 PM

“Scott Brown violated the rules in this case, and demonstrated that a man can both be an object of sexual desire and that a woman can look with lust.  To Beck’s mind, this is an unspeakable perversion of nature, and apparently that once you commit the unspeakable perversion of assuming women want and men can be wanted, then the doors of society are blown off and everyone’s murdering interns.”

I think I have to defer to Mr. Beck’s superior personal understanding and experience here. 

After all, he’s a man whose career, mind, and politics are an “unspeakable perversion of nature”...

Comment #9: MikeEss  on  01/21  at  12:58 PM

Romney/Brown 2012? I just threw up in my mouth.

But, seriously, I think a large part of this story was the lack of campaigning by Coakley. She apparently outspend Brown by a significant margin in the weeks leading up to the election. But she was practically invisible. Rachel Maddow made a great point election night: MA does have any more registered Dems(proportionally) than anywhere else. We have lot registered independents. The Dems were not exactly energized for this election. And the independents went for Brown because he actually went out and spoke to them.

I suppose my point is: it’s easy to label your opposition as “elitist” and “out of touch” when they don’t to get out on the street and meet people. Coakley’s people ran her campaign as if there were no one else in the race.

Comment #10: phil zombi  on  01/21  at  01:00 PM

Maddow and Olberman both pointed out last night that the exit polls showed that people who voted for Obama and then Brown consistently didn’t think the Dems were fighting back against the Repubs hard enough.

I hope the Democrats are able to get that out to the rest of the MSM, because they’ve been saying since before the election that this is a repudiation of Obama, proof that the administration has gone too far to the left, we’re really a center-right country ....

Oh, who am I kidding?  Like they’re going to give up their all-time favorite narrative of Obama as a wild-eyed lefty who even Karl Marx would think goes too far with his crazy ideas about controlling corporate excess and universal healthcare.

Comment #11: Mnemosyne  on  01/21  at  01:06 PM

...and let us never forget there are unsubstantiated rumors floating around the Internet that allege Glenn Beck Raped and Murdered a Girl in 1990.  By the press standards of today, they must possibly be true, maybe, perhaps…

Comment #12: MikeEss  on  01/21  at  01:08 PM

He’s probably not quite crazy enough to win a national Republican nomination.  Possibly the VP slot if Romney’s not the nominee, and the candidate wants to pretend to appeal to moderates.

Pawlenty.  Pawlenty/Brown, and the Democrats can make a play on words along the lines of “pah-lenty of the usual brown stuff from the Republicans” and can run against the pair of same-old white dudes with . . . well, that depends on whether Obama can manage to DO anything in the next two years.

Comment #13: Kyra  on  01/21  at  01:09 PM

I think there’s an argument that the “regular Joe” swing voter in Massachusetts found it endearing.

I agree, Amanda.  That would be a pathetic and transparent display of ‘disgust’ by Glen Beck.  Whether or not we consider Beck physically repulsive, it’s obvious that he considers himself less than impressive.  Otherwise, he wouldn’t be threatened by Scott Brown’s beefcake turn.  But I think that physical insecurity is generally less an issue with working-class men, especially those who work with their hands for a living (as opposed to overprivileged hyenas like Beck, who makes a ton of money whining and carping).  I recently posed for a beefcake firefighter calendar, and I was moderately surprised that my more right-wing colleagues weren’t more taken aback by it (not that I’m anything special, but I expected more of a homophobic reflex, at least).  I shouldn’t have been surprised.  Of all the blue-collar jobs, firefighters may be most heavily burdened with the image of macho sex objects.  Most guys take it in stride, while some milk it for all it’s worth; they all dig imagining that the chicks think they’re hot.  The point is that none of them felt a need to be threatened by what I’d done, and they definitely wouldn’t hold it against an effective tea bagger-baiter like Scott Brown.  Firefighters may be an extreme example, but I think the dynamic is probably fairly consistent among blue-collar men.  So if Beck wants to hate on Scott Brown, he’d better find another route.

