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New 50,000-volt Taser offers capability to shock multiple ‘targets’ at once

My, my, is this what we call progress in the New World Police State? Taser International has convinced our friends across the pond to deploy the “electronic control device” in London this week, where protestors can feel the burn, as it were, if they get too out of hand. (AlterNet):

Months after the Republican National Convention in the U.S., such sweeping security measures may seem to be par for the course. But in the UK—where police forces have traditionally not carried guns—it was not that long ago that Tasers were new to the streets. Since their arrival in the spring of 2003, however, their popularity has skyrocketed; last fall, Home Secretary Jacqui Smith unveiled a plan to spend £8 million on Tasers and Taser training for 30,000 police officers, providing some 10,000 new Tasers to police across England and Wales. “I am proud that we have one of the few police services around the world that do not regularly carry firearms,” Smith said, “and I want to keep it that way.” But an arms expert at Amnesty International UK called the move “a dangerous step in British policing,” citing “numerous” taser deaths in North America as a cautionary example.

There are plenty of cases to review over at my pad. But Taser International is now offering a model with new and enhanced capabilities that is surely going to be attractive to the sadist set…

On March 31, the company’s latest Taser model—called the Shockwavehit the market; according to Taser International website, it “allows for both increased safety and stand-off capability during hostile situations, minimizing risk with a stand-off distance of up to 100 meters.” But as Dalia Hashad, director of Amnesty International’s USA Program focusing on domestic human rights, wrote about the product last falll, the Shockwave “belongs in my ‘You’ve Got to Be Kidding’ file along with Taser International’s leopard-print MP3 player that doubles as a taser and their employment of Playboy Bunnies for promotion.” The company’s literature shows it to be a powerful crowd-control weapon:

With the push of a button at a stand-off distance of up to 100 meters, the Shockwave unit deploys multiple standard TASER® cartridges that are oriented across an area arc. Full area coverage is provided to instantaneously incapacitate multiple personnel within that region.”

En masse Tasing capability—when law enforcement cannot even educate cops on the beat to use a single-stun device appropriately— is unbelievable. Take a look at this device in action (via EnGadget):

The first (gulp) generation of Taser remote area denial systems consists of a Taser 6-shooter module covering a 20-degree arc at 25-feet. Best of all, they can be daisy-chained into an apparently endless array of hot neuro muscular incapacitation action.

And there’s video from Taser International (you MUST watch this).

Countdown to cookie defending the right to multi-zap at will…

Hat tip, Radha.

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Posted by Pam Spaulding on 01:03 PM • (34) Comments

What’s the last incident you can remember in which the police would have been justified in machine gunning a crowd?  Well, take comfort in the fact that the next time it happens, they’ll be able to tase the crowd instead!

“Tase them all, and let God sort them out!”

Comment #1: rea  on  04/02  at  01:21 PM

“After the Republican national convention…”

Huh? Why didn’t I hear about the riots that killed dozens?
Because that would be the only way *that* would make any fucking sense. Or do they mean electric phallus substitutes have become more popular with thug-conservatives since they were obviously going to lose political power.

Comment #2: Samantha Vimes  on  04/02  at  01:38 PM

I can’t load the video for some reason (probably my own firewall) but does it have some 300 pound linebacker getting tased to show how effective it is?  The older demos I’ve seen usually involve the largest people I’ve seen in my life getting jolted into paralysis without consideration for what it would do to the 160 lb. man / 100 lb. woman / guy with pacemaker they actually end up using it on.

Comment #3: Joshua  on  04/02  at  01:44 PM

This smells like an April Fool’s joke…

Comment #4: James  on  04/02  at  01:56 PM

This smells like an April Fool’s joke…

If only. The Engadget column announcing the development was from 2007. The device was just released.

Comment #5: Pam Spaulding  on  04/02  at  01:59 PM

“THIS WAY TO ENEMY,” according to the video, that’s what it says on the Shockwave so you know which is the business end.

Pretty much explains the attitude of the people who would deploy this system.
Unbelievable.

Comment #6: gravitybear  on  04/02  at  01:59 PM

@gravitybear:  That labeling convention reminded me of something.

Comment #7: L33tminion  on  04/02  at  02:06 PM

“This way to enemy,” like the Claymore mine.  In case the people using are too stupid to know which is the business end.  Who, if they are that stupid, probably can’t be trusted to know how to read, let alone trusted with law enforcement.

It sure would be funny to see a line of riot cops deploy one of these things backwards though…

Comment #8: Chocolate Covered Cotton  on  04/02  at  02:15 PM

I know how this ends - cops mindlessly tasing whole crowds in an effort to hit one “perp”.  This nonsense needs to stop.

Comment #9: Richard Goblin  on  04/02  at  02:17 PM

rea: exactly.  If normal tasers are considered a less-lethal alternative to firearms and supposedly used in instances where someone might otherwise be shot, is this thing to be considered an alternative to a machine gun or a grenade?

How is this thing supposed to be more effective than plain old tear gas?  Because gas masks are readily available to the public?  It’s certainly more high-tech and expensive, so LE will love it.

Are there any countermeasures to a taser?

Comment #10: Chocolate Covered Cotton  on  04/02  at  02:22 PM

Scary.

Comment #11: Pandagon Conservative  on  04/02  at  02:31 PM

Oh this is just fucking dandy.  Those of us with funky heartbeats will love this.  Some asshat 20 ft away from me pisses off a cop and I get tased?

Comment #12: BadKitty  on  04/02  at  02:38 PM

Oh this is just fucking dandy.  Those of us with funky heartbeats will love this.  Some asshat 20 ft away from me pisses off a cop and I get tased?

But a cop wouldn’t tase someone if they didn’t have it coming, right? </sarcasm>
I have a bad feeling that this shotgun taser is going to become a nasty crowd control weapon.

Comment #13: Richard Goblin  on  04/02  at  02:43 PM

If normal tasers are considered a less-lethal alternative to firearms and supposedly used in instances where someone might otherwise be shot, is this thing to be considered an alternative to a machine gun or a grenade?

In development:
TASER land mine
TASER rocket launcher
TASER flamethrower
TASER baseball bat
TASER sea mine
TASER anti-tank gun
TASER surface-to-air missile
TASER nuclear warhead

Comment #14: Alex, FCD  on  04/02  at  02:44 PM

Are there any countermeasures to a taser?

Purely theoretical, but i would guess any sort of body suit capable of stopping penetration of the business ends of the projectile, doubled with a wire mesh to shortcircuit the thing (though I wonder if the path through the mesh won’t heat up too much for this to be practical).

Basically this thing works because there’s so much voltage going through that the current can jump across a high resistance substance, like organic material, to close the circuit, and since the nervous system is already geared towards transmitting electrical impulses, the electricity ends up going through there. You have to give it a path of lesser resistance. The danger, as I say, is that a low resistance path would probably heat up.

Anyway, this doesn’t look like something as simple as vinegar/water solutions to cleanse tear gas and pepper spray out of your eyes. It would take dedicated activists some time to design a solution, they would need some way to experