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Mad Men Monday: What I want vs. what’s expected of me vs. ?

Was there any doubt that Don was impressed by what Dr. Faye Miller said to him at the Christmas party?  On last night’s episode, he echoed her sentiments to Lane, suggesting he stop asking what’s expected of him, and starts asking what he wants.  What’s expected of me vs. what I want—-according to Dr. Miller, it’s that simple. 

Dr. Miller should have familiarized herself, as a psychologist, with the concept of rationalization, because that’s what she was doing when she suggested she works with advertising agencies not because it works well, but because she wants to help people.  That they who work in advertising are somehow liberators, freeing people from what’s expected of them and giving them permission to pursue what they want (as long as they spend money doing it).  And so Don gives Lane that permission, and he’s done some good in the world, right?  So why does he look so sad?

In part, it’s because his only true friend in the world is dying, of course, but I think it’s more than that.  I think it’s because Don’s existential crisis is eating him alive, and he’s trying to drink all the time to blot it out, and yet, it won’t leave him alone.  And it’s because the phrase “what I want vs. what’s expected of me” was so profound to him.  He really has reduced life to this equation.  In this episode,  however, we’re reminded there are other options, other complications. 

For instance, where does doing what’s right fit into this neat little equation?  I’m sure a glib marketing psychologist would say “what’s right” is just another example of “what’s expected of me”, but Don’s little trip out to California was all about the difference between those two things.  Hiding from Anna that she’s dying of cancer is what’s expected of him, but is it right?  You could say it’s what he wants to do, but Anna’s family pitches their expectations at him based on what he wants, which is the past of least resistance.  And that’s what Dr. Miller’s neat little equation leaves out—-expectations are sometimes foisted on us by appealing to what we want, especially our laziest, most conflict-averse sides.  This question of how what’s right can be completely different from what’s expected is brought up in other ways.  The conversation about the sit-ins is particularly telling, especially since the young woman actually straight up says she agrees with what they’re doing (even if she doesn’t do it).  What I want vs. what’s expected isn’t the question here—-the measurement of value is what’s right.  What you want is less of a factor, especially since the young woman makes it clear that for many anti-war protesters, what they want is what’s expected.  They want to go to class, they’re expected to go to class, but they feel that they have to protest this war.  The older people laugh cynically at her.  They don’t deal in these terms of right vs. wrong, and in fact find the whole thing strange and silly.  Don tries to impose his worldview, suggesting the only thing that matters about the younger generation is those things they want, like rock and roll records and miniskirts, things that can be sold to them.  But the young woman laughs it off.  Not that those things don’t matter, but there is simply more to life than this. 

The what I want vs. what’s expected equation breaks down with Joan and her husband, as well.  When you look at Joan’s situation, the simplistic theory that there’s a real self with wants underneath all those layers of expectation seems inadequate to explain Joan’s pain.  On the contrary, Joan is caught in a tug-of-war of different expectations.  Her work expectations conflict with her family expectations.  Her expectation that she and her husband should start a family conflicts with his duty—-which is another word for “expectation”—-to serve in Vietnam, where he will undoubtedly be deployed.  Even, I think, the discussion about Joan’s previous abortions indicates how much life is often just a matter of conflicting expectations.  Is there any doubt that she had to get those abortions?  But if the one non-physician abortion resulted in sterility that prevented her from filling the expectation that she have children, then we can imagine that there would be much tongue-clucking about that. 

It’s interesting to me that it’s now, when Joan and her husband are basically stuck in this trap, that we finally see a spark of love between them.  It’s like hopelessness has given them a little space to look at each other for the first time.

We know what Joan wants, of course.  She wants a calm, peaceful life full of love and a work environment where she’s respected for her immense professionalism and talent.  But what’s expected of women at that time is to be too feeble-minded to handle all that.  Is Joan’s ability to defy what’s expected—-and get Lane to apologize—-a triumph over what’s wanted over what’s expected?  Or is it just a matter of what’s right and frankly what’s obvious winning out? 

And let’s not forget about the role chance plays in life.  Lane does what’s expected in sending flowers to his wife, but by a sheer accident, the flowers end up bringing an end to his marriage.  (By the way, that scene more than any was causing flipping out in our living room. It was a small but cutting example of how the writers on “Mad Men” don’t shy away from the various ways that life can really screw you over.)  Lane likes to exert control over his world, but that is impossible some times.  Still, I have a suspicion that he’ll be able to walk away from his night of debauchery with Don and back into his regular, controlled life.  Meanwhile Don is laying on his bed, staring into the abyss.  Glib little slogans that would reduce our choices to slot A or B don’t work in the real world.  And now, more than ever, there are no rules.

Obviously, I’m of the opinion that Don should have told Anna. But what do you think?  Was he in the right keeping the news to himself?

