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Netroots Nation: conservatives nearby turn things ugly

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Back from Netroots Nation, and while I'm still a little tired, I'm energized as usual after the conference.  As many of you no doubt know, the pathetic shadow conference Right Online was closer than ever this year.  And by "pathetic shadow conference", I mean it.  Every year, Right Online finds out where Netroots Nation is and schedules near there, because there's something about being conservative that requires being childish and petulant.  This year, it was especially ugly, because the Right Online was closer than ever to Netroots Nation, and they were in fact in the Hilton that many of us---including myself---were staying at.  Which means that the childish, petulant behavior kept spilling over.  And also that I ran into Andrew Breitbart downtown and took a picture of him standing with a friend (with his permission, of course!).  Breitbart showed up at Netroots Nation, which is irritating because while the vast majority of attendees react to such behavior the way you should---with scorn bordering on indifference---a handful of people got provoked and taped themselves yelling stupid shit at him.  Which is what he no doubt hoped would happen, and leave media with the assumption that "both sides" are bad, even though only one side schedules an entire conference for the sole purpose of irritating their opponents.  

False equivalence is particularly a problem when you consider that the one incident that everyone heard about was a Right Online attendee harassing some Netroots attendees.  The main victim of the harassment told her story in a panel about fighting Islamaphobia (which was, by the way, a great panel that I learned a lot from). She was wearing a hijab  while standing outside a bar that was having a Netroots event, talking to some friends, and at least one of her friends was also wearing a hijab, and some dude from a shitty right wing blog rolled up and started to harass her and her friend.  When they told him to kindly fuck off, he started taking their pictures.  (For what purpose, I'm not sure---he seemed to be under the impression that someone could use the photos as some sort of expose of Netroots Nation, or maybe he thought the police would somehow stop free Americans from wearing what they like as they stand around on the streets of Minneapolis.)  At this point, a number of people at the party came to the women's defense, and he was arrested.  Marc and I walked up to the club right as the man was being shoved into a cop car, and I said something about it, since something about the situation seemed like it was more than a drunk-asshole-getting-arrested situation.  Indeed, it was.  And of course, someone got video of much of the confrontation between the man who was harassing the women and the Netroots folks who pushed back. You can see the confrontation (with my Texas buddy Matt Glazer!) starting at 4:30. 

Here is a first person account.  Here's the harasser's online profile, and here is his arrest record

I want to highlight that the guy in question is threatening to call Andrew Breitbart, which again I don't completely understand.  Does he think Breitbart has some legal authority to stop people from standing in the streets wearing clothing items he disapproves of?  I suppose I can see how you'd get confused, since all this happened the day Anthony Weiner resigned.  But it's unsettling to see how at least one of Breitbart's fans imbues the man with nearly god-like powers.  I'm inclined to think the guy is bluffing, by the way, and was just hoping the threat of calling the Breitbart cops who would make the women pay for wearing hijabs would make them, I don't know, stop or something. 

Anyway, the incident was understandably upsetting, and some people reacted by organizing a flash mob at the Hilton.  I stood on the second floor and watched it; it was mainly a bunch of people milling around, many in hijabs.  But it worked as intended, getting coverage for the incident and giving the protestors a chance to explain their point of view:

Jesse and I got in the elevator with some protestors after the incident and spoke briefly to them; they were excited and a little scared about everything that happened, but felt like they had made their point. 

Of course, you can predict the right wing reaction, considering that what happened was a woman claiming a man harassed her: immediately hide behind claims that women are liars and not to be believed.  John Hawkins of Right Wing News went straight to that strategy.  Believe it or  not, I was one of the liberal bloggers he was talking to, as was Jesse.  I don't recall if I explained to him that I had seen the guy getting arrested, but you know, if he was so skeptical, he could have asked if we knew anything. By the way, the characterization of Netroots as "90-95% white" is really laughable from someone who was there with Right Online, since when we were talking to him the entire conference was moving from one location to another.  But I wouldn't characterize them as 90-95% white, since that figure is way too low. 

