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Mad Men Monday: Another day late

Spoilers!

Sorry that “Mad Men” blogging is late yet again.  We were traveling to El Paso, where it’s still 1996 in many ways (especially according to the music in the bowling alley), and internet access was spotty, if available at all.  I didn’t even get to see the show until last night!  So, it’s yet another Tuesday.  Hopefully, next week, things will be back on schedule.

As I’ve noted before, I’m wary of alcoholism as a plot device in the same way I don’t love inflicting any kind of horrible disease on a character to raise the stakes.  I don’t mind having characters that are alcoholics, just if that’s being used as a cheap plot device.  I feel, on “Mad Men”, that we had alcoholic characters all along, but it was played with a bit of subtlety.  Now, we’ve had another episode about how Don has gone way past “functional alcoholic” and deep into “blacking out and losing entire weekends” territory.  Alcoholism is an easy card for drama writers to play, but it rarely means much onscreen besides a stern message about the evils of excess and the horrors of addiction, both of which amount most often to as much as saying, “Cancer sux.”  Are the writers of “Mad Men” going to give us more than that?

So far, I’m still feeling good about this storyline, for a couple of reasons.  One is the usual ability of the “Mad Men” writers to take a done-to-death topic (like, say, “The 60s were a time of tremendous social change!”) and breathing new life into it, often by employing a heavy dose of bluntness that usually makes most writers fearful they’ll scare off the audience. And they usually do a good job of making the shocking stuff onscreen mean something, something more than, “Would you look at that?”  And so far, we’re getting that with the alcoholism storyline. 

Don’s low points aren’t being rendered in quite the same cliched terms that you usually get.  He’s not screaming and throwing things, getting into fights, or getting in accidents.  His personality doesn’t change, but he just becomes less inhibited when he’s drunk.  At the end of the episode, you get the impression that the biggest losses are his ability to control his situation and his mental capacities.  We discover that, since he’s really been hitting the sauce, he’s basically not had a really good idea since they started SCDP.  On the contrary, his big Clio-winning coup was actually created by Peggy, who gets no credit for her work.  And worse, Don gets wasted and steals a crap idea from a crap applicant that he then has to hire. 

Which leads me to my biggest question about the comic parallels drawn in this episode.  We’re led to believe that Don basically used Roger’s alcoholism, albeit in a more crafty way, to get a job.  And Danny stumbles into this job because of Don’s alcoholism, though he doesn’t actually do anything to make that happen.  So, what are we to make of this?  We’re led to believe that Don deserved the job he got, that he was entitled to exploit Roger a little because the Rogers of the world don’t just let the working class Dons of the world in the door. Roger didn’t even look at his work!  But there’s no reason to think Danny actually deserves the job.  In most ways, he’s the opposite of Don—-he’s a hack who is using his connections to get in the door, instead of a talented person who has to use cunning. They’re not the same at all, really.  So why the parallels?  To draw attention to how useless Don has become?  Is Danny a symbol of the mediocrity Don has invited into his life by getting wasted every night?

Entitled hacks were a real theme of the show, which I enjoyed.  The writers took a swipe at the very kind of writing I criticize at top, which is to be shocking for its own sake.  The new art director is pretty much idea-free, but he gets away with it by adopting the persona of a shocking, belligerent artist who is constrained by stupid middle class mores inflicted on him by a sex-withholding matriarchy.  He’s simply ahead of his time, of course—-born a couple decades later and he could go on to found American Apparel and then run it into the ground.  As usual when something on the show is as over the top as this, there’s a conflict.  It seems to buck the norms of restraint that we expect on a critically acclaimed show like this, but on the flip side, to be less than over the top is to sacrifice accuracy.  Douchebags like that are, in the real world, like a million times worse.  Probably more so in the 60s. 


Which leads me to the most interesting aspect for me of this show, which is how it deals with feminist ideas with sympathy and intelligence they almost never get anywhere else.  The conflict between feminists and sexual liberationists who belligerently insist that any resistance to objectification equals prudery is one where the latter camp gets all the sympathy in the vast majority of Hollywood products.  People can’t conceive of a sexual model where women are really treated as full human beings, and therefore they assume that when feminists get bunchy at a bunch of “show us your tits” dudes, it’s because we’re uptight and hung up.  This dude noticed Peggy’s instinctive feminism—-her quiet demands that the world take her seriously as a human being—-and immediately determined it was anti-sex.  After all, what’s less sexy than treating women like human beings?  But the show sided with Peggy every step of the way, including the feminist critique of how female sexuality is portrayed in most pornography, as a commodity item—-female receptacles who give you no grief for sale.  But I was genuinely thrilled at the way they showed Peggy laying waste to this “feminists are just prudes” argument that is still, to this day, flung around if a feminist dares clear her throat in the direction of suggesting that there’s some misogyny afoot when men insist on sexualized images of female humiliation, or use porn as a way to intimidate women they don’t want to deal with.  Getting naked and making it clear that her objections are to his misogyny and not to sex itself?  Brilliant.  If the art director was Dov Charney before his time, then Peggy is Donita Sparks throwing her tampon at the male audience at the Reading festival that objected to having to tolerate female musicians on stage.  Take what they’re so afraid of and shove in their face, ladies!  You’re my heroes. 

The other feminist theme was a bit more complicated, but once again, I love how the writers get to the heart of these problems instead of being distracted by shiny baubles like “prude” and “man hater” being waved by sexists.  Peggy and Don’s relationship is a classic example of the more subtle and frustrating ways that sexism works its magic on women.  The art director flashing KKK images was a nod to the problem—-much of the public only accepts the reality of oppression when it’s overt and dressed in a white hood.  But at the time he’s making the ad, the images are already dated in significant ways.  The civil rights movement had passed a form of formal equality and were beginning to face the far more complex problems of oppression beyond overt laws demanding segregation.  The face of racism was quickly turning from burning crosses and hoods and into politicians demanding “law and order” and complaining about welfare fraud.  In 45 years, they’d be taking a piss on MLK’s grave while pretending to speak for him. 

