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Mitt unloads two more-than-McMansions (plus a Q of the day)

Getting ready for another self-funded 2012 move?

Race-car driver and money manager Hal Prewitt bought Mitt Romney’s ski house at Deer Valley Resort for “a little less” than the asking price of $5.25 million, his agent said Tuesday. “It’s beautiful. Absolutely gorgeous, very tastefully and artfully decorated,” Prewitt, 54, of Miami Beach, said Tuesday from the 9,500-square-foot house. “He wanted to sell and I wanted to buy, so it wasn’t difficult to come to an agreement.”

Romney also has a tentative buyer for his suburban Boston house, his spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom said Tuesday. The 6,400-square-foot Colonial on 2.5 acres in Belmont is expected to fetch about $3 million.

The Romneys plan to keep a $10 million summer home on the shore of Lake Winnipesaukee in Wolfeboro, N.H. and a $12 million beachfront compound in La Jolla, Calif.

The sale of the Utah and Boston homes has been described by political analysts as a way for Romney to prepare for another presidential race without having to explain why he owns excess real estate - the issue that brought ridicule on rival Republican candidate John McCain last fall.

The article also quotes the Romneys as saying they are “downsizing and simplifying.”  Good grief. Now our house here in NC is about 1,500 sq. feet and it’s a bear to keep that amount of space clean and uncluttered between the two of us.  I guess the Romneys obviously have hired help to do that sort of thing, you know, like the most of the Joe Six Packs whose vote he was asking for last time around.

Speaking of real estate, I was kind of curious, since the mortgage meltdown, how high-end homes are faring—like those Romney homes, not the McMansions you see all over the place. The latter market has tanked around here, with developers in this area going bust with half-finished McMansions rotting with a few homes sold out of dozens. More below the fold—plus a Q of the day…
Raleigh N&O:

At Brighton Ridge, a new subdivision in Angier, a sign welcoming buyers features a child in sunglasses and bathing suit, lazing on an inflatable doughnut.

But the neighborhood is hardly so inviting. Empty lots are littered with bricks, sewer pipes and for-sale signs. Fewer than a quarter of the 55 homes planned at Brighton Ridge are finished.

Down the road is Wellington, where street lights line a network of roads that lead nowhere. Brush is growing on land that was cleared to sprout 70 houses. Not one has been built.

...As jobs and credit have disappeared, such ghosts have multiplied around the Triangle. They were envisioned as vibrant communities with new homes radiating from fancy clubhouses, children splashing in the community pool and suburban dads pursuing the perfect lawn. But that was before the banking crisis curtailed the flow of credit to home builders and froze some developments before completion.

The scenario has put about one-fifth of this region’s homebuilders out of business, leaving homeowners angry about absentee developers, worried about their financial future or simply wanting for pool-side cabanas that may never be.

While the developers leave buyers high and dry, a lot of the people who moved into McMansions maxed out to get into them and can’t afford them when one spouse loses a job. And the would-be McMansion buyer is probably seeking something more modest if they are in the market now. Honestly, the situation is not nearly as bad here as they are elsewhere—where the boom caused outlandish rise in values and with the crash and burn as the market collapsed.

It’s spring, so it’s the traditional uptick in homes going up for sale. At least in our neighborhood, it looks like homes are going up and turning over fairly quickly, we see more open houses and people driving around for showings. Then again, most of the homes where we live are not McMansions, since it’s not a new subdivision (houses were built in the late 80s some in mid 90s). The McMansion boom came later, and seems to have exploded more over in Wake County—Raleigh and Cary (lovingly called Containment Area for Relocated Yankees by folks native to the region). I’ve spoken to a few people who are seeing inventory stay high, so it’s hard to sell. Well, this could explain things:

The sign at the neighborhood’s entrance boasts the developer’s motto: Perception is reality. But at L’Hermitage at Beaver Creek in Apex, that reality means weeds taller than a teenager, a clubhouse pool filled with green water and half-built, mold-infested houses.