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 09:37 AM • (56) Comments

I was really intrigued by the scene where Joan hits her last straw and marches into Lane’s office and throws the flowers at him.  I was really curious as to wear she found the power to do that.  It certainly wasn’t in the law or the company culture at that time.  So did she find it because she had reached the point where she didn’t care if she lost the job?  Or did she know that she wasn’t going to lose her job no matter what?  And if she knows that, does that knowledge come from a confidence born out of extreme competency at what she does and the knowledge that they just aren’t going to go through what they’d have to go through to do it without her?  Or does it come from knowing that Roger won’t allow anyone to fire her? 

It was a riveting episode and I was blown away by John Hamm’s facial expressions.  He communicated devestation and deep heartbreak without a word.  It was rending.  He should be a huge movie star.  I wonder if he will be.

Comment #1: JennyLI  on  08/09  at  10:30 AM

I think Joan’s a lot like Don, except a more straightforward, honest version, and with that comes the same tendency to have a temper.

Comment #2: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/09  at  10:53 AM

Hiding from Anna that she’s dying of cancer is what’s expected of him, but is it right?  You could say it’s what he wants to do, but Anna’s family pitches their expectations at him based on what he wants, which is the past of least resistance.

You can see the conflict in him each time he looks at Anna.  It’s a dilemma I would hate to face.  Anna is calm, normal, cheerful, happy.  All that would disappear if she knew she had cancer.  While she deserves to know, it’s hard to be the one to burst that happy bubble.

I agree that a lot of the “what’s expected of you” for Don is having sex with everything that moves—playboy of the western world.  Yet he doesn’t have the heart for it, canceling his trip to Acapulco.

Either of Joan’s abortions could affect her ability to carry a pregnancy to term, if the person performing it wasn’t skilled and damaged the cervix.  Pregnancy and implantation would work okay, but the cervix might not hold. 

Her first abortion was performed by a midwife.  You might think this was terribly risky and that the midwife would be unskilled, but it was common for midwives to perform abortions until the 40s and 50s, when they were pushed out of business by the AMA.  This made it riskier mostly because they’d have to do it in secret and you might be afraid to go to the hospital for complications since it could mean punishment for them and you.  And also you might get someone who claims to have been a midwife but wasn’t.  You’d want to know your midwife, or get a good recommendation.

Amused by the smoking in the examining room by the way.  Yes, they smoked everywhere.  I remember ashtrays in bathroom stalls, theaters, grocery stores, and hospitals.

Comment #3: oldfeminist  on  08/09  at  11:19 AM

Gosh.  You just added so much to what was already a profound experience watching last night’s episode.  I just realized, also, how wild it is to think of Joan a few hours after unpacking from BlogHer and all that we’ve become since those years.  I’m about 10 years younger than she is but I can remember the Betty-types—and my own admiration of the “career girls” like Peggy.  Joan’s pain is inevitable though for a woman with such capacity and dreams; she doesn’t have the education to go into publishing or women’s mags and her options for her ambition are so very different from someone with more advantages in her life.  Smith “girls” like Betty Friedan or Gloria Steinem or, later, me and my peers, had, along with our anger, more to compensate for what was kept from us.  YES I know - Betty Draper went to Wellesley—but she was entrapped by her WASP expectations as well as the times.  For each of us the trap was a bit different.

As far as expectations and desires - your analysis was brilliant and right on.  The trouble is that as I watch Mad Men I am so pulled back into my teen years and those just before - my adoration of John Kennedy which brought me into politics for the rest of my life, Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, The Best of Everything (“Go ahead, read it” my mom said in the library with me at 14 “You might learn something”)  Camelot, The Fantastiks (“The boy leaves, the girl must stay; thus runs the world away.”)  So much is better than it was then - the trick is figuring out how to deal with what isn’t.

Anyway as you can see you have set off a deluge here in my heart this morning.  Thanks, and good good thinking.

Comment #4: csamuels  on  08/09  at  11:23 AM

Interesting point about midwives vs doctors oldfeminist.  Especially in light of the fact that as was pointed out in the episode, Joan became pregnant after her first abortion (the one performed by the midwife).  Both she and her doctor assumed she could not have been damaged by the abortion he performed.

I wonder if that is where they are headed with that. 

On Anna - I thought she knew she was dying, and I thought that when they both signed the wall, he realized she knew.  It was unspoken because she wanted it unspoken.  That’s the way I took it, but I could be wrong.

Comment #5: JennyLI  on  08/09  at  11:26 AM

YES I know - Betty Draper went to Wellesley—but she was entrapped by her WASP expectations as well as the times.  For each of us the trap was a bit different.

I think it was interesting to see, in the conversation between Gene and Sally, last season, that Betty’s father had very unorthodox expectations for his daughter. That she “lived up” to her mother’s expectations, instead, I think speaks to Betty’s shallowness, insecurities, and—yes—vanity.

