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Napolitano: Stranger to genuine Washington scandals

Here’s some irresponsible journalism at its best. Headline: “Napolitano is no stranger to Washington scandals”.  Ooooooh!  Juicy!  What kind of terrible things has the Arizona governor/new head of Homeland Security been involved in?  Since we know Democrats are so much more scandalous than Republicans—-can lying to a nation to get them into war ever hold a candle to lying about a blow job?—-this is going to be some intriguing stuff.  I feel the first round of pressure to impeach Obama coming on as we speak.

Napolitano was a U.S. attorney in Phoenix, appointed by former President Bill Clinton, when the Justice Department decided against prosecuting Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain’s wife, Cindy, for the theft of prescription drugs from her medical charity.


Panic in the streets time.  The Democrats are going to lay ruin to all the integrity the Bush administration has…..wait a moment.  Okay, you almost had me there with the injection of the name of the most scandalous person of all time, Bill Clinton,* but all but the stupidest wingnut is going to notice that the scandal described was primarily a Republican scandal, and that the theft of prescription drugs was probably not prosecuted because an extremely powerful Republican senator’s wife was involved.  This cannot be a scandal by definition, because Republicans don’t engage in scandalous behavior.  But Napolitano was involved, right?  So we can pin this all on her, right?

Er….

Napolitano spokeswoman Jeanine L’Ecuyer said Thursday that Napolitano was acting U.S. attorney at the time and recused herself from the Cindy McCain matter because Napolitano was awaiting Senate confirmation.

Oh, so there wasn’t even a scandal directly involving Napolitano. Maybe she had heard of it, though, so we can hold her accountable for that much.  She probably slipped Cindy McCain the drugs, though god knows if they’d even met.

While at a Phoenix law firm in 1991, Napolitano was part of the legal team representing Anita Hill, a former Equal Employment Opportunity Commission colleague of Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas who accused Thomas of sexual harassment. Hill’s accusations jeopardized but ultimately failed to derail the Senate’s confirmation of Thomas.

Oh noes!  She represented a client who she believed was telling the truth, during testimony to keep a man off the Supreme Court she had every reason to believe would not treat women equally from the bench?  What next?  Defending innocent people who have been put on death row?  Preventing kittens from being drowned and instead getting them adopted out to loving families?  What depths with this Napolitano broad sink?

Napolitano’s representation of Hill became an issue in 1993 when the Senate considered Clinton’s nomination of Napolitano for the U.S. attorney’s job. Napolitano refused to answer questions about a private conversation with one of Hill’s witnesses, Susan Hoerchner. At issue was whether Napolitano persuaded Hoerchner, Hill’s corroborating witness, to change her testimony.

Hoerchner initially told the Senate Judiciary Committee during its Thomas hearings that Hill had told her in the early 1980s that she had been sexually harassed by Thomas. After Napolitano requested and had a private conversation with her, Hoerchner told the committee she wasn’t certain of the date Hill told her about the alleged harassment. Napolitano said she couldn’t answer questions about the talk because Hoerchner wouldn’t waive her right to confidentiality.

Okay, a little obscure and rumor mill-sounding.  But if she’s manipulating testimony…..

Some senators said at the time that Hoerchner had admitted before talking with Napolitano that she was just guessing about the date Hill first said she’d been harassed by Thomas.

So it seems the story is that one witness had testimony that she was guessing at, and after talking with the lawyers, she decided not to commit to a date if she couldn’t remember it.  The book that’s mentioned in the article that makes a big deal out of this testimony, when it appears not to be a big deal at all, sounds like it’s David Brock’s book on Anita Hill, a book that Brock has since renounced.  I wonder why the reporter Sharon Theimer didn’t mention exactly what book it is, but I suspect that it’s because admitting that it’s Brock’s book is all but admitting she’s pulling this story right out of her ass.

