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Lord Saletan’s House O’ Compromise (With New Salad Bar!)

imageWill Saletan is going to end this culture war - DEAD.  With savage rationality and terrifying correctitude, Saletan will sprint onto the minefield of social discord that mars the American body politic and fuck that shit up until it cries.  How, dear readers, will he do this?  By being sensible, duh.

PRESIDENT OBAMA wants to end the culture wars. He recently called for “common ground” on abortion reduction and an end to the “stale and fruitless debate” over family planning. His joint address to Congress this week could be an opportunity to change that debate. But to make a real difference, he’ll have to tell two truths that the left and the right don’t want to hear: that morality has to be practical, and that practicality requires morals.

I don’t know which one of those two things I don’t want to hear, but for the sake of moving this along to the payoff, I’ll presume it’s the second one.  Boo, morals!  Morals eat poop!

Start with abortion. Pro-lifers tend to show up after a woman is pregnant, imagining that laws and preaching will make her bear a child she doesn’t want. They’re mistaken. Worse, they’re too late. To prevent abortions, we have to prevent unintended pregnancies.

I’m a liberal - when do I not start with abortion?  Why, just yesterday, one of my friends called me up and asked me to coffee, and I said, “No, I’m going to have to abort that plan.”  A slight pause later, my friend’s voice came through the phone, “You scamp!  You aborted before I even knew what you were-”  I aborted the phone call mid-sentence, building up one of my Planned Parenthood-sponsored Abortion Surpluses.  Soon, I’m going to trade it in for an Abortion Wall Clock when I get enough points.

Skipping over Saletan’s thorough investigation of the liberal and conservative answers to unintended pregnancies (both of which are wrong, obviously), we get this:

This isn’t a shortage of pills or condoms. It’s a shortage of cultural and personal responsibility. It’s a failure to teach, understand, admit or care that unprotected sex can lead to the creation — and the subsequent killing, through abortion — of a developing human being.

Well, could it have anything to do with a federally financed system of sexual education, coupled with a rather fervent religious movement all designed to convince people that contraceptives don’t work?  Of course the fuck not.  Instead, liberals should concede that they believe in state-sponsored murder and conservatives should concede that they were right all along.  It’s a hard and difficult path for those on the right, being held up by the continued insistence of liberals that physical barriers to conception help prevent unwanted pregnancies.  The gall of us.

Thankfully, though, Saletan has a solution.  A grand solution.  A compromise solution.  Because we want the extra page clicks and you want to know how we can end the fight over abortion forever, the solution’s after the cut.

Our challenge is to put these two issues together. For liberals, that means taking abortion seriously as an argument for contraception. We should make the abortion rate an index of national health, like poverty or infant mortality. The president should report progress, or lack thereof, in the State of the Union. Reproductive-health counselors must speak bluntly to women who are having unprotected sex. And as Mr. Obama observed last year, men must learn that “responsibility does not end at conception.” [Emphasis added.]

Suppose that you could end poverty as a social ill just by outlawing it.  Would you do it?

Suppose that I directly equated abortion to poverty as a social ill.  Do you see the problem?  With your liberal abortion eyes?

This isn’t a solution to the culture wars.  It’s walking out of the trenches with a giant funnel on your chest to make sure all the bullets hit you directly in the heart.  It’s entirely possible to do everything else Saletan proposes (and, in fact, those are things that are being done as we speak by real live people with brains and voices and shit) without falsely equating abortion to poverty or infant mortality or murder.  But why do something intelligent when you could not?

Conservatives, in turn, need to face the corollary truth: A culture of life requires an ethic of contraception. Birth control isn’t a sin or an offense against life, as so many girls and Catholic couples have been taught. It’s a loving, conscientious way to prevent the conception of a child you can’t bear to raise and don’t want to abort. It’s an act of responsibility and respect for life.

There’s nothing in this sentence I disagree with, but “loosen up and let people use a dollar’s worth of contraception to prevent an abortion” is not equivalent to “admit you’re murderers and then change federal policy to measure your now-admitted genocide”, unless every single one of those words means something different and is hopefully about donuts, because I haven’t had a good donut in a very long time. 

What Saletan is proposing is a continuation of his thesis from his 2004 book, Bearing Right: by adopting “conservative” rhetoric (i.e., privacy and limited government, which I always believed in as a liberal), conservatives “won” the abortion war - which they’ve somehow unwon, because they’re terrible at wars and babies.  (Ha, ha!)