Comment #14: Sam Holloway  on  01/21  at  01:17 PM

I did read a transcription of his “women are psychos” tirade.  I am still waiting for the translation.  How does he maintain an audience while being so inarticulate?

Comment #15: dillene  on  01/21  at  01:22 PM

Mnemosyne,

The Dems weren’t/haven’t yet.  Maddow and Olberman were doing it for them.  Maddow had Senator Stabenow from Michigan and she all but rolled over on live TV when Maddow asked why the Dems were cowering in the corner over this.  A masterful gutless performance.  I have yet to hear a Dem come out swinging, from Obama on down.

On the plus side, I’m pretty sure I saw the same poll #‘s graphic on CNN too.  I was at the gym watching all the political talk but listening to MSNBC.

Comment #16: bouj  on  01/21  at  01:24 PM

The “dead intern” thing may not be a knock against Gary Condit.  It may be a shot at the mysterious death of Joe Scarborough’s constituent services coordinator, Lori Klausutis.  Scarborough wrote a laudatory article about Hilary Clinton recently and that may have been enough for him to receive a “don’t be a heretic lest YE be cast out!” shot across the bows.

Comment #17: seeker6079  on  01/21  at  01:33 PM

I wonder how much of this is due to jealousy.  Beck is convinced, rightly or wrongly, that women only tolerate sex with him for money, attention, whatever.  It’s much more comforting to him to believe that that’s just how women are, rather than consider the possibility that he doesn’t measure up in one particular area.

I think there’s also the problem of the men-as-default attitude.  If (most) men don’t find men to be sexually attractive, then how could women possibly think that men are attractive?

Sadly, this attitude is not limited to conservatives either.  Let’s not forget the good-naked-bad-naked episode of Seinfeld.

Comment #18: bananacat  on  01/21  at  01:37 PM

I think there’s also the problem of the men-as-default attitude.  If (most) men don’t find men to be sexually attractive, then how could women possibly think that men are attractive?

True, this.  Add to that, though, the constant pressure on girls to deny that they have any agency, interest or sexuality.  To Approach is to be Wrong, so they don’t Approach, which feeds into the “men aren’t sexy to women” meme because, after all (the Vicious Circle says!) if they were sexy wouldn’t the women approach them?  One of the most feminist things one can do is break that BS barrier.

Comment #19: seeker6079  on  01/21  at  01:45 PM

The most sickening thing I found in the polling on this: among those who decided how to vote more than a month ahead of time, Coakley won.  Among those who decided how to vote in the last week - after the Coakley debacle was forced to campaign - Coakley won.  It was in between, among those who decided how to vote between 1 month and 1 week before the election, at a time when only Brown was campaigning that she lost this election.  That’s just inexcusable incompetence.

Comment #20: libdevil  on  01/21  at  01:47 PM

Damn. Say what you like about his politics, he’s not too hard on the eyes, 80s hair and all.

(No, I don’t have anything more substantive than that to add. What makes you ask?)

Comment #21: Aaron  on  01/21  at  02:20 PM

I guess it goes to show how mental I am that even the pic of him naked when he was much younger and conventionally good looking, and had a nice bod, made me naseous.

That’s what right wingers do to me - they make me naseous.  You can put a bow on their cocks, and it’s still going to make naseous.

I guess I am very weird, what can you do.

Comment #22: JennyLI  on  01/21  at  02:26 PM

He isn’t hot. Not now. Not in 1982. He looks like Mitt Romney now, and like a younger version of Ward Cleaver then.

Comment #23: Luke  on  01/21  at  02:37 PM

Never said he was, Luke, only that in the year before my first birthday, he had a nice body. His face puts me in mind of every nightmare I’ve ever had about Senate committee meetings.

I guess I am very weird

Possessed of an unusually principled libido, perhaps?

Comment #24: Aaron  on  01/21  at  02:48 PM

The Supreme Court just ruled that corporations are free to spend an UNLIMITED amount of money to promote or oppose any political candidate that they want.

If people thought losing our 60 seat Senate majority was extremely depressing, this should put all progressives on suicide watch.