I have no idea why Sharon Theimer and her bosses at the AP think it’s appropriate to write stories that read like scandal sheets on the surface, but under even two seconds of investigation or critical thinking demonstrate that the target is a laudatory individual with sparklingly clean hands.  Either they’re in the tank for Republicans, are still taking their marching orders from Matt Drudge, or think that the only way to be fair and balanced is to under-report Republican scandals while making up Democratic ones, due to the reality-based discrepancy between the two parties.  Or all of the above.  But what I do know is that between this shit and the “omg vetting Bill Clinton” shit (as if the former President has anything to hide left, including the coloring of his penis), we’re going to be seeing at least 4 and probably 8 years of shit-stirring nonsense that’s practically designed to stall any progress. 

So, readers who are more willing to torture yourself than I am, what’s Limbaugh’s beef with Napolitano?  That she’s middle-aged? That she has grey hair?  Probably that her participation in the Anita Hill testimony means she’s a member of the Feminist Mafia that rules the country but somehow can’t even get free contraception.

*The invention of oral sex, a joint effort between Monica Lewinsky and Bill Clinton, can easily be demonstrated to be the downfall of civilization.  Before the blow job was invented, all sex involved people sticking a penis into someone’s nether regions.  Which meant that lesbians didn’t even exist except as platonic, if close, friends, and gay men only had anal sex, and therefore were easier to demonize.  Now that people both straight and gay have been granted oral sex by our 42nd President, homosex looks a lot more like heterosex.  Straights even picked up anal!  Now we can’t figure out why there was so much animosity when everyone is basically the same.  Which can only mean one thing: civil rights for gays, and the end of Western civilization.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 09:24 PM • (62) Comments

Amanda, please, you’ve been there before. When the presidency shifts, the rules all change.

Clinton uses military power in Bosnia, bad. Bush uses it in Iraq, good.
Under a Democrat, pork bad. Limited government good. Under a Republican, vice, versa.

They’re gearing up to shift the rules back to the blue set. How fast you want to bet the “criticizing the President is the same as treason” riff goes away?

Limbaugh’s beef with Napolitano is that she is a Democrat. Period. If it actually turned out that there was some substance to complain about, all the better, and certainly things like daring to be a powerful woman but failing to be hot is infuriating to him. But it comes down to She Is Not On His Team.

Comment #1: Lymis  on  11/20  at  09:38 PM

Amanda wrote:

Now that people both straight and gay have been granted oral sex by our 41st President, homosex looks a lot more like heterosex.

And so we thank our 41st president, George Herbert Walker Bush!  smile

Comment #2: Dana  on  11/20  at  09:41 PM

Good one, Dana.

I need more facts about Napolitano. Did she ever go into the same room as Bill Clinton while she was in possession of her own breasts? Because I understand that can be pretty scandalous.

Comment #3: Orange  on  11/20  at  10:01 PM

“She represented a client who she believed was telling the truth,”

She represented a client who was telling the truth.  If you look back at the hearings, it’s obvious Thomas and his defenders were lying because they didn’t engage Hill’s contentions directly.  Hill and her corroborating witnesses were all “Thomas did this, he said this, Hill said this on this date, then she did this, then she did that”.  Thomas’s defenders were all “Thomas is such a wonderful man, he’s been a friend of mine for such a long time, he did this for me, he did that for me.  Nothing to do with whether he engaged in the behavior in question.

If you didn’t do something, you put forward evidence that you didn’t do it.  If you did it, you bring in a bunch of meaningless character evidence.  You also desecrate the memory of men and women who were lynched by equating having to face opposition to you getting a job to being lynched.

Comment #4: Mike Toreno  on  11/20  at  10:07 PM

“What depths with this Napolitano broad sink? “

Sounds like something you’d ask an Italian plumbing features installer.

Seriously though, I’m a Zonie (Arizonan for the uninitiated), and I can tell you that Limbaugh et. al’s problem with Janet Napolitano is that she’s succeeded on her own terms and couldn’t be arsed to defer to the manly menz in any way.  She’s practically the antithesis of their Sarah Palin wank fantasy.  And despite her enormous popularity in the state, there is a small contingent of angry goobers here who are incensed that a mere woman is vetoing manly legislation from GOP lawmakers.  These guys tried to legalize carrying concealed weapons in bars, among other equally stupid offerings.  She puts the kibosh on their stupid shit and it makes their pee pees hurt. 