Don both lifts Peggy up and keeps her in her place, and she knows it, but it’s complicated.  She doesn’t know what to do about it.  Sexism doesn’t always come in an ass-pinching, easily threatened package.  Don wouldn’t call Peggy “toots” or shove porn in her face as if to say, “I don’t care what job you have, you’re still just a vagina on legs to me.”  Don believes Peggy is talented, and he respects her, in his way.  But Don still sees her as a woman, and still believes it’s her job to pick up the slack, show ladylike humility, and play the peace-maker, even when it’s a man that is causing all the problems.  In fact, I’d argue that sometimes Don is hard on Peggy precisely because he knows that she will be treated unfairly her whole life, and he believes that her best bet to succeed is to accept this as the way things are and play the game.  Peggy, however, is beginning to realize that smiling and taking it from dudes will get her a decent job writing ad campaigns that someone else will take credit for, but if she really wants to make it to the top, she’s going to have to break the rules made for women.  She and Don functionally have a disagreement on the best strategies for Peggy to succeed.  To her, Don isn’t an evil sexist.  He’s just wrong.  But what do you do with a man who means the best for you, but is so consistently wrong? 

This is all coming to a head.  Peggy is the creative force holding the agency together, and Don is taking all the credit. There is much love and respect between them, but this cannot last.  I predict that eventually, Peggy will have to suck up all her love for Don and push him out of his job so she can take it.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 09:44 AM • (78) Comments

Mad Men is definitely the most feminist show on television, and episodes like Sunday’s show it at its best. Where would any of them boys be without Peggy and Joan? They run that joint, and Peggy’s increasing assertiveness is going to an interesting place. I don’t think she’ll push Don out of the job - I still think we’re heading to some kind of “Redemption of Donald Draper” angle - but she’s going to get enough leverage to increase her standing within SCDP, to be sure. My main question is, was this rock-bottom for Don, or does he have some falling left to do?

Comment #1: Outlander  on  08/31  at  11:43 AM

So why the parallels?  To draw attention to how useless Don has become?  Is Danny a symbol of the mediocrity Don has invited into his life by getting wasted every night?

The theme of the episode wasn’t only entitled hacks, but a look at the broader question of who gets credit and why. This is an important issue under the new social compact.

The issue with Don, as you note, is that he’s slipping into Roger (and Danny) territory, claiming credit for feats that aren’t really his. The HR/4th Purpose Culture that’s gaining ascendence at the time rewards this—when it comes to getting ahead, competence takes a back seat to things like social connections, incumbency/seniority, superficial image, cults of personality, arguing from (false) authority, and social status (which is, as always in America, often a cover for race and sex).

People who understand that are able to ensure the others “print the legend” for them, and make their definition of “real” take precedence over reality. The douchebag art director may be ahead of his time, but Don is struggling to get with the times. All part of the season’s over-arching theme: “how do we make a new start?”

That he’s been failing miserably at it, and abandoning his commitment to competence and merit in the process, is the latest addition to the Don Draper/Dick Whitman Bag O’ Self-Loathing.

Comment #2: Gracchus.  on  08/31  at  11:48 AM

It only occurred to me Monday morning that Don’s lost weekend may have been more orchestrated than it seemed. Who was that woman targeting Don so suddenly for seduction, asking for him like he’s her favorite brand?

And after the financial pounding Don delivered Chaough—why was he still so breezily confident and in-your-face at the Clio’s?

Dick Whitman is a name that can fell a lot of dominoes, and we may have just watched the first one tumble out of a high-storey window Sunday night.

Comment #3: Yamara  on  08/31  at  11:52 AM

Where would any of them boys be without Peggy and Joan?

Without a hand to hold. I loved the whole Joan arc in that episode, from the Marilyn clone in the flashback to how she handled all things Clio.

Peggy may end up running creative at SCDP or elesewhere 20 years down the line, but at that point Joan will be the most ruthless and ultra-competent VP of HR on 6th Ave.

Comment #4: Gracchus.  on  08/31  at  11:56 AM

And after the financial pounding Don delivered Chaough—why was he still so breezily confident and in-your-face at the Clio’s?

He’s a dickhead with a massive ego—they tend to rebound quickly. The phony general (more false authority) only helped.

That was another nice touch—how Roger counters false authority BS with his own shopworn false authority. He’s probably been using that “how many Xs can you name?” dick-move line since he was a kid—I wouldn’t be surprised if his mother taught him that one, too.

Comment #5: Gracchus.  on  08/31  at  12:01 PM

The theme of “taking credit” extended to Roger, too.  He took credit for discovering Don when, in fact, Don discovered Roger and weaseled his way into Sterling Cooper on his own initiative.  Roger gave Don the brush-off every single time they met, but Don just refused to be brushed.

Comment #6: DBK  on  08/31  at  12:08 PM

But what do you do with a man who means the best for you, but is so consistently wrong?

This! One of my first feminist epiphanies came to me in the front seat of my dad’s car. I was 12 or 13. My older brother was preparing to go to college, and my dad and I were talking about The Future. I was the most precocious of my siblings, so grownups liked to amuse themselves about what I would do (“Brain Surgeon!” “Rocket Scientist!” “Hee, no, stop!”) at a time when most careers just weren’t open to women. My dad asked me if I wanted to go to college, and I said yes. He thought for a moment and decided that I probably could, although it would only likely result in me getting work as “a secretary, teacher or stewardess.” (This was a man who hadn’t gone to college, and had married a woman with an Ivy League degree who became a teacher.)

As I sat in the car, I knew my dad was wrong.  I didn’t have anything to base that certainty on, so I couldn’t argue with him, but I knew it nonetheless. I knew I could do whatever I wanted to do, however hard it was. I felt a little bad for him, because he didn’t know how wrong he was. It was not only my first feminist epiphany, it was the first moment when I saw the flaws in my parents and began becoming myself.

Go Peggy!

Comment #7: benvolio  on  08/31  at  12:11 PM

Roger gave Don the brush-off every single time they met, but Don just refused to be brushed.

And in the end, they both handed out jobs to people they didn’t want to because they were blackout drunks. Roger couldn’t even recognise Don’s talent initially because of his own sexism (“Why wait for a man to buy you a fur coat?”—“stupid”), but now he’s the hero of the story. Somehow I think Don won’t want to claim credit for Danny in the same way that Roger has for Don.

Comment #8: Gracchus.  on  08/31  at  12:14 PM

But watch Don claiming credit for Peggy ten years down the line.

If we don’t see Roger taking credit for Don’s ideas in a future flashback (future flashback?), I will be surprised and disappointed.

Comment #9: DBK  on  08/31  at  12:23 PM

This episode confused me on a minor point - I thought early in the show, Roger said to Joan something like, “this past year has been the happiest of my life.” One year. Yet they were together before Don came to the agency, so how long had Don been working there by the time the show started? He was already Mr. Hot Shit by then. Or did I misunderstand how long Roger and Joan were having an affair?

Comment #10: Veronica  on  08/31  at  12:40 PM

Possibly they have an on again and off again affair

That bit where Don was mumbling about nostalgia was depressing.