America just got it’s death sentence, thanks to Justices Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, Alito, and Kennedy.

It’s been a fun 234 years.  Welcome to the Fascist States of America.

Rupert Murdoch can now spend a billion dollars hand picking the next President of the United States if he wants to, provided he uses News Corp money to do so.

Exxon Mobil can too.  So climate change legislation has now really died.

This country is finished.  Start saving money to get the fuck out of here, because things are gonna get really ugly over the next 10-20 years.  We’ve just been sent back to the days of the robber barons in the late 1800s, literally.

Comment #25: DTG in STL  on  01/21  at  03:10 PM

Romney/Brown 2012? I just threw up in my mouth.

Technically, that’s againt the rules.  The Constitution says that the POTUS and VPOTUS can’t be from the same state.

Granted, that didn’t really get in the way for fellow Texans George Bush & Dick Cheney - Cheney just registered himself as a resident of Wyoming, where his vacation home is.  My guess is that Romney would go back to being from Utah or Michigan.

Comment #26: DTG in STL  on  01/21  at  03:16 PM

I have been saying for months now, since I realized that Obama wasn’t really going to be able to turn things around, that unlike most Americans I’m not saving to retire to Arizona or Florida.  I want out.  I am making other plans, I only pray I can make it happen before it’s too late.

Comment #27: JennyLI  on  01/21  at  03:28 PM

We’ve just been sent back to the days of the robber barons in the late 1800s, literally.

Or rather, the days before the 1990 Supreme Court decision that was overturned today. 

Also, Exxon can’t spend $1 billion on a presidential campaign, because its shareholders wouldn’t stand for it.  News Corp. on the other hand…

Comment #28: BABH  on  01/21  at  03:34 PM

Also, Exxon can’t spend $1 billion on a presidential campaign, because its shareholders wouldn’t stand for it.

They would if a major plank of the candidate’s platform was to repeal all those pesky regulatory and environmental laws that stand in Exxon’s way.

God, I think i’m going to have to move to a cabin in the woods next election season.

Comment #29: Gavel Down  on  01/21  at  03:38 PM

Also, Exxon can’t spend $1 billion on a presidential campaign, because its shareholders wouldn’t stand for it.

Yes and no.  If it could proven that spending a billion now would result in making ten billion later, they sure as hell would approve of it.

I agree that it’s not as simple as saying that corporate board of executives couldn’t unilaterally decide to spend however much money they want on a campaign, but if they can make a compelling enough to their biggest shareholders that such expenditures would be in the best fiduciary interest of the company, absolutely they could spend a billion dollars on a campaign.  Or at least hundreds of millions.

The main point is this - we’ve just given corporations nearly unlimited power to put whoever they want into federal offices.  If you can rely on having a warchest ten or twenty times greater than your opponent by making the most promises to push an agenda that is profitable to a particular corporate interest, that corporate interest can basically ensure that you get elected.

Also… the available cash of corporate interests today is light years beyond what it was in 1990.  The wealth gap has exploded even in just the last 20 years.

Comment #30: DTG in STL  on  01/21  at  03:44 PM

Cheney just registered himself as a resident of Wyoming, where his vacation home is.

Sorry to correct you, but Cheney had been in Congress from 78-89 representing Wyoming. Born in Nebraska, went to WY for college. So his roots there are deep enough not to be a carpetbagger. Only his five-year stint at Halliburton was in Texas.

Comment #31: benvolio  on  01/21  at  03:46 PM

I am taking a leap from PR and advertising, to pursuing government contracts right now.  It’s a lot of work and a steep learning curve, but I do believe we are going back to robber baron times, and i am trying to prepare.

I understand I am going to need a lot more money to do that.  Just living a comfortable life isn’t going to last now.

Comment #32: JennyLI  on  01/21  at  03:49 PM

bevolio @ #31:

Fair enough.  The point is, at the beginning of the Bush-Cheney 2000 Campaign, Cheney was still a legal resident of Texas.  He purposely changed his residency status back to Wyoming to run for the Vice-Presidency.  Had Cheney not nominated himself (he was the head of Bush’s VP search team, and decided, and hired himself for the job), he would likely have remained a legal resident of Texas.