That said, she’s a DINO like all hell but still light years better than the right wing extremist SOS who will take over if she leaves.  Jan Brewer WILL sign the guns in bars bills into law.

Comment #5: Donna  on  11/20  at  10:11 PM

I’m wondering why the current Bush/Cheney DOJ doesn’t just go ahead and appoint a special prosecutor to start going after Obama now. 

We know they’ll end up getting one sooner or later, and they wouldn’t want to risk having a non-partisan persecutor, um, prosecutor chosen later.  I’m sure there’s some eager graduate of the Holy Fundamentalist School of Law and Cosmetology who’s just itching for a chance to spend millions on a wingnut fishing expedition…

Comment #6: MikeEss  on  11/20  at  10:11 PM

I’m sure there’s some eager graduate of the Holy Fundamentalist School of Law and Cosmetology who’s just itching for a chance to spend millions on a wingnut fishing expedition…

Regent University is our nation’s finest law school, stupid LIEbral!

Comment #7: Rugged in Montana  on  11/20  at  10:34 PM

Jan Brewer WILL sign the guns in bars bills into law.

Because as we all know, there’s nothing that spurs responsible behavior like alcohol.

(I was only briefly a Zonie, and only on paper, but my parents have been snowbirds for 20 years.)

Comment #8: Mnemosyne  on  11/20  at  10:39 PM

If you didn’t do something, you put forward evidence that you didn’t do it.

Isn’t that proving a negative?

Comment #9: Eric, Rejector of Memez  on  11/20  at  10:50 PM

Jan Brewer WILL sign the guns in bars bills into law.

Good.  Give Darwin a chance to work his magic.

Comment #10: Eric, Rejector of Memez  on  11/20  at  10:51 PM

Guns and alcohol together, what could go wrong?

To celebrate his return from a tour of duty in Iraq, Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Deputy Chris Sullivan did what many young Marines do: He went out with a buddy to have a few drinks.

A few, however, became a few too many.

By the end of the evening, after consuming at least 11 drinks, Sullivan placed his loaded 9-millimeter Beretta into his longtime friend’s mouth and pulled the trigger, prosecutors allege. Sullivan insists that they were horsing around and that the gun accidentally went off when the other man grabbed his arm. Regardless of how the gun was fired, Sullivan’s friend was dead and his once promising law enforcement career was over.

As Sheriff Lee Baca looked back on the 2006 shooting, he said the main culprit was alcohol.

“This tragedy could have been prevented,” Baca said. “Alcohol and guns don’t mix.”

As a result of that incident and several others, the sheriff said, he plans to implement one of the nation’s toughest policies barring deputies from carrying firearms when they are under the influence of alcohol.

I wonder if Obama mentioned this prospect to McCain, taking Napolitano out of contention for the Senate seat he’s planning to die in—er, run for—in ‘10. Oh Janet, always moving yourself out of the way of the Republican scandal bus! You card, you.

Comment #12: serena kitt  on  11/20  at  11:15 PM

You got lucky, Dana.  I might be right about more and more important things, but you’re right about that.  I’ll fix it.  But don’t you mean, “No thanks!”, because as part of your social conservatism, you have to believe that homosex is wrong, wrong, wrong?  Or is this just one more in a long line of infinite wingnut hypocrisies?

Comment #13: Amanda Marcotte  on  11/20  at  11:23 PM

Mike, I agree with you, but for rhetorical purposes, I was trying to be as conservo-friendly as possible.  Obviously, Anita Hill was telling the truth.  Less obviously is whether or not it’s wise to say so and allow a bullshit fight about that with trolls give them an opportunity to distract people from the point of the post.

Comment #14: Amanda Marcotte  on  11/20  at  11:26 PM

“Isn’t that proving a negative?”

