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MN: Senator requests $500K earmark for Christianist program tied to ex-gay ministry

Ken Avidor has a diary up at Daily Kos that should send shivers down your spine. Minnesota U.S. Senator Amy Klobuchar is requesting a $500,000 earmark for Minnesota Teen Challenge. What is that you say?

MNTC is a ministry of the Assemblies of God. MNTC believes that Halloween, Harry Potter and Pokemon are gateways to drug addiction. MNTC has fostered close ties with many politicians, mostly Republicans such as Congresswoman Michele Bachmann and Governor Tim Pawlenty (Tim Pawlenty’s wife was a MNTC board member).

You can see the religious batsh*ttery in the Teen Challenge literature on the right (click for the full PDF). Teen Challenge, btw promotes Exodus International’s “pray away the gay” ministry. Check out its Student Handbook, which includes under Conduct: “Students must conduct themselves in a manner pleasing to God.  There shall be no smoking, alcohol consumption, drug use, or homosexual behavior.” The application also asks: “Have you ever engaged in homosexual activity?

Andy Birkey at the Minnesota Independent has been covering this

If you accept taxpayer money, you have to accept that you’re going to receive public scrutiny. That simple point seems to be eluding Minnesota Teen Challenge (MNTC), the faith-based drug treatment program which secured a federal earmark in early 2008 arranged by Rep. Jim Ramstad and Sen. Amy Klobuchar, for its “Know the Truth” program which aims to prevent drug use.

Operating close to the border of church and state, the group’s members are unrealistic if they think their work is not going to get attention.

...The point of my article was not to suggest that MNTC was not successful or beneficial, as Scherber implies. Rather it was to point out the overtly religious nature of the organization and that the program has historically been controversial. In the interest of brevity, I left some examples out. For instance, MNTC’s stance on Halloween verges on the comical (”Halloween is a day set up totally for Satan … The more people who go out dressed as demons, ghosts, witches and goblins, the more glory Satan receives”). Scherber’s claim that the Holy Spirit told an MNTC bus driver to avoid the 35-W bridge on the day of its collapse in August 2007 is touching but, let us say, unverified.

I don’t question that faith-based programs can be very effective for those that share the programs’ faith. Faith is a huge motivator in people’s lives. I think MNTC has been very effective for the clients it serves. However, I don’t think it’s appropriate for judges, prosecutors or public defenders to suggest the program as an alternative to jail.

Ken says the MSM in the state has completely ignored this story; Dump Michelle Bachmann has been covering this as well. I’m still wondering why tax dollars should go to a whackjob program like this—

church/state separation is definitely on the table here

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Why look—here’s our soon-to-be-former President hailing Teen Challenge! Watch the video below the fold.
Counting down to January 20th…

Dump Michelle Bachmann pulled this unhinged interview with a Teen Challenge graduate from its newsletter.

At Minnesota Teen Challenge, we have an increasing number of residents who have been involved in occult activity. We help individuals break the bonds of sorcery and witchcraft as well as drugs and alcohol.

Q: What does Halloween mean to the Satanic church?

A: “Halloween is a day totally set up for Satan. It’s our biggest recruitment day of the year, so we usually meet a couple days beforehand to pray for an abundance of people to be out on the streets. The more people who go out dressed up like demons, ghosts, witches and goblins, the more glory Satan receives.”

Q: What evil things would you do on Halloween?

A: “We would have people put curses over candy and place jewelry with demonic symbols in Trick or Treat bags. When the kids take it willingly, it opens the door for demonic attack. Kids would be sick for weeks after Halloween. Drug dealers were out in full force. We would all try to recruit at least one person to come back to the Satanic meeting. Usually, we would just try to impress them with different displays of demonic power, like levitation and casting spells.”

Q: Which Halloween experience was the scariest?

A: “Different moons require different sacrifices. One Halloween, we received a letter from the head church in San Diego with blood and a crow’s foot on it. This meant that there had to be a human sacrifice. The leader of our group walked over to an older, unimportant man and handed him a knife, saying: ‘You know what you need to do.’ The man took the knife and split his stomach open, letting his intestines spill out on the ground. He screamed in agony, and as he fell to his knees he cried out, ‘Satan, take me home!’ We would never sacrifice a Christian, because that would bring glory to God. It would be disgusting. Satan was our God, and we wanted all the glory to go to him.”