Comment #33: DTG in STL  on  01/21  at  03:50 PM

I’m old enough to remember the Beefcake centerfold the first time.  Not my type, but so what?  He was in or not far out of college when he posed.  Americans are such farking prudes when it comes to body display.

Comment #34: Ms Kate  on  01/21  at  03:52 PM

When this first appeared on a local site, somebody who was around at the time said that it probably attracted as many male lookers as female lookers.  This is part of Beck’s disgust, I’m sure - that, and it makes Beck feel itchy.

Comment #35: Ms Kate  on  01/21  at  03:55 PM

Hmm, naked man brings on homophobia attack.  Probably!  Maybe Beck was afraid if he looked too long it might move!

Comment #36: JennyLI  on  01/21  at  03:58 PM

If someone told me that one of the five most prominent right wing media hacks was a closeted homosexual, my first guess would absolutely be Glenn Beck.

He’s a hateful, disgusting human being, but more than the average rightwinger, he seems to be suffering from severe mental illness… I imagine being pushed into the closet by his Mormon beliefs might have something to do with that.

Not saying he definitely is a closeted gay man… it just wouldn’t shock me in the least if the man someday has a Ted Haggard episode.

Comment #37: DTG in STL  on  01/21  at  04:05 PM

Ms Kate, it says Brown was a ‘3L’ at the time, which I gather means a third-year law student. (A friend of mine’s in his second year of law school, and I just the other day saw him refer to himself in that context as a ‘2L’, so…)

And, as one of those ‘male lookers’ (though not half the looker Brown used to be, sad to say), I’d just like to note that the thought of possibly helping to deeply disturb Glenn Beck just about makes my day.

Comment #38: Aaron  on  01/21  at  04:07 PM

If someone told me that one of the five most prominent rightwing media hacks was a closeted homosexual, I’d say “What, only one?”

Comment #39: Aaron  on  01/21  at  04:08 PM

If someone told me that one of the five most prominent rightwing media hacks was a closeted homosexual, I’d say “What, only one?”

Nah, I don’t think they all are.  Limbaugh, for instance, strikes me as a likely pedophile… but not a closet case.

Besides, if all of them were secretly gay, then where would homophobia come from?  Closeted homobigots are vile creatures, but let’s not let the hetero fundie assholes who are primarily responsible for homophobia off the hook so easily.

Beck is a special case of wingnut crazy.  The man sees subversive communist plots in artwork on the 30 Rock Building where NBC is headquartered.  He literally thinks the Rockefeller family was a secret communist cabal.  Shades of J. Edgar Hoover in his extreme paranoia.  That’s what leads me to wonder if he’s hiding something from himself and the world.

Comment #40: DTG in STL  on  01/21  at  04:15 PM

The Constitution says that the POTUS and VPOTUS can’t be from the same state.

Not quite—what it says is that a state’s elector’s can’t vote for both a president and vice president from that state.  More of a practical obstacle to election than a lega prohibition . . .

Comment #41: rea  on  01/21  at  04:17 PM

Every time I read these posts of Amanda’s about conservative’s sexual mores and attitudes, beliefs, whatever, I just feel completely baffled.  Totally.

Women like to look at men and lust after the sexy ones.  Eventually many will fuck their objects of desire.

What on Earth is your problem, dude?  What on Earth could be the issue here?

Sex.  Pleasure.  Women.  Color me completely lost, some idiot might have a problem with this, but a whole movement?

I suppose the impetus fits under the ever-handy tactics to subjugate women.  What a wasted set of beliefs, what a wasted life that must lead to.

Comment #42: paradox  on  01/21  at  04:19 PM

There’s also nothing stopping any multi-billionaire from pumping $5 billion into “Acme Shell Corporation” through a private stock purchase and thus turning his (and let’s face it, they’re almost all men) federally limited contribution into a limitless slush fund of political spending.  There are no limits on how much the rich can spend on campaigns any more.  You and I?  We’re still limited, largely by virtue of a) not having millions or billions of dollars and b) not owning corporations to interfere with the political process on our behalf.