Well, generally what you would do in a case like that would be to bring in a parade of coworkers from the same period who never heard any complaints from anybody about inappropriate behavior, never saw any inappropriate behavior, never observed any discomfort in the interaction between the two, can cite work-related reasons for a lackluster recommendation, etc.  Not that that really proves that nothing happened, but it goes a lot further toward demonstrating your innocence than having people talk about how you’re an awesome dude who totally doesn’t whip it out in board meetings.

Comment #15: preying mantis  on  11/20  at  11:36 PM

Bastards, all of them!  DINO Arpaio-stroker that she is, she was the only thing standing between us and total wingnutopia.

Comment #16: lonespark  on  11/20  at  11:38 PM

I LOVE Janet Napolitano. I wanted her for VP, then AG; I dunno about this Homeland Security bs.

Comment #17: Hector B.  on  11/21  at  12:01 AM

It’s totally trivial of me—but I’ve never seen a picture of Napolitano before.

Is it just this shot and angle, or does she always look like Susan Sarandon?

Comment #18: Mark Foxwell  on  11/21  at  12:25 AM

I think it’s the angle. I’ve been in Arizona, watching her on the news and even in a person a few times, for three years now, and I’ve never, ever thought she looked like Susan Sarandon.

Comment #19: chingona  on  11/21  at  12:42 AM

Mark, dude, get thee to an optometrist.

Comment #20: Eric, Rejector of Memez  on  11/21  at  02:30 AM

I’ve never seen a picture of her before either, and had always thought she was the lead singer from Concrete Blonde as well as Governor of Arizona.

(What? It could happen! Didn’t Alice Cooper run once?)

Comment #21: Mark Temporis  on  11/21  at  04:37 AM

*Johnette* Napolitano was lead singer for Concrete Blonde.

Comment #22: Andrew  on  11/21  at  06:31 AM

So, readers who are more willing to torture yourself than I am, what’s Limbaugh’s beef with Napolitano?

Duh.  It’s that she’s a democrat who has the NERVE to think she’s qualified to hold public office in the United States.  Not helped, of course, by the fact that she’s a woman, a known liberal, rumored to be a lesbian, and probably eye-talian or something with that funny name that ends in a vowel. 

The only sort of person Limbaugh would like as director of Homeland Security would be a republican.  Preferably male, conservative, and waspy.

Comment #23: The Opoponax  on  11/21  at  11:23 AM

Oh, wait, Napolitano is NOT liberal but a DINO?  Well, she’s liberal to Limbaugh, anyway… 

(Clearly I have no idea what I"m talking about this morning…)

Comment #24: The Opoponax  on  11/21  at  11:29 AM

This is the story at The Corner:

Recall that one of the so-called corroborators of Hill’s story — that is, that she had been sexually harassed by her boss, Clarence Thomas— was one Susan Hoerchner. Hoerchner originally testified, however, that she heard Hill’s account of being harassed during a time period that turned out to be before she ever worked for Thomas. So her testimony not only didn’t corroborate Hill, it undermined her. But in the middle of this testimony, Napolitano — who was advising Hill — took Hoerchner off the record, and a few minutes late she came back and testified that she couldn’t remember the timing. (As David Brock put it in The Real Anita Hill, “Hill’s attorney Janet Napolitano asked to go off the record, and Hoerchner came back suddenly struck with amnesia ….”)

So the allegation would be obstruction of ... well not justice ... but more like tampering with a witness at a confirmation hearing.  In the legal world this is a big no no.

Comment #25: Libertarian  on  11/21  at  11:35 AM

Except, again, all this comes from a source that is known to be full of shit, so much so that rational media outlets won’t cite it openly.

Comment #26: The Opoponax  on  11/21  at  12:28 PM

I wouldn’t call Napolitano a DINO, although I admittedly don’t have exhaustive knowledge of all her positions. She’s a Democratic governor of a western swing state; it doesn’t shock me in the slightest that she’s against gun control and for the death penalty, for example.

Comment #27: Lisa  on  11/21  at  12:40 PM

Yeah, WTF with this Wash Post lead?

Comment #28: Bulworth  on  11/21  at  01:01 PM

(As David Brock put it in The Real Anita Hill, “Hill’s attorney Janet Napolitano asked to go off the record, and Hoerchner came back suddenly struck with amnesia ….”)