Comment #6: draeton  on  08/09  at  11:52 AM

Agreed, oldfeminist, that the odds are good she had a skilled abortion.  Most providers were skilled in the illegal days—-in fact, most septic abortions were from women trying to self-abort.  But I think they left the door open with the “she said she was a midwife”.  What if she wasn’t?  It’s very scary stuff.

Comment #7: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/09  at  12:05 PM

Quick thought:

One of the reasons Don might have withheld that information from Anna could be that he was trying to be “part” of her family - how ever dysfunctional it was.  He might be looking to belong somewhere, even if it only keeps him connected to Anna by proxy.

Does anyone think that he’ll see the niece and sister again?

P.S.
Was a lurker that’s finally decided to comment…so this is my first chance to say thanks to you, Pam and Jesse for a sweet blog.  I am looking forward to participating more now that I’m logged in and registered.

Comment #8: Wintah Hill  on  08/09  at  12:30 PM

“I’m of the opinion that Don should have told Anna. But what do you think?  Was he in the right keeping the news to himself?”

I’m also of the opinion that Don should have told Anna or somehow stayed longer and convinced the sister/niece to do it with him…he’s in the persuasion business after all…one could almost call it a VOCATIONAL DUTY!

However, he may have tried to “do the right thing” in this case instead of what his instincts told him. He’s pretty low in self-confidence right now because his instincts have been so shitty in the personal realm, as he sees his divorce as a personal failure. So, perhaps much of the episode was about “what’s expected vs what one wants” and Don actually tried to do “what was right” but fucked up once again?

Comment #9: Thealogian  on  08/09  at  01:01 PM

What I want vs. what is expected of me vs. ?

Versus what you can do about it.

Don is able to do less and less in this new world, he can’t even escape New York anymore, let of all stop the hand of Time. But the other characters all take

Anna’s niece confidently asking who’s in charge while making her own decisions about how to protest family and nation, the inevitability of Anna’s death by cancer, Lane’s consideration for his secretary’s dislike for pipesmoke, Joan confronting Lane over the roses, and most certainly Joan’s husband showing his one moment of competence at last: “At least I can affect this.”

That was the theme of “The Good News”, and The Sixties overall.

Comment #10: Yamara  on  08/09  at  01:03 PM

“let of all stop the hand of Time. But the other characters all take “=
let alone stop the hand of Time. But the other characters all take action.

Don’t know what happened, thought I Previewed it, too.

PS - AnglScarlett @1: Joan finds the power because she is a married woman getting flowers. Yes, she could get fired, but there’s a man’s theoretical wrath behind her, too.

Comment #11: Yamara  on  08/09  at  01:08 PM

I think they left the door open with the “she said she was a midwife”.  What if she wasn’t?  It’s very scary stuff.
Comment #7: Amanda Marcotte on 08/09 at 11:05 AM

Wow, “said,” good catch!

With increasing mobility, you might easily end up hundreds of miles from where you grew up when you’re in your 20s, so you wouldn’t know where to go, or who’s good versus who’s a butcher.  You’d have to hope you asked the right person—but not ask the wrong person.

Comment #12: oldfeminist  on  08/09  at  01:12 PM

On Anna - I thought she knew she was dying, and I thought that when they both signed the wall, he realized she knew.  It was unspoken because she wanted it unspoken.  That’s the way I took it, but I could be wrong.
Comment #5: AnglScarlett on 08/09 at 10:26 AM

I don’t think there was time.

I mean, I can’t imagine being that sanguine, sunny, rainbow-striped and happy having learned I was to die soon of cancer.  It would take more than a little weed to smooth that one out.

Comment #13: oldfeminist  on  08/09  at  01:19 PM

oldfeminist—

the last stage of grief is acceptance. Anna knows, and she would have had to know for a while to have the lie for how she broke her leg ready to serve Dick when he walked in the door. She’s come to accept it.

Her lie about slipping on the fried egg was the same thing as Don lying about bringing the kids out for Easter.

Comment #14: Mighty Ponygirl  on  08/09  at  01:24 PM

What you want is less of a factor, especially since the young woman makes it clear that for many anti-war protesters, what they want is what’s expected. 

In Berkeley in 1964 it was almost certainly the FSM, not the anti-war movement, that the characters were alluding to.

Comment #15: Ben Alpers  on  08/09  at  01:55 PM

I was stunned by the fact that Anna’s family knew what was going on but she was kept in the dark.  I thought “how is that even possible?”.  Well, it’s not in this current era of patient rights (albeit inadequate) and medical privacy.  I’m guessing not informing women of their condition back then was more common than not informing men, due to perceptions of women’s mental faculties and perceptions of men being responsible for families. 

I agree with Mighty Ponygirl, though, that Anna senses the end is near.  You know when you’re sick.  You may not know what it is, but you know things aren’t as they should be.

