Setting aside the knuckle-dragging how-dare-those-dirty-hommasexshuls-deny-a-father-figure rubbish, I think “lesbianic” is definitely the best adjective I’ve come across in weeks.

It would be nice if the individual who wrote

There is such a thing as loving the sinner, but hating the sin. I wish all the best to Mary Cheney and her female sex partner. But it is tragic that she insists on forcing young kids to be raised in a homosexual household. In all cases, the welfare of the kids should be first, no matter how powerful or well-connected you are. Talk to any child who has been denied a loving father and you will find out the pain she is causing these poor kids.

could manage to work out that “I wish all the best to [these disgusting monsters]” really does not convince when paired with “forcing children to be raised in a [disgusting monster] household.” Really, why even bother pretending that you wish the disgusting monsters “all the best” when in the next line you deny them the right to do something as basically human as raising children?

I will never understand the love-hate relationship the right has with its own hypocrisy.

There is something quite perverse about a society that allows avowed and unrepentant homosexuals to unnaturally take on children as playthings.

Talk about “here be monsters” rhetoric.

I think “lesbianic” is definitely the best adjective I’ve come across in weeks.

I like it better when it’s spelled “lesbionic.”

I wonder if Hallmark makes a card for this occasion? Yathink? Congratulations on your baster bastard?

It’s right next to the “Congratulations on your most recent successful porking” card section, above the “way to not miscarry this time!” cards, available in any store where truly awful people shop.

I like it better when it’s spelled “lesbionic.”

But then you lose the messianic overtones. I think that’s my favorite aspect.

An observation for the Freeper:  I am expecting my first grandchild—that is right EXPECTING the same way my son and daugther-in-law are EXPECTING, and the same way Chaney and her spouse are EXPECTING.  You do not have to be directily involved with chromosomes delivery to become an EXPECTING Parent.

Another observation for the Freeper:  you lement the lack of a father for the Chaney child yet I hear no remorse of the Fatherless chlidren due to the TWO WARS we are fighting.  I am a father and I do not belittle what a father can contribute, but many a child has grown up without a father and managed to be good people.

Another observation for the Freeper:  How do you know that the test tube baby method is devoid of love?  I was able to produce two daugthers via this method, my sperm and my wife’s egg—we loved each other and wanted children—so meat head it is possible to have love in this test tube baby method.  YOU WERE NOT INVOLVED in the conception, you could not know about the love involved.

Please, please when you attend church (which I assume you do based on your references to sin) pay attention, you could gain some human kindness, and forgiveness (staples in most religions), if all else fails, perhaps you could pray for yourself, and become less judgemental

But “lesbionic” has awesome robot overtones.  Can’t decide which is more awesome.

btw I am joking about this so that I don’t start yelling and/or crying from reading all this hatefulness.

In the Farscape pilot, there was a point where the main character tries to explain basic empathy to another character, gets “Yes, I know this feeling. I hate it.” as a response, and responds, “You know what, I think I’m on the wrong side here.”

I keep waiting for more Republicans to hit that point. It does happen (read the Balloon Juice archives for an extended nonfictional version of the Farscape dialog), but a depressing number of Republicans never seem to think twice about who and what they’re aligning themselves with.

Enh.  The Republicans I’ve talked to, after eight years of Bush, to a person all have some hatred that they will not compromise on, no matter the cost.  Blacks, Hispanics, women, the poor, gays . . . there is someone they hate, and they’ll do what it takes to make them hurt.

Freepers react

Also, the sun rose this morning and the sky is blue.  No word on 2 + 2, however.

“Human play toy” what the fucking fuck?  Oooh those naughty lesbians, having a baby so they can feed, clothe, and change him/her!  So devious.

There is something quite perverse about a society that allows avowed and unrepentant homosexuals republicans to unnaturally take on children as playthings. What a tragedy it will be for these poor kids to be deprived a[n] father adult figure from the day they were born. I respect Dick Cheney humans with empathy, but I don’t understand why he is allowing his daughter to take innocent children into her lesbianic freeper home. Can anyone claim that these kids won’t be scarred for life? So sad.

There.  Fixed it.

Ye gods, are they still on about Murphy Brown?

And all this talk about denying the sprogs a “loving father”.  Never mind the homophobia, never mind the fact that two of the last three presidents of the United States were raised in non-traditional families...do they honestly believe that every pollinating male is automatically Ward Cleaver?

“lesbianic”

I’m gonna start using this ALL the time. Would the male version be “homosexianic”?

I don’t know, ceruleancynic, I think I prefer “baster bastards”.