To make his theory correct again, liberals need to go even further in adopting conservative rhetoric, much like they need to go even further in actually adopting all the babies they’ll no longer be murdering once the culture wars are over.  The problem that Saletan is seeking to solve (making contraception more readily available as the surest and most reliable way to reduce the abortion rate) isn’t solved by destroying abortion as a viable and legal option any more than you get people to eat more healthily by calling bypass surgery Heart Hitlerization.  Abortion is a right, and it is a social necessity so long as there is possibility that someone may have sex without contraception, or without proper use of contraception, whatever the backstory.  It makes no sense whatsoever to concede all moral ground on abortion in order to promote better contraception policy, especially when you can justify both abortion and contraception as social necessities. 

You can read more in my upcoming book, Swinging Left: How Everything Republicans Say And Do Is Actually Good For Democrats: Give Up, Losers

 

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Posted by Jesse Taylor on 12:48 PM • (57) Comments

For liberals, that means taking abortion seriously as an argument for contraception.

Dang!  I so wish I’d thought of this.  Also, liberals need to take Social Security seriously and should consider the benefits of free public education.

Comment #1: Michael Bérubé  on  02/22  at  01:03 PM

What you have just done is blown my mind.

Comment #2: Jesse Taylor  on  02/22  at  01:05 PM

If you’ve read Douglas Adam’s Hitchhiker’s Guide To The Galaxy the whole saletan song and dance is eerily familiar.  It’s the scene where the two philosophers are arguing about the answer to the question of “life, the universe and everything” and why a computer should not be allowed to answer it.  It basically comes down to wrecking their gravy train.

There’s few things scarier than people who believe their own bullshit and I’ve come to think that many of these buffoons in the media completely believe their own crap anymore.  No one with much intelligence can read, for example, the stuff you cite above and not see the lunacy but it feels sooo good, it sounds sooo moderate and right and the words just ooze wanting to be moral and Do The Right Thingish that, well, it must be wisdom.

Comment #3: ice weasel  on  02/22  at  01:05 PM

Obama and the conservatives do have common ground: having an unwanted baby is condign punishment for sex.

Comment #4: Hector B.  on  02/22  at  01:23 PM

Saletan keeps coming back to this, even though he knows that the anti-choice side also promotes an anti-contraception agenda, because what they oppose is not killing fetuses per se, but sex and women’s liberation.  He’s absorbed the information, but he just waves it off as if conservatives who strongly oppose STD and unwanted pregnancy prevention are indulging a small fetish that has nothing to do with their opposition to abortion.  Only by getting that they really, truly are anti-woman and anti-sex can you even begin to deal with them.  But then you have to admit that the culture wars won’t be solved with a compromise, because the two sides have fundamentally different values, specifically different ideas about what women are for.

Comment #5: Amanda Marcotte  on  02/22  at  01:32 PM

Saletan is the new Broder. “Bi-partisan cooperation” as the acceptance of right-wing nonsense is his “intellectual” raison d’etre.

Comment #6: MAJeff, the God of Biscuits  on  02/22  at  01:41 PM

Liberals must

admit or care that unprotected sex can lead to the creation — and the subsequent killing, through abortion — of a developing human being.

and

Conservatives, in turn, need to face the corollary truth: A culture of life requires an ethic of contraception.

Shorter Saletan:  If everyone changed their views and agreed with me, then the culture wars would be over!

I wish I had thought of this.  Think of all the problems we could solve!

Comment #7: rufustfyrfly  on  02/22  at  01:54 PM

Oh here we go with the shortage of “personal responsibility”.  It wasn’t the peanut butter company getting away with shipping contaminated peanut butter that sent me on a wild mission to capture and destroy that Clif Bar I put into my son’s lunch and sent him to school with minutes before Costco called to tell me that it was tainted - I’m just a bad mom who can’t control myself when it comes to packing lunches!  It wasn’t Madoff’s ability to steal without oversight, it was his bad morals!

Lets devolve all discussions of the government’s role in our lives to our morality!  That’s because Abstinence Only Education and DARE have been scientifically proven to <strike>be useless</strike> work so well!