Comment #43: libdevil  on  01/21  at  04:20 PM

Wow he is crazy.  Brown is an asshole who bears close scrutiny for many many reasons.  But posing nekkid (and rocking the nekkid) is not one of them. 

Way to fly your freak flag, Beck.

Comment #44: Weezie Jefferson  on  01/21  at  04:35 PM

libdevil @ #43:

That’s the bigger point that’s being missed.  For as much as people want to say, “Shareholders would never allow that!”, that’s completely invalid if you are a corporation of one - people are allowed to incorporate themselves, effectively getting around the $2300 limit.  If Rupert Murdoch decides to take half of his own personal money to spend on a campaign, he wouldn’t even need to use News Corp to do it… he could start a new company called Rupert Murdoch, Inc. that sells pie as a front, and has $20 Billion in assets.  And he’s the sole proprietor of the “pie company”, and can spend the company’s money however he wants.

The SCOTUS ruling does still keep intact the prohibition of direct campaign contributions from corporations, but it doesn’t prevent them from running independent ads much like 527s already do.

Comment #45: DTG in STL  on  01/21  at  04:40 PM

Right, that’s the other thing - for the last 20 years, PACs and 527s have made it possible for anyone to spend whatever they want on political advocacy.  Today’s decision only akes it marginally easier (and more honest).

Comment #46: BABH  on  01/21  at  04:56 PM

It’s been a fun 234 years.  Welcome to the Fascist States of America.

Corporatist States of America.

By the way, due to your online activities you’ve been flagged as an insurgent with 82% confidence by an ODNI contractor’s data mining program. Blackwater private security (who has signed a public-private partnership contract with your municipality when they downsized the police force) will be at your home shortly to fly you to the nearest Halliburton detention center. Tonight’s meal will be provided by McDonald’s, at 15$ a meal factured directly to the taxpayers.

Comment #47: BlackBloc  on  01/21  at  05:13 PM

You will of course be expected to repay that debt by doing labor for the prison. We just received a new order from Nike.

Comment #48: BlackBloc  on  01/21  at  05:16 PM

“Corporatist States of America.”

...since Fascism is the unholy alliance of Rightwing political thugs with the moneyed interests behind corporations, I’d say the US is both the “Corporatist States of America” and well on its way to becoming the “Fascist States of America”.

Otherwise, I’d say you’re spot on, BlackBloc…

Comment #49: MikeEss  on  01/21  at  05:35 PM

And considering Beck’s own physical repulsiveness, and the probablity that good old fashioned jealousy plays some role in his reaction..

No kidding.  Saucer of milk for you,  Mr. Beck?

Comment #50: Smartpatrol  on  01/21  at  05:51 PM

Corporatist States of America.

Heh, we were just talking about this sort of thing the other day regarding health care reform ... the on-going incorporation of Chinese-style crony capitalist manipulation into the workings of American government. Gotta say, though, that this is pretty bold; they’re usually a lot more subtle, but I suppose they figure that most citizens can’t be arsed to care. After all, what’s a major SCOTUS ruling compared with the latest antics of Charlie Sheen or Heidi Montag?

We’ve just been sent back to the days of the robber barons in the late 1800s, literally.

Which is and always has been the over-arching economic goal of the neoCons. To a certain extent, it’s the social goal, too.

Comment #51: Gracchus.  on  01/21  at  05:56 PM

Since Sarah Palin marched around in a bathing suit in front of a live audience and that doesn’t cause Beck to argue that she’s got a bunch of dead interns stashed somewhere,

I wonder if Palin’s dumb enough to buy the idea that she can stay young forever by bathing in the blood of Young Conservatives…?

Comment #52: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/21  at  06:01 PM

“I wonder if Palin’s dumb enough to buy the idea that she can stay young forever by bathing in the blood of Young Conservatives…?”

Why not?  It’s worked well for Count Cheney all these years…

Comment #53: MikeEss  on  01/21  at  06:14 PM

“I wonder if Palin’s dumb enough to buy the idea that she can stay young forever by bathing in the blood of Young Conservatives…?”