It’s almost helpful...one Freeper actually starts to acknowledge that the rich do whatever they want.  Of course, the Two Minute Hate continues and any possible acknowledgement that the rich should be treated the same as everyone else evaporates.

“baster bastards”

Can’t we just compress it to “basterds” for the movie tie-in?

Then someday when the kid is denied his rightful term in the presidency he can make a big stirring speech: “Why basterd? wherefore baste? When my dimensions are as well compact, My mind as generous, and my shape as true, As hetero madam’s issue.”

I had this conversation with my husband yesterday.  When the writers have, as their main argument “but he/she is homosexual!” there is no discussion to be had.  It’s just hate.  And it always shocks me.  Because I just cannot comprehend it.

Also repugnant, IMNSHO, is the use of “they are expecting a child” when, for obvious reasons “they” could not POSSIBLY have conceived.

On behalf of all adopted children, I ask that they stop pretending that conception is the only way to parent? The most deluded freeper would never deny that my stepfather was my father even though he missed the first two years of my life. How does biology become so important only when the adults involved aren’t heterosexual?

Would the male version be “homosexianic”?

I would prefer “faggotistic” or the alternative (and slightly more fabulous) spelling, “faggotastic.”

But “lesbionic” has awesome robot overtones.

I dunno - it sounds like some sort of surgically attached strap-on thingy.  Probably motorised.

I mean, I work with a lot of lesbians.  Now I’m going to have to watch them for suspicious bulges and the quiet hum of powerful engines idling…

And look, think of the Menz here for a minute.  Once lesbionics become common place, the one advantage we have in attracting straight women, the almighty penis, loses all its power, like John Thomas against the steam powered hammer.  John Henry.  I meant John Henry.

We’re going to be competing on a one-to-one basis against dykes with their dirty underhanded tactics like putting the garbage out without being asked or actually caring about shoes, and we’ll be completely outclassed.  They’ll get whoever they want, and leave us with the dregs.  The losers.  The social failures.  And I don’t *want* to date wingnuts.

Lesbionics is a horrifying technological twist to the Evil Homosexual Agenda.  The only people who will benefit from this monstrosity are lesbians.  And straight women.  You know, *minorities*!

JUST SAY NO!

I love the implied “we don’t need no stinking government… oh, except when we need someone to step in and deny rights to people who make us uncomfortable.” Talk about forcing your “lifestyle” on other people.  That is one of their buzzwords that really annoys me.  If I meet up with the gay couple around the corner for beverages at the local pub, cookouts in the alley, game night with the neighbours, etc., and we like a lot of the same music and movies and are in a similar income bracket, we have similar lifestyles.  The fact that they are two men and I am part of a heterosexual couple has no bearing on that. 

Another thing is this obsession conservatives have with gay sex.  “I wish all the best to Mary Cheney and her female sex partner.” It’s not OK for two people who love one another to raise a child, but it is perfectly OK to dehumanise people and reduce them to mindless piles of hormones, devoid of any of the emotions these people claim to possess?  I guess those would be your “family values.”

Then someday when the kid is denied his rightful term in the presidency he can make a big stirring speech: “Why basterd? wherefore baste? When my dimensions are as well compact, My mind as generous, and my shape as true, As hetero madam’s issue.”

King Lear reference +1

That is one of their buzzwords that really annoys me.  If I meet up with the gay couple around the corner for beverages at the local pub, cookouts in the alley, game night with the neighbours, etc., and we like a lot of the same music and movies and are in a similar income bracket, we have similar lifestyles.  The fact that they are two men and I am part of a heterosexual couple has no bearing on that.

Thank you for this. I’d been trying to figure out a good way to explain this to my mother.

Av0gadro: Word.

I wasn’t conceived or borne by either of my (heterosexual) parents. Yet, here I am. I get quite tired of right wingers pretending that I don’t exist. At the same time, it is quite fun to see them backpedal when I point out the implications of their “biology is everything in parenting” stance.

Talk about forcing your “lifestyle” on other people.

It doesn’t mean lifestyle.  In Conservospeak, “lifestyle” means sodomy.

RE: BABH @19:

“Faggotastic” !!!

Where would you like your shiny new internet delivered?

Also regarding the freeper’s “there’s no love in IVF” - disregarding the obvious, (as stated by Moopaw, and experienced by my wife and I in our (unsuccessful) attempt at it) - and disregarding the love between the lesbianic partners - sure, some sperm donors are anonymous. But some are not, and sometimes there is a deep and loving relationship between the lesbianics and the guy who provides the spermies.
So there, freepii.