Comment #11: pharmakos  on  08/31  at  12:46 PM

But watch Don claiming credit for Peggy ten years down the line.

That’s different, because it’s earned credit. Don recognised her talent and drive, and didn’t give her the job because he was in an alcoholic stupor.

This episode confused me on a minor point - I thought early in the show, Roger said to Joan something like, “this past year has been the happiest of my life.

I think it was a continuity error. But I still loved seeing 1950s Joan, so I’ll forgive them.

Comment #12: Gracchus.  on  08/31  at  12:46 PM

That bit where Don was mumbling about nostalgia was depressing.

Especially considering that the last time he talked about nostalgia in a client pitch it was for the Kodak Carousel, back when he was at the top of his game. He’s such a mess that he’s even plagiarising from himself, and not very well.

Comment #13: Gracchus.  on  08/31  at  12:49 PM

I wonder if the writers brought in Duck in this episode to foreshadow what’s ahead for Don. Contrast him with Freddy, who for all his pissing-his-pants drunkenness, is still married and presumably loved, while Duck and Don are not.  They never mentioned Duck joining AA or doing anything other than trying on his own to stay sober, so presumably he doesn’t have a support system either.  Don doesn’t have the openness needed to develop one.  He’s going to have to start developing real friendships to get better.  It’s going to be interesting to see where his alcoholism takes him.

Comment #14: Ron O.  on  08/31  at  01:15 PM

The theme of the episode wasn’t only entitled hacks, but a look at the broader question of who gets credit and why.

Read this sentence, said “gracchus post”, checked to see I was right, and started counting sentences until I saw “HR/4th Purpose culture.”

It was not a long count.

Comment #15: Dan  on  08/31  at  01:30 PM

That’s why it was no depressing. If there had been no carousel scene I would have just put it down as more drunken garbage. Pity Don can’t be more like House (obviously very different shows) where the addiction thing works to deepen the character instead of making him a diluted mess.

Still though there was the bit with Peggy taking off her clothes, that was a real you are so full of bullshit and I’m calling you on it and proving to you that you are full of bullshit moment.

The show needs more Joan though.

Comment #16: pharmakos  on  08/31  at  01:34 PM

Interesting piece but you got one major plot point wrong.  Peggy didn’t do the heavy lifting on the Glo Coat ad.  She came up with the idea for the kid, but the Old West theme and other parts were from Don.  She claimed that she didn’t get enough credit and wondered why she wasn’t invited to the awards show, but she most certainly didn’t take full credit for the ad. 

The actual theme was about people wanting credit for shared ideas; so Roger wanting Don to tell him that he couldn’t have done it without him was similar to Peggy’s insistence that she was being overlooked.

Comment #17: davis.seth  on  08/31  at  01:38 PM

There was some theme with false idioms going on. “That’s not how that goes.”
Aspiration is as good as perspiration.
Be careful what you’ll wish for, because you’ll get it, and then somebody will get jealous and try to take it away from you.
There was at least one other I can’t remember now. But I tied in with how most of the characters in this episode had some falsified memory of how things have happened (Roger) or false perceptions of what’s in front of them (how Don and Rizzo see Peggy).

I was wondering where I’d heard the term “Waldorf Stories” before and, from what I can glean from the Internets, they’re fables and fairy tales in their original, gorey, non-Disney form.
http://herbnites.tripod.com/waldorfinspiredschool/id4.html

Comment #18: snobographer  on  08/31  at  01:43 PM

@17 - She said Don put the cowboy hat on the kid. The general concept, meaning the kid in the under-the-table jail waiting for the floor to dry - was Peggy’s.

Comment #19: snobographer  on  08/31  at  01:48 PM

They never mentioned Duck joining AA or doing anything other than trying on his own to stay sober, so presumably he doesn’t have a support system either.

Just as an aside, but just once I’d like to see a show where alcoholism isn’t something that requires AA (or equivalent) to be controlled.  The long-term success rate for AA is exactly the same as it is for individuals who just decide to stop and don’t go looking for some kind of support group, and I know a number of people who’ve done the latter: one day they simply decided they weren’t going to drink any more when they realized it was becoming a problem.  Some have relapsed but a few haven’t.

Not to say there’s anything wrong with support groups per se, and clearly some people need them, but not everyone.

Comment #20: KeithM  on  08/31  at  01:52 PM

It was not a long count.

Heh. I know, but expect more of the same, since the writers continue to work the theme they established last season. I’m gonna point it out every time, because they integrate it in such interesting ways and don’t make its proponents out-and-out villains (they’re generally the most competent characters on the show). The HR/4th Purpose Culture as they depict it is that it ties in well with the show’s over-arching theme of “real vs. seems-to-be-real.”

In the first two seasons, we saw an American social compact which gave power to wealthy WASP males from established families—the ugly, real truth. The HR Culture introduced in the last two seasons supposedly offers a real meritocratic alternative (similar to the PR for the SAT college entrance exams), but its objectivity only seems to be real and in large part ends up benefiting the same wealthy white males from established families. It’s a sham new-and-improved “real.”

I was wondering where I’d heard the term “Waldorf Stories” before and, from what I can glean from the Internets, they’re fables and fairy tales in their original, gorey, non-Disney form.

Thanks for that, snobographer. I’d never heard the term before. It really ties things together.

Comment #21: Gracchus.  on  08/31  at  01:56 PM

[Gracchus @5]  And after the financial pounding Don delivered Chaough—why was he still so breezily confident and in-your-face at the Clio’s?

He’s a dickhead with a massive ego—they tend to rebound quickly.

Exactly. Which made my morning-after revelation so clear: Chaough has been screwed royally, and so he will screw back.  If the writers were going to give him some time to stew, he would not have shown up in the very next episode. “You weren’t here last year.”—Chaough’s comeback for Don’s “It’s too expensive.” Chaough knows Don likes to disappear, and now he’s driven to find out what that means.

Don’s opened up to someone that his name is Dick Whitman—how many others overheard?

He’s made a left turn over a cliff, but forgot to bail first.

[Ron O. @14] They never mentioned Duck joining AA or doing anything other than trying on his own to stay sober, so presumably he doesn’t have a support system either.  Don doesn’t have the openness needed to develop one.

This downward spiral could lead to Don at AA meetings—but where would he begin? “Hello, my name is…?”

Comment #22: Yamara  on  08/31  at  02:02 PM

Also, snobographer, after reading that page the first characters who came to mind were Betty (with her Perrault-style “I’ll cut your fingers off”) and Roger’s mother, with the dark false idiom you mention. One or more of those writers is having some fun with this.