Q: What made you want to leave the Satanic church?

A: “I began to question Satan’s power when our plans would be wrecked by my Christian mom. We would plan something for months, then my mom would find out about it and somehow stop it with her prayers. I couldn’t understand how this tiny woman could stop the whole Satanic church. Then when people started dying, I really wanted out. The suicide rate in our town went out of control, and kids began killing their parents. I was haunted by images of that Halloween when Satan required one of his own to die. I couldn’t understand why Satan would want to kill his own people.”

This crap better not slip through the cracks and receive funding next time around.

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Posted by Pam Spaulding on 02:47 PM • (57) Comments

Sounds like a good program Pam, what your problem? I mean, it’s only 500k, nowhere close to 350 million that goes to Planned parenthood, an organization made rich by killing unborn children in minority communities….

Comment #1: James  on  12/30  at  02:59 PM

Obama likes ‘em too, or at least his drug czar does.

Comment #2: Dan in Denver  on  12/30  at  03:02 PM

OMG the “Signs to Watch For” list is hilarious.

Comment #3: SarahMC  on  12/30  at  03:08 PM

Well, James, maybe you want to spend 500K to fight a completely imaginary, made up problem, but the rest of us like our government funding to deal with reality.

Comment #4: Samantha Vimes  on  12/30  at  03:10 PM

Wasn’t Senator Klobuchar on The Rachel Maddow show on Halloween night? And didn’t she mention her daughter was having a Halloween party in the house with friends?...

I just found the link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27538226/

I remember because I watched that episode on my phone in a van on my way to Get Out the Vote in another state.

I know that isn’t the overall point, but one would hope that people would slowly back away from such crazy organizations. Actually, I would hope they run screaming in the other direction.

Comment #5: Daisy  on  12/30  at  03:28 PM

Anyone else getting the “I’m desperate for any female attention” vibe from “james”?

Comment #6: Gypsy Lee  on  12/30  at  03:29 PM

I’d like James to personally spend all his time and money fighting the grave threat of Satan worshipers in Minnesota.  As long as it takes ALL his time. 

BTW, James, computers and the Internet exist only to further Satan’s work, so you should never, ever, use either…

Comment #7: MikeEss  on  12/30  at  03:30 PM

Making shit up: it’s the fundy way.

Comment #8: Brian X  on  12/30  at  03:32 PM

Wow, I had no idea that sacrificing Christians brings glory to God! It makes me kind of worried about what the MNTC is doing at their meetings…

Comment #9: Redshift  on  12/30  at  03:37 PM

I like the inclusion of the peace sign in their scary-scary evil symbol tract header.

Did anyone else get the impression that their darling saved interviewee was actually some eye-rolling kid who was pissed his parents sent him to some batshit program for something probably as benign as wearing a black tshirt?

Comment #10: Sazai  on  12/30  at  03:37 PM

“BTW, James, computers and the Internet exist only to further Satan’s work, so you should never, ever, use either…”

Well Mike, computers and the internet are non-biased, although they can be used to good or bad things..just look at the Daily-Kos, an evil website, or Jill Stanek.com, a good website.

Comment #11: James  on  12/30  at  03:50 PM

“Just look at the Daily-Kos, an evil website, or Jill Stanek.com, a good website. “

Ahh, I get it now - he’s a parody troll. While Daily Kos is crap, a woman who praises fictional murderers for their abuse of women, can hardly be called “good”.  So “James” is parodying the mindless misogynybots . . .  right?

wink

Comment #12: Gypsy Lee  on  12/30  at  03:53 PM

sazai,

That’s what my feelings were about the ex-satanist, too.  “Wow!  These people are really believing me!  What other kinds of shit can a I make up so they will let me out of this hellhole?”

James, go pray or something.

Comment #13: akshelby  on  12/30  at  03:55 PM

Anyone else getting the “I’m desperate for any female attention” vibe from “james”?

That and the ‘I’m not employed’ vibe.

Comment #14: Slackajawea  on  12/30  at  03:55 PM

(typography geek/)I think that godawful “sand” font is the new comic sans; a quick red flag to let you know “this document is going to be crap!”(/geek)

I would find this funnier except inevitably these people are the ones starting “boot camps” in Guatemala where kids get abused and killed in the name of tough love.