Comment #16: DonnaDiva  on  08/09  at  02:12 PM

You may not know what it is, but you know things aren’t as they should be.

As my mother put it, you feel your life gradually going down in your body.

Comment #17: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  08/09  at  02:21 PM

Thea, agreed.  And I think it’s because Don can’t tell the difference between what’s expected and what’s right.  I would suggest the overriding theme of “Mad Men” is how this is an endemic problem in America, and that the civil rights and anti-war movements were an attempt to clarify the difference between “what’s right” and “what’s expected of me”, not that it necessarily took.

Comment #18: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/09  at  02:21 PM

I think it was interesting to see, in the conversation between Gene and Sally, last season, that Betty’s father had very unorthodox expectations for his daughter. That she “lived up” to her mother’s expectations, instead, I think speaks to Betty’s shallowness, insecurities, and—yes—vanity.
Comment #6: draeton

I think Grandpa Gene tried to redo his relationship with Betty through Sally. That dream Betty had last season when she was giving birth to baby Gene was a little window into her childhood and her relationship with her parents. Betty’s father had regarded her as “a housecat…very important with little to do.” His expectations for Betty were the same as Betty’s mother’s expectations for Betty. Be quiet and ladylike and get yourself married and off our hands. It’s just that, by the time he figured out those expectations were wrong and damaging, it was too late.

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On Don telling Anna - I think there’s no right thing he could have done. Presuming Anna’s family didn’t have her best interests at heart and going around their wishes may have been as wrong as not telling her. I don’t know how Anna’s sister could have taken her to all those doctors she talked about without Anna catching on anyway, not to mention the disease is in her personal body.

His hitting on that young woman had me reeling though. Christ, Don, give your dick a rest already. Ass hound.

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I think there’s some interesting parallels between Don fucking Allison last week and his getting Lane a hooker this week. He’s still operating in an old-world way that seems to be eroding his coworkers’ respect for him. Drunk Lane’s a kick in the pants though.

Comment #19: snobographer  on  08/09  at  02:39 PM

I can’t agree with the statement that “most providers [of abortion] were skilled” back in the early ‘60s.

There was no way of telling, especially if you were in the lower middle class, or poor.

Women in the upper middle class or in wealthy neighborhoods often had connections and opportunities to board certified doctors. They could afford to fly to Puerto Rico, or more easily get a D & C certified by the board of the local hospital, or even receive one from their family physician so connected with the elite that he didn’t fear prosecution from the police. (But not always: board’s could turn women down for a D & C capriciously, even well-connected phsycians wanted nothing to do with the risks, women might not be aware of those options—remember Betty’s option during her pregnancy, the rumor in a beauty salon of “a doctor in Albany.”)

It’s why Joan’s first “procedure” was from someone who “said she was a midwife,”—before Joan became a powerhouse at SC, and had access to an open-minded Manhattan Upper Eastside physician, Joan had to take pot luck.

One of the reasons the Supreme Court legalized abortion was because the odds of acquiring a safe abortion was weighted by race and class.

Lower middle class, poor and black women died and were maimed at horrific numbers compared to white women from the upper middle class.  At least in part, because urban hospitals in blighted neighborhoods approved next to no D & Cs, hospitals in leafy white suburbs approved hundreds.

As late as 1968-69, I was ready to take a recommendation for an abortionist from a local campus character we all called “Crazy Charlie” for what-seemed to be tall tales of his sexual exploits (he’d had sex in a church! and so on and so forth.)

But I was ready to take on face value what Crazy Charlie said one day: that he knew a doctor in Philadelphia who would perform an abortion for $200. (To give you an idea of how much money that was 40 years ago, it was 1/10 of my yearly tuition and board at state college: adjusted for inflation, $2,000.)

But if I had gotten pregnant, I would have spent that money, and trusted my health and fate to a Crazy Charlie, and the man he claimed was a doctor—who could have been a nurse, mid-wife, or have no medical training whatsoever. Because I wanted to have a future beyond that of my high school friends who’d gotten pregnant at 14 and 16, forced to marry, drop out of high school and live with their teenage husbands in their parent’s furnished basement.

I would have risked my life for my future, with no idea whatsoever who would be performing that abortion.at a time when the New York Daily News printed photographs of women who had died in a pool of blood, after illegal abortions. Not all of them self-inflicted.

As is outlined in the book When Abortion Was a Crime by Leslie L. Reagan which has been made available in it’s entirety on Google Books. If there’s a better resource available on abortions in the period I’m not aware of it.

http://books.google.com/books?id=lIaHNI0QrBEC&dq=when+abortion+was+a+crime&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=rjtgTPKKGYbQsAP5h5GrCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CCsQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q;&f;=false

Comment #20: judybrowni  on  08/09  at  02:42 PM

Also I doubt Dick/Don would want to be part of Anna’s family after Anna is gone—it’s obvious both of the women disapprove of him in different ways.