Families live in two completed homes, which sold for $536,000 and $480,000 in 2007. For neighbors, they have the skeletal remains of homes that never came to be. Diversified Communities, the New Jersey builder behind the project, walked away last year.

“They left town,” said Dianne Khin, Apex’s planning director, “and they didn’t come back.”

So, Q of the Day—how bad is it where you are? If we’re seeing pain in a steadier area of the country, I can’t imagine what is going on in, for example, California, Florida, Nevada or the Rust Belt states.

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Posted by Pam Spaulding on 01:24 PM • (37) Comments

I live out the fringes of the Chicago area. There are several subdivisions just west of me that simply dried up in the initial stages, as described in Pam’s post.

I really feel sorry for the people who bought the first few houses and now find themselves living in ghost towns, with no one responsible for maintaining the streets or securing the half-built houses. These aren’t McMansions; they’re sheetrock shanties for people desperate to give their kids a backyard and an upstairs bedroom.

One more quirky note: The local hospital is relocating to this western fringe (I can see the new building from the end of my street, in fact). The construction is well under way and can’t be stopped, but the patients they thought they would be serving from the newly built area aren’t going to be there. (Not yet, anyway.)

Comment #1: Bitter Scribe  on  04/09  at  01:35 PM

There are parts of Metro Atlanta with abandonment issues, but overall in GA the biggest issue is the mass foreclosures. It’s gotten to the point that people who want to sell their houses - not because of foreclosure - at current market rates (bear in mind, this is often well below what they would have gone for two years ago) cannot, since most folks buying a home now are buying foreclosures. So many of them rent their former residences, if they can. (To people who have lost their homes in foreclosures? I don’t know.)

Comment #2: madinscriber  on  04/09  at  01:46 PM

One addition near the little town I live in had just one house (plus the model house) on the entire addition for at least a year. Talk about having $150k house with a 20 acre yard.

Comment #3: MarkusR  on  04/09  at  01:56 PM

I’m in the outer Northbay, and it isn’t so bad. It reminds me of that breathless tension you feel when you’re expecting to get hit by a bully.

Lots of for-sale signs, lots of for-rent signs. My landlord has asked me a half-dozen times if I know anyone who could take the upstairs apartment, offering a finder’s fee every time.

One friend, a teacher, is out of work, but taking it with good gallow’s-humor, using unemployment to get some more grad school. His girlfriend is in a dead-end service job, and has been trying to find something better for the last year. Now she’s holding on to what she has.

The worst hasn’t hit here yet, as far as I can tell.

Comment #4: humanadverb  on  04/09  at  02:04 PM

Oh man, I fucking hate (most) developers. They will do anything to increase their own profit and have zero sense of community responsibility. I am from Raleigh, I have fought these people and they are the worst. Smart design and planning is possible (and not always more expensive!), but it’s so difficult to cultivate.

Comment #5: ElleDee  on  04/09  at  02:04 PM

He’s trying to avoid his own Housegate, I see.

I don’t know which Republican nominee Obama would humiliate more—Romney, or Palin?

Comment #6: Ben D.  on  04/09  at  02:04 PM

I don’t know which Republican nominee Obama would humiliate more—Romney, or Palin?

Palin, for sure. Romney may be a weasel, but he’s smart. Palin can hardly open her mouth without sounding ridiculous.

Comment #7: Bitter Scribe  on  04/09  at  02:29 PM

Romney’s a smarter weasel, but he’s not all that bright.  If he were as good as all that, he’d have beaten McCain for the nomination 2008.  Given that he couldn’t, I’m just not that afraid of it.

Comment #8: NBarnes  on  04/09  at  02:44 PM

Those are still McMansions. Anything that’s built in an N-home development is pretty much a mcmansion by definition.