Comment #8: Ms Kate  on  02/22  at  01:58 PM

Does Saletan have any idea that forced-birthers claim that the Pill—the most effective form of contraception short of permanent sterilization—is “really” abortion and so it should be banned as well?

How can you even try to deal rationally with completely irrational people?  It would be like making concessions that, yes, maybe the Martians will show up to invade us someday, so we have to put 25% of our budget towards that possibility every year.

Comment #9: Mnemosyne  on  02/22  at  02:04 PM

“Saletan is the new Broder.”

What do you mean, new? At least regarding abortion, he has sung this tune for years.

Comment #10: _IM_  on  02/22  at  02:04 PM

Reproductive-health counselors must speak bluntly to women who are having unprotected sex.

This, really, is the creepiest part of the whole thing.  In which young, sex-having women are sat down in front of an authority figure who—much like Saletan!—is passionate in his belief that abortion is wrong and contraception is OK.  This person proceeds to give these sex-having women a lecture on the irresponsibility of unprotected sex, and the dirty dirty wrongness of abortion. 

Men who are having unprotected sex (do such creatures exist in Saletan’s world?) are pretty much left alone until they impregnate someone.

Comment #11: rufustfyrfly  on  02/22  at  02:09 PM

“It would be like making concessions that, yes, maybe the Martians will show up to invade us someday, so we have to put 25% of our budget towards that possibility every year.”

There was once a frontpage story in the Economist demanding serious investments in planet-wide defenses against…
the danger of asteriods hitting the earth.

Comment #12: _IM_  on  02/22  at  02:10 PM

maybe the Martians will show up to invade us someday, so we have to put 25% of our budget towards that possibility every year

Will Saletan finds your ideas intriguing and wishes to subscribe to your newsletter.

Comment #13: Michael Bérubé  on  02/22  at  02:10 PM

Bipartisanship. Compromise. Practicality. Uh, Immoral Genocide.

One of these things is not like the other.
How come the solution to conflict with conservatives is always for liberals to admit they’re wrongdiddlyong? And who’s going to break the news to those thoughtful pragmatists in the Dakotas and Palinstan that their exception for rape and incest has, unfortunately, been declined because, sorry chap, the practical thing to do has given rapists “genocide-circumvention compromise veto power”?

Comment #14: serena kitt  on  02/22  at  02:11 PM

I like Saletan’s wholesale takeover of theology. Those Catholics who believe birth control is bad are just wrong! They should try being right, like Saletan, instead!

I mean, I agree that contraception isn’t sinful because I don’t give the slightest credence to the concept of “sin” in the first place. But good luck redefining sin for the Catholics and persuading them that the infallible pronouncements of a series of popes have just been wrong, Saletan.

Like rufustfyrfly said, Saletan is merely looking for all sides to make wholesale changes in their entire belief systems in order to agree with him. No, I’m not prepared to define abortion as “the killing of a developing human being.”

Can the universe just respond to Saletan by saying, like a mocking 11-year-old, “That’s what you think”?

Comment #15: Orange  on  02/22  at  02:17 PM

“We should make the abortion rate an index of national health, like poverty or infant mortality.”

So that we can then cease, as a nation, to give a shit about it?

“Reproductive-health counselors must speak bluntly to women who are having unprotected sex.  And as Mr. Obama observed last year, men must learn that “responsibility does not end at conception.”“

...what?  So women are responsible for not conceiving, but men are responsible for…being responsible for all those kids women shouldn’t have been conceiving in the first place?  Nice.

Comment #16: preying mantis  on  02/22  at  02:25 PM

Saletan and Amy Sullivan really just need to get a room.

Comment #17: pseudonymous in nc  on  02/22  at  02:27 PM

Well, we all know that Bipartisan Compromise is Republican for “Republicans are losing/out of power.” Because when they are winning, they shove their boots right up our ass, figuratively speaking. Ahem.

I wish to point out, if others have not done so, that abortion will be necessary as an option as long as contraception is fallible. There are many very responsible people who use their contraception 100% of the time, exactly as directed. But there is no contraceptive that always works.

When I was young, it was easy to waltz over to the campus Planned Parenthood and get any and all contraceptives I wanted, for pennies. I really don’t know how it is now, but I want that ease of access for every person of childbearing age, always. Things worked out for me, and I never needed a backup, but that didn’t prevent nightmares—literally—at times when I simply could not afford to have a child: emotionally, economically, educationally, relationship wise, or any way at all.

