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Mad Men Monday: Peggy!

peggy donLet’s start off with talking about a concern of mine: Don’s alcoholism.  Not in that I’m concerned that Don, a fictional character, is an alcoholic.  I’m not worried about his health or anything.  What I worry about is this as a plot device.  I’m allergic to giving a character a disease, whether self-inflicted or not.  Whether a character is struck with cancer or an addiction, it’s a short leap from “fascinating TV show with some amount of suspense” to “afterschool special”.  The only show I can think of that avoided this trap—-and even then, it was only barely—-was “The Wire”, and part of that is that Andre Royo, who played Bubbles, has charisma to burn.  (The other part is that they made his recovery process an opportunity to make the character more complex.)  The problem with introducing disease as a plot line is that the disease often becomes the defining feature of the character, especially when the character is an addict.  It’s kind of boring and often moralistic in ways that just don’t make for good TV.  But I remain hopeful.  If anyone can pull it out, it’s the writers of “Mad Men”. 

Still, the season premiere indicated a freshness and energy to the show, and then the past couple of episodes have been about establishing what a loser Don has become.  They were interesting episodes, but last night’s episode, “The Rejected”, was the most fun of the season by far.  This in itself doesn’t make me despair, because that’s their pattern for each season—-start slow, build up background, and then things get crazy.  But watching Pete and Peggy both come into their own a little more, and find some kind of peace between themselves, was just fun to watch.  Contrasting their triumphs with Don’s despair made Don’s despair far more interesting.  Old Peggy used to seem like she was becoming more Don-like all the time.  New Peggy makes out with sexy journalists at bohemian parties that get raided by the cops.  I think last night’s episode was about Peggy getting way closer to the realization that following in Don’s footsteps is not going to work out well for her.  Thus, the best shot of the night (hat tip Anna Holmes for grabbing it). 

Let’s talk about how Peggy seems like she could be choosing another path, because I saw some folks on Twitter last night suggesting she’s still just like Don.  It’s true that Peggy has the nice, boring boyfriend that she’s considering marrying and she went to this awesome party without him and cheated on him.  But she’s not married to the guy yet.  And if we thought that perhaps Peggy was going to make her new bohemian friends an escape from her life, she actually has them come to her work to pick her up for lunch.  That’s far from the only way she looks to live openly and honestly.  When she’s at the party and her new friend introduces her as a writer, she doesn’t go along with the ruse, instead asking one of the guests if he’d like some paid work with her.  She doesn’t compartmentalize like Don does. She struggles throughout the episode with longings for marriage and babies and good old-fashioned patriarchal validation, and at the end, she nods at Pete (who represents a lot of that in her mind) and steps into the elevator with her new friends, including an unabashed lesbian.  Let’s hope my read on the symbolism is right, and that we don’t see too much Don-like backsliding.

I think the Peggy/Allison scene is important here, as well.  Peggy is so offended by Allison’s assumptions about her and Don that she can’t be kind to Allison, even though Allison was undoubtedly spouting the common wisdom around the office.  I was so upset that Peggy couldn’t be kind that I didn’t initially get what that meant in the larger scheme of things.  But upon reflection, I realized what Peggy was saying when she snapped at Allison to get over it.  The whole focus group situation reconfirmed my suspicions that Allison was hoping that sleeping with Don was meaningful, and upon realizing it wasn’t, she hates on herself for “giving it up”.  Peggy has struggled in this season with the lie that a woman’s vagina is a bargaining chip to be used to get a man.  When Freddy tells her to keep her legs shut to get the husband, the first thing she does is sleep with her boyfriend in a thumb-nosing rejection of that narrative and all that it implies.  Snapping at Allison to get over it is cruel, but if you think about it, Peggy’s right.  Flopping around waiting for a man to validate you is a pointless exercise.  The ads promise that this is the path to happiness, but the focus groups show that it’s actually a path to blubbering in front of a bunch of near-strangers because you buy the belief that beauty is your only asset and you don’t have enough of it to compete.  The only time Don pulls himself out of his stupor and says something that’s true is when he says that there’s a path beyond just finding out what people already want because of the toxic narratives they absorbed growing up and feeding it back to them.  There’s also imagining new possibilities.  And that’s what Peggy is doing.


Pete’s path is, as usual, more uncertain.  I’d like to think that his playing hardball with his father-in-law is going to work out well for him.  It’s funny, because we’re meant to assume, I believe, that Pete is really recommitted to the family he has with Trudy.  In fact, I think that taking on more of his father-in-law’s business symbolizes this.  But the father-in-law, who has always ever just wanted Pete to make a real family with Trudy, still curses at him for it.  Still, I think that it’s safe to believe that even if Pete isn’t charming, he’s a better man overall if he’s being bold instead of weaseling around, as he has a tendency to do.  Pete started off the show as an annoying suck-up and a grudge-holder, who acts in the margins by cheating on his wife and even using subterfuge to sexually assault an au pair.  I never before realized how much his getting Peggy pregnant but not getting Trudy pregnant was a potent symbol of his character.  But in this episode, we see Pete struggle with and then finally accept responsibility for talking smack about Ken, drop his grudge against Ken, and stop sucking up, and the rewards he reaps are immense.  I also liked how we saw Trudy tense up with fear, as she has in the past, and Pete doesn’t take advantage, instead smothering her in kisses.  Plus, he got the right woman pregnant this time.  Is Pete Campbell finally on track?

What did you think if of Peggy and Pete storylines?  Do you think Peggy’s really breaking free, or is this a lark?  Is Pete finally growing up and ceasing with the sleaziness? 