If only David Brock had not admitted that pretty much everything he wrote in The Real Anita Hill was fake, you might have a point.  Right now, quoting that book is like using A Million Little Pieces to talk about how drug rehab works.

Comment #29: Mnemosyne  on  11/21  at  01:06 PM

Op

Great argument.

I don’t know the truth, but your argument is ... uh, nothing.

Comment #30: Libertarian  on  11/21  at  01:07 PM

BTW, to whoever thought Nampolitano kinda looks like Susan Sarandon—I can see it.  If Sarandon were not a successful actress but instead was just somebody’s mom somewhere in the midwest, she would probably look like Janet Napolitano.

Comment #31: The Opoponax  on  11/21  at  01:22 PM

She’s a DINO, but this is Arizona, so it’s what she needs to be.  She supports the Drug War and (at least publicly) opposes gay marriage, for example.

Comment #32: Donna  on  11/21  at  01:39 PM

No one is writing about the real Gov. Napolitano. The one who militarized Arizona’s border with Mexico by imitating Gov. Richardson and sending the state national guard to the border. She is also a close childhood friend of Addington. Napolitano is the Democratic Addington who has the political savy to play to the mob’s fears. 

Hitler had his Fatherland; Stalin the Motherland. W. Bush gave us a Homeland. The Dept of Homeland Security should be abolished. Napolitano, a more than competent bureaucrat, will turn Homeland into a much more dangerous organization than it is now.

Comment #33: tpx  on  11/21  at  01:49 PM

The Dept of Homeland Security should be abolished.

Given that there’s going to be another huge upswing of domestic terrorism threats like when Clinton was president, I’m not sure I’m comfortable deciding that the department that might be able to prevent another Oklahoma City or Atlanta Olympics should be abolished.

Just sayin’.

Comment #34: Mnemosyne  on  11/21  at  02:49 PM

the real Gov. Napolitano… who militarized Arizona’s border with Mexico by imitating Gov. Richardson and sending the state national guard to the border.

I’m surprised there were any NGs to deploy, after five years of active duty in Iraq and Afghanistan. But do you mean the NG who built fences, dug wells, watched monitors, and trained Border Patrol agents how to shoot, back in 2006? How exactly did they “militarize” the border? They wore fatigues?

Comment #35: Hector B.  on  11/21  at  02:51 PM

The US survived Nazi and Japanese domestic threats without a Homeland Security. The US survived the Weathermen and Symbionese Liberation Army without a Homeland Security. Unlike other nations, the US has never had an interior ministry, and never needed one. The FBI is the law enforcement agency to investigate and prevent crimes like OKC and Atlanta. Creating a behemoth like Homeland will not prevent these types of domestic terrorism, but will lead to more Waco’s.

From: http://www.kvoa.com/global/story.asp?s=4604066&ClientType=Printable -

“Napolitano orders troops to border to aid immigration efforts

“Updated: March 8, 2006 02:00 PM

“Gov. Janet Napolitano signed an executive order Wednesday to expand the Arizona National Guard’s presence at the state’s porous border with Mexico to support federal efforts to combat illegal immigration and related crime.”

Comment #36: tpx  on  11/21  at  03:06 PM

The US survived Nazi and Japanese domestic threats without a Homeland Security.

Yep—we just interned thousands of Japanese-Americans in camps out in the desert even though there was very little evidence that American citizens of Japanese descent were any threat whatsoever.  That was sure a highlight of American history.  Good thing we didn’t have a Homeland Security department to keep an eye on people and determine which ones might be an actual threat rather than interning everyone indiscriminately.

The US survived the Weathermen and Symbionese Liberation Army without a Homeland Security.

We probably would have been better off with a properly regulated Homeland Security Agency rather than the illegal Cointelpro.

The FBI is the law enforcement agency to investigate and prevent crimes like OKC and Atlanta. Creating a behemoth like Homeland will not prevent these types of domestic terrorism, but will lead to more Waco’s.