Comment #23: Gracchus.  on  08/31  at  02:04 PM

I thought the whole dymanic between Peggy and Don was the focal point as well.  Peggy I think, is going to be a bigger star than Don was, a legend probably.  That’s where she is headed.  Great point that they’ll have to be a reckoning between her and Don for that to happen.  That’s going to be great tv

Comment #24: JennyLI  on  08/31  at  02:04 PM

@21 - I think it has something to do with the shiny veneer coming off of things and people starting to see things for how they really are. Roger realizing he didn’t really earn his position, Peggy realizing that - despite her confrontation at the end of last season - Don still doesn’t really see her, the new art director getting a taste of what it’s like to be on the receiving end of The Gaze and finding out how liberated he really is, Doris the waitress calling Don by his real name - how about that one?

@Yamara - Don’s kind of famous, is why the woman in the bar recognized his name. He is a brand. He’s the face of the agency, their David Ogilvy.

Comment #25: snobographer  on  08/31  at  02:16 PM

KeithM, citation please?

Comment #26: Thealogian  on  08/31  at  02:18 PM

We seem to be yo-yoing between masterful Don and unraveling Don. Part of me wants to say that up until Now, Don has been shown as competent, if flawed.

But then I thought about the Life pitch. Yes, it ended in a flaming shitpile of suck, but Don’s initial pitch “Eat Life by the bowlful” was clever and interesting.

And then the client popped in with “it’s too highbrow.” Now, it’s not that the proposed slogan was going to be floorwax awesome 2.0, but it had legs and it could have worked.  And it definitely wasn’t too highbrow… anyone who “didn’t get it” would still have the message that they need to Eat Lots Of Life Cereal. Sort of like how people can watch Mad Men and be amazed at the deep symbolism, biting social commentary, and complex characters…. or they could watch it and high five each other every time that slick guy in the suit gets drunk and scores or the hot redhead sticks her ass out.

Meanwhile, Don had just returned from receiving an award for an ad that was definitely more avant garde than the usual fare. So the clients hired an award-winning, outside-of-the-box agency, and then demanded absolute mediocrity from them. But Don wasn’t going to throw them out again like he did with the clients a few weeks ago because he was still riding a high and wanted to spin shit into gold at a moment’s notice. So he crashed and burned.

Don is definitely adrift this season, and I think this is the first time we’ve seen him just suck up a suckload of suck at his job, but even in the flashbacks (why wait for a man to buy you a fur) right up to the Life ad and the floorwax commercial that he *did* work on (maybe not as exclusively as he’d like to take credit for, but Peggy is not claiming she did ALL the work), we see an innovative, interesting take on product advertising that is constantly rebuffed by people who aren’t as creative who seem to think that everyone around them is a knuckle-dragging moron. Roger and the Life Cereal guys are basically looking at Don, who has sold cars and furs, and saying “people like you aren’t supposed to be this clever. Tone it down, plebe.”

I wonder how much deeper the show is going to explore this theme. It’s definitely a characteristic Don and Peggy share.

Comment #27: Mighty Ponygirl  on  08/31  at  02:30 PM

@19

I think that was short hand by Peggy.  It was the Old West theme that really made the commercial pop.  She laid the foundation with the kid, but he provided the necessary flourish.

Comment #28: davis.seth  on  08/31  at  02:33 PM

@23 Gracchus - It could be a play on how mid-20th-century America is often falsely remembered as a happy innocent time for everybody, but that’s an overarching theme for the whole series. It does feel like the difference between the original and Disney versions of all those fucked up princess stories.

Comment #29: snobographer  on  08/31  at  02:33 PM

I think it has something to do with the shiny veneer coming off of things and people starting to see things for how they really are.

I’d agree that this is one of the subtexts. The question is, which of these characters is capable of accepting the awful truth? Only Roger can afford to just brush it off (to his peril, given how Pryce was talking to Pete), but what about the others who can’t?

Comment #30: Gracchus.  on  08/31  at  02:40 PM

It does feel like the difference between the original and Disney versions of all those fucked up princess stories.

This show ain’t Happy Days, that’s for sure. Not Bewitched, either.

If the show goes into the late ‘60s or early ‘70s, as seems to be planned, I suspect the writers are going to turn as viciously on the left-wing Boomer fantasy of “The ‘60s”™ as they have on the right-wing Boomer fantasy of “the ‘50s”™.

Comment #31: Gracchus.  on  08/31  at  02:45 PM

She said Don put the cowboy hat on the kid. The general concept, meaning the kid in the under-the-table jail waiting for the floor to dry - was Peggy’s.

It’s not that cut and dry, I don’t think.  IIRC, she didn’t say Don put the cowboy hat on the kid, she said he came up with the cowboy part.  We don’t exactly know what Peggy’s original pitch was, except that it involved a kid - we certainly don’t know that it included the under the table jail.

It seems like it was a collaborative effort in the development of which both Peggy and Don played important roles, and for which Don is now taking all the credit.

Comment #32: jlk7e  on  08/31  at  02:48 PM

I think that was short hand by Peggy.  It was the Old West theme that really made the commercial pop.  She laid the foundation with the kid, but he provided the necessary flourish.

That extended to the style—the ad starts out very noir, not like a commercial at all as someone said about it in an earlier episode. What’s shared between Peggy and Don is an appreciation for a constrained and dark childhood, but Don has the experience and cloud to translate it into the end product.

They wouldn’t even need to flash back to that creative session for us to know what happened: Peggy proposed the idea of the kid imprisoned by a parent, Don got it instinctively and added the flourishes you mention.

Comment #33: Gracchus.  on  08/31  at  02:56 PM

@31 - I think they’ve already started. Peggy slaughtered the romanticism of the “sexual revolution” in this episode, and that’s an ongoing thing, and the way they cover the civil rights movement as background noise belies the cw that upper-class northern whites were all anti-racist and truly gave a shit.

Comment #34: snobographer  on  08/31  at  03:01 PM

Every woman meets up with a “Stan” sooner or later.  I wish I could have eavesdropped on the writing sessions, where all the women traded war stories about the Stans in their lives.