I now have 2 children who I love more than my life, a good marriage, and a Ph.D. I got them in reverse order to that listed. I was a Planned Parent. Thank you Planned Parenthood!

Comment #18: means are the ends  on  02/22  at  02:27 PM

We should make the abortion rate an index of national health, like poverty or infant mortality.

As opposed to making it an index of women’s health, like heart disease or breast cancer.

I wish some pharmaceutical companies would start an ad campaign for a new wonder drug that can “reduce your chances of unwanted pregnancy and abortion by 95%”. 

I mean, if reducing your risk of needing bypass surgery by 30% is considered a HUGE health benefit, shouldn’t reducing your risk of needing a surgical abortion by 95% be considered a necessity?

Or maybe “reduce your chances of severe heart burn, diabetes, and preeclampsia by 95%” ...

Comment #19: Dorothy  on  02/22  at  02:32 PM

Oh, and PS, no one sat me down and lectured me about anything. I came up with my contraceptive plan all by my own self! Amazing, that I was able to do that without Saletan’s help!

Comment #20: means are the ends  on  02/22  at  02:34 PM

I’d like to weigh in on this discussion as someone who has had an abortion—and we WANTED a baby. Abortions aren’t just for those who are minimized as floozies who can’t keep their knees together (or can’t be bothered with birth control).

Our second pregnancy had us excited; our first child was wonderful (exhausting, exhilarating, rewarding, all that)—we wanted more children. Diapers? Crying jags at 3 am? Fingers in our eyes? YES! Bring ‘em on. Since becoming parents, we suddenly became parents to every child on the planet: See a kid who looked lost, you HAVE to help. Cry when you read about abused kids in the paper. If we had enough money I’d adopt every needy kid on the planet.

BUT. Our second pregnancy presented some unusual indications in the NT scan. The scan isn’t diagnostic, it only suggests a follow-up genetic test via amniocentesis. Due to biology, the window where amnio is available is at the end of the first trimester. Long story short; our baby had an extra chromosome on the 18th pair, otherwise known as “Trisomy 18”.  Trisomy 21 is commonly known as “Down’s Syndrome”, and has a wide spectrum of effects, from mild to extreme. Trisomy 18 is invariably fatal. Occasionally the child survives to birth, but rarely survives long enough to even be able to go home from the hospital. Multiple organ failures.

We felt we could neither let the child or ourselves suffer. We had an abortion.

Comment #21: UnimaginativeUsername  on  02/22  at  02:37 PM

Amanda. I still correspond, although with less frequency, with a used to be friend from religious childhood days.  I say used to be because having left the fold so to speak I my life wouldn’t be worth a plug nickel in his hands.  He continually engages in rhetoric about how he would adopt rather than see an abortion and although he is certainly in financial shape to adopt and how many in plenty he never has and never will.

The man is educated and holds a Phd., in Education no less, but discussing abortion, contraception or evolution you might as well be talking to a wall.  I sent him the picture accompanying one of your articles (the one of the sperm swimming toward the egg) as he constantly refers to “the innocent baby” in any discussion about abortion.  I thought the picture illustrated the absurdness of such talk, at the moment the sperm fertilizes the egg where is the baby?  Where is the innocence? I asked.  To be innocent of something would presume the capability of guilt, I don’t see anything even resembling a human being capable of either.

Efforts at reasoned discussion invariably descend into written shouts of baby killer, murderer and why don’t you open your own abortion clinic and so on.  He is very pro death penalty, of course, I try to ask innocent questions like at what age is it OK to kill them after they are born and I get back things like when they do very bad things and know the difference and the usual taking in the circumstances, place and manner.  I point out that many a two year old would certainly qualify and still I get no where.  I realized after many futile efforts at reasoned discussion that it is impossible to have a reasoned discussion or compromise because they have absolutely no interest in truth or fact only their beliefs.  Their beliefs are so far out that they could literally kill you in your sleep and feel, as if they had by so doing, assured themselves a seat at the right hand of God in the hereafter since you oppose their Godly policies.  If challenged enough he will invariable sink to lying and personal attacks, later apologize and before the day is out go right back to the same stuff. They scare the hell out of me and should everyone else.  There is no reason there to compromise with and to think otherwise is to engage in self deceit.  They are determined to save you if they have to kill you to do it and since you’re not an innocent baby it is quite OK.