Comment #15: emjaybee  on  12/30  at  04:11 PM

Teen Challenge is one of those ministries that Krazy Kristian parents send their kids to, rather than do the job of parenting them. Drugs isn’t the only thing the ministry is about. Parents have sent their kids to it when they “lost control” of them (like when kids had doubts about the family faith), so that Teen Challenge could perform batshit brainwashing sessions on them, until the kids could return home and recite thousands of bible verses from memory.

They also run a series of thrift stores from various ministries, where some of the kids work, without pay, of course.

Of course, Teen Challenge doesn’t address the CAUSE of drug addiction in the kids that they brainwash… I mean “heal”. The cause of the drug addiction usually is tied to the parents being whack-job fundamentalist nut-bags who have no grip of reality.

Comment #16: Dave Irish  on  12/30  at  04:11 PM

Planned parenthood, an organization made rich by killing unborn children in minority communities….

Yes, those non-profit organizations that work mostly for free are just rolling in the dough…

How do you remember to BREATHE when you’re that stupid?

Comment #17: Well, what?  on  12/30  at  04:13 PM

Hey, hey, hey - don’t knock the idea.  Entertaining the prospect does suggest some good could come out of this.

Having the director squirm in front of a funding committee that knows the difference between anecdotes and data, and ruthlessly focusing on the question “does it work?” springs to mind.

Comment #18: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  12/30  at  04:13 PM

Wait a second?

“Alohamora” actually works???

So the next time I lock myself out, I can just use the ‘proven demonic spells’ from JK Rowling to save myself?  Coooooool.

I’m shouting “Ridikkulus” at the screen everytime James posts from now on.  He’s got to be the lamest boggart ever.

Comment #19: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  12/30  at  04:18 PM

This is reminding me of the scene in “Hell House” where the camera reveals that the scary occult symbol they’ve just painted is not a pentagram, but a Star of David.  Not because they were anti-Semitic, but because they were too ignorant to know there’s a difference between the two symbols.

Oh, and don’t forget that Magic: The Gathering leads directly to sacrificing babies in satanic rituals.  That’s another little tidbit I learned from that movie.  Also that all sexual assault victims are going to Hell.

Comment #20: Mnemosyne  on  12/30  at  04:54 PM

I love that Jill Stanek has actually gotten people to believe that her crazy-ass stories about leaving babies in broom closets actually happened despite the fact that two state investigations found no evidence whatsoever.

If Stanek believed she had been abducted by aliens, James would be over here demanding to know why us evil liberals were giving money to Planned Parenthood instead of putting everything towards a heat shield that would prevent the aliens from getting in.

Comment #21: Mnemosyne  on  12/30  at  04:56 PM

“where the camera reveals that the scary occult symbol they’ve just painted is not a pentagram, but a Star of David”

Well pentagrams were actually considered a sign of god. It was the two upward pointing pentagrams that were considered evil.

Of course Christians tend to be very ignorant of what their own ancestors believed.

“these people are the ones starting “boot camps” in Guatemala where kids get abused and killed in the name of tough love. “

Nothing new about that. Texas for decades killed lots of kids in it’s Christian run camps for so called wayward children. A few weeks ago ground around a Florida run state school was being dug up due to claims that kids were killed and buried there by the school employees. http://www.miamiherald.com/news/florida/story/806531.html

You know a school with it’s own admitted version of Potter’s field should have raised huge red flags before now. I suspect if there are bodies found of children it will hopefull uncover more such schools around the country.

Comment #22: tootiredoftheright  on  12/30  at  05:11 PM

Ritualized scars and the burning on the LEFT hand are a-ok though, and probably just a sign of self-mutilation and not something important, like Satanism.

Comment #23: marteani  on  12/30  at  05:40 PM

Ah, the joys of religion.  What a shock that people who are raised to have no ability to discern reality from fantasy begin running around screaming about wizards and devils.


“Well computers and the internet are non-biased, although they can be used to good or bad things”

James did you know a gay man invented computer science?  Just throwin’ that out there.

Comment #24: Notorious P.A.T.  on  12/30  at  05:48 PM

“James did you know a gay man invented computer science?  Just throwin’ that out there.”