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 10:10 AM • (68) Comments

Stellar work by Alexa Alemanni, Vincent Kartheiser and Elizabeth Moss in this episode. It was definitely refreshing to see Pete acting like a grown-up, and to see Peggy having such fun, and maybe they are both going to continue to progress - I hope so.

Comment #1: maurinsky  on  08/16  at  11:34 AM

Dr. Faye is Don’s doppelganger.  Your thoughts?

Comment #2: nolo  on  08/16  at  11:39 AM

Pete’s so frustrating, because in addition to being the biggest douchebag on the show, he’s clearly the one that shows the most room to grow among the sexist, asshole men of Sterling Cooper (Draper Pryce).  Cosgrove, as we saw, will always be Ken.  Cosgrove!  Accounts!  Roger may grow wiser but never really evolve, and Don peaked the moment he told Lee Garner Sr. about toasted tobacco. 

So I keep wanting to see more of Good Pete - the one who sees the future in teenagers and diversity (maybe I’m giving him too much credit for his Ebony magazine campaign to sell televisions), who honestly and happily likes being with his wife (their Charleston scene, and blowing off Margaret’s wedding after the assassination).  But I feel conflicted for liking him, because he is a real sleazeball.

Comment #3: Loch Ness Monster  on  08/16  at  11:40 AM

It’s funny what you say about Pete, I realized watching this episode that I’d almost forgotten he was supposed to be unlikeable. And Gods how I used to hate him (as a person, not as a character). Now I’m “Aww our li’l Petey’s growing up”. Now even the others’ negative attitude towards him I take less as a validation of how hateable he is and more as a routine everyone’s settled into.
Although I have to admit this is probably also influenced by Trudy. She’s just so adorable and seeing her like him automatically makes him more likeable.

And good point on how mature he behaved around Ken. Notice too that we were primed to think Pete would use Ken’s comments about his clients against him (what with Harry suggesting it and all) but instead they inspire him in how to deal with his own situation.

Also, poor Allison. And Peggy was mean. I understand why she was, and now that you mention it she did give good “advice”, technically, but it was hardly helpful in this situation.

Comment #4: Caravelle  on  08/16  at  11:45 AM

This episode really rocked. Just fantastic writing and fantastic acting. The last few episodes have been a little meh (the first few eps of the seasons tend to be), but now we’re getting going. And we LOVED the Peggy snooping clip, as well as Peggy going off with the young, new generation whereas Pete is doubling down with a bunch of old men.

The exploration of the rise of the counter-culture is pretty good, but jarring. Is it intentional that now, all of a sudden, everyone under the age of 30 is referring to Don as a pathetic old man? Is it supposed to show how, no matter how hard you try to stay young and relevant, you can’t force the younger generation to respect and accept you? I mean, it’s not like Don has always inspired awe and respect (never go with a hippie to a second place, Don!) but he’s chafing at it: He doesn’t want to push the Matrimony angle because he doesn’t want to be Freddy—some 1925 holdover beating tired old tropes to death, but he’s not getting any recognition for it. We get the idea that the floor wax commercial was a creative coup, that he’s still able to shake things up and deliver fresh and interesting content, but people are still writing him off as a dinosaur. This is definitely the theme of the season.

Comment #5: Mighty Ponygirl  on  08/16  at  11:48 AM

Notice also how the beginning of the episode continues to show how Lee Garner Jr. is a horrible bully and why Roger gets paid the big bucks. That whole conversation is hilarious.

Comment #6: Caravelle  on  08/16  at  11:49 AM

I’m not sure if Don’s only pushing back against being Freddy: he’s also pushing back on the assumption that everyone should be/wants to be married.  That’s burned him pretty badly in the past.  Directly, he feels like an outsider for being a divorced man in 1965 New York, but it’s also that “marriage at all costs” thing that got him into his relationship with Betty in the first place.  She was the young girl who wanted a husband, and a picture of domestic life, and that’s what he gave her - and neither of them was able to articulate what was wrong with it until it was so far too late.

Comment #7: Loch Ness Monster  on  08/16  at  11:58 AM

No, don’t feel too conflicted about finding Pete interesting as a character. 

Watching him discuss the finer points of Puerto Rican ladies’ in a both sexist and progressive way was a neat trick.  Harry went along for the ride as well, of course.  I think it points to the ongoing conflict that liberals of privilege have.  So many blind spots…Trudy’s Dad had it right, after Pete thoroughed him: he’s a high WASP sonofabitch!

Comment #8: Wintah Hill  on  08/16  at  12:06 PM

Don’s alcoholism has been carefully established, increasing bit by bit for four seasons. He has always poured himself a drink upon walking in the door. By Season 3, he was taking a bottle to bed (in the attic). This isn’t a “let’s address alcoholism” story; they already have Freddy for that.

I think the most significant part of Don’s alcoholism is that first pull on a bottle of moonshine in the barn at age 10, followed immediately by his drunken father’s horrific death.

Comment #9: DeborahLipp  on  08/16  at  12:07 PM

@Mighty Ponygirl : I don’t think everybody under 30 is “suddenly” seeing Don as a pathetic old man; since the very beginning of the series there’s been a certain rift between the young and the old and Don was on the side of the old (going back to “for those that think young” and culminating when he gets his things stolen by that young couple).

What has changed this season is that Don has objectively become a lot more pathetic. It’s not that he’s old, it’s the aimlessness, the lack of togetherness, something. And the drinking I guess, given how often they point it out…

Comment #10: Caravelle  on  08/16  at  12:10 PM

I thought that scene of Peggy and Pete near the end was interesting. As Amanda points, out, they’re both coming into their own, but seem to also be going in different directions. I was struck by the contrast of Peggy going off with the bohos while Pete begins to schmooze with the Old White Dude Club. If they’re symbols of the “60s Generation,” this suggests to me they’ll be experiencing the upcoming years quite differently.