The argument about gay folks raising kids is expected, though my niece would happily report that she suffered no ill effects whatsoever from being raised in a loving home, but I’m stunned by the assumption that having a father around is de facto a good thing, completely ignoring the fact that some people suck at parenting, regardless of their biological involvement in conception.  As I once told someone who touted my having kids as something I ‘accomplished’ - Any sow can breed.  The trick is in raising your children to not be pigs.

Seeing the Freeper threads, I think I did a disservice to actual swine.

“and we’ll be completely outclassed.  They’ll get whoever they want, and leave us with the dregs. “

Dude, they’re roughly 3% of the population. Since you can’t mean that upwards of 70% of straight women are “the dregs,” these gals are going to be seriously tired dating all those women. Maybe that’s part of what the lesbionics are for - stamina.

The argument about gay folks raising kids is expected, though my niece would happily report that she suffered no ill effects whatsoever from being raised in a loving home

Yeah, but her opinion is worthless. She was raised by fags/dykes after all. What would she know about it?

Never let someone else’s real experience get in the way of your prejudice.

Les Banic - didn’t he play for the Redwings?

Dude, they’re roughly 3% of the population. Since you can’t mean that upwards of 70% of straight women are “the dregs,” these gals are going to be seriously tired dating all those women. Maybe that’s part of what the lesbionics are for - stamina.

They.

R. E. C. R. U. I. T.

Might I just say this is the funniest damn thread I’ve seen in a long time. My dictionary is getting awfully full of awesome at the moment.

They. R. E. C. R. U. I. T.

Well of course. Since we gays can’t get married, we don’t have that ready source of useless gifts for regifting, and you straights seem to insist on continuing to marry. Often repeatedly. That supply of toaster ovens comes in handy. You didn’t think we were using them all for our own toast, did you?

It’s a well known causal link. Get a wedding invitation, go trolling for the innocent.

It might be interesting to see if the percentage of toaster ovens given as wedding gifts in Massachusetts has dropped since equality got legalized, or if that is waiting until the repeal of DOMA.

That supply of toaster ovens comes in handy. You didn’t think we were using them all for our own toast, did you?

I figured it was just some sort of sick, twisted sexual perversion thing.  I tried researching for it once on the Internet, but I don’t know how that worked out.  I was delving down further and further into online perversion when I blacked out, and awoke three days later behind an outdoor toilet block in Ekatahuna, wearing only a police helmet and ballet pumps. And, for some reason, with a raging case of sexually transmitted Johne’s Disease.  Never did figure that out.

I wasn’t conceived or borne by either of my (heterosexual) parents.

Were you really that intolerable as a child, maatnofret?

(In the spirit of this humorous thread, I really couldn’t resist--you made me lol).

I had to laugh at the comment decrying Cheney and Poe for not adopting. What do you want to bet that that same commenter would be spitting nails if they announced they were adopting? There’s just no winning with some people…

PIATOR:

That’s one of the filthiest, most perverse and disgusting things I’ve ever read.  I mean, Eketahuna?! What’s wrong with the toilets in Pigeon Park?

How much of this bullshit is rooted in the belief that Teh Ghey is hereditary?  As in 100% dominant genetic hereditary?

Then again, the grown son of my lesbian friends likes women too!

Humorous note:  I love the adjective “lesbianic” for general use.  Lesbianic household, lesbianic cuisine, lesbianic politics.  But I also love “lesbionic” because I remember a great episode of “Will and Grace” in which Jack discovers he has a son (as a donor) whose mother is Rosie O’Donnell.  In the confrontation scene, Rosie tells Jack she’s not homophobic because, in fact, she is a lesbian.  Jack is incredulous, and he demands, “Say something in Lesbionics!” “Home Depot!” says Rosie.  So “Lesbionics” is the lingo, like ebionics.  Isn’t the English language wonderful?

Serious note:  I live in Wyoming and I am no fan of Dick Cheney, by any means.  I belive he is a war criminal.  But I do know that the Cheneys love their family and they support Mary and Heather and the grandbabies.  All of these rotten comments on Freeper just illustrate how the Republican base has been co-opted by the religious nutjobs who put hate above love in any situation that arises.  A real Wyoming Republican is more of a live-and-let-live sort of person (not unlike the Wyoming liberals).  The people who write this crap on Freeper are sick and twisted people, in my estimation.  I can’t stand the Cheney brand of politics, but I send thoughts and prayers to Mary and Heather and their family.  They would actually be better off in Wyoming than in Virginia!

What I fail to understand is how Mary Cheney continues to justify being a Republican.  The base of the party clearly consider her to be beneath contempt.