You really, really need to look a little more closely at the history of the FBI since you seem to have a childlike faith that they will always do the right thing without oversight.  You have heard of J. Edgar Hoover and all of his domestic shenanigans, right?  Not to mention that Waco happened because of bad advice from the FBI.

I’m not getting why having more and better oversight of domestic agencies with a history of running illegal operations like the FBI is a bad thing.

Comment #37: Mnemosyne  on  11/21  at  03:50 PM

More and better detention camps is the expertise Sec. Napolitano will bring to Homeland. More troops on the border. Sharper razor wire.

The FBI should be the agency charged with domestic crime figting or it should be abolished and replaced with another law enforcement agency. America does not require a duplicate law enforcement agency. The FBI should also be subject to constitutional oversight to prevent the abuses of Hoover and others. There is nothing about Napolitano and Homeland that suggests they will not abuse power similarly, which might be an indication of your faith, childlike or otherwise, in Democrats, who had no inhibition to abuse the power of the FBI during the Vietnam War era. LBJ was president when the FBI spied on MLK, Jr. Clinton was president when the ATF killed all those people in Waco. Democrats are not a safeguard against abuses of police power.

Comment #38: tpx  on  11/21  at  04:38 PM

How fast you want to bet the “criticizing the President is the same as treason” riff goes away?

I used that line on my stepfather (insane freeper) last weekend.  I said once Obama takes the oath of office, any time he disagrees with our new president I can call him a terrorist who hates America, say that all conservatives hate America, and tell him if he disagrees with our president’s policies he should leave the country. 

He didn’t respond well to that.

I think he just turned back to the TV and muttered something about how Obama is the cause of our economic crisis.

Comment #39: deep6  on  11/21  at  04:39 PM

I thought the FBI was an arm of the Department of Justice, and overseen by congressional subcomittees, not Homeland Security.

Comment #40: deep6  on  11/21  at  04:48 PM

There is nothing about Napolitano and Homeland that suggests they will not abuse power similarly, which might be an indication of your faith, childlike or otherwise, in Democrats, who had no inhibition to abuse the power of the FBI during the Vietnam War era. LBJ was president when the FBI spied on MLK, Jr. Clinton was president when the ATF killed all those people in Waco. Democrats are not a safeguard against abuses of police power.

That’s true—oversight agencies are supposed to be the safeguard against abuses of police power, which is something that we’ve lacked for most of the history of the FBI.  I’m not sure why you think oversight agencies are so dangerous that you insist that they’ll be even worse than the existing police agencies.

If your argument is that Napolitano will inevitably turn herself into the next J. Edgar Hoover, please present that evidence.

Comment #41: Mnemosyne  on  11/21  at  05:07 PM

Off-topic, but weird, I was just on DHS’s website looking for information about the agencies they oversee and found this.

The Task Force on New Americans is an inter-agency effort to help immigrants learn English, embrace the common core of American civic culture, and fully become American.

Objectives of the Task Force on New Americans include:

Improving access to federal information and resources for new immigrants;
Encouraging volunteerism among U.S. citizens and newcomers;
Providing training and technical resources to organization that serve immigrants; and
Gathering input on successful immigrant integration practices
Created by President George W. Bush in June 2006, the Task Force was established within the Department of Homeland Security. Secretary Michael Chertoff serves as Chair of the Task Force and Emilio T. González, Director of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), serves as Executive Secretary. Task Force membership includes representatives from 12 Cabinet-level departments and a technical working committee of eight additional federal agencies.

Then below all the agencies with representatives on the task force are listed.  The Department of Defense is on there.  I mean, it’s a stretch already for the Department of Homeland Security to be there, but still . . . .  Wow.  Who knew that people with expertise in civilian oversight of our military could also focus on encouraging immigrants to volunteer.  This seems more like an excuse to keep brown people’s names in big databases.

Comment #42: deep6  on  11/21  at  05:08 PM

Who knew that people with expertise in civilian oversight of our military could also focus on encouraging immigrants to volunteer.  This seems more like an excuse to keep brown people’s names in big databases.

Ick. 