Hopefully, the right wingers won't be as close next year.  While it did provide from some really amusing encounters (liberals are apparently very frightening to ride elevators with!), it's also scary, since there is the unhinged element of conservative activists, and a willingness to make casual death threats, as Melissa Clouthier did on Twitter, when she said, "Bunch of #nn11 folks in the elevator called me the enemy. I reminded that folks on the right pack heat. #ro11."

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 08:05 AM • (31) Comments

Oliver Platt is going to beat that guy up for stealing his look, badly.

Comment #1: Mighty Ponygirl  on  06/20  at  09:24 AM

“I want to highlight that the guy in question is threatening to call Andrew Breitbart, which again I don’t completely understand.  Does he think Breitbart has some legal authority to stop people from standing in the streets wearing clothing items he disapproves of?”

Breitbart, asshole extraordinaire, has the ability to convince the Media to believe a molehill is a mountain.  Mr. Reichwing Racist Dickhead no doubt hoped (and probably still hopes) that this would get turned from a lone wingnut racist jerkoff shouting at Muslim American women for no reason other than their choice of clothing into a repeat of the ‘68 Democratic Convention or something.

Young Master O’Keefe was there too, and I figure there’s at least a 50% chance he’ll have some footage he can edit into something that will be taken as media-worthy, at least for a day or three.  (Maybe some woman working the counter at Starbucks flubbed his order, and he can use tape he took of it to get her fired for being a Radical Liberal operative trying to poison him, and then get that particular Starbucks closed or something.  Gotta keep adding scalps…)

This Rechwing anti-Democratic activity is beginning to look like some sort of protection racket:  “It’d be a real shame if something was to happen to you’s little convention here…”

Comment #2: MikeEss  on  06/20  at  09:46 AM

MP: Michael Lonsdale as Hugo Drax.

Comment #3: norbizness  on  06/20  at  10:09 AM

“But I wouldn’t characterize them as 90-95% white, since that figure is way too low.”

Ha ha ha!

Comment #4: Albert Cirrus  on  06/20  at  10:39 AM

I think MikeEss has the Brietbart threat right.

As far as Right Online being there, though, I don’t think it is necessarily petulance. The idea of having a shadow protest conference is an old one and hardly limited to right-wing pique.

Admittedly, with this gang, that’s never a bad thing to rule out, though.

Comment #5: LC  on  06/20  at  10:42 AM

Next year, have it near or in the Castro district in San Francisco, or Chinatown, as either should feed the typical wingnut paranoia that they are being outnumbered and rendered irrelevant.

If the former, perhaps you could have a variation of the flash mob with the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence.

If not,  find a Chinese dance troupe to do something to “The Chairman Dances” from Nixon in China.

Comment #6: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  06/20  at  10:57 AM

By the way, the characterization of Netroots as “90-95% white” is really laughable from someone who was there with Right Online, since when we were talking to him the entire conference was moving from one location to another.  But I wouldn’t characterize them as 90-95% white, since that figure is way too low.

OK, I’m only on my first cup of coffee, but the above seemed a bit unclear - Netroots was 90-95% white? which entire conference? who is “them” in the next sentence, please? 

And DAGCM, I like that one.  For a more central location, I think Gary, Indiana still has a Convention Center.  Close to Chicago,for ease of access, but it’s guaranteed to keep the lilywhite asses of O’Keefe and Breightfart (yeah, juvenile, but he sort of brings that side out, you know?) far, far away.

Comment #7: phylosopher  on  06/20  at  11:23 AM

Personally, I’d hoist them on their own petard.  Research the laws, hire some security, and if the wingnuts make one step over the line and intrude on your private rights (such as Brietbart crashing an event he didn’t pay for, have them arrested.

Comment #8: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  06/20  at  11:36 AM

“Research the laws, hire some security, and if the wingnuts make one step over the line and intrude on your private rights (such as Brietbart crashing an event he didn’t pay for, have them arrested.”