Comment #22: knowdoubt  on  02/22  at  02:55 PM

I can recall a case from the Cincinnati area maybe 15-20 years ago where the woman very publicly refused to have an abortion despite the fact that the fetus was very clearly dead. Because abortion is baby killing, and, uh, so what if the baby is already dead? These people mystify me.

(On another note, monitoring asteroids and small bodies near the Earth is not such a bad idea. It’s a low probability, but it does happen. See, for example, the Tunguska event in 1908. Not to say we should be spending a lot of money on it, though.)

Comment #23: befuggled  on  02/22  at  02:57 PM

Ps. That should read, “adopt many in plenty,” I don’t know how the “and how” crept in there, got me on my blind side , I guess.

Comment #24: knowdoubt  on  02/22  at  03:00 PM

“(On another note, monitoring asteroids and small bodies near the Earth is not such a bad idea. It’s a low probability, but it does happen. See, for example, the Tunguska event in 1908. Not to say we should be spending a lot of money on it, though.)”

Well that was the argument in the Economist: the probability is low, but it does happen and the Tunguska event being in a unsettled region sheer luck, one should be prepared. Because if it ahppens the cost will be very high. But I think teh article was a boon for the science editor, space being his or her hobby-horse.

Comment #25: _IM_  on  02/22  at  03:05 PM

What do you mean, new?

“young” and “replacement for when Broder finally kicks off”

Comment #26: MAJeff, the God of Biscuits  on  02/22  at  03:10 PM

Jesse, can you add a link to the article you’re responding to?  It sounds like every other piece Saletan has written about abortion (Liberals must admit it’s murder!!1!), so I want to make sure I’m reading the right one.

Comment #27: evil_fizz  on  02/22  at  03:11 PM

> What do you mean, new?

“young” and “replacement for when Broder finally kicks off” <

I did understand you, but couldn’t resist the temptation to field a useless rhetorical question. And Saletan does write this piece on abortion every six months since some years.

Comment #28: _IM_  on  02/22  at  03:16 PM

Ah, unimaginative username, Edward’s Syndrome.

My first born had a choroid plexus cyst, which is an indicator.  Level II ultrasound proved he was healthy.  Everyone rushed to make sure all the tests were done before 24 weeks.  I knew they were protecting my right to abort, even though no one ever said the word to me.

I decided that I would not terminate, and that however long he lived, that was his life.  I completely and totally understand people who decide differently.  It’s a horrible place to be, and no one should have to make that decision, but people *are* put in that position and they *do* have to make that decision.  And there’s no single ‘right’ decision.

My children’s vice-principal was not so lucky.  Her very-much-wanted baby was diagnosed with Edwards.  She also planned to have the baby and to be an advocate for him and then he died in utero.  This was right when Congress, in its infinite wisdom, was making intact dilation illegal.  The best method for preserving her fertility and for providing them with a body to hold and bury was taken away.

Those motherfuckers.  So few abortions are performed in the third trimester.  They aren’t performed for fun.  How dare anyone interfere with any family’s tragedy.

Comment #29: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  02/22  at  03:41 PM

Now that Bill Saletan has sorted the whole abortion issue, he can now write compromise columns on things like “What is the One, True Religion?” and “Was It Right To Have Greedo Shoot First?”

Comment #30: Michael Clear  on  02/22  at  03:53 PM

admit or care that unprotected sex can lead to the creation — and the subsequent killing, through abortion — of a developing human being.

Hmm.

I propose a compromise Conservatives can live with.  Perhaps teh FetusAmerican WANTS to be aborted to help its mother.  Or perhaps not.  But they can’t speak, lacking mouths.  Or brains.

So I propose that FetusAmericans be allowed their full Second Amendmnet rights.  Any FetusAmerican is entitled, nay encouraged to purchase their very own handgun for the defence of their very own WombHome, and is entitled to shoot any abortion doctor who tries to winkle them out.  A FetusAmerican who refuses to exercise their Second Amendment right is obviously consenting to being aborted.

Compromise, dammit!

Comment #31: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  02/22  at  04:01 PM

There was once a frontpage story in the Economist demanding serious investments in planet-wide defenses against…
the danger of asteriods hitting the earth.
_IM_ on 02/22 at 09:10 AM

Now, as military-industrial complex boondoggles go, that one is really not so bad.