Come over to the light, Mary!  Reject the Dark Side!

Well, how does any woman justify being a Republican?  I was a Republican when I voted in my first election (1972) mostly because my family was Republican.  In the next couple of years, Phyllis Schlafly went all over the country telling women to stay home, have babies, and let the men take care of the real work of the country.  I was only 22-23, but I thought, F… that!  I had neither the desire nor the financial abilty to do that, and I noted that the Schafly bitch was making pretty good hay by traveling the country campaigning against the rest of us working women.  I still consider that I didn’t leave the party, but the party left me.  And the bastards have never changed their tune.  Mary is clearly still in the thrall of her family, which I think is more of a “daddy” thing than a truly considered political position.  But after 40+ years around politics, I cannot fathom how any woman, any black, any hispanic, any gay or lesbian person, or any other so-called “minority” person can have anything to do with the Republican Party.  They left ALL of us!  So I am completely mystified by those non-white, non-female individuals who stay with them.  Can anyone offer any enlightenment out there?

That’s one of the filthiest, most perverse and disgusting things I’ve ever read.  I mean, Eketahuna?! What’s wrong with the toilets in Pigeon Park?

Too many yuppies.  I prefer my sexual predator to have that authentic, Barry-Crump-in-leather-underwear ambience, you know?

(God.  That last quip just added a whole new disturbing meaning to “She’s a hard road finding the perfect woman, boy”, didn’t it, T.?)

Thisby@#40

At a certain point, wealth can serve to insulate a person from discrimination.  I imagine for many gay Republicans it’s all about low taxes and nothing more.  What mystifies me is the staggering number of poor white people who are die-hard Republicans.  Seriously, what’s up with that?

At a certain point, wealth can serve to insulate a person from discrimination.  I imagine for many gay Republicans it’s all about low taxes and nothing more.  What mystifies me is the staggering number of poor white people who are die-hard Republicans.  Seriously, what’s up with that?

Here you go…

Captain Bathrobe @ 43:  I tend to agree with you about the upper echelons.  Money is god.  This is America, right?  But the poor whites who have thrown in their lot with the Republicans have always been a mystery to me.  All I can think of is that the “rich” Republicans—there must be a name for them but I can’t think of it—have posed as supporters of the anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-civil rights, anti-just about anything else you could mention, in order to persuade the poor white evangelicals to vote against their best interests. And it’s worked for them.  Cynical as hell, but their Bible-believing followers don’t seem to understand how they are being used.  And I can’t think of any way to break through their denial of the political realities.  Suckers.

Cynical as hell, but their Bible-believing followers don’t seem to understand how they are being used.  And I can’t think of any way to break through their denial of the political realities.

Some of them do, and still vote that way. For a single issue voter, if the issue is critical enough, they’ll vote for the person who pretends that they will support the issue over the person who specifically says they will oppose the issue, on the theory that at least some of them might not be lying.

Heck, in some cases, I do that on gay rights. I don’t particularly trust the Democrats to work in my interest, but I absolutely trust the Republicans to fight against them.

What I don’t understand is how, for so many people, things like opposing other people’s rights move into their own personal center stage, becoming their single-issue.

Given that Mary Cheney and Heather Poe live in Virginia, a state which formally denies any legal recognition to same-sex couples, it is factually inaccurate for them to say “they” are expecting a child: they’ve chosen to live in a state where there is no “they”.

It has disturbed me - in a distant, somebody-else’s-problem kind of way - that the children Mary Cheney bears, who are being brought up to know and love Heather Poe as their other mother, are in such a precarious legal situation: if Heather and Mary separate, Mary can, at will, deny the children any access to their other mother, regardless of how long she’s cared for them or what emotional ties they bear.

In interviews, Mary Cheney has claimed that you don’t need gay marriage if you’ve got all the legal contracts together: but in Virginia, by state law, any such legal contracts made by a same-sex couple that a court decides were intended to give them the same rights as a married couple, can legally be set aside. Either Mary Cheney is blissfully unaware of this, or she knows it damn well and fully intends that, if they separate, Heather Poe will have no rights. Frankly, I’d rather believe the former, buit I look at Mary’s parents and I suspect the latter.

@Thisby:

But the poor whites who have thrown in their lot with the Republicans have always been a mystery to me.

I can only quote to you from the immortal script of 1776:  “...don’t forget that most men without property would rather protect the possibility of becoming rich, than face the reality of being poor” (Dickinson).

Well ... at least one of them acknowledged that Mary Cheney is entitled to make her own decisions despite being a woman.