On a related note, Elizabeth Moss is just a phenomenal, underrated actress. I want to see her in more film roles. She’s come a long way from little Zoe on the West Wing.

Comment #11: Outlander  on  08/16  at  12:20 PM

And if we thought that perhaps Peggy was going to make her new bohemian friends an escape from her life, she actually has them come to her work to pick her up for lunch. hat’s far from the only way she looks to live openly and honestly.  When she’s at the party and her new friend introduces her as a writer, she doesn’t go along with the ruse, instead asking one of the guests if he’d like some paid work with her.  She doesn’t compartmentalize like Don does.

This is key—Don had Bohemian friends, too (his Beatnik mistress from season 1, the “jet setters,” and Anna of course), but he kept them completely separate from his work and home life. Now he’s starting to pay the price big-time.

In fact, I think that taking on more of his father-in-law’s business symbolizes this.  But the father-in-law, who has always ever just wanted Pete to make a real family with Trudy, still curses at him for it.

He curses him because Pete, having observed the lesson of Ken and made his own decision to go “forward,” injected a note of ruthless blackmail into his relationship with his father-in-law. If the old man wants to keep ensuring that his daughter and grandchild have that real family (and all the material trappings that come with it) then not only will he have to accept that Clearasil is going elsewhere, but he’s also gonna have to pony up the entire Vick’s line in its place.

Do you think Peggy’s really breaking free, or is this a lark?  Is Pete finally growing up and ceasing with the sleaziness?

You never know on this show, but this was a real turning point for Peggy. For the moment, she’s discovering what she wants (i.e. what makes her happy). However, letting go of what’s expected of her (a nice Catholic girl who’s supposed to want marriage and kids and who isn’t “supposed to like” Bohemian hedonism) is a major and traumatic step, with Kubler-Ross grieving involved. They portrayed that well, even including the funny “head-desk.”

The season’s over-arching theme is about how we start over, and many of us reach the point Peggy has, where we look around and see how our life has changed for the better and decide to go with it, despite the fact we’re stepping even further away from the expectations of those around us.

Pete has gone through a similar journey, but he’s decided that the path to happiness will come from simply trying to be a new version of the old guard (represented by the faltering Don), both at work and at home. Sure, he’s slightly more open to racial diversity (e.g. his comments on the “Puerto Rican” bra ad), but only insofar as it opens up new markets.

So has Ken, for that matter—he’s a far more cynical and bitter character than he was when we last saw him. My sense is that while they’re both on the fast-track to success in the short-term, in the long-term they’re speeding toward irrelevance and disappointment.

(The third member of the trio, Harry, is probably best positioned. Sooner or later he’s going to take a job with a network and move himself and his family to L.A. for good)

Even Don struggles with the realisation that he needs to make a fresh start and stop compartmentalising his life (lest he end up like that elderly couple with the “private” conversation about pears, or worse). But the booze and his age and his own pride are going to make that very difficult indeed.

What I liked about this episode is that it shows, despite our having 20-20 hindsight about what was about to happen historically, we have absolutely no idea where the characters’ decisions will lead. Peggy’s path to happiness might end up entangled in EST and similar hippy-dippy woo, and Pete might end up finding a way to become a version of Don who isn’t a loser. People who seem to be on a downward track can not only turn their lives around, but find their old-fashioned viewpoints validated by the new order (see Freddy Rumson).

Notice also how the beginning of the episode continues to show how Lee Garner Jr. is a horrible bully and why Roger gets paid the big bucks. That whole conversation is hilarious.

This was a re-play of Roger and Don’s successful business act that we saw in earlier seasons. Despite some great lines (“there’s some kind of fire at Radio City”), it looks to me like Don isn’t holding up his end of the patter as well as he used to—phoning it in, as it were.

Comment #12: Gracchus.  on  08/16  at  12:21 PM

Something I want to add about this episode—-singleness was explicitly linked to youth, which I think it accurate to the era.  The woman who brings Allison into the focus group puts herself in Joan in the “old” category because they’re married.  The psychologist establishes her youth with the focus group by pulling off her wedding ring.  They only wanted single women, because that’s “youth” in their eyes.  Peggy’s struggle is between being young or moving towards marriage.

Comment #13: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/16  at  12:28 PM

Even Don struggles with the realisation that he needs to make a fresh start and stop compartmentalising his life (lest he end up like that elderly couple with the “private” conversation about pears, or worse). But the booze and his age and his own pride are going to make that very difficult indeed.

I’m hoping he can.  In spite of the bad things Don’s done, I don’t yet want to believe Allison’s declaration that he isn’t a good person, which is in no way meant to excuse his bad (and even hurtful choices).  There’s enough good in Don that he can turn things around.  His flash of insight in his exchange with Dr. Fay shows me that he’s still “got it”, but he has to deal with the consequences of his actions and find himself again.

Comment #14: Linnaeus  on  08/16  at  12:33 PM

He doesn’t want to push the Matrimony angle because he doesn’t want to be Freddy—some 1925 holdover beating tired old tropes to death, but he’s not getting any recognition for it. We get the idea that the floor wax commercial was a creative coup, that he’s still able to shake things up and deliver fresh and interesting content, but people are still writing him off as a dinosaur.

Part of his problem is his thwarted sense of entitlement: he should be the creative guru at the established firm with the perfect family and home, allowed to enjoy his privilege while being considered cutting-edge and in sync with the times. But of course he’s not, because old habits die hard.