And both women consider him an ass hound: Don’s love of and from Anna come from her acceptance of him “as he is.”

Anna’s sister and niece don’t care for Don as he is.

Comment #21: judybrowni  on  08/09  at  02:49 PM

I was stunned by the fact that Anna’s family knew what was going on but she was kept in the dark.  I thought “how is that even possible?”.  Well, it’s not in this current era of patient rights (albeit inadequate) and medical privacy.  I’m guessing not informing women of their condition back then was more common than not informing men, due to perceptions of women’s mental faculties and perceptions of men being responsible for families.

I agree with Mighty Ponygirl, though, that Anna senses the end is near.  You know when you’re sick.  You may not know what it is, but you know things aren’t as they should be.
Comment #16: DonnaDiva on 08/09 at 01:12 PM

It was true of a lot of people, not just women.  The question of when/whether to tell the sick person they’re dying was a big one back then.  Especially if it was cancer, the Big C, which was basically just a death sentence and you’d be better off not knowing.  There was surgery, but it was pretty extreme, and chemo and radiation were both in their infancy.  If the cancer had spread you were basically just waiting for death.  Suicide was sometimes the patient’s response.

http://www.mmf.umn.edu/cancer/mccn/2010/surviving_cancer_reclaiming health.cfm
In the 1960s, cancer most often meant a dire prognosis. The percentage of people living at least five years after being diagnosed was in the single digits for most cancers.

President Roosevelt was not told of his fatal heart disease:
http://www.healthmedialab.com/html/president/roosevelt.html

If Anna knows, she’s known for a long time.  But, I don’t think it’s likely. 

It was easy back then to lie to people about medical stuff.  There was no Google, doctors were all-knowing.  And as her mother said, she’s been going to doctors since she was a kid because she had polio and her legs were always weak.  It would be easy to tell her the break was just another polio-related weakness, she wouldn’t know the difference.

The Sixties wasn’t an era of CrazySexyCancer.

Comment #22: oldfeminist  on  08/09  at  02:50 PM

It was also common in the ‘60s if the patient was aware she/he was dying of cancer, not to “inflict” that sad (or embarrassing) knowledge on others, even friends and relatives.

According to her biographer, Jacqueline Susann, author of the pop bestsellers such as Valley of the Dolls, kept her cancer from everyone but her husband, based on the way a friend had handled her own impending death.

It was considered “classy” to soldier on with a smile on her face, not “whining” about the inevitable.

Comment #23: judybrowni  on  08/09  at  02:57 PM

It still is.

Comment #24: helen w. h.  on  08/09  at  03:28 PM

“...because it works well, but…”

??? Do you mean “pays well” ???

Comment #25: Eric_RoM  on  08/09  at  03:31 PM

No, she means it works well; it gets people to buy things.


Anyhoo, I was also thinking about the facial and body language in that blow-up scene between Lane and Joan, when Joan chews out the incompetent secretary. It’s like Lane’s only just cluing in that Joan has a brain and a work-ethic and doesn’t just get by on her feminine wiles, sort of like Kinsey’s revelation about Peggy over the Western Union brainstorm. Still thought it was inappropriate for him to send Joan flowers, even if the notes weren’t switched. Just ask her into your office and apologize like a professional.

Comment #26: snobographer  on  08/09  at  03:44 PM

It’s like Lane’s only just cluing in that Joan has a brain and a work-ethic and doesn’t just get by on her feminine wiles, sort of like Kinsey’s revelation about Peggy over the Western Union brainstorm. Still thought it was inappropriate for him to send Joan flowers, even if the notes weren’t switched. Just ask her into your office and apologize like a professional.
Comment #26: snobographer on 08/09 at 02:44 PM

I think they all know she’s got the organizational skills.  In those days, secretaries really did do a lot of the work and you crossed them at your peril.  They just didn’t get financial respect. 

Joan is the office manager, and she hires and fires the secretaries.  Though of course part of that job is matching the right secretary to the right boss, and when there’s a conflict, you know who goes out the door.

Comment #27: oldfeminist  on  08/09  at  03:59 PM

“Obviously, I’m of the opinion that Don should have told Anna. But what do you think?  Was he in the right keeping the news to himself?”

He wanted to tell her, but just chose to defer to family, which is especially powerful for him since he doesn’t have one.  The show continues its trend of not being subtle enough, as Anna’s sister says he has no say in the affairs of the family, then he goes into the house and talks with Anna about how not everybody has a family.  Same as a few minutes earlier, when Anna says “I know everything about you, and I still love you.”  Not really needed.  But I love how this show can take such a small amount of time and portray a very rich and complicated sibling relationship.  My favorite was Rachel Menken’s sister, who I think had about 2 minutes of screen time in season 1, but we know exactly who that person is.