But the real-mansion market probably isn’t doing that well either, because the people who buy such things are savvy. If someone needs to sell their mansion, the plutocrat across the way can drive a hard bargain. Unless, as in Mitt’s case, it’s pretty much a gentlemen’s agreement, and the ill will from stiffing someone costs more than the money you’d save. Ugh.

Comment #9: paul  on  04/09  at  02:47 PM

Bitter Scribe: does the hospital name start with an S, and it’s relocating from the other side of a local river?

I think we live very close to one another.

Comment #10: hp  on  04/09  at  03:02 PM

hp: Yes and yes.

Comment #11: Bitter Scribe  on  04/09  at  03:05 PM

I’m wondering if Romney is going to take a shot at statewide office in NH now that Wolfboro is his home of record.

The Belmont home isn’t a McMansion - it is in a neighborhood that was originally built up during the 1920s and 1930s, was built in 1930, and the Romneys have lived there for a couple of decades.  I doubt that the entire property can be developed, either, because of the ledgerock outcroppings that characterize the area.  It could be called a mansion, but it is really a large house that’s been there awhile in an area of similar homes.

Comment #12: Ms Kate  on  04/09  at  03:08 PM

Romney’s a smarter weasel, but he’s not all that bright.  If he were as good as all that, he’d have beaten McCain for the nomination 2008.  Given that he couldn’t, I’m just not that afraid of it.

I don’t know.  You could have said the same thing about McCain back in 2000.

I’m really convinced Romney’s gonna be the guy in 2012, based on GOP history.

1976 Reagan finishes second in GOP primaries
1980 Reagan wins GOP nomination

1980 Bush (41) finishes second in GOP primaries
1988 Bush (41) wins GOP nomination

1988 Dole finishes second in GOP primaries
1996 Dole wins GOP nomination

2000 McCain finishes second in GOP primaries
2008 McCain wins GOP nomination

2008 Romney finishes second in GOP primaries
2012 ???

Notice a trend?

In every presidential election in the past 30 years except 2000, the GOP candidate was either an incumbent president or someone who had come in second on a previous attempt at the GOP nomination.  Before Dubya, the last person to win the GOP nomination on their very first try was Barry Goldwater in 1964.  While Palin did run as the VP candidate last time, she’s never had to run in the primaries yet.

Comment #13: DTG in STL  on  04/09  at  03:16 PM

Ha.

I don’t actually think that our area has even been hit that badly. We’ve actually got some new home subdivisions that are still selling fairly well given the housing situation (the Ryland development in downtown G), although not selling as quickly as originally predicted (which school system has to be grateful for—what they’ve built so far was already desperately needed and the fear of the buildings just exploding a couple of years back was what got the bonds approved).

The one I know of that collapsed, collapsed early enough in the process that nobody is stuck living in there. I’m thinking about the former Neumann development on the north-west side of G. There’s a couple of homes sitting in the middle of a cornfield, but they at least were just the model homes—a couple of basements had been dug but no actual homes started. Nobody was even willing to buy those model homes at auction, from what I have heard. Are there others around that have collapsed too? I thought all the ones in E were doing ok. They actually just started several new homes in the past couple of weeks in the one that backs onto the expressway.

The amount of foreclosures in the Ryland/TT development from a couple of years back about 1 mile past the hospital-to-be is depressing though.

Comment #14: hp  on  04/09  at  03:28 PM

The Belmont home isn’t a McMansion - it is in a neighborhood that was originally built up during the 1920s and 1930s, was built in 1930, and the Romneys have lived there for a couple of decades.  I doubt that the entire property can be developed, either, because of the ledgerock outcroppings that characterize the area.  It could be called a mansion, but it is really a large house that’s been there awhile in an area of similar homes.

Yeah, I was gonna say, folks like the Romneys aren’t really the key demographic for the McMansion market.  They’re more in the key demo for the actual mansion market.