On a side note, I see the hapless Danny was played by Danny Strong, who was the long suffering uber-nerd in “Buffy”.  Right now, I’m imagining that “Danny” the ad man gets transferred out to California, where Don asks him to check on Anna Draper. “Danny” meets Anna Draper’s niece, they fall in love, marry, and move to Sunnydale, where they have a son named Jonathan… wink

Comment #35: Blue Jean  on  08/31  at  03:02 PM

Considering how many times it seems like Don hits rock-bottom (the car drunken accident, the mugging by the beats, etc.), I wonder if this will be another—“Is this the bottom yet?” for Don just to pull out of the spiral in the nick of time, clean it up a bit, but still be his conflicted, flawed self. I’m not really quite sure if Don will totally hit rock bottom and piss himself or if he will have that redemption story (notice how both those things happened to Freddy?). Mad Men certainly won’t give us a Don at AA or on a therapist’s couch, nor do I think that he’ll be continually down down down down—rather, he spirals into calamity, then resurfaces, spirals, resurfaces, etc.

Comment #36: Thealogian  on  08/31  at  03:05 PM

[snobographer @25] Don’s kind of famous, is why the woman in the bar recognized his name. He is a brand. He’s the face of the agency, their David Ogilvy.

I would never dismiss the possibility of a woman going hard after a man she desires, and if I did, Pandagon would be the last place on the internets where I would try to fly that. But this is a work of fiction—the character is there for a reason. Why was Don’s first lay of the weekend introduced as someone targeting him? Why right after his sloppy pass at the freelance psychologist?

And if this isn’t Chaough’s doing, what does he have planned for retaliation? His attitude plainly indicates he’s still on the hunt for Don.

PS - Seconding Gracchus’ thanks for the meaning of “Waldorf Stories”. Excellent perspective-adding catch.

Comment #37: Yamara  on  08/31  at  03:09 PM

Blue Jean—as long as he doesn’t try to sell Anna the Cure for the Common Cancer.

Comment #38: Mighty Ponygirl  on  08/31  at  03:16 PM

It only occurred to me Monday morning that Don’s lost weekend may have been more orchestrated than it seemed. Who was that woman targeting Don so suddenly for seduction, asking for him like he’s her favorite brand?

hmm, something to think about… After all, Doris the room service girl thinks the woman was his sister after delivering food to them several times and apparently hanging out a bit (“third order of fries”); would that impression likely fly if the woman wasn’t complicit in it?  And did SHE hear him call himself Dick?  Think maybe she slipped him a mickey or something?
Perhaps Danny’s hire won’t be the worst fallout from that weekend.

Comment #39: CalliopeJane  on  08/31  at  03:20 PM

@36 - He still has to meet with Dr. Edna, and Dr. Miller’s been doing a little stealth-psychologizing on him, so he might end up getting some therapy by accident. The AA redemption story seems like it would be too easy though.

Comment #40: snobographer  on  08/31  at  03:31 PM

Mad Men certainly won’t give us a Don at AA or on a therapist’s couch, nor do I think that he’ll be continually down down down down—rather, he spirals into calamity, then resurfaces, spirals, resurfaces, etc.

Agreed. He’s not a chaos addict, and he is struggling for stability and love. But he’s too much of a broken person to achieve them permanently, and too much a product of his times to get un-broken by a therapist or support group.

Why was Don’s first lay of the weekend introduced as someone targeting him? Why right after his sloppy pass at the freelance psychologist?

It’s a sped-up, encapsulated version of what happens with Don and women. He starts with the the shrink, who represents to him the compassion and understanding and affirmation he wants from an rough equal (wrapped up in nice Betty-style packaging, of course). After he gets shot down, he settles for the “groupie” who at least understands and appreciates his talent and success. And finally, he ends up with Doris - female and available and breathing (he probably met her at an open-all-night diner), and it’s to her that he presents himself as Dick instead of Don.

The woman who’s shown the most affinity and understanding toward Don (besides Peggy) has been Joan—they’ve shared a lot of little moments (like at the hospital after the lawnmower accident), and it seems like one of the few healthy and close to equal relationships he has with a female. Perhaps because, as with Peggy, Don’s main objective doesn’t seem to be to bed her. Why exactly that is I haven’t quite gotten yet—does Joan “belong” to Roger in Don’s dudebro lizard brain? Is it a component of his self-loathing? It certainly can’t be an aversion to sleeping with a married woman. I’m sure I’m missing something here.

Comment #41: Gracchus.  on  08/31  at  03:33 PM

Mighty Ponygirl—LOL!  Very clever. 

Anna seems to have a taste for hapless men; if her niece has the same rescuing streak, then Danny should definitely arrange an introduction.

Comment #42: Blue Jean  on  08/31  at  03:37 PM

Whoops, forgot to include Anna in the group with Joan and Peggy. I don’t think he ever tried to sleep with her, either.

Comment #43: Gracchus.  on  08/31  at  03:38 PM

we see an innovative, interesting take on product advertising that is constantly rebuffed by people who aren’t as creative who seem to think that everyone around them is a knuckle-dragging moron.

They’re too old school—they still believe that the plebes just need to have things explained to them in clear, simple language, and all will be well. Elite adherents of the 4th Purpose understand that Don’s cleverness and subtlety is a virtue when it comes to fooling the consumer/employee (and often themselves) into behaving in the best interests of the shareholder class.

Comment #44: Gracchus.  on  08/31  at  03:46 PM

Danny Strong was also Paris Geller’s bf in Gilmore Girls, a show with much better supporting characters than leads.  Paris, Doyle, Lane, Zach, and Mrs Kim (Emily Kuroda is amazing) were infinitely more interesting than the two Lorelais.

I spent ten minutes trying to remember where I knew Strong from until I remembered Doyle.

Comment #45: DBK  on  08/31  at  03:47 PM

@41- Remember in the first season when Peggy told Joan about Don leaving work to go see Midge? I took it as Don having a strict don’t-shit-where-you-eat policy, which he broke with Allison because he’s getting more impulsive and desperate for the validation he’s always gotten from screwing around.

Comment #46: snobographer  on  08/31  at  03:49 PM

Pity Don can’t be more like House (obviously very different shows) where the addiction thing works to deepen the character instead of making him a diluted mess. (pharmakos @ 16)

Well, it’s what drinking does. Anyone who thinks it make you deeper or gives you character hasn’t spent much time around drunks—at least, not while sober. 

Alcoholism in the ad business is absolutely authentic, and was especially so in that era.  Mad Men shows a recently divorced guy in a booze-intensive industry depicted as starting to drink heavily.  In real life, that would be as predictable as a sunrise. 

Oh, and the drinking makes him act like an asshole while believing he’s Joe Cool? It’s so common in real life that most alcoholic beverage ads are based on it; the fun, socially adept sophisticate alluded to in those ads is what a lot of people think they’re like when they’ve had a few, and obviously, it’s the view that marketers like to promote.