Comment #28: Dan Watson  on  08/09  at  04:00 PM

@27 - I was basing my take on Lane’s changing opinion of Joan on what he’d said to her when she asked for some extra time off, about how all men are powerless against her charms except him. Plus his surprised expression when she called out the secretary on not taking responsibility for her mistake and used the word “egregious” (ooo fancy!). I know he’s seen her competence; a financial officer and office manager usually work pretty closely. But I think he hadn’t put much consideration into what she does for the company.

Comment #29: snobographer  on  08/09  at  04:09 PM

I thought she knew she was dying, and I thought that when they both signed the wall, he realized she knew.  It was unspoken because she wanted it unspoken.  That’s the way I took it, but I could be wrong.

That’s how I took it too.  Anna’s not naive, she can put two and two together (the leg breaking being a big clue).  She doesn’t want to burden Don who’s panicked at losing his best friend.  Anna just wants it to be how it always has been with Don since he started visiting her.  The wall and the dialogue (and the fact that Don didn’t leave the next day) indicated they also knew that each other knew.

Comment #30: Froley  on  08/09  at  04:10 PM

That’s how I took it too.  Anna’s not naive, she can put two and two together (the leg breaking being a big clue).  She doesn’t want to burden Don who’s panicked at losing his best friend.  Anna just wants it to be how it always has been with Don since he started visiting her.  The wall and the dialogue (and the fact that Don didn’t leave the next day) indicated they also knew that each other knew.
Comment #30: Froley on 08/09 at 03:10 PM

Maybe you missed her mother saying the breaking leg was easily explained to her as another new aftereffect of the polio she had as a child, which already had messed up her legs.

If I knew I had terminal cancer, and my close friend just learned I had it, I sure as shit wouldn’t be acting like everything was fine and we could get together another time.

He stayed exactly one extra day.  Anna’s mother said he better leave before he slips and says something about it.  If they both knew, he would have stayed even longer.  Why would he not?  They’re probably never going to see each other again and she’s still relatively unsick and he’s got a week’s vacation ahead of him.

Instead he leaves.

Painting the daisy and signing the wall?  She’s a late-blooming flower child, enjoying her grass and sunshiny California and hanging out all day.

Comment #31: oldfeminist  on  08/09  at  04:50 PM

@27 - I was basing my take on Lane’s changing opinion of Joan on what he’d said to her when she asked for some extra time off, about how all men are powerless against her charms except him. Plus his surprised expression when she called out the secretary on not taking responsibility for her mistake and used the word “egregious” (ooo fancy!). I know he’s seen her competence; a financial officer and office manager usually work pretty closely. But I think he hadn’t put much consideration into what she does for the company.
Comment #29: snobographer on 08/09 at 03:09 PM

Well, sort of.  He doesn’t think about what she puts into the company because she’s female and therefore he doesn’t have to treat her well.  She’s “just a secretary” even when she’s not.

Today we automatically think a person who is very valuable to the company should be well paid or at least respected.  That wasn’t the case for secretaries.  Joan got extra consideration by using her physical charms, doling out the promise and sometimes the execution based on the status of the male and what he has to offer.  She hasn’t had to withhold things to get her way much yet.

That happens later.  And that’s part of the “bitter shrew” side of the coin, the supposed backlash to “using your looks”—“losing your looks.”

Popular wisdom even today has it that “losing your looks” inevitably leads to jealousy of the younger prettier women and it’s ugly and horrible.  But when one of your main sources of power is fleeting, you gotta use what you have.

What’s going to happen if/when she gets pregnant, I wonder?

Comment #32: oldfeminist  on  08/09  at  05:00 PM

The Sixties wasn’t an era of CrazySexyCancer.

There’s an animation from Monty Python wherein a man gets a spot on his face and dies from < redacted >.  I always assumed the real disease was something relatively racy like syphilis, but in reality it was cancer.  Mentioning cancer on BBC television was too offensive/risque for a show that regularly depicted men in drag.

Comment #33: keshmeshi  on  08/09  at  05:06 PM

He really should have told her but - HOW do you break that kind of news? It’s so immense. I was feeling quesy just thinking about being in that situation as I was watching it last night.

I also feel bad for Laine in a way but not really. If his wife wants to be back in England so badly and he doesn’t then, sure -  I think that’s the type of thing that should bring an end to a relationship that wasn’t quite working out.  But that’s just me - time is short.

Even shorter now for Anna.

Comment #34: Danica Lefse Queen  on  08/09  at  05:13 PM

Oh I’ve been through that lots of times. A guy does something at work and it’s recognized and respected. I perform the exact same task and, because I did it, it goes unnoticed or it’s presumed to be something a monkey could do. Or the guy must have shown me how, even though I trained him at his job. Seriously.

I guess Joan asking Lane if he wants in on a chicken order could be seen as flirting, but when Roger brings a bottle of Stoli into Don’s office to ask a favor or break some bad news, it’s pretty much the same thing isn’t it?