The McMansion folks are largely people making in the lower and mid six figures trying to live like mutli-millionaires.  Don’t get me wrong, I’d consider most people in that income bracket “rich”, but there’s a big gap between entry-level rich and the stupid wealth level of people like the Romneys, who are insanely rich.  The key difference being that while the low-end McMansion rich folks live better than 98% of the population, they probably aren’t so rich that they could quit working and maintain the same lifestyle for the rest of their lives.  Romney could never work another day, and not only he, but all of his kids could live the rest of their lives in very comfortable lifestyles without ever working again.

Comment #15: DTG in STL  on  04/09  at  03:28 PM

Suburbia doesn’t HAVE to be ugly.

Look at the older1950s-style subdivisions with mass produced but tasteful two-story brick houses and quarter acre lawns (and actual sidewalks). And in a girdiron pattern to the streets, not the confusing and unwalkable cul-de-sacs.

Comment #16: Ben D.  on  04/09  at  03:39 PM

The Garden city movement agrees with you, Ben D.

As for the situation in Cali, here’s an entry by the Hunter S Thompson of the San Diego realtor set.

As for around here in the southern San Joaquin Valley, they had a small subdevelopement open up in the foothills about a 10 minute walk from my house.  The setting is ideal, except that the roads in and out needed some repair, but of course in 2006 such considerations
didn’t matter with the boom in the housing market.  I’d be surprised if more than one or two of them got sold since they were built.

Comment #17: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  04/09  at  03:54 PM

Our situation just got very interesting.

Rents in Chicago are prohibitive.  A mortgage would be cheaper, should you be able to save up the massive deposit. 

We have subprime loans, b/c the two layoffs nearly bankrupted us.  I’m still not sure we shouldn’t have gone ahead and bankrupted, but that Puritan Work Ethic works against little people’s interests.

Any rate, housing values in Chicago haven’t taken the huge dive elsewhere, and our little NW neighborhood is one that has held its value.  They are rehabbing all the sidewalks, putting in pretty pedestrian lights and adding trees, as part of a long-planned revitalization project.

Zillow, mostly worthless website, has my condo revalued high enough that we could refinance into a 30 year mortgage at 4.5% that would take out the subprime (which so far has been unable to adjust—thank you LIBOR!) and have us paying $1500/month for our 3 br/3ba condo.

You cannot rent a 3 br unit in Chicago for that little.  It’s like a dream.

So…now we’re thinking about getting a real appraisal and perhaps getting a real mortgage.

But that’s all b/c Chicago is a weird, weird market where values haven’t fallen as far, units are still being built, and even in a “renter’s market”, rents are higher than mortgage payments.

Comment #18: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  04/09  at  03:59 PM

Here in Florida - well, my part of it, anyway (St. Pete) - it really, really depends on exactly where you are. And by “exactly,” I mean down to the specific street.

Pretty much anything built since the early 1990s is going to sit on the market for a minimum of six months, probably closer to a year. There are just too many mostly-identical subdivisions that were built in that timeframe for any particular house to stand out, unless the owner comes way down in price. And the stuff that was built since 1998 or so? Forget about it, especially on the other side of the bay (Tampa / Hillsborough County) - there’s so much room out there on the eastern and southern fringes that it’s stil a better deal to build something new rather than buy something a few years old from some poor bastard trying to get out from under a mortgage he can’t afford.

Lucky for me, I live in a historic neighborhood near downtown; St. Pete’s downtown has been making strides for several years now, and it’s actually a pretty fun area by smaller city standards. They aren’t making 1925 bungalows anymore either, which is what I’ve got - and it is a solid, well-maintained house, too. And while I haven’t lived here all that long - just a few years at this point - my guess is that I could sell this place if I had to in maybe four months.

I just feel bad for the family who bought my last house from me in 2005, right at the top of the market - it was out in one of Tampa Bay’s exurban areas, standard subdivision issue ... and I sold it to them for twice what I paid for it. According to Zillow.com, its value is not much higher today than it was when I originally bought the place.