Good point.  Of course, just about anything James uses, listens to, reads, looks at, etc., probably had some member of the LGBT community involved with it at some point, if not as the outright inventor, designer, programmer, scientist, etc.

If James wants to avoid these things, he’ll have to live in a cave somewhere, no TV, no radio, no computers, no Internet, and probably no clothes either.

But nobody said being culturally pure had no cost…

Comment #25: MikeEss  on  12/30  at  06:01 PM

james = poe?

Comment #26: jamie d  on  12/30  at  06:37 PM

Wow!  If I had had any idea that I’d earn ten times the pleasure for my sins in Hell, I would have become a Satanist so much sooner.  Thanks, MNTC!!

Comment #27: zha  on  12/30  at  07:13 PM

Damn…did these fundies just jump on the 1998 train? Because the other fundies are long past that whole, “MARILYN MANSON IS EVILLLLLL”

and Pokemon and Magic: The Gathering? Seriously?

They need to be more up to date, and start talking about Planned Parenthood and Eugenics and whatnot. Geez.

Comment #28: dancerjess  on  12/30  at  07:29 PM

This reminds me of when I got to the state junior high science fair finals with a project about the Ouija board. The final judges on the state level were a priest and nun, and they gave me a horrible score—12 or so out of 100. I was clearly a victim of religious discimination.

Unless they gave the the low score because my project came to a comically stupid conclusion. Whatever. I try not to think about it too much.

Comment #29: Bitter Scribe  on  12/30  at  07:33 PM

“The final judges on the state level were a priest and nun, and they gave me a horrible score—12 or so out of 100.”

Sheesh don’t tell the fundies that the Ouija board was a creation by Parker Bros out of whole cloth.

Comment #30: tootiredoftheright  on  12/30  at  07:43 PM

“They need to be more up to date, and start talking about Planned Parenthood and Eugenics and whatnot. Geez. “

If you ever studied the anti-evolution movement you would know that actually updating stuff and not using debunked arguments are two concepts the fundies are not familiar with. They still use old debunded 130 year old stuff such as that only one neanderthal was found and that was an old man with arthritisis. Mentioning that neanderthal infants, woman, children throughout Europe as well as the middle east have been found and numbering in the thousands gets you silence or screams that you are a Satanist.

Comment #31: tootiredoftheright  on  12/30  at  07:47 PM

sazai and akshelby: Obviously the kid was making shit up-half of it was directly lifted from a Jack Chick tract.
But what gets me is-IF they actually believed the stuff he was saying, how very remarkable they didn’t go to the police immediately. I mean, he’s claiming a man was pressured by a mob to kill himself. 
Which is kind of an indication they don’t REALLY believe him.

Comment #32: Bill S  on  12/30  at  08:47 PM

Mentioning that neanderthal infants, woman, children throughout Europe as well as the middle east have been found and numbering in the thousands gets you silence or screams that you are a Satanist.

How about the fact that Neanderthals may not be related to us at all, but be a separate ‘human’ species?  That cared for their elders and buried their dead with flowers.

Comment #33: Caren  on  12/30  at  08:50 PM

“how very remarkable they didn’t go to the police immediately. I mean, he’s claiming a man was pressured by a mob to kill himself. 
Which is kind of an indication they don’t REALLY believe him. “

If you were to ask that logical question you would be accused of being a satanist or they would state the police are servants of Satan. They get trained by the others in how not to think. It’s standard cult brainwashing that goes on in these Christian groups.

Comment #34: tootiredoftheright  on  12/30  at  08:59 PM

Ah the dire threat that Harry Potter and Halloween poses to today’s youth. Is there a program to build up their defenses against today’s adults?

Comment #35: Luke  on  12/30  at  09:17 PM

My parents didn’t allow us to watch Are You Afraid of the Dark? on Nickelodeon, because it “promoted the occult.”  Luckily they never went THIS far.

Comment #36: SarahMC  on  12/30  at  09:26 PM

“because it “promoted the occult.””

Fundie christanity is the biggest promoter of the occult there is. Namely a Scooby Doo version that has no relation to the real occult what so ever.