The episode before this showed that nicely: once again, as happened in previous seasons, we found Don on a late-night drive with a pretty young girl not his wife, and as before Hamm put on that perfect self-satisfied smirk. And once again the drive ended in disaster. Don may tell Faye “you can’t tell how people are going to behave based on how they have behaved,” but at his age that may not be as applicable as it once was. Trying to be open to new things isn’t quite the same thing as being so.

Speaking of Faye, I loved how they showed the different ways that women are coming into their own and taking charge—not always for the best. Peggy shows a hint of Don-like cruelty when her own prerogatives are questioned, the awesome Trudy demonstrates that she understands Pete’s world and is willing to be a partner in it, and Faye gives Don an expert seminar is “how to manipulate young women”—one he’ll never be able to use himself because he isn’t a woman.

Comment #15: Gracchus.  on  08/16  at  12:37 PM

Something I want to add about this episode—-singleness was explicitly linked to youth, which I think it accurate to the era.

Agreed. Then there’s the idea that once a young woman has landed a husband she won’t see any need to use Pond’s—the youth market != the married market.

There were also some odd bits going on with the elderly in this episode. Besides the bickering couple with the pears, there was that weird business of Bert Cooper sitting in the reception room, just reading a magazine and eating an apple and checking out life’s parade like he’s sitting on a park bench. It was funny (I’ve known older business founders who whiled away their emeritus status almost exactly that way), but there’s something more going on.

Comment #16: Gracchus.  on  08/16  at  12:47 PM

That scene of Burt Cooper in the reception room cracked me up as much as Snooping Peggy. God I love that old coot.

Comment #17: Mighty Ponygirl  on  08/16  at  12:49 PM

There’s enough good in Don that he can turn things around.

My sense is that any salvation for Don lies in his love for his children. Unlike Betty, he actually likes them and, when he’s with them, seems almost equally concerned with their own happiness as he is with his own.

Note in that episode before this how he shoos Layne and his hooker away from the kids’ room to his own, and then does his own business on the living room couch. Don may be stuck compartmentalising his life, but that’s not always a bad thing.

Comment #18: Gracchus.  on  08/16  at  12:52 PM

Can’t argue with the analysis.

When Allison gave in to Don (and she also seemed to be pretty into it when she did), I told Mrs DBK “Well, now she’s going to have to quit her job.”  I knew this would happen.  Kudos to Allison for throwing something at Don’s head (and she threw it very well, too, and not “like a girl”, which the show could have had her do in order to shove in a layer of “old school” thinking regarding women and sports).  Yes, Peggy was right that Allison should get over it, but Allison deserves some sympathy.  Whatever it was she expected from sleeping with the boss, she was treated as shabbily as a person could be treated and Don played the Maximum Dick.  “Write something up and I’ll sign it”?  My mouth dropped open in an exaggerated fashion when he said that.

Peggy is definitely not compartmentalizing.  She’s being full on Peggy.  I’m looking forward to her breaking it off with her boyfriend, who will then turn on her and call her a slut for sleeping with him.  He may even throw in some guilt for “taking” HIS virginity and not making him wait for marriage.  Oh what a fun day that will be.

Comment #19: DBK  on  08/16  at  01:07 PM

I thought it was awesome that Pete was throwing his father-in-law’s terms of their relationship back at him.  The end of s1 was Pete landing the account in exchange for some baby-making.  Trudy wanted to adopt a baby back in s2, and the f.i.l. tried to threaten Pete with taking away Clearasil if he didn’t agree.  “Every time you jump to conclusions, Tom, you make me respect you less. ... I’m done auditioning.  You gave us this under a certain pretext”—- I don’t see this as Pete blackmailing Tom, just him ruthlessly cashing in on how Tom’s treated him for years.

Comment #20: Dan Watson  on  08/16  at  01:14 PM

I feel like Peggy is defintely the character with the brightest future.  Her possibilities are limitless really.  I love the character so much.  I don’t think Don has a future.  I think his future is in the past.  But maybe I’ll be wrong.  I don’t really care if I am, it’s really been since Buffy that I’ve enjoyed a show this much, and just totally given myself up to it.  I don’t try and figure what’s going to happen next (buffy had tons of unexpected and mind-blowing developments during first-run).  I just sit and wait, and I’m amazed.  It’s so rare, but when it comes along, it’s a gem.

Comment #21: JennyLI  on  08/16  at  01:19 PM

* sit and watch, I mean.

Comment #22: JennyLI  on  08/16  at  01:20 PM

I loved that shot of Peggy peering over/though the wall!! smile

I’m just wondering if the look that Peggy was giving Pete was “Maybe he should KNOW about his other child”. It would be an interesting thing to explore - if Don can’t tell Anna that he has the big C but Peggy somehow works up the courage to tell Pete about his out-of-wedlock child.

Pete is sort of mellowing a bit with the child news - he actually apologized at the restaurant. I was shocked - very un-Petelike so far. Maturity though? I’m not entirely sure if the “old” Pete will be entirely banished.

I like any episode where there’s more of Trudy (Alison Brie). I love her in Community too.

Comment #23: Danica Lefse Queen  on  08/16  at  01:22 PM

@ 20, yeah that wasn’t blackmail.  That was the changing of the power dynamic.  His father-in-law was the power figure in the relationship, and now Pete has pissed on him and announced that he’s the big dog.

That’s why the father-in-law called him a son-of-a-bitch.  That is him surrendering.

Comment #24: JennyLI  on  08/16  at  01:23 PM

Danica, Peggy already told Pete that she had their child and gave it away.