Comment #19: spence-bob  on  04/09  at  04:02 PM

Suburbia doesn’t HAVE to be ugly.

It’s a kind of Overton window: Inner-ring suburbs, railroad suburbs, pre-WW2 suburbs, and even the Levittown suburban model are built in ways that make them conducive to decent living. Thing is, in the context of McMansion subdivisions, people look at that pattern and act as if it’s urban. Or, as Atrios notes again and again, pretend that it doesn’t exist, and that it’s either McMansion or Manhattan.

Still, as others have said, this doesn’t apply to Romney, who is flat-out stinking rich, and for whom the acquisition of property was a kind of Veblen status marker: when you have four homes, you don’t really have a home at all. But when you have the town house, the country house, the ski house and the beach house, it indicates that you have a particular kind of travelling-court wealth.

(One wonders, though, whether getting rid of the two houses is a way to deal with his campaign debt. Though he might be wealthier than Croesus, that doesn’t mean he might feel the pinch of the asset-rich and cash-poor.)

Comment #20: pseudonymous in nc  on  04/09  at  04:07 PM

Huckabee is really more the McMansion type.  My impression is that the Romneys spend their money on things of actual good value.

Comment #21: keshmeshi  on  04/09  at  04:25 PM

Well, Detroit hasn’t exactly taken off.  I live just outside the city, and I bought a house in 2006.  The only good news was that it was a bank-owned property and not expensive at the time, so I may get close to value if I have to sell soon, and is located in a suburb that is far better policed and maintained than Detroit.

In my greater defense as well, buying a three-bedroom house entitled me to a monthly payment $200 less than renting a two-bedroom apartment.  Considering that I have three children and a single income, I shuddered to even contemplate either a three-bedroom apartment or…. living south of Eight Mile.

On the other hand, I know of houses that have been on and off the market within blocks of me ever since 2006.  For all the talk of “retraining” and other methods to finding new jobs, the area isn’t exactly opening up to out-of-towners who would be one of the primary markets for housing.  Of course, the other primary market—people moving up in income—doesn’t exactly exist here either.  The deposits and the terrible credit market effectively finish off practically all other interest.

So, I keep hanging on and hoping for the best (aka, not losing a job).

Comment #22: Zoogz  on  04/09  at  04:25 PM

It’s a kind of Overton window: Inner-ring suburbs, railroad suburbs, pre-WW2 suburbs, and even the Levittown suburban model are built in ways that make them conducive to decent living.

I have no interest in living in the suburbs unless someday I get married and have the 2.2 kids and a dog, but if I were in that situation, it seems like such a no-brainer to buy a home in a post-WW2 suburb. I don’t get why people moved away from that kind of development. Sure, your home is going to look like the one three rows down with different color shutters, and nobody is going to think you’re rich, but they’re put together well and are solidly middle class looking.

Whenever we have a hurricane, it’s always the new subdivisions that seem to get damaged very easily, while the older ones hold up quite well.

Comment #23: Ben D.  on  04/09  at  04:35 PM

I live in downtown San Francisco, and things are coming back to a “normal” level—You couldn’t get 650sqft in the city for under $600K 2 years ago, but we’re starting to see places slightly bigger with parking in the $500K range, some even less for distressed or slightly dated properties.  It’s kind of exciting—my partner and I pay $1800/mo 650sqft, and if it just dips a little more, we could get a nicer or slightly larger place for roughly the same in mortgage.  For a few years there we were thinking we’d just be renters forever—when two professionals with no debt can’t afford a 1 bedroom, no outdoor space, no parking, you know you’re dealing with unsustainable prices.

As for the “real mansions” market, they’ve held up extremely well.  In SF I don’t think they have McMansions, because every neighborhood is old (not a lot of room for expansion, and Victorians are extremely sought-after, so why tear them down?).  I think the super high-end (say, over $5M) have depreciated by a few percent, but not more than that.  Incredibly, a $1M home isn’t considered “high end”.