The fact that Mad Men tries for authenticity as much as possible—including not romanticizing alcoholism—is why I (and I would guess, others) like it.

(I like House too, but if it were in any way realistic, House would spend every waking hour fighting malpractice suits.)

Comment #47: Molly, NYC  on  08/31  at  03:53 PM

Why was Don’s first lay of the weekend introduced as someone targeting him? Why right after his sloppy pass at the freelance psychologist?

I’d guess its because its indicating he’s lazy and his position allows him to be. It used to be Don is into coming up with new ideas and pursuing women because they interest him. Now he has Peggy and he used to have pretentious beard guy to do a bunch of the work. He isn’t hungry anymore and the same goes with sex. He doesn’t really try to end up with people he is interested in. The one he does end up with are just a good he is consuming like the bourbon or whatever it is he is drinking. I’d guess he told the waitress his name is Dick because his Don identity is collapsing or collapsed in his own mind even if everyone else still believes it and if he isn’t Don he’s Dick and in his mind Dick is kind of scum. In one of the scenes with his father his father says something like you even have Hilton fooled with your old tricks.

Comment #48: pharmakos  on  08/31  at  03:54 PM

Well, it’s what drinking does. Anyone who thinks it make you deeper or gives you character hasn’t spent much time around drunks—at least, not while sober.

I’m sure and I’m sure vicodin doesn’t turn you into a genius either. I’m just saying the use and meaning of vicodin in house is way more interesting than smart guy turns into sloppy mess however realistic it is.

Comment #49: pharmakos  on  08/31  at  03:58 PM

I took it as Don having a strict don’t-shit-where-you-eat policy, which he broke with Allison because he’s getting more impulsive and desperate for the validation he’s always gotten from screwing around.

Good point, although he’s not shy about the riskier business (in those pre-sexual harrassment suit days) of screwing around with clients and suppliers who could actually cost them money. But that was back when he wasn’t a partner.

Comment #50: Gracchus.  on  08/31  at  04:15 PM

“We’re led to believe that Don deserved the job he got, that he was entitled to exploit Roger a little because the Rogers of the world don’t just let the working class Dons of the world in the door. Roger didn’t even look at his work!”


I could have sworn that Roger was the one who first noticed Don’s talent and recommended him for a position at the old Sterling Cooper.  I could have sworn that both Roger and Cooper had discussed this in Season 3’s “The Color Blue”.

Comment #51: CTrent  on  08/31  at  04:42 PM

This is all coming to a head.  Peggy is the creative force holding the agency together, and Don is taking all the credit. There is much love and respect between them, but this cannot last.  I predict that eventually, Peggy will have to suck up all her love for Don and push him out of his job so she can take it.


That’s because Peggy still wants “Daddy’s” approval and respect.  She’s still looking for a father figure, or she would have ended her working relationship with Don last season.

Comment #52: CTrent  on  08/31  at  04:43 PM

The new art director is pretty much idea-free, but he gets away with it by adopting the persona of a shocking, belligerent artist who is constrained by stupid middle class mores inflicted on him by a sex-withholding matriarchy.  He’s simply ahead of his time, of course-

No, very much part of his time. There was always a faux-rebel theme that repression and prudery came from women oppressing men   Mad Men even dealt with that in the first season with Don’s beat mistress and her chauvinist beat boyfriend. In general there was some really nasty misogny in beat writing.  Hefner’s so called playboy Philosophy was a fairly mild version. (And since you are familiar with Hefner’s writing a bit, you will understand how raw some of the stuff out there was for Hefner to be mild by comparison.)

Another nasty strain was less overtly focused on the pussy and more on the womb. Look up “Momism” if you want to see a fully developed ideological version of this from the 40s and 50s. Wylie.

Since Madmen is set in 60s, remember some of the 60s feminists you’ve read on 60s lefty males. “Chicks to the front”  anyone? (The idea was that when police started beating on demonstrators women would move to the front , because cops would be too gallant to beat up women. All that resulted in was women taking the beating instead of men. ) So this character was not ahead of his time. He was right in tune with his time.

Comment #53: Gar Lipow  on  08/31  at  04:49 PM

Yep, CTrent.  But in your eagerness to be right, you missed the revelations of the last episode.  Perhaps you didn’t see it?  Because it’s revealed that Roger’s whole tale of “discovering” Don is Roger blowing smoke up his own ass.

Comment #54: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/31  at  04:54 PM

Gar, if you hadn’t cut the punchline out, you may have noticed the end of that sentence was what we call a “quip” or even a “joke” in the blog-writing business.  My point being, of course, that Dov Charney made a lot more moola off the schtick than this fictional douchebag.

Comment #55: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/31  at  04:56 PM

[pharmakos @48] I’d guess its because its indicating he’s lazy and his position allows him to be.

The perfect angle at which Chaough could strike. The unanswered question of what will be Chaough’s reprisal is what has me so strongly suspecting this.

[Gracchus @41] After he gets shot down, he settles for the “groupie” who at least understands and appreciates his talent and success.

Wouldn’t a groupie know what their idol looked like? She had to ask.

Well, I will happily admit it’s all speculation until the future episodes unfold. But my spider-sense really sounded off Monday morning, and it does all fit.

If I’m right, it will be interesting to see how the creators handle the issue of Don being undone by a woman, as opposed to simply by his drinking or his past. It’s not a tragic flaw that’s often de-objectified.

Comment #56: Yamara  on  08/31  at  05:04 PM

Is Peggy really 25? That seems really young- that means she’d have to have been a teenager when she started work.

Comment #57: Antigone  on  08/31  at  05:06 PM

@51 CTrent - This last episode showed what really happened, which is that Roger kept turning Don away until Don got Roger black-out drunk and then convinced him that he’d hired him.

@53 - Didn’t Mr. Liberated and his bullshit about “man’s natural state is nude” remind you of today’s ev-psychers and their “biological imperatives?”
His “temperance movement” dig on Peggy is a nutshell of that false rebellion against women’s “prudery” you’re talking about. To this day, I’ve seen guys bring up the temperance movement as a way to discredit Susan B. Anthony. She wanted to outlaw booze means women’s liberation is just a wet blanket on <strike>men’s</strike> everyone’s fun.

Comment #58: snobographer  on  08/31  at  05:08 PM

Yeah, she’s 25.  In the first episode of the first season, when she starts work as a secretary, she mentions that she’s 20 years old, so she would be 25 in 1965.

Comment #59: Blue Jean  on  08/31  at  05:10 PM

Wouldn’t a groupie know what their idol looked like? She had to ask.