Comment #25: JennyLI  on  08/16  at  01:24 PM

I don’t see this as Pete blackmailing Tom, just him ruthlessly cashing in on how Tom’s treated him for years.

Yeah, you put it much better. There is a hint of blackmail, but he’s more upset because the worm just turned.

Comment #26: Gracchus.  on  08/16  at  01:25 PM

Now Pete has pissed on him and announced that he’s the big dog.  That’s why the father-in-law called him a son-of-a-bitch.  That is him surrendering.

More like a son-in-law of a b*tch, apparently (sorry, couldn’t resist).

Comment #27: Gracchus.  on  08/16  at  01:26 PM

What is that Don says to Faye? What someone has done in the past tells you nothing about what they’ll do in the future?
He was irked by the idea that people can be figured out from a superficial conversation in a focus group. Or that people’s stated desires and actions tell you everything about who they are and what they want. Faye doesn’t really have the empathy and compassion required for human insight anyway. She fakes it. But it’s interesting that Don comes off as more insightful than Faye about the inner lives of women in his argument with her.
Don and Peggy say the same thing at different points, Peggy to Allison and Don to Faye, that given the opportunity to talk unabated, people will pour their hearts out just because it feels good to talk. It made me think of the direction psychiatry is moving in in this period and of Betty’s psychoanalysis in the first season. It also made me wonder if somebody’s stint in therapy is being foreshadowed.

Comment #28: snobographer  on  08/16  at  01:34 PM

Now that Ponds is replaced by Vicks Chemical, what’s Freddy’s value now? As an AA sponsor for Don?

Comment #29: PeterO  on  08/16  at  01:47 PM

He was irked by the idea that people can be figured out from a superficial conversation in a focus group. Or that people’s stated desires and actions tell you everything about who they are and what they want. Faye doesn’t really have the empathy and compassion required for human insight anyway. She fakes it.

That’s why she’s an industrial psychologist and not a personal or group therapist. If she and her Randite mentor hadn’t existed, the ascendant HR/4th Purpose Culture would have created them. For the cogs to turn smoothly, all good employee-consumers must be placed in their proper psychographic slot.

But it’s interesting that Don comes off as more insightful than Faye about the inner lives of women in his argument with her.

If it comes off as insightful, it’s somewhat unintentional. Don is defending his own inner life in that argument, using his own supposed respect for women as a cover. In reality, he doesn’t have respect even for his protege Peggy—look at how he observes her fiddling with Faye’s ring.

Comment #30: Gracchus.  on  08/16  at  01:49 PM

They’re keeping Ponds, just dumping Clearasil for the Vicks cough line.

Wiki:

In 1961 [Clearasil] brand was bought by Richardson-Vicks.[2]
  In 1985 Richardson-Vicks was acquired by Procter & Gamble together with Clearasil.
  In 2000 Clearasil moved to the Boots Group portfolio.
  In 2006 Boots Healthcare International was purchased by Reckitt Benckiser and now Clearasil is a part of the RB portfolio.

Reckitt Benckiser also owns Lysol, which Joan’s husband mentioned last week. And Lever Bros, the same company that owns Pond’s, owns Dove and Suave, which is why we’re seeing all those dumb commercials.

I’ve been looking more closely at the product placement on this show. It’s kind of interesting.

Comment #31: snobographer  on  08/16  at  02:02 PM

@31 - Correction, Unilever, not Lever Bros. and that was PeterO @29

Comment #32: snobographer  on  08/16  at  02:06 PM

@ snobgapher. Oops and Ughh, I’m sorry. I thought Ponds said that there was a conflict because SCDP also represented Clearasil. Pete “lands” Vicks, which includes Clearasil. Will Ponds be OK with that (OK with SCDP representing the parent company, just not one product)? Will Vicks be OK with that? Just asking.

For example, Toyota says that SCDP can represnt GM, just not Chevrolet? I’m sorry to be dense. I’m not trying to troll. I ask, because Freddy seems pretty useless as a copywriter (except as maybe a bad example), and he bought his way back in to the job with Ponds. Just wondering if it’ll set up conflict, as well as making Freddy “useful”.

Comment #33: PeterO  on  08/16  at  02:29 PM

You know, considering that much of theme of the show is old vs. young, Pete’s f-i-l cursing him out hints at the relentless lament of older Americans at younger ones as the 60s goes on.  As the decade wore on, the fear and loathing of young people intensified as older people saw themselves getting swept out.  Movies like “Rosemary’s Baby”—-where a child is literally the devil—-are far from a coincidence.

Comment #34: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/16  at  02:29 PM

I loved the introduction of Joyce, and the way her attraction to Peggy was dealt with.  The elevator scene was so overt that I and surely plenty of other viewers were thinking “Are the writers really going down the road to ‘PEGGY’S BIG LESBIAN ENCOUNTER?’”  And it still looked like that when Peggy got the invite and arrived at the party- like it was all leading up to this storyline we’ve seen a thousand times before.  But then it was tossed off like the no-big-deal it actually is, with Joyce putting the moves on Peggy and Peggy letting her know she’s into it and then continuing to be her friend.  And then at the end of the episode, Peggy invites the cute receptionist to lunch on Joyce’s behalf.  That’s Peggy being a real friend and ally.

This had better not be the last we see of Joyce.  This show has a Queer Representation Deficit since the departure of Sal Romano, and I’d hate to have to levy a fine.

Comment #35: Dustin L  on  08/16  at  02:31 PM

And it would be nice to break with the usual closet drama and have a character that is out before we even meet her.

Comment #36: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/16  at  02:36 PM

Obviously, my comment at #35 should have read “letting her know she’s not into it.”  But I guess I got my point across.