Comment #24: roro80  on  04/09  at  05:14 PM

Just as I noticed from years past and predicted, the outer ring areas are dropping value faster than the innner ring areas like I live in.  My area is still quite desirable because it has access to public transit and backs up to a very large inter-urban conservation area.  We have seen some drop, but nothing like people in exurbia have seen.  In our area, you lose your job and a 45 minute commute gets you most of the metropolitan zone to search in.  If you are in an exurb, you can be farked or end up with hours on the road each day if you need a new job and you can’t move.

Comment #25: Ms Kate  on  04/09  at  05:58 PM

Vegas reporting.

Ugly here.

The unemployment rate hit 10.1% in February. It’s likely even higher now.

Casino companies who were expanding with new hotel towers and / or condo projects are seeking and getting bankruptcy protection mid-build - and halting their projects. Workers for those projects being laid off by the hundreds if not thousands (these are b.i.g. projects). Support industries (construction materials suppliers, gas stations, grocery stores) are feeling shockwaves from those layoffs and scaling back or shutting down themselves. It could look like Dubai here soon, with sand blowing through half-finished resorts, apartments, and homes.

In some neighborhoods people are just walking away from their homes and leaving the state.

Anecdote - A friend who recently took a cab from the airport said the cabbie told her he’s seeing 4 times as many homeless as he used to, and the newer one are families.

My wife’s lucky so far. She hasn’t lost her job. She and her entire department of about 200 are giving up their cost-of-living raises that happened in January. We were actually surprised that the raises were announced in the first place.

Not sure how long we’re going to be able to hold out here. I keep joking with my mom on the east coast to get the spare bedroom ready for us. Sometimes it doesn’t feel like a joke, though.

Comment #26: teac  on  04/09  at  05:59 PM

I don’t have anything to contribute to the housing discussion.  But I never pass up the opportunity to express my red-hot hatred of all things Romney.  I hate him like poison.

Comment #27: Kristen from MA  on  04/09  at  06:18 PM

I was kind of curious, since the mortgage meltdown, how high-end homes are faring—like those Romney homes, not the McMansions

Actual mansions (houses priced $5M and up) seem to be holding their value just fine.  If you had $100 million a year ago, but lost half in the crash, you still have $50 million.

Comment #28: BABH  on  04/09  at  06:56 PM

If you had $100 million a year ago, but lost half in the crash, you still have $50 million.

Completely tangential, but I just saw a piece on Salon about Rush Limbaugh’s very public Galting himself out of New York, and it turns out for all of his whining about those oppressive new taxes in New York state, he was only gonna be looking at an extra $60,000 this next year in taxes.  Which is roughly 0.16% of his annual salary of $38,000,000.

This asshole is actually whining about having to give up an extra whopping 0.16% of his entire annual paycheck.  For the average schmo with a $30K annual salary, 0.16% of that salary would work out to an extra 17 cents per day in taxes.

God I wish that fuck would just die.

Comment #29: DTG in STL  on  04/09  at  07:17 PM

Here is Western Mass, it seems ok.  At least in the hippy-dippy college towns part that I live in.  Can’t speak for the hill towns.  Rentals go on being rented, cause there’s always enough students to to fill them.  There are some sections that seem to have a lot of for sale signs up, and they seem to be lower-middle and working class neighborhoods with mostly smaller houses and aren’t really near the colleges but aren’t out in the woods either. 

It’s still completely impossible to find any kind of job around here.  And I do mean any kind. 

One good thing, the small farmers have less pressure to sell to developers.

Comment #30: rowmyboat  on  04/09  at  09:32 PM

Spence-Bob,
Shout-out to St. Pete! I’m in an older ‘hood on the other side of town (by the beach/Pasadena area), and there is less foreclosure/selling over here than there was when I was renting in Old NE.  I’m in a 1920s bungalow as well. Nothing quite like it…I figure if it’s survived storms for this long, I feel pretty safe. smile

I work for a company that re-sells foreclosed homes all around the country. It’s bad everywhere, but really depressing to see our company LITERALLY giving away properties back in my old stomping grounds (Detroit).