Aside from the possibility we might actually need it for the stated purpose someday, it would be nice (in times when we aren’t utterly desperate to solve immediate crises, such as now, anyway) to develop some of the capabilities that project would imply—increased lift capacity into orbit, build up infrastructure there, not to mention serious and possibly beneficial research of the asteroids in general. Cool.

Of course it clearly is a military/industrial boondoggle, and that is fraught with risks and costs beyond just how much its budget would be. Certainly any system that could divert asteroids away from Earth could also divert them toward targets on Earth; anything that could blow up an incoming object (at least down to the point where the fragments all burn up in the atmosphere) would certainly be another weapon and perhaps with capabilities not currently in the inventory.

The devil would be in the details of who builds it and who controls it; if it were actually controlled by some international body somehow committed to keeping the peace perhaps that would leave us better off. Good luck developing such benign Watchers, especially building on the existing MIC of the Western nations!

Comment #32: Mark Foxwell  on  02/22  at  04:11 PM

Saletan is exactly the kind of hand-wringing, oh-let’s-be-fair-to-both-sides yutz who makes me a little ashamed sometimes to call myself a liberal.

Comment #33: Bitter Scribe  on  02/22  at  04:17 PM

The devil would be in the details of who builds it and who controls it;

Well, the minor detail that we have no idea how to actually do it is also a problem.  Firing a nuke at it doesn’t do the job, and Bruce Willis is a little too old to shoot into space (although it’s worth considering just on general principle).

Comment #34: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  02/22  at  04:20 PM

Yeah, and it sells magazines/advertising. In theory, anyway. Which (leading back to the topic) is perhaps why Saletan takes the position he does. Would he get this many clicks if he weren’t such an ass?

Comment #35: befuggled  on  02/22  at  04:20 PM

“Common ground” apparently means “liberals, STFU!”

Comment #36: Jasmine  on  02/22  at  04:22 PM

I’m fine with putting Saletan in orbit, provided we send him up there without any way to communicate back to us.

Comment #37: befuggled  on  02/22  at  04:23 PM

The devil would be in the details of who builds it and who controls it;

Oh come on. That is a classical Starfleet task. We just need a starship, and then we use the tractor beam or in cases of larger asteroids photon torpedos…

Comment #38: _IM_  on  02/22  at  04:29 PM

It sounds like every other piece Saletan has written about abortion

It’s just sad.  He’s so thoroughly convinced that this idea is brilliant, and has been screaming about it for years.  And yet the rest of the country goes about our business, holding our own opinions while only he and Amy Sullivan can see the One True Way through the culture war.  He doesn’t even need to say anything about it anymore.  It’s his brand.  The argument is synonymous with the name Saletan.

And yet he keeps writing the same article over and over, always acting like he has—just now!—discovered this brilliant strategy.  Maybe if he writes the article one more time, he can find that magical combination of words which will instantly convince everyone of the fundamental Rightness of his argument.

Comment #39: rufustfyrfly  on  02/22  at  04:37 PM

“And yet he keeps writing the same article over and over, always acting like he has—just now!—discovered this brilliant strategy.”

To use the language of Joseph Conrad: He has got an easy billet.

Comment #40: _IM_  on  02/22  at  04:41 PM

I have a great idea for Saletan:

Go over to the catholic church, all the wingnut churches, and all the racist crazies who want to eliminate birth control for poor women (first). Get them to agree—publically, in writing and on video that they will now support a culture of contraception and will give up their bullsh*t about the pill or Plan B having anything to do with abortion. When you’ve done all that, and have the public pronouncements from anti-choice leaders and the legislation from anti-choice politicians to prove it, come back and we’ll talk. We may not agree with your idea even then, but until you’ve done those things, you’re just a wanker. (Which at least is non-reproductive sex, so good on you for that.)

Comment #41: paul  on  02/22  at  05:07 PM

This isn’t a shortage of pills or condoms. It’s a shortage of cultural and personal responsibility. It’s a failure to teach, understand, admit or care that unprotected sex can lead to the creation — and the subsequent killing, through abortion — of a developing human being.

Because when a patient decides that termination is in her best social/health interest that just doesn’t count as cultural and personal responsibility.