Comment #35: snobographer  on  08/09  at  05:16 PM

ES I know - Betty Draper went to Wellesley

Bryn Mawr, I thought.  Betty is a Philly girl.

Comment #36: jlk7e  on  08/09  at  05:57 PM

“I guess Joan asking Lane if he wants in on a chicken order could be seen as flirting, but when Roger brings a bottle of Stoli into Don’s office to ask a favor or break some bad news, it’s pretty much the same thing isn’t it?”

Exactly, snobographer.  But as you say, when a woman does it, she must be using sex to get what she wants.  Even if it’s just chicken, because you’re part of the sex class.

Can’t help thinking this is a joke on “Ain’t nobody here but us chickens.”

Comment #37: oldfeminist  on  08/09  at  05:59 PM

“Maybe you missed her mother saying the breaking leg was easily explained to her as another new aftereffect of the polio she had as a child, which already had messed up her legs.”

I saw that part, but I don’t think Anna believed the explanation.  She’s lived over 30 years on those legs and it’s probably not the only issue she’s having.

“If I knew I had terminal cancer, and my close friend just learned I had it, I sure as shit wouldn’t be acting like everything was fine and we could get together another time.”

Coincidentally, I heard today a friend talking on the phone to someone about this person’s brother who didn’t reveal to his family until this week that the doctors told him he has six months to live (he found out three months ago).  People react to terrible news differently. Some people continue to make plans even though those plans are unlikely to happen.  Maybe Anna will make it to Easter, but I took the look on their faces to mean that they both know that she won’t.

“Instead he leaves.”

I took that to be a comment on Don’s character.  He feels naked without obfuscation.  Even when he’s dealing with Anna, who knows him better than anyone else (maybe even Don/Dick himself).  He couldn’t tell her everything about his divorce.  And he’s going to convice Betty to let him take Sally and Bobby across the country on a major holiday to visit an unknown (to them) woman that granted Don his first “divorce”?  He’s selling Anna (and himself) bullshit; he just knows he better get out of there before she calls him on it (so he doesn’t have to face the unadulterated truth). 

“Painting the daisy and signing the wall?  She’s a late-blooming flower child, enjoying her grass and sunshiny California and hanging out all day.”

Do the things you love to do till the day you die.

Comment #38: Froley  on  08/09  at  06:06 PM

Tracy over at Jezebel put up a “is anyone else bored with Madmen” post today.  I really feel considering the source and considering how great last night’s episode was, that the post is about being the first to start the inevitable backlash, the new cool, rather than actually being bored with Madmen.

It annoyed me.

Comment #39: JennyLI  on  08/09  at  06:32 PM

A lot about Jezebel is starting to annoy me. I love how she focused on clothing and briefly touches on Joan’s storyline, rather than address Don and Lane at all.

Comment #40: JilliefromChile  on  08/09  at  07:01 PM

The clothes aren’t as pretty. That’s it! I’m done!

Also, Don Draper’s not the dashing vision of masculine perfection I’d fooled myself into thinking he was. :(

Comment #41: snobographer  on  08/09  at  07:41 PM

Is there supposed to be a parallel between Anna’s health and Joan’s?  Because Joan was told by her doctor that everything looks fine… but so is Anna.  And Joan’s doctor husband was acting paternalistic too…

(Newcomer to the show this season, so I miss a TON of subtext.)

Comment #42: FlipYrWhig  on  08/09  at  08:00 PM

I don’t think Joan is ill.  I think the doctor’s visit was about establishing that she and her husband are delaying child-bearing because of circumstances, setting us up for inevitable misery when he dies and she is once again alone in the world.

Comment #43: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/09  at  08:22 PM

I don’t think there’s a parallel between Anna’s health and Joan’s. Like the doc said, she conceived after the first abortion so if there’s any issue it would be from the second one which he performed, or from something else. Joan also referred Peggy to that doctor for BC pills in the first season. He told her not to become the “town pump” to get her money’s worth and that he’d cut off her supply if she became a “strumpet.” I think he’s her regular lady business guy and probably wouldn’t call up her husband to go behind her back about something, but I could be wrong; he’s proven to be quite the asshole. Joan’s got enough issues already without piling ovarian cancer or something on top of it.

Comment #44: snobographer  on  08/09  at  08:28 PM

OK.  Seemed like something funky going on thematically, related to medical care and reassurance and hiding/expressing pain.  But I was also totally confused about who Anna was.  They don’t make it easy for us newbies.

Comment #45: FlipYrWhig  on  08/09  at  08:31 PM

@ snobographer:  Like the doc said, she conceived after the first abortion so if there’s any issue it would be from the second one which he performed, or from something else.

True, but the Anna sequence also established that doctors don’t necessarily tell their patients the truth when they have bad news that can’t be helped, and Joan’s husband is being evasive with her, and Joan made an offhand comment about medical ethics.  But I don’t know anything about how these things have been handled in previous seasons.