I don’t know that she’d have to be particularly dumb to try it.  She’d just need a low enough opinion of the young conservatives’ value on the open market.

Comment #54: preying mantis  on  01/21  at  06:46 PM

OK, so money is speach. Ergo, logically, a law prohibiting me from speaking out (ie, paying $50) in order to procure, say, a quarter ounce of marijuana would be a prior restraint upon my free speach and therefore unconstitutional, right?

Hell, if money is speach doesn’t the 1st Amendment override both the Commerce Clause and the Taxation and Spending Clause of the Constitution?

Comment #55: Sarcastro  on  01/21  at  06:50 PM

We’re still limited, largely by virtue of a) not having millions or billions of dollars and b) not owning corporations to interfere with the political process on our behalf.

Can’t help you with a), but as for b) get out your credit card and go here.  Half-hour, tops.

Comment #56: Thlayli  on  01/21  at  06:59 PM

Thlayli, I’m having the damndest time finding the “and also please fund my new company well enough that I can afford to go toe-to-toe with the ones that own all the lobbyists” option on that website…

Comment #57: Aaron  on  01/21  at  07:01 PM

“Beck is convinced, rightly or wrongly, that women only tolerate sex with him for money, attention, whatever. “

What #18: catgirl said.

I’m shamelessly proud of the Two Rules.  They do seem like a stretch but turns out they stretch for miles.  Beck sums up Rule #2 pretty well: if men could be sexually desirable to women, and, worse, just desirable for our looks, then Beck would have to add “work out and take a shower every now and then” to his litany of things men want.  Among other things.

Actually, you know, for all that accusing 51% of the population (including specifically his wife and three daughters!) of being psycho is an overtly misogynist insult his little eat/screw/sleep syllogism is a dead insult for men as well.  Even a fucking planaria wants more than to eat, have sex, and sleep and all they’ve got is a primitive notochord!  Anytime someone asks what gives me the call to say I’m a feminist I say it’s because even Mary Daly had higher expectations for men, and more respect for us, than your average anti-feminist does.

And actually, what the little clown said was “Feed me, make love to me, let me sleep.”  Meaning he can’t even do it himself—he has to have someone else do it for him.  And you know who he’s got in mind.  Putz!

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Comment #58: figleaf  on  01/21  at  07:04 PM

America just got it’s death sentence, thanks to Justices Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, Alito, and Kennedy.
I was stunned by this. We’re fucked. Welcome to the United States of AGI,MasterCard,Walmart…
It’s terrible that not only that Bush stole two elections, but that he was about to appoint two hard right conservatives.

Comment #59: pitbullgirl65  on  01/21  at  07:31 PM

The only upside to today’s SCOTUS ruling is that all drug laws prohibiting purchasing or selling illegal drugs have now been ruled effectively unconstitutional.

“Hey, I wasn’t buying an ounce of pot.  I was merely expressing my free speech rights by giving that guy my money.  Just using my First Amendment rights, is all.  That he happened to leave a bag of weed behind after he left has nothing whatsoever to do with my expressing my freedom of speech by giving him my money.”

Seriously, that needs to be brought forward now.  Since apparantly financial transactions now equal free speech rights.

Comment #60: DTG in STL  on  01/21  at  07:34 PM

Um, is it just me or is the intern reference meant to evoke Gary Condit (a Democrat) who was more or less convicted in the court of social opinion to have done away with Chandra Levy, his intern? Gary Condit subsequently lost a bid for re-election. But in recent years, they connected the Levy disappearance with a completely different guy who had a history of assaulting women in the park where her remains were found.

So what’s the basis for Glenn even invoking intern death? Except to rely on old data that paints Dems in a bad light and reinforce that connection in people’s heads?

Comment #61: PixelFish  on  01/21  at  08:29 PM

Pixelfish @ 61:
Yes.  Unless he was referring to Scarborough (see #19 - http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/look_dudes_are_for_looking_dammit/site/comments#180126)  Scarborough is still capable of rational, balanced thought on occasion, so Beck may hate him for that, or have him marked down as the next run on the ladder up.