And definitely, Amanda, something besides that same old closet story is always welcome.

Comment #37: Dustin L  on  08/16  at  02:41 PM

@33 - Clearasil and Pond’s are both topical facial beauty products, so the Pond’s people saw a conflict and requested that SCDP dump Clearasil, which is a smaller account anyway.
But there’s no conflict between Pond’s Cold Cream and Vick’s Cough Remedies.

The ad agencies just promote the products, not the umbrella companies those products are distributed by.
For instance, they can run an ad for Utz Potato Chips and at the same time run an ad for Velveeta cheese, even though Kraft, the company that owns Velveeta, probably owns a line of snack chips. As long as they’re not making ads for two competing brands at once, there’s no conflict.

Comment #38: snobographer  on  08/16  at  02:46 PM

Speaking of uncloseted gay folks, what ever happened to Kurt?

I was also glad they dealt with Joyce and Peggy’s friendship in a newer and more realistic way. A flirtation, a pass, a decline, no big. That’s life.
It’s so refreshing after all that torment with Sal. But there is the matter that lesbians aren’t culturally framed as a threat the way gay men are. Were lesbians back in the day more likely to be out than gay men?

Comment #39: snobographer  on  08/16  at  02:59 PM

Will Vicks be OK with that? Just asking.

They should be. If Trudy understands the concept of a conflict, I’m sure the executives at Vick’s can. And as Ken complains at the lunch, that’s the way the business normally works anyhow—no one agency gets a company’s entire business. But it looks like Pete has come as close as possible by strong-arming his father-in-law.

Comment #40: Gracchus.  on  08/16  at  03:00 PM

As the decade wore on, the fear and loathing of young people intensified as older people saw themselves getting swept out.  Movies like “Rosemary’s Baby”—-where a child is literally the devil—-are far from a coincidence.

Those movies were more about Gen-Xers—kids in a demographically smaller generational cohort were easier targets for insecure Silents and Greatests, whose beef really was with Boomers.

Comment #41: Gracchus.  on  08/16  at  03:05 PM

@33 & 38 - I don’t think they said explicitly, but during Pete’s announcement @ SCDP that he was bringing in Vick’s, Don/Pete had a few sentences re: how Clearasil was going to be handed off to someone else (another agency was my interpretation, but as I said, it wasn’t explicit).

Comment #42: Geocrackr  on  08/16  at  03:14 PM

Hmmm.  I’ve been interpreting Don’s assault on Allison as an assault.  (Granted, Allison herself probably didn’t view it that way, especially given that “sexual assault” didn’t exist in 1965.) 

While watching that scene and hearing her say stop with him not stopping, I thought to myself “if that were me in 1965, a powerless secretary, I’d have no choice but to let him have sex with me and I’d say it’s not-rape because he’s newly divorced and probably wife-shopping and maybe I can get a husband out of it.”  Then he made it patently clear that he’s not wife-shopping, so she’s back to square one, where she had to let him because she didn’t get a say in the matter anyway.  I was in the process of burning popcorn during most of the focus group and letter of recommendation scene, but her emotional reactions seemed pretty aligned with someone who’s been victimized and doesn’t know how to understand it.

Then again, maybe that’s why women got the reputation in this era of being so emotional.  They have to do everything they can to try to get a husband, end up getting raped a few times, but don’t have the language to describe why that was bad.  It’s enough to make anyone crazy.

Comment #43: stubbles  on  08/16  at  03:19 PM

@43 - I think Allison just wanted some kind of acknowledgment, like, “That was fun. Hope things aren’t weird.” But Don just iced her, like, “that shit didn’t happen.” We’ve all had an ill-advised casual hook-up or two, haven’t we? Even if we don’t expect a corsage or anything, if the person is all “thanks for bringing my keys, here’s your Christmas bonus and we’re done here” it still sucks.

Comment #44: snobographer  on  08/16  at  03:44 PM

snobographer—that’s the truly fucked up thing, is that as far as Don is concerned, he GAVE her that “Things aren’t weird, your job is safe” when he gave her his bonus and acknowledged that she was valued. It was incredibly tone-deaf and pretty sleazy, but I can absolutely see Don’s logic of saying “I just fucked my secretary, she’s probably a little freaked out, I should reassure her that I’m not going to sack her now that I’ve ‘completed my conquest,’ and that I do value her as an employee.” And of course, she’s thinking “great, I’m being treated like a prostitute.”

Same thing with the letter of recommendation. When she said “I want you to write me a letter of recommendation,” she was saying “I want you to value me.” And when Don suggested she write her own letter and he’d sign whatever came across his desk, what he was trying to say was “I won’t fight you, in fact, whatever you think is necessary for you to move on and maybe improve your lot I will endorse wholeheartedly, to the point where you could make up utter bullshit about typing 150 words per minute and single-handedly organizing all company meetings and parties, and I will attest to that because I want you to do well.” And she heard “I’m not going to lower myself to writing anything positive about you, do it your damn self, bitch.”

I mean, I know this is drifting towards Mars/Venus territory, but it was still so well-written and executed I can’t fault it at all.

Comment #45: Mighty Ponygirl  on  08/16  at  03:57 PM

Amanda wrote:

What I worry about is this as a plot device.  I’m allergic to giving a character a disease, whether self-inflicted or not.  Whether a character is struck with cancer or an addiction, it’s a short leap from “fascinating TV show with some amount of suspense” to “afterschool special”.

Thirteen’s Huntington’s Disease on House wasn’t handled too badly, and Lt Roberts’ lost leg made up a few shows on JAG, but then it became a minor, not mentioned every episode deal.