...which plays right into the wingnut narrative that says the Ultra Radical Left is much worse than anyone on the Right, but the Lame-Stream Liberal Media cover it all up, so you can only find out the truth on Faux.

Whether it’s fair or not, one of the basic facts of life in these United States is the Left and the Right are held to entirely different ethical and behavioral standards, and what’s a good strategy for the (right-wing) gander is unimaginable for the (left-wing) goose…

Comment #9: MikeEss  on  06/20  at  11:46 AM

Seems like the more effective strategy is a variant on what was done—tape them being racist choads.

Comment #10: Punditus Maximus  on  06/20  at  11:51 AM

..which plays right into the wingnut narrative that says the Ultra Radical Left is much worse than anyone on the Right, but the Lame-Stream Liberal Media cover it all up, so you can only find out the truth on Faux.

Not quite. The right wing narrative is that they are the obedient, law abiding citizens tying to stop the lawlessness of the left. Having them arrested for their violent behavior would humiliate them in the eyes of their peers and hurt them personally and psychologically, exposing the fact that they’re nothing more than the violent criminal thugs that they are.

The modern republican party is founded o the premise that being a republican is the way to indulge their fantasies of torture, harassment, and illegal intrusion on people’s lives. Using the law to crack down o them would finally put them back into line and restrain the out of control id within their culture.

Comment #11: Tyro  on  06/20  at  12:16 PM

Incorrect, anon.  The flash mob was in the lobby of the Hilton.  Not only were Netroots people allowed there, many of us were staying there.  And in fact the conference provided us with some swag in our rooms, demonstrating how welcome we were there.  Oh yeah, and the “Welcome Netroots” banner at the Hilton was bigger and more prominently placed. 

But I’m glad you sprouted a hard on thinking of punishing women for wearing clothes you don’t like.

Comment #12: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/20  at  12:24 PM

I don’t know, Tyro.  Never underestimate how much right wing resentment is being driven by jealousy of the hippie/hipster left they denounce for not being so straightlaced.  Just as Tea Partiers keep claiming this right wing event or that is the new Woodstock, so they’re beginning to have a me-too attitude about law-breaking.  Of course, they don’t distinguish between the civil disobedience they denounce when performed on the left and genuinely immoral criminal behavior.  But James O’Keefe was given a hero’s welcome as he sports an ankle bracelet because of his criminal trespassing.  Anti-choicers have been pretending that harassment and terrorism of people making private choices that don’t involve them is the same thing as having a sit-in to protest public choices to discriminate.  And of course, you have the casual tendency to threaten murder, as noted in the post. 

They hold conflicting ideas in their heads well.  As the guy harassing these women demonstrates, a wingnut is capable of both actually breaking the law and being proud of himself for it, while being outraged on the behalf of “law and order” that women wear hijabs in public.  You know, even though that’s actually legal.

Comment #13: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/20  at  12:31 PM

“Bunch of #nn11 folks in the elevator called me the enemy. I reminded that folks on the right pack heat. #ro11.”

If you are carrying a concealed weapon, Minnesota state law may require you to inform people that threaten you that you have a concealed weapon. So maybe Ms. Clouthier was just feeling threatened by people who think differently than her and wanted to just put that on the table.

...or maybe she thought that mentioning a weapon in an elevator was funny.

Me, personally, whenever I find out a person I am sharing a lift with is a conservative, I try to make as many gun jokes as I can. i.e. “What’s more likely to injure or kill yourself or your loved ones than a home intruder?”

Comment #14: artiofab  on  06/20  at  12:34 PM

The right wing has no issue with violence, Tyro as long as it’s justified. Justified being anything they can pitch to make themselves look like noble warriors defending freedom. It’s how a group of non-law enforcement or even private security guys can knock a woman to the ground and start kicking her for trying to give Ron Paul a little statue and still feel like upstanding citizens maintaining the fabric of civilization. If you sent the authorities after them at the convention they’d just wail about sneaky liberals bringing in the jackboots of the tyrannical state down upon their truth-seeking, freedom of speech-loving asses.