Comment #37: tootiredoftheright  on  12/30  at  09:50 PM

urgh, this reminds me of my mom, (and my dad going along, because he wasn’t as “religiously educated”) we didn’t celebrated Halloween for years because of it. then the first grandkid comes along, and it’s The Halloween Explosion at Mor-Mor and Pop-Pop’s!!!!!
it’d be really nice if all fundy-nuts experienced a similar sphincter-release at some point in there lives.

Comment #38: redwards  on  12/30  at  10:46 PM

Holy Spirit telling bus drivers to avoid 35W? Fah. I worked with a guy whose Magical Bladder saved him from the 35W bridge collapse. True story.  He drove over the bridge every day at about the time that the bridge collapses. On that particular day, however, at the last second before heading out to the parking lot he decided to take a leak. The bridge collapsed while he wasn’t more than a couple of blocks away.

Oh, and that Halloween shit? Hilarious.

Comment #39: befuggled  on  12/30  at  11:31 PM

James = troll. 

*sigh*

Comment #40: Ellid  on  12/31  at  12:09 AM

“James did you know a gay man invented computer science?  Just throwin’ that out there.”

Thats good, I have nothing against gay people, I like them. Some of them are preists in my church.

Are you referring to the guy who invented booleen logic? 010101

Do I have to approve of homosexual sex or gay marriage in order to like gay people?

Comment #41: James  on  12/31  at  01:01 AM

“Thats good, I have nothing against gay people, I like them.”

...in fact, some of James’ best friends are gay.  But they’re good ones who never have “homosexual sex” or want to have a “gay marriage”...

“Some of them are preists in my church.”

...oh really?  Care to enlighten us as to what church that might be?  If it’s the RCC, they’re only welcome until Pope Ratzi finds them and roots them out.  With extreme prejudice…

Let’s face it, James, you don’t really like gay people, or you wouldn’t have to put qualifiers on your comment.  If you really do like them, you need to examine your prejudice before continuing to hurt them with your unenlightened attitudes…

Comment #42: MikeEss  on  12/31  at  01:40 AM

Mike,

I think the vatican says all priests, gay or not, have to take a vow of celebicy. ..One of my best childhood friends is bisexual, I have a transgended friend at work.

You know, life is not totally about one’s sexuality or gender, there are other things people have interest in.

Comment #43: James  on  12/31  at  02:13 AM

One of my best childhood friends is bisexual, I have a transgended friend at work.

James, if these people knew what you really thought of them, they would not be your friends. You’re a hater.

Comment #44: asdf  on  12/31  at  02:32 AM

Do I have to approve of homosexual sex ... in order to like gay people?

Yes.

Comment #45: asdf  on  12/31  at  02:33 AM

That is, you don’t have to think it’s hawt, but you do have to approve of it, approve of their right to do it under the full protection of the law, and approve of their choices to fully embrace their sexuality and act upon it accordingly. Otherwise, you are saying “don’t be who you are, or I can’t really like you.”

Comment #46: asdf  on  12/31  at  02:36 AM

Listen, if people needed me to think it was hawt before they were allowed to have sex, a lot of the couples I know would be having sex a lot less.

If picturing someone else’s sex life squicks you out, for whatever reason, then think about something else. Sheesh. We don’t live in a world of Victoria’s Secret models.

Comment #47: Bitter Scribe  on  12/31  at  03:25 AM

I absolutely love it when fundy christers throw temper-tantrums about Halloween.

IT’S A CHRISTIAN HOLIDAY!!!

Comment #48: Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster  on  12/31  at  05:53 AM

Am I the only one who reads these things and kind of wishes they were true?  I mean, can you imagine if skipping service at the local megachurch got you on the mailing list of a secret Satanic cabal that demands human sacrifice?  Or trick-or-treaters routinely received cursed amulets in their pumpkin pails?  Or spells from the Harry Potter books worked?  How awesome would that be?

James, I know I should ignore you, but surely as a good Catholic you know the Church no longer admits gay candidates to the priesthood.

Comment #49: Shaenon  on  12/31  at  07:51 AM

13 people were killed and 145 injured in the 35W bridge collpase.  God told a bus driver to avoid the bridge.  Should we conclude from this that anyone killed or injured in the bridge collapse must have been evil?  And if that’s the case, isn’t bridge repair contrary to God’s will?