Comment #31: shartheheretic  on  04/09  at  10:17 PM

Here in Wichita, KS we haven’t been hit too hard yet, but with all the layoffs the town’s been seeing, I think foreclosures are only a matter of time.  However, the McMansion trend didn’t really seem to take hold here, so we didn’t see as much price inflation.  Land is cheap and plentiful here, and people (in general) seem more inclined to display status via toys instead of giant houses, so housing prices are already pretty low.  I also wonder if the need for basements (for tornado weather) affected the house sizes.  IME, larger houses (in terms of footprint) are found in areas that don’t typically build basements.

One person in my neighborhood has their house on the market, and while they haven’t seen any offers yet, it’s only been about 6 weeks. The people who are having trouble selling are condo-owners; since interest rates are so low, people seem to be looking for stand-alone houses more than condos.

Comment #32: Emaloo  on  04/09  at  11:24 PM

I remember just a few months ago. I was driving around my neighborhood with my at-the-time boyfriend, and I was counting the “For Sale” signs I saw. I never went more than 3 houses without adding a new one to my list. My boyfriend eventually told me to be quiet already, since the count was constantly going up. I forget what number I ended at, but I know I was surprised at the time.

I can’t imagine how it must be now (I don’t drive around my neighborhood much.)

We have a fair number of those new developments around here, too (NJ shore.) Just nearby a friend of my dad’s owns a farm. Across the street used to be another huge plot of farm land owned by someone else. It was sold to build another one of those communities just a year or two ago. I remember I was so upset by it (I think those places are hideous wastes of space.) They built some of it, but I know not many live there. I turned into it a few weeks ago because I had to make a U-turn, and I was surprised how many places are still undone when you get deep into it. I remember thinking what a waste it all was, when I could’ve been buying fresh local produce from that very same spot. Instead, it’s going to rot with the empty skeletons of homes that cannot be.

Comment #33: Lynele  on  04/10  at  12:35 AM

Lynele, notice how those places always end up with streets with names like “farm lane” and “red barn road” and other nods to the former use of the land that was destroyed?

Comment #34: Ms Kate  on  04/10  at  12:49 AM

Being in Toronto we never actually saw any type of crash and prices actually still haven’t fallen at all.  The job losses however are really hitting home within the new housing market.  None of the builders have actually dropped any projects that I know of but lots of the condo builders are pushing back their projects, which of course perpetuates the job loss cycle in the construction industry.  The condo they are putting up near us has been pushed back several times now, originally intended to be completed last September they are finally putting up the first tower, but have pushed back the second phase again.

Housing in general has been slow, normally we would be seeing the “For Sale” signs popping out all over the place right now trying to get the jump on summer season but people are being cautious to sell.

Comment #35: hypatia  on  04/10  at  01:33 AM

i don’t pay as much attention as i should, because i have never really wanted to own a house - i think “if i own and the roof falls in, *I* have to pay for it; if i rent and the roof falls in, *someone else* as to pay for it *AND* pay for me to live somewhere else while it’s being fixed”.
plus, yardwork.

but, i do know that the house right next-door to my dad (in Grove City, OH; a southern suburb of Columbus) has been on the market for 2 years. and he says there are at least 4 others in the front area of his subdivision (he lives right at the entrance to the subdivision, so never really gets far in, and neither do i when i visit). his other neighbor has what i think is the biggest house in the neighborhood (but the smallest yard) and they told me that the worth of their home was now actually about 5% less than what they paid for it - and they are happy its not less.

Comment #36: denelian  on  04/10  at  04:13 AM

Shartheheretic -

Amusingly enough, Detroit is my old stomping ground as well. I’ve always said it’s a good place to be from, if you know what I mean.

Comment #37: spence-bob  on  04/11  at  11:56 PM
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