Comment #15: scrumby  on  06/20  at  12:40 PM

@Tyro:  I think there’s one problem with your point.  Right-wingers believe in Law and Order for all of those Other People.  Never forget, IOKIYAR.  It’s the same reason why Vitter is in the Senate despite committing a crime while Wiener has to resign for the mortal sin of narcissism.  It’s also the reason why it’s OK for middle-aged, married, white women to get abortions, but it’s absolutely abominable when young women and minorities do the same.  They simply think that they are so special that the rules don’t apply to them.

Comment #16: progrocker  on  06/20  at  12:54 PM

It’s deeper than that—it’s that rules are for people who aren’t them.  It has nothing to do with specialness; it has to do with the nature of rules.

Comment #17: Punditus Maximus  on  06/20  at  01:18 PM

I’m with Punditus Maxiumus on this, it is the nature of rules to apply differently to people not them.

Comment #18: LC  on  06/20  at  01:21 PM

Make them personally pay for their law breaking.  Harrass someone?  Get arrested and have to pay a fine.  I know my employer would be very interested in something like an arrest and it could lose someone a job, or at least their clearance.

Comment #19: helen w. h.  on  06/20  at  01:27 PM

Punditus—unfortunately, that tends to be a human condition, it’s called fundamental attribution error. It’s not a strictly partisan issue. People have to work hard to be generous towards other people. I suppose that if your political attitude (liberalism) predisposes you to be empathetic, then it’s easier to overcome this tendency, but I wouldn’t bank on it. wink

Comment #20: Mighty Ponygirl  on  06/20  at  01:39 PM

“Make them personally pay for their law breaking.  Harrass someone?  Get arrested and have to pay a fine.”

Remember, the Reichwing definition of “harassment” includes having the “wrong” bumper-stickers on your car, wearing the “wrong” tee-shirt, and expressing the “wrong” political ideas.

Common sense definitions of everyday concepts are quickly abandoned when ideology is allowed to overrule everything else…

Comment #21: MikeEss  on  06/20  at  01:45 PM

Next year have Netroots in my hometown, Detroit. Even the abortion clinics don’t draw protesters there because wingnuts are too scared to go south of 8 Mile.

Comment #22: serious bette  on  06/20  at  02:48 PM

Oh my god, not - not Andrew Breitbart!

Comment #23: junk science  on  06/20  at  03:51 PM

Next year, the conference is in Providence.

Comment #24: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/20  at  03:51 PM

Next year, the conference is in Providence.

Comment #25: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/20  at  03:51 PM

Providence, huh? Great food, but if the Right Online crew shows up, someone better warn the strip clubs to bring extra mops for the slime.

Comment #26: BrianX  on  06/20  at  05:43 PM

This of course would also apply to the hijab-wearing “flash mob” crashing the RightOnline conference…

“Crashing” = “Standing outside” in wingnut-speak.

Next up - Mexicans invading America by living near the border…

Comment #27: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  06/20  at  06:57 PM

Oh, yes.  “Heads, I win.  Tails, you lose.”  If you let them in, they’ll find someone with crazy enough ideals that they can extend to everyone there.  If you block them, they’ll talk about how you’re hiding from the American People and True Patriots™ like themselves.  You can’t win that game—don’t even try.  I think the only way you can even break even is to just be open about it, and when they lie, call them out on it (exactly as is being done now).  A dose of ridicule doesn’t hurt, either.

Comment #28: ckitching  on  06/20  at  08:48 PM

That PJTV douchebag is a shit reporter. Needs to learn to shut up and listen.

Comment #29: snobographer  on  06/20  at  11:57 PM

Providence, RI?  Oh, that will be fun.  I hope it’s downtown.

Comment #30: helen w. h.  on  06/21  at  08:58 AM

I can’t deal with John Cole and his gang’s denouncing the protesters for being unserious, or something.

Comment #31: Josh  on  06/22  at  12:31 AM
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