Please note that I’m defending the Department of Homeland Security as an idea, not necessarily as it’s configured right now.  It’s going to need a serious top-to-bottom overhaul to fulfill the functions it should be doing rather than being the new-and-improved Cointelpro that it is right now.

Comment #43: Mnemosyne  on  11/21  at  05:10 PM

please present that evidence…

Please refer to the link describing Napolitano’s executive order to militarize the border.  To me it was a clear abuse of power strictly for political gain. Homeland Security was conceived as a tool for political gain, too. It was not created to improve domestic security.

Comment #44: tpx  on  11/21  at  05:42 PM

Guard numbers on border to be halved

National Guard wrapping up its US-Mexican border duty

Wow, that’s sure some scary police state action there.  Because the first action of every police state is to first cut the number of soldiers on duty in half a year after the program begins, and then to end the program entirely.

I’m sure glad you alerted us to Napolitano’s fascist tendencies so we know what to expect.

Homeland Security was conceived as a tool for political gain, too. It was not created to improve domestic security.

Again, you are misinformed.  The Clinton Administration first conceived of the Department of Homeland Security to improve domestic security.  The fact that the Bush Administration dragged their feet on the proposal until 9/11 and then rejiggered it to fit their specifications doesn’t mean that the original intent was to allow the government to eavesdrop on American citizens and abuse foreign travelers.

Comment #45: Mnemosyne  on  11/21  at  06:33 PM

Cockburn from today’s Counterpunch (I know, not a moderate’s favorite site):

“Janet Napolitano, the Arizona governor slated to be head of Homeland Security, horrified labor organizers at one meeting earlier this year listening to her boasting about kicking migrant workers back into Mexico.”

Comment #46: tpx  on  11/21  at  07:09 PM

Ah, yes, Alexander Cockburn, the guy who never met an Israeli he didn’t hate and cheers union-buster Ralph Nader as the voice of the working man.  Because clearly the most important thing about Rahm Imanuel being Obama’s Chief of Staff is that “[his] father was in the fascist Irgun in the late Forties, responsible for cold-blooded massacres of Palestinians.”

That’s who I go to for my unbiased opinions.

Comment #47: Mnemosyne  on  11/21  at  07:17 PM

Sorry, my other link didn’t turn up:

Ralph Nader, union buster

Comment #48: Mnemosyne  on  11/21  at  07:22 PM

If you were an immigrant, or empathized with them, you might have a better idea about the tendencies of and what to expect from a Sec. Napolitano.

Comment #49: tpx  on  11/21  at  07:23 PM

boasting about kicking migrant workers back into Mexico.

A story surprisingly ignored by even the alternative media.

The contrary position on immigration to Napolitano is held by Sheriff “tent city” Arpaio.

Comment #50: Hector B.  on  11/21  at  07:28 PM

Rahm Emanuel should be subject to the same laws that put John Walker Lindh in jail for twenty years for his service with the IDF, but that is another discussion. It does, however, bring up the power to abuse authority prosecutors have, and that is how Napolitano learned her craft. Will she affect most Americans? Probably not. Will she continue the pogroms against Hispanic immigrants? Probably.

Comment #51: tpx  on  11/21  at  07:33 PM

If you were an immigrant, or empathized with them, you might have a better idea about the tendencies of and what to expect from a Sec. Napolitano.

Yes, clearly if I don’t agree with Alexander Cockburn that Rahm Imanuel is a war criminal for being a (former) Israeli citizen, that means I want Napolitano to herd all immigrants into camps and turn them into soap.  Good call there.

Comment #52: Mnemosyne  on  11/21  at  07:38 PM

Certain people would probably be offended at your use of the word “pogrom” to to describe what can at best be called “a mild desire for Mexicans who are in the country illegally to return home, and the prevention of further illegal immigration.” 

I’m not saying that anti-immigrant feeling doesn’t often have a racist component, but clearly you have no idea what the world “pogrom” means..

Comment #53: The Opoponax  on  11/21  at  07:50 PM

Clearly you have no idea what Hispanic immigrants have been going through.