He’s an ad man, not a movie star, and she’s not a literal groupie. She’s someone who works in the biz for another agency and is intrigued by him and his work. It’s possible he had his photo in Advertising Age, but Don seems to avoid that kind of thing.

Also, the writers have already played out the whole false identity blackmail scenario with Pete during season 1, and the consequences were Bert Cooper saying “who cares?” I don’t see them trying to repeat it with different consequences.

Comment #60: Gracchus.  on  08/31  at  05:35 PM

He did have his photo in AdAge; Henry noted that it was a flattering photo. But I’ve seen celebrities in real life and it often takes a second to recognize somebody when you’re used to seeing them in two dimensions.

I think Doris calling him Dick was a warning that he’s getting his truth mixed up with his lies, particularly when he drinks. He keeps it up he’ll be his own undoing, no blackmail needed. Don’s theme this season is self-destruction.

Comment #61: snobographer  on  08/31  at  06:25 PM

[Gracchus @60] Also, the writers have already played out the whole false identity blackmail scenario with Pete during season 1, and the consequences were Bert Cooper saying “who cares?” I don’t see them trying to repeat it with different consequences.

But Chaough wouldn’t know how not to repeat the attempt; he isn’t interested in blackmail, he wants Don out of the way. The unanswered question of his retaliation remains. And now that you mention the original blackmail, I’ve noticed something else.

[Gracchus @5] He’s a dickhead with a massive ego—they tend to rebound quickly. The phony general (more false authority) only helped.

The phony general Chaough hired is also directly symbolic of Dick stealing the real Don Draper’s valor. This might not be a problem for a friendly boss keeping the information quiet (and even Bert found it a useful garrote ‘round Don’s throat) but why wouldn’t a competitor just reveal this to the general public?

This season opened with the question, straight from Advertising Age, “Who is Don Draper?” And he choked right up.

 


Still, could all be a barrel of red herrings.

Comment #62: Yamara  on  08/31  at  07:10 PM

I think the fact that Danny is very short and plain-looking will become somehow symbolically important.

Comment #63: perlstein  on  08/31  at  07:31 PM

I suspect the writers are going to turn as viciously on the left-wing Boomer fantasy of “The ‘60s”™ as they have on the right-wing Boomer fantasy of “the ‘50s”™. —#31

I think we’re already starting to see that with Rizzo. Out of the handful of even remotely counter-culture types the show has had so far, we’ve had: the beatniks that drugged and mugged Don, the cute lesbian from Life magazine and her pretentious friends, the pretentious but not odious Paul Kinsey, Don’s beatnik/freelance artist girlfriend and her asshole boyfriend, and now this guy. I wouldn’t say they’re going to idolize the hippies, and the most likable people on that list (the beatnik girlfriend, Paul, Peggy’s new friend) are also the ones who are a little more tethered to mainstream culture. They’re willing to work in or with corporations, and they don’t ooze contempt for people with day jobs. Which makes Rizzo all the more despicable; he supposedly has lots of ‘experience’ and has been hired on as middle management, but he doesn’t ever seem to work and openly derides Peggy for being hardworking, loyal and talented. I’d be willing to bet this season will show him having a bunch of douchy proto-hippie friends who are just as bad.

I thought the best moment of this episode was during the conga-line victory lap for the Clio, when someone called Peggy ‘Jimmy Olsen.’ It was so telling of the way her co-workers see her—as Don’s bumbling kid sidekick, even though she is clearly very talented, and is not-so-subtly holding Don’s career together herself.

Comment #64: impossibletospell  on  08/31  at  07:40 PM

KeithM, citation please?

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html

Comment #65: KeithM  on  08/31  at  10:56 PM

About the term Waldorf stories:

In Waldorf schools (my kids attend one), fairy tales, particularly the Brothers Grimm fairy tales in their 19th century iteration, are part of the curriculum in kindergarten and first grade.  Parents are often surprised at how different these are from the bowdlerized versions we get later on and in Disney movies.

But I have been a Waldorf mom for 10 years, and I have never heard them referred to as “Waldorf stories.”  Teachers just call them “fairy tales.”  It’s just that if you google the term, you will get Waldorf school parents commenting about how weird the stories from school sound.

So, I really don’t think that “Waldorf Stories” in the title has this secondary meaning people are discussing.  It would just be way too obscure.  Not that it isn’t fun to speculate.

Comment #66: MadLibrarian  on  09/01  at  12:15 AM

Re: the dick reveal,  Don referred to himself as Dick to the waitress.  Did he do so in the company of his ‘sister?’ Was his sister possibly NOT the woman from the party?  He did lose a whole 48 hours, right?  The afterparty was Friday night,  the waitress was Sunday Morning.  Just putting it out there. 

Also,  its not important now,  but watch how all of the males are having their battles,  and Peggy is remaining on good terms with everyone.  This is the second episode shes hugged an old co-worker (Freddy then Ken) with a warmth that seems modern.  Is it an odd thing to do in the 60s?  At the end, Peggy is going to have all the allies.

Comment #67: pasteymachine  on  09/01  at  02:47 AM

Why is it that Joan and Peggy are hardly ever criticized?  They are no better than any of the other characters on the show.  Yet, they are rarely criticized.  Why?

Comment #68: CTrent  on  09/01  at  03:25 AM

CTrent—because of the raging gynocracy, that’s why. Duh.

Peggy is a LOT better than any of the other characters in the show. She doesn’t abuse her power, she tries to be a good person (realistically), and she’s gotten to where she’s at through hard work and talent.

So, she had Pete’s kid and gave him up. Isn’t that what the wingnuts SAY they want? If a woman doesn’t want to have the child, isn’t the first words out of their lips “she could give it up for adoption?” The fact that there are people out there who would ride Peggy for the fact that she did what they say a woman in her situation should do tips their hand.

As for Joan, I definitely don’t think she’s really comparable as the men. I can’t think of a time when she abused her power, even if she does come off as “devious” it’s more just because she’s confident and strong at her job, rather than actual malevolence. Her worst moment was when she went after Kinsey’s girlfriend, which was as ugly as it was brief,  but when you match that against things like Roger’s blackface performance and Burt’s sniping at the CRA being communism, I think the boys win meanest asshole title.

Comment #69: Mighty Ponygirl  on  09/01  at  09:32 AM

I will say that I was wondering the other night if or when we’ll see Peggy’s “bad side”; most of the other characters have their good and bad moments, but I don’t think we’ve seen Peggy be capable (yet) of meanness or doing something really unethical.  The closest thing, I suppose, was her fling with Pete and subsequently having their child, but I don’t really count that because it was mutual; Pete, after all, came to her first.