Comment #46: Dana  on  08/16  at  04:00 PM

Also, Dennis Franz as Andy Sipowicz in NYPD Blue played a character’s alcoholism in a very non-After-School-Special way.

Comment #47: catfood  on  08/16  at  04:13 PM

What Peggy told Allison was right, but I don’t think she chose the right way to get the message across. She went looking for Allison, drew her out and encouraged Allison to confide in her, and then jumped on her fpr what she said. It’s like opening a can of worms and then getting pissed off that there are worms inside.

But from a storytelling point of view, I think it’s wonderful when characters sometimes say the right thing, in the absolute wrong way. That’s something she and Pete have in common.

Comment #48: ttintagel  on  08/16  at  04:19 PM

@45 Yeah, where Don’s screwing up here is he’s not thinking about how Allison feels about the whole thing beyond what she thinks of him. He’s presuming the whole matter for himself and not giving her an opening. And he doesn’t know how to say “I fucked up.” All he knows how to do is pretend he didn’t fuck up. So he’s all Respectable Business Man Boss, “we’re both adults. your job is safe. I’ll sign your letter of recommendation” when Allison wants something more human.
I don’t know if it’s Mars/Venus territory. I’ve rewatched the Christmas episode and Don’s fairly taken-aback when Allison just gets up and leaves like two seconds after fucking him. If she’d said, “I’m supposed to meet people from work and they know I came here” he probably would have understood, but the way it’s played out I think he was under the impression that she was rejecting him. So, along with all Don’s self-esteem issues, I think we’re to understand that’s part of why he’s been so cluelessly guarded and steely with Allison.

Comment #49: snobographer  on  08/16  at  04:26 PM

snobographer—but that was part of of the rules back then. She didn’t have an opening. If a woman expressed to a man how she was feeling, she was desperate and unwomanly. She’s supposed to wait for him to tell her how he feels, anything else would be seen as throwing herself at him.

Comment #50: Mighty Ponygirl  on  08/16  at  05:02 PM

Yeah I know and/but it doesn’t help matters that he’s not expressing much for concern about how she feels or what she thinks until she starts breaking things.
Judging from all the commentary on other blogs about how she’s hoping he’ll marry her, I’d say those attitudes about women being desperate are very much still with us.

Comment #51: snobographer  on  08/16  at  05:43 PM

I guess I had been interpreting Allison’s confusion a little differently… that her internal excuses for his behavior were coming out of a nascent infatuation she had for him rather than either a passive acceptance or a calculated desire of his presumed wife shopping.  When he made a pass at her, she was shocked and surprised, but was unwilling to see it as assault and victimization, because she wanted it to be meaningful.  When she realized that it wasn’t, she was doubly hurt by both the full weight of having been victimized and the subsequent rejection (hence this episode’s title).

Comment #52: jamie d  on  08/16  at  06:39 PM

Stubbles, I’m so glad to know I’m not the only one who thinks that. Commenters on all the other Mad Men blogs seem to take the position that since she didn’t kick him in the nads after he refused to stop, that she was magically transformed into an equal participant and that she likely went there hoping it would happen in the first place.

Where one person has to obey another person;s orders, there’s no question of equality, even in other areas of their lives. Even if Alison wasn’t consciously saying to herself, “I’ve got to screw him or lose my job,” there was 0 chance that that could be eliminated from the equation. The power dynamic between the two of them guarantees that coercion is in the mix somewhere, as surely as it was with Pete and the au pair.

Comment #53: ttintagel  on  08/16  at  07:14 PM

Not to mention, they’ve been drawing some pretty heavy parallels between Allsion and Sally.

Comment #54: ttintagel  on  08/16  at  07:15 PM

He pulled away when she did, and then she grabbed onto him and went to town. She was pretty happy about the whole thing until he iced her the next day.
I think the power discrepancy and other circumstances known to Allison (Don’s divorce, the fact that he had no history of hitting on secretaries, their little bonding experience over the letter to Santa, etc.) gave her the impression that he wouldn’t have come on to her if he didn’t like her enough to at least have a casual fling with her. He might have had that intention at the time, but she gave him the impression she wasn’t into it when she suddenly got up and left after.
So he’s left thinking she did it out of obligation and all he can do is apologize and act like it never happened, and from that she’s left with the impression that he’d just used her and cast her off. It’s awful, but it’s just a matter of crossed signals and Don’s unwillingness to talk. I didn’t see him leveraging power and barreling into her like Peter did to the au pair.

Comment #55: snobographer  on  08/16  at  08:40 PM

Like I said, snobographer, he didn’t HAVE to consciously leverage power. That was built-in.

If he hadn’t though of her as his good, compliant litle girl, do you think he would have believed her when she said no? He didn;t push it with any of the other women he made drunken passes at. He didn’t have to consciously think about manipulating her because he knew he didn’t have to.

Comment #56: ttintagel  on  08/16  at  09:01 PM

Probably because I’m currently experiencing an analogous situation, professionally, I completely understood why Peggy yelled at Allison. All it takes is one person to sleep with the boss for people to start assuming that that’s how women get ahead. And that is a really fucking irritating thing to have to live with every day.

Comment #57: LauraB  on  08/16  at  09:59 PM

@56 So was Roger and Joan’s ongoing fling just a series of rapes then?

Comment #58: snobographer  on  08/16  at  11:37 PM

Roger boinking Joan was sexual harassment, yes.

I just re-watched the Don and Allison scene and I still view it as assault.  No, it doesn’t look like what we think rape is, hell, it wasn’t rape and it probably doesn’t qualify as legal assault, either.  But then, neither does Joan/Roger’s situation look like sexual harassment. 