Comment #54: tpx  on  11/21  at  08:15 PM

Please provide a link to absolute proof that large-scale riots resulting in mass murder and destruction of homes, businesses, and religious centers are taking place against Mexicans in the US southwest, and that these literal actual pogroms are being spearheaded by Janet Napolitano.  Or even that they are being spearheaded by known associates of hers with which she personally agrees on this matter.

Or, alternately, stop using what is an incredibly loaded word to describe something more correctly called “steps to facilitate the removal of specific individuals who are in the US illegally”. 

Look, in an ideal world, borders won’t exist and people can settle wherever they please.  Until such time, sovereign nation states will probably retain the power to determine who can and/or cannot legally reside within their borders.  And it seems pretty reasonable to have some mechanism to control the rate of immigration into your country.  The rules should be fair, but there’s nothing really wrong with the governor of a state which is often subject to the violation of said rules wanting to take a strong stance on enforcement of same.

Comment #55: The Opoponax  on  11/21  at  08:36 PM

Clearly you have no idea what Hispanic immigrants have been going through.

I do, and it sucks.  But comparing it to people being driven off their property, their homes burned, and forcing them to flee to another country for refuge (assuming they escape with their lives) is a pretty asshole move.

You can fairly call what’s going on in Darfur a pogrom.  Are you arguing that Napolitano has treated or will treat illegal workers as badly as people in Darfur are being treated?  Really?  You may need to check your sense of proportion.

Comment #56: Mnemosyne  on  11/21  at  08:42 PM

I was another Arizonan for VP Janet. She is a political superstar in AZ, even the Republicans love her.. She is shrewd and doesn’t take any crap. She doesn’t compromise until you have and even then it is more on her terms than yours. She would have been a good pick because she has a great “Mavrick” persona… more than McCain ever did and she is used to working hard across the aisle. If it had been her against McCain Arizona would have gone blue (and PUMAS, if they exist, would have been thrilled). Also, almost any Arizonan knows she’s as gay as they come, though she isn’t out and people like her enough for it to not be an issue.

I should say, what Janet (and her constituency) thinks needs to happen in Arizona for the border crisis is different then what she would apply to the country I have a feeling…

Now if Obama can just find a place for my other girlfriend, Kyrsten Sinema.

Comment #57: nerdgirllauren  on  11/22  at  12:39 AM

Unlike other nations, the US has never had an interior ministry, and never needed one.

Dude, whatever are you talking about?  We’ve had a Dept. of the Interior since Zachary Taylor’s presidency.  Poor Dirk Kempthorne is no ace, but you ought to at least acknowledge his existance.

Comment #58: rea  on  11/22  at  08:50 AM

I’m really disappointed Bruce Schneirer didn’t get the pick.

Comment #59: Bacopa  on  11/22  at  03:14 PM

Amanda wrote:

You got lucky, Dana.  I might be right about more and more important things, but you’re right about that.  I’ll fix it.  But don’t you mean, “No thanks!”, because as part of your social conservatism, you have to believe that homosex is wrong, wrong, wrong?  Or is this just one more in a long line of infinite wingnut hypocrisies?

Actually, what it meant—and I hope that you noticed the smile —was just poking a bit of fun.  Sometimes you really should lighten up a bit.

Comment #60: Dana  on  11/22  at  03:35 PM

Rea, in most countries, the Interior Ministry controls the police.

Comment #61: Dana  on  11/22  at  03:37 PM

The origin of hatred for European Jews was because they were immigrants. Immigrants who resisted assimilation. The hatred of immigrants in America is similar and has already led to institutional violence against them. Although that violence has not yet achieved the level of Russia’s or Armenia’s or Sudan’s pogroms, the treatment of American immigrants can still be described as a pogrom because of its institutionality. Not only does Maricopa Sheriff Arpaio resemble the Warden character from The Fiddler on the Roof, so does Gov. Napolitano, who will bring her competent career criminal justice experience to the problem. Had that experience been brought to the FBI or Justice, it might be used for good. Used at Homeland, it could be dangerous.

Comment #62: tpx  on  11/24  at  01:01 PM
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