Also, if only it were possible for women to understand, admit or care about, you know, stuff (unprotected sex, pregnancy, medical procedures) there’d be no abortions. But since that’s not possible, we move “developing human being” (not Martian, mind you, human!) ahead of the cue, and subsequently kill, through forced pregnancy and illegal abortion as many developed human women as we can find. Voila, legal abortion problem solved!

Comment #42: ema  on  02/22  at  05:59 PM

Is Saletan the Camille Paglia (sp) of Slate? Anyway, in his defense, he doesn’t call for outlawing abortion outright, does he. He just wants its practitioners to die of immorality regardless of the many worthy and justifiable circumstances discussed above.

And I’m guessing when he hears the equal and opposite outrage from the anti-choice blogs, he’ll conclude since he made both sides angry he must be on the right trail.

Comment #43: daphne  on  02/22  at  09:58 PM

Not sure that I would ever trust the proletarian motives of someone who fancies himself gentry.

Comment #44: Ms Kate  on  02/22  at  10:18 PM

Will there be equal and opposit outrage from the anti-choice blogs, or do they treat him as the useful idiot he is?

Comment #45: paul  on  02/22  at  10:23 PM

I really dig how reproductive health counselors only need to tell girls that unprotected sex leads to pregnancy.  Since reproduction is for GIRLS and not BOYS.

Comment #46: saraeanderson  on  02/22  at  10:39 PM

Does this guy seriously think that liberals are against contraception and responsibility?  It’s the conservatives who are against that stuff.  So, he’s basically saying that if conservatives could just change their beliefs against birth control, we could drastically reduce the number of abortions.  That’s what I’ve been saying all along!  He seems to think that liberals just love to have unprotected sex and have abortions for fun.

Reproductive-health counselors must speak bluntly to women who are having unprotected sex.

Does he think that doctors don’t do this already?  I had a broken condom once that resulted in an STD, and my doctor gave me a big condescending lecture about protection even though I was already using it.  It seems like he thinks doctors don’t give any advice to the patients that they treat.  He’s right thet doctors need to talk to both women and men that are taking risks with their health, but guess what? Doctors already do this! 

It seems like this guy completely agrees with liberals and just doesn’t realize it because he’s oblivious to the reality of what liberals actually are.  If he realized that we’re not irresponsible monsters who eat fetuses for breakfast, he might find that he has a lot in common with us.

Comment #47: bananacat  on  02/22  at  11:32 PM

I do think that statistics concerning abortion rates are useful, but not as an indicator of morality. Such statistics, and those of contraception use, when combined with total birth rate, “unplanned” birth rate (hard to assess accurately), and infertility rate are a measure of health education and health care delivery. It is a given, or should be to anyone with a grain of sense, that women would rather contracept than abort - for reasons of cost and privacy and avoidance of discomfort. No woman relishes getting in the stirrups or having cramps or having nausea.

I’d make the analogy with maintaining status both on the rate of (juvenile onset, loss of ability to make any insulin) type I diabetes and the rate of characteristic complications like diabetic retinopathy or neuropathy. Diabetes, like fertility, is a chronic condition that can be modified to a degree by education to adjust personal behavior to the needs of the disease, and by technology. Success in managing type I insulin-dependent diabetes is measured by the rate of complications, since there is no cure at present. High rate of complications - maybe the patient education is no good, or the ability to get the materials to best carry out the management is low (ie, can’t afford a decent glucometer and its supplies).

Comment #48: NancyP  on  02/22  at  11:45 PM

Saletan wants to drastically reduce the number of abortions via 1) increased use of bc and 2) banning second trim procedures because he believes abortion kills a, you know, human baby.

None of the above—drastic rate reduction, proposed reduction mechanism, and reason for reduction—have any basis in reality.

So why exactly should this person be taken seriously?

Comment #49: ema  on  02/23  at  12:25 AM

Wow. I get so tired of the old saws about this being the Most Immoral Time Ever.  Lets go back to the good ‘ol days- like really kick it old school- back when Socrates’ “tyrannical youth” were screwing up Ancient Greece…

Or maybe we should set our sights a little closer to home and go back to those Dark Age imps and their Inquisition…

No, I’ve got it.  Let’s just rewind to the early part of last century, and get in on all of that Eugenics clean livin’...