If you’ve never been in a position where you decide “this is going to happen, so I might as well choose it,” then lucky you.  That doesn’t make Allison less victimized.  As Ttinagel said, he doesn’t have to reference his power since Allison was doing it for him.

Comment #59: stubbles  on  08/17  at  01:40 AM

As for sexual harassment as we know it, Roger is still talking sexually to Joan at the office, who obviously doesn’t care for it, for whatever reason, at this point.

On the good news point: Alison may find it not only more “interesting” to work for a woman, but find that in working at a women’s magazine, it will be expected and encouraged for a secretary to move up into more responsible jobs.

Exactly the opposite of Sterling Cooper, where Joan and Peggy are the exceptions who prove a rule: that secretaries are office wives, servants and occasional sex partners, and the only vertical move is, rarely, as second wife.

Comment #60: judybrowni  on  08/17  at  02:04 AM

Because she’s married and she’s sick of being treated like a party favor.
By the way, how about that Miss Blankenship? That was Joan’s handiwork.

I suppose Allison’s going to work for Cosmo. Maybe she’ll write an expose’ on lecherous executives.

Comment #61: snobographer  on  08/17  at  05:31 AM

Oh also, Joan had called Roger for help finding a job when they split the agency off and made her office manager or head of operations or whatever she is now. In those circumstances and that environment, if I was Joan I’d be concerned that Roger thinks I owe him. And maybe it will come up that he does think she owes him.

Comment #62: snobographer  on  08/17  at  05:43 AM

Similar to your worries about what alcoholism might do to the show, my wife and I were discussing how Don and Betty’s divorce has made the show far less interesting.  Prior to this season, Don was sort of a James Bond character.  There was this feeling that his cover could be blown at any minute and the shit would hit the fan.  Well, now it has and it did, and it’s much less fun watching him be an lonely loser than it was to watch him be a lecherous asshole.

Comment #63: Informis  on  08/17  at  12:09 PM

The alcoholism could be a plot device to get Don to drop acid, which at that time was ‘experimental’ therapy for what was usually an intractable problem outside of AA or expensive drying-out places back then.

I looked it up, and this would be after the time-frame that Cary Grant dropped acid under the guidance of a therapist, so it wouldn’t be that ‘strange’ or unusual or involve dragging in hippies from Central Casting.

Comment #64: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  08/17  at  03:24 PM

“All it takes is one person to sleep with the boss for people to start assuming that that’s how women get ahead.”

I didn’t get the impression that Allison slept with Don to get ahead, nor did I get the impression that Allison thought Peggy slept with Don to get ahead. It read to me more like, “You went through this, how did you cope?” I’ll have to rewatch, but I don’t think the subject of Peggy’s advancement came up at all.

Comment #65: ttintagel  on  08/18  at  01:25 PM

peggy’s advancement didn’t come up, but allison clearly assumed that Peggy had slept with Don; since Peggy is/was Don’s protege (and a looooong long time ago, his secretary) the assumption would be directly linked with her career.

Comment #66: jadehawk  on  08/19  at  01:06 AM

What I’m saying, and what I think Ttintagel is saying, is that it’s not so much Allison thinks Peggy “slept” with Don, but that Peggy “went through this.”

Actually, damn it, I only caught bits and pieces of this entire scene since I was in the process of burning popcorn so let me re-watch it.

Allison:
“I don’t know how you stand how he turns on the charm and then yanks it away.”
“I realize you must have gone through everything I’ve gone through.”
“Now I know:  he’s a drunk, and they get away with murder because they forget everything.” [WOW if that’s not a ridiculously astute statement of the era!]

Peggy:
“You should just get over it.”

Yeah, I mean, I can see how people would think this was consensual in the way we understand consent and sexual relations today.  Today, we take it for granted that sometimes you sleep with someone expecting more afterward and if you don’t get it, that hurts.  But Allison’s word choice “gone through everything I’ve gone through” and “get away with murder” complete with Peggy basically victim-blaming (lord knows we still tell rape victim they’ve been depressed long enough) suggests that this wasn’t meant to be viewed through 2010’s version of sexual politics.

Ttintagel, Peggy’s advancement didn’t come up at all, you’re right.  In fact, I wonder if the cultural meme of “sleeping with the boss to get promoted” actually existed back in the day?  I thought it was taken for granted that secretaries occasionally provided sexual favors for the bosses and that was part of the unofficial job description, not an extra duty you take on in the hopes of getting a promotion.  Allison was definitely speaking in the past tense; “must have gone through everything I am.”

(Yes, I’m still tracking this thread days later.  No one else in my life watches Mad Men to hash out the assault/sexual politics of this with me!)

Comment #67: stubbles  on  08/19  at  02:01 PM

@stubbles

It’s been a (comparably) long time since I watched the early seasons and I am feeling lazy, but I believe that when Peggy was promoted that the men thought it was because she had slept with Don.  So, even if it isn’t how Allison meant it, I think Peggy might still take it that way.

In addition, Allison’s description of how she was treated by Don (with the exception of the drunkenness thing) is pretty apt for how Pete used to treat Peggy back in the day.  Given the Peggy/Pete semi-reconciliation this episode, that might also explain Peggy’s harsh response.

Off-topic: my boyfriend and I still mostly refer to Pete as Connor and have a lot of fun judging Pete’s actions in comparison to Connor’s.  Pete seems like he might finally be becoming someone that Good Connor would understand, maybe respect.  When he assaulted the downstairs nanny, we were pretty sure that Connor the Destroyer would have commenced cutting off ears.

Comment #68: Atheist, A Feminist  on  08/19  at  02:36 PM
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