Comment #46: FlipYrWhig  on  08/09  at  08:35 PM

Anna’s the wife of the real Don Draper, the guy whose dog tags and identity Dick Whitman stole when he was killed in front of him in Korea. Anna tracked him down back when he was still a used car dealer, they hit it off, he bought her a house and has been supporting her and visiting her on occasion ever since.

You’re right about doctors hiding things and going to their husbands behind their backs. They had a plotline back in season one where Betty was seeing a psychiatrist who’d call Don and tell him what she said in therapy. So maybe Joan’s doctor’s hiding something and maybe not. I don’t know. I just kind of doubt it because he’s known Joan longer than he’s known her husband, if he knows her husband at all.

Comment #47: snobographer  on  08/09  at  09:13 PM

Thanks, snobographer, those details really help make sense of what was going on in the latest ep.  I’m picking up on a lot of material about what women know, or what men allow women to know vs. what they keep them from knowing, so that’s what was making my antennae ping.

Comment #48: FlipYrWhig  on  08/09  at  10:00 PM

This might be a dead thread, but did anyone else find it a little weird that Peggy came in with Laine’s secretary to see if anything was wrong?  What was that about?

Comment #49: Antigone  on  08/10  at  04:39 PM

I think Peggy came in because:

1) she was there when Joan got the flowers
2) they were the the midst of a rather testy exchange regarding Peggy’s single/spinsterhood.

She was, IMO, being a little bit nosy and a little bit compassionate.

Comment #50: Atheist, A Feminist  on  08/10  at  09:24 PM

Basically, I thought the incident (exchange plus following Joan) highlighted Peggy’s odd position (because she’s a woman, former secretary, and values her career) in the company/society in general.

It also emphasizes how much no one else cares.

I think it would have been stranger if Peggy had just let Joan run off from their tense exchange.

Comment #51: Atheist, A Feminist  on  08/10  at  09:28 PM

Peggy kind of straddles the two worlds of the secretarial pool and the guys in the office. She’s asserting her authority more, like with Joey, but she hasn’t forgotten where she started. She respects Joan and tries to hold on to some kind of friendship with her, which was exemplified last season during the lawn mower episode when she interrupted the secretaries’ conversation about planning Joan’s goodbye celebration to find out what was planned and how she could contribute. The secretaries didn’t include her in the planning because she wasn’t one of them anymore. But she stepped in because she doesn’t consider herself to be not one of them. She’s not one of the guys either. She’s in some awkward space in between.

Comment #52: snobographer  on  08/10  at  10:48 PM

I think I liked your thoughtful analysis as much or more then the episode, Amanda.
I hope we continue to see more of Joan in this season.

Comment #53: AdamN  on  08/11  at  03:00 AM

Well, Joan does ask Lane if he’d like a breast or a thigh, and he says “Both.” wink

But seriously, both Lane and Don are asked innocent questions by women, and both jump to salacious conclusions. I get the feeling that Anna’s niece was Don’s fill in for Anna, while Lane gives Joan the reply he’d give to his wife (not to mention her flowers).

One could go further and say that this was the era when women were the sex class, and part of the being in sex class meant being “a piece of meat”, so when Lane says “I want my meat!”, he’s not just talking about his steak (especially when he holds it up as his belt buckle.  Not too subtle there.)

OK, that’s my entry into the “I’m reading way too much into the subtext” sweepstakes.

And I agree; Lane is a lot more likable when he’s drunk.  Who’d have known that he liked Gamera movies?

*No, seriously; a reporter once asked a new Miss America “A lot of people think you’re just a piece of meat.  What do you say to that?”
She said “I don’t think you’d be talking to me if you thought i was just a piece of meat.”
He later called to apologize.

Comment #54: Blue Jean  on  08/12  at  01:45 PM

“In those days, secretaries really did do a lot of the work and you crossed them at your peril.  They just didn’t get financial respect.”

In those days?

As a secretary (who has a master’s degree and feels damn lucky to have a job at all but resents being “just a secretary,” nonetheless), I think you are perhaps underestimating the amount of classist elitism in the contemporary office.

Comment #55: StellaTex  on  08/12  at  05:07 PM

StellaTex, you’re right, secretaries still get little financial respect.

The thing is, today you have at least the theoretical option of filing a sexual harassment or sex discrimination suit, and you’re supposed to get paid the same for the same job.  Though proving that requires knowing what everyone gets, and in some companies, sharing your salary information or that of others is a violation of company rules that will get you fired, so good luck with that.

And the unacknowledged pink-collar ghetto still exists and will exist so long as companies want it to and government isn’t strong enough to stand up to it.  Equal pay for equivalent work is “too hard” to fight for.

Comment #56: oldfeminist  on  08/13  at  05:15 PM
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