Please.  If abortion is The Moral Scourge of our Time, I’d say we’re doing pretty damn good.  There is no “culture war”.  There are the oppressors, and those they wish to oppress.  Period.  I’m sure many in the oppressor ranks really believe in their party line, but then again, there were (and are) no end of slavery apologists too.

Sorry, Saletan.  There is no “compromise” on bodily integrity.

Comment #50: Neko Onna  on  02/23  at  01:30 AM

Does Saletan have any idea that forced-birthers claim that the Pill—the most effective form of contraception short of permanent sterilization—is “really” abortion and so it should be banned as well?

I believe it’s the IUD that actually is the most effective form of contraception short of sterilization (much less room for human error), but your point stands. Even if the Pill isn’t abortion, the IUD definitely is.

“We should make the abortion rate an index of national health, like poverty or infant mortality.”

So that we can then cease, as a nation, to give a shit about it?

All of a sudden, I’m thinking Saletan’s right for the wrong reasons. This could, indeed, be a way out of the culture wars.

Comment #51: chingona  on  02/23  at  01:45 AM

Wait, what? The conservatives just need to agree to something different than they currently believe?
Did Saletan just fall off the pumpkin wagon, or does he think his readers did?

Comment #52: TedG  on  02/23  at  01:50 AM

Wow, I’ve rarely deviated from the liberal line before, but you guys are revealing to me that I have a deviant view: I don’t see why conceding that abortion is, all other things being equal, something undesirable, automatically means I want to outlaw it. Look, I don’t like spinach. Also, I would be against outlawing spinach. Does that mean I have to go “Yay! Spinach!” anytime the subject comes up? Is the concept of weighing choices too subtle? If you’re hung up on “a fetus is human = a fetus has all the rights of a person”, I would say think some more. A fetus is a POTENTIAL person. If you can’t grasp this, please read some Aristotle. An acorn is a potential oak tree. You can’t get oak trees without acorns. The crime of murder should only apply to ACTUAL persons. There is no reason to assert that the moral status of a fetus is identical to that of a rock. (Is a criminal assault resulting in an unwanted abortion of less concern than killing someone’s cat? Or houseplant?) It’s just that the reasons in favor of allowing abortion far outweigh those in favor of making it illegal. Does that make me some crazed pretentious rightwinger?

Comment #53: metetzky  on  02/23  at  02:20 AM

totally off thread, but

befuggled:

look, EVERYONE knows that the “meteor” in 1908 was REALLY just Tesla testing out his new superhugemegapowerful laser!

*giggle*

Comment #54: denelian  on  02/23  at  04:57 AM

“(Is a criminal assault resulting in an unwanted abortion of less concern than killing someone’s cat? Or houseplant?)”

Only if you’re of the opinion that a criminal assault on a pregnant woman severe enough to cause miscarriage/stillbirth is of less concern than killing someone’s cat?

Comment #55: preying mantis  on  02/23  at  09:41 AM

And Han clearly shot first.

Here’s a test-case (meaning I made it up) theology that includes abortion:

Every pregnancy is a woman’s relationship with God. She enters into the task of making a body to anchor a soul in the world—a soul that God supplies.
It is, however, everywoman’s right to abandon this process, face her collaborator, and lovingly return that soul to God.
No blame applies to this process.

There. see? A theological basis fully in consonance with an idea of God and souls ‘n’ stuff. Nod godless and nihilist and evil. Fully integrab?ocnd n’ ale into a Christian system of morals. That should end all that talk of ‘murder’ and ‘genocide’ right? Doesn’t even violate anything in the Bible.
So why won’t Lord Saletan like it? Because it gives power to woman. Because they are still upset over the power of women to make new conscious beings out of carbohydrates, fats, proteins and a little bit of nucleic acid. They really like justifications for slavery in general, and the idea that these women should be a slave to a process and have it be blessed by God, they love it madly. And since there is, cconveniently, no process that applies to men in a similar slave-like fashion, it’s a nifty proof of the inherent moral and spiritual superiority of the male. A spiritual home run.

Comment #56: pbg  on  02/23  at  11:43 AM

pbg, Wow, that’s more than a home run…, you knocked it out of the park.  Unfortunately, they aren’t listening or gonna hear what you say, in this life or on this side of never, neverland.

Comment #57: knowdoubt  on  02/23  at  12:10 PM
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