Comment #50: rea  on  12/31  at  09:08 AM

Am I the only one who reads these things and kind of wishes they were true?  I mean, can you imagine if skipping service at the local megachurch got you on the mailing list of a secret Satanic cabal that demands human sacrifice?  Or trick-or-treaters routinely received cursed amulets in their pumpkin pails?  Or spells from the Harry Potter books worked?  How awesome would that be?

Speaking from past experience… They have to make it sound exciting; that way if you’re accustomed to being an outsider, it’s almost believable that Witches and Satanists and coworkers are having so much more fun than you. There’d be very little to get indignant or frightened about in an honest description of an occult ritual. And who has orgies these days?

It’s intense, especially for adolescents but even for adults if the story has the right twists, to imagine that you’re battling against true demonic forces. You’re on the side of righteousness, but the devil is calling and you could turn at any time and get in on that action. The tension can be incredible; half your life can be in a mindset like a haunted amusement park. Your menial life is touched by signs that echo through pages from ancient days. Coincidences hold otherworldly meaning. Eternity is on the line. (Hope you don’t have any predisposition toward schizophrenia.)

As you suspect, most of these stories of the occult are not even embellished, but are completely fabricated. These are born-agains who’ve done very little with their lives. Maybe they’ve backslid, and they’re born again three or four times now. A few of them did some drugs, and a few of those lost hope for a while. That’s the closest any of these scary stories come to the truth, and they’re generally morose tales.

But fundamentalist Christianity offers no blissful alternative to the drudgery, over the long run. You accept Jesus and get saved and you feel like you get to start things over, but that high wears off in a couple of months if not much sooner. Then you need something to keep the fire burning so you don’t have to get too introspective and have an existential crisis. So, you fight.

Comment #51: t  on  12/31  at  09:13 AM

Sounds like a good program Pam, what your problem? I mean, it’s only 500k, nowhere close to 350 million that goes to Planned parenthood, an organization made rich by killing unborn children in minority communities….

James on 12/30 at 12:59 PM

Do you have a similar problem with the trillion or so we wasted killing born human children, raping teenaged Iraqi females, or shoving their religious insanity in the faces of those who do not share it at the point of a gun?  Funny - I’ve never seen you complain about the money wasted by the illegally installed Republican’t junta.  Or about the $750 billion that Republican’ts gave to all their rich executroid friends.

Why, it’s almost as though you’re a religiously insane Republican’t, lacking in any sort of honesty, common decency, ethics, or conscience…

Do I have to approve of homosexual sex or gay marriage in order to like gay people?

James on 12/30 at 11:01 PM

Can you like people that your religious insanity considers to be abominations?  Can you treat them as equals?  How about those who do not share your religiously insane fantasies?

Comment #52: (: Tom :)  on  12/31  at  01:24 PM

Now correct me if I’m wrong, but I seem to recall that a number of people were making coin off of speaking to fundamentalist churches (and, frighteningly, law enforcement) claiming to be “ex-Satanists” and providing a lot of lurid details derived from either movies, imagination, or delusion.  I had an ex-cop sergeant when I was in the Army swear to me that an “expert” told him that a peace symbol was actually a cross with two broken arms.  That’s what I thought about, reading that interview above, that it might be one of those prefessional ex-occultists.

Or, hey, the “Liars for Christ” factor might be in play again, and they just might be making shit up for their greater good.  In which case I ask:  Aren’t lies tools of the devil (aka “The Father of Lies”)?

Comment #53: damnedyankee  on  12/31  at  06:23 PM

Tom,

Get help for your BDS.

Comment #54: James  on  12/31  at  06:23 PM

I can’t believe anyone is taking James seriously. Successful troll is successful.

Comment #55: karpad  on  12/31  at  06:34 PM

“were making coin off of speaking to fundamentalist churches (and, frighteningly, law enforcement) claiming to be “ex-Satanists” and providing a lot of lurid details derived from either movies, imagination, or delusion.”

Yup and even when these con artists came forward a number of the fundie Churches still spread their message around using it to make money for the church.

The Amityville House btw was such a scam.

Comment #56: tootiredoftheright  on  12/31  at  08:04 PM

“james = poe?”

Y’got a typo there. Apparently you typed an “e” instead of the second “o”.

Comment #57: Lymis  on  12/31  at  10:11 PM
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