Maybe we never will and that will be the difference between Peggy and the others, but it seems to me that may not be sustainable given the environment she’s working in.

Comment #70: Linnaeus  on  09/01  at  10:17 AM

Why is it that Joan and Peggy are hardly ever criticized?  They are no better than any of the other characters on the show.  Yet, they are rarely criticized.  Why?

I know it’s shocking that the feminist owners and visitors of a feminist site would have sympathy for female characters on a feminist show, but it’s more than just identity politics.

The reason they’re hardly criticised is because the show’s writers are in sympathy with Peggy and, to a lesser extent, Joan.

While Don is the focus of the show, Peggy is the main viewpoint character—the show started with her first day as Don’s secretary, and will likely end with her trying to get Don’s job. As a viewpoint character, she has to be “better” and more sympathetic than the other characters (though, as Don’s protege, she’s learning some of his mean habits).

Joan’s case is more interesting. While she’s admirable to me in many ways, she’s also the show’s primary exemplar of the HR/4th Purpose Culture (of which I’m obviously not a fan). For all her competence, she’s willing to play politics and personality in a way that satisfies her personal desires while destroying productivity. Her punishing Don with Blankenship is a perfect example: it’s funny to the audience, satisfying revenge for Joan, but she obviously doesn’t do much to advance Don’s efficiency or, in turn, the agency’s business mission (not that Don’s been helping himself much in that area).

Comment #71: Gracchus.  on  09/01  at  12:01 PM

Also, can I just gush on some Ms. Blankenship love?

“I don’t work for you!”

She is who I would be if I were a secretary.

Comment #72: Mighty Ponygirl  on  09/01  at  12:36 PM

66: MadLibrarian
So, I really don’t think that “Waldorf Stories” in the title has this secondary meaning people are discussing.  It would just be way too obscure.  Not that it isn’t fun to speculate.

The title always has something to do with the theme of the episode, and that’s the only meaning for “Waldorf Stories” I could find.


72: Gracchus
Her punishing Don with Blankenship . . . obviously doesn’t do much to advance Don’s efficiency or, in turn, the agency’s business mission

It prevents Don from losing the agency another good secretary and all the time and work Joan has to put into training her.

Comment #73: snobographer  on  09/01  at  01:26 PM

Also, may I note that women don’t have as much freedom to be overtly obnoxious as men.  Still not now, and especially not back then.  You have to be the one in the higher social position to be an oppressing asshole and people let it slide.

Comment #74: CalliopeJane  on  09/01  at  02:30 PM

I could have sworn that Roger was the one who first noticed Don’s talent and recommended him for a position at the old Sterling Cooper.  I could have sworn that both Roger and Cooper had discussed this in Season 3’s “The Color Blue”.
Comment #51: CTrent on 08/31 at 03:42 PM

And that fairy tale doesn’t match the real story.  The unreliable narrator is finally making its way into mass culture, thank FSM.

Well, it’s what drinking does. Anyone who thinks it make you deeper or gives you character hasn’t spent much time around drunks—at least, not while sober.

I’m sure and I’m sure vicodin doesn’t turn you into a genius either. I’m just saying the use and meaning of vicodin in house is way more interesting than smart guy turns into sloppy mess however realistic it is.
Comment #49: pharmakos on 08/31 at 02:58 PM

But emotionally fucked up mess who is genius plus vicodin equals someone who can focus on his genius by ignoring his fucked-upped-ness.  That is, until s/he can’t. 

Drinking and drugging, for the addicted, is a way to cope when you don’t have the chops to manage emotional reality.  That’s why it’s so addicting and so soul-destroying (for various values of soul).

And not everyone who drinks or drugs, even to excess, is an addict, which is a layer rarely exposed in pop culture.

The title always has something to do with the theme of the episode, and that’s the only meaning for “Waldorf Stories” I could find.

A description of the episode:  “Don, Joan, Roger, and Pete head to the Waldorf as nominees for an advertising CLIO Award.”

Roger and Joan might have been at the Waldorf for their meeting where he gave her the mink stole.

Also, Conrad Hilton bought the Waldorf Astoria in 1949.  Was Hilton mentioned at all in this episode?

Stories also makes me think of storeys, the fabled imaginary second floor of the office mentioned a couple of episodes ago.

And Waldorf sounds like “walled off.”  You can protect a story by keeping other people, and facts, walled off from it. 

And if your walls don’t go all the way to the ceiling someone can peek over (Peekaboo Peggy!).

And if you have a blackout, what happened then is walled off from *you*. 

I enjoyed seeing Lane and Pete build a new friendship based on competence, and the subsequent cooperative game between them of Lane treating Pete as the dominant male at the meeting with Ken, to impress Ken that he’s not an equal to Pete any more.

Comment #75: oldfeminist  on  09/01  at  03:40 PM

@76 - I’m still thinking it has more to do with the revised and prettified versions of things people tell themselves, because that was a recurring point in the episode, like that Roger found Don and Rizzo was more liberated than Peggy and Dick Whitman was killed in Korea, etc.
I was also thinking, the backstory on Roger “finding” Don came out as a result of Roger writing his autobiography. So I’m wondering if we’re to understand that it’s dawning on Roger, as he reflects on things, that Don pulled one over on him or if that’s audience-privileged info. I guess we’ll see.

Comment #76: snobographer  on  09/01  at  08:47 PM

@76 - I’m still thinking it has more to do with the revised and prettified versions of things people tell themselves, because that was a recurring point in the episode, like that Roger found Don and Rizzo was more liberated than Peggy and Dick Whitman was killed in Korea, etc.
Comment #77: snobographer on 09/01 at 07:47 PM

But isn’t that one origin of the unreliable narrator?  It’s not always that someone’s trying to lie to you.  Often they’re lying to themselves, and believing it.

Comment #77: oldfeminist  on  09/02  at  12:56 AM

Yeah exactly. That’s what I think the title “Waldorf Stories” refers to. Maybe I didn’t phrase it clearly. What I meant is I think the title “Waldorf Stories” refers to the less palatable realities that many of the characters cover up with prettified false narratives, which are pulled away to one extent or another in this episode. That or it has to do with the tales the characters tell themselves. It’s reflected in the repeated false idioms too.
They’ve been working with false narrators all along, but this season they’re making it more obvious that that’s what they’re doing. They used to be more subtle about Roger’s childishness, for example. Now they’re just coming out and saying it.

Comment #78: snobographer  on  09/02  at  02:54 AM
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