Comment #62: seeker6079  on  01/21  at  10:49 PM

I wonder how much of this is due to jealousy.  Beck is convinced, rightly or wrongly, that women only tolerate sex with him for money, attention, whatever.  It’s much more comforting to him to believe that that’s just how women are, rather than consider the possibility that he doesn’t measure up in one particular area.

Well, or self-loathing.  One can make peace with it just being impossible to be the object of lust/desire pretty easily (okay, relative to the next bit).  But coming to peace with the idea that you could be the object of lust/desire, and you’ve failed to capitalise on that is much worse.  Anytime I get an inkling of that is when I hate myself the most.  It’s much easier (self, lazy, probably) to drift through life just thinking it’s something that’s been denied to you, rather than something you’ve denied yourself.

Comment #64: Brian  on  01/22  at  12:06 AM

OMG… I just realized one of the most frightening aspects of today’s SCOTUS ruling - all the focus is on how this will influence elections of legislators and executives.  It will also literally allow judges to be bought.  Judges.

Say you are Company X, and you being sued to high heavens, and your case is going to be heard in State Courthouse Y, where Judge Z presides.  Judge Z is an elected judge, and his re-election is coming up.  Company X can now essentially rig the election directly by making it clear to Judge Z that without a favorable ruling, Judge Z will be replaced by Judge A, whose campaign will be flooded with cash if Judge Z doesn’t do the bidding of Company X.

It isn’t just that we’ve now put every Congressional and Senate seat on the auction block, or even the Presidency itself on the auction block… SCOTUS has now stacked the deck such that the very people who arbitrate the law can be bought and sold.

Either President Obama is going to have to become even more corporate friendly than he already is, or he will be relegated to the post-presidential speaking circuit just three years from now.

Holy fuck, we’re screwed.

Comment #65: DTG in STL  on  01/22  at  12:34 AM

Oh, one last thing.

I love this blog.  Too bad it won’t exist in a few years when Net Neutrality is utterly destroyed, and all political dissent via the Intertubes is silenced by AT&T;, Verizon, and Comcast.

Think I’m kidding?  The progressive blogosphere is done if this SCOTUS ruling stays in place.  Dissent will be silenced, everywhere.  We’re all gonna be forced to accept their world.  And that means the progressive blogosphere literally is as good as dead.  It may be a few years, but it’s done.  And there isn’t a fucking thing anybody can do about it.  If it can be done in China, it can be done here, too.  And if you’ve got nasty things to say about the new corporate overlords, they’re not gonna let you do it on their Internet.

Olbermann really put how utterly nightmarish this brave new world is gonna be into context tonight:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34981476/ns/msnbc_tv-countdown_with_keith_olbermann/

Comment #66: DTG in STL  on  01/22  at  01:29 AM

...since Fascism is the unholy alliance of Rightwing political thugs with the moneyed interests behind corporations, I’d say the US is both the “Corporatist States of America” and well on its way to becoming the “Fascist States of America”.

This nitpick isn’t very important, so please feel free to ignore it.

When Mussolini said that fascism should be understood as corporatism, he wasn’t referring to business corporations in particular. Corporatism, in this sense, refers to all forms of corporata, including labor unions, religious cults, cooperatives, banks, school boards, stock exchanges, farmers’ markets, militias, Rotary clubs, Freemasons, the Wizards’ Council, businesses, and their affiliated interest groups. The principle of corporatism is that all these groups are bound together under, and subordinate to, some ultimate corporatus. In fascism, the ultimate corporatus is the state.

So if a labor union has a disagreement with a business corporation, under Mussolini’s short definition of fascism their disagreement is not allowed to become so important that it threatens the interests of the state, and the state asserts the right to intervene and settle the dispute even without the consent of both disputants.

I don’t know enough about the National Labor Relations Board to say whether it meets these criteria, but even if it doesn’t, something very similar would. And there’s the major limitation of Mussolini’s short definition: if the National Labor Relations Board counts as fascism, then the definition is perhaps too broad to serve as an indicator of threats to liberal democracy.

The common misunderstanding of Mussolini’s short definition, as being simply the government in service of business interests, would describe Lincoln’s giveaways of public land to railroad companies. Still undesirable, but not yet the end of democracy either.

A more predictive guide might be Umberto Eco’s description of ur-fascism. And of course, business corporations do promote real fascism, insofar as they benefit from promoting and rewarding aristocratic elitism.

Comment #67: asdf  on  01/22  at  01:29 AM

On one hand, I am happy that the Dems didn’t go Culture Warrior on Brown and use the Cosmo thing against him.  It’s not a big deal that he posed for that, but if the roles had been reversed, the Rethugs would have been all over the Dem for posing.  It would have been sickening.

Perhaps the Mass. Dems didn’t do this, but good ol’ Keith Olberman didn’t have trouble doing it the day after the election.  See KO"s rant here shown in John Stewart’s takedown of KO (at the 8:35 mark): http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/thu-january-21-2010-julie-andrews

BTW, I wonder if KO knows the difference between “tea partying” and “tea bagging”. 

Disrespect for other people is certainly not limited to the right wing as the Daily Howler pointed out yesterday here:  http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh012110.shtml

Comment #68: MiddleageLiberal  on  01/22  at  01:07 PM

Olbermann can get caught up in some idiotic and over-the-top shit, and has certainly behaved creepily at times (his obsession with Carrie Prejean), but last night, his program was 100% on the money, and his Special Comment was one of the best, and most chilling, I’ve every heard.

Read what other progressive-leaning legal scholars are saying about the SCOTUS rulling today.  Hell, read the New York Times’ editorial on it today.  This may turn out to be the single most disasterous ruling by SCOTUS since the Dred Scott case in the mid-1800s, because of how much power it has now given to corporations.

It affectes literally EVERYTHING, including this very website and the entire liberal blogosphere- we are only here because the corporations that own the millions of miles of cables and the satellites that make this medium possible - the Internet - haven’t been given full permission to regulate it however they want.  Net neutrality isn’t about getting something we don’t yet have, it’s about preventing us from losing that which we already have and take for granted - unfettered equal access to the free flow of information on the Internet.  With tiered access structures, your ISP can decide that they only want to allow enough bandwidth to a website like Pandagon that it will literally take 15 minutes to load a single page - and then nobody will come here anymore.  As much as I love Amanda, Jesse, and Pam’s writing - I’m not gonna wait 15 minutes to read a single blog post.

So if you’re thinking “this won’t impact me, I only read blogs and don’t rely on mainstream media for information”, guess again… the World Wide Web as we know it may have just been given a death sentence.  Yes, corporations even control this space.  And if you think it isn’t possible for them to take away our progressive websites… ask someone who lives in China what is possible when it comes to restricting access to anti-authority viewpoints on the Internet.

Comment #69: DTG in STL  on  01/22  at  02:00 PM

BTW, I wonder if KO knows the difference between “tea partying” and “tea bagging”.

Some of the ‘activists’ and commentators don’t, according to this from last April on the Rachel Maddow Show:

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  They‘re going to try and send teabags to D.C.

D.C. - teabag the White House. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Teabag the fools in D.C. 

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW:  Teabagging.  After spending weeks mailing teabags to members of Congress, conservative activists next week say they plan to hold tea parties to proverbially teabag the White House.  And they don‘t want to teabag alone, if that‘s even possible.  They want you to start teabagging, too.

They want you to teabag Obama on Twitter.  They want you to, quote, “send your teabag and teabag Obama on Facebook.”  They want you to teabag liberal dems before they teabag you.  And all this nonconsensual conservative teabagging is just the start.

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Score one for the tea baggers. Those silly folks with their silly protests and their often silly signs and silly outfits and silly rants. Who’s silly now?

The folks laughing at them? Or, in California, the elected leaders who now clearly have to answer to them?

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Comment #70: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  01/23  at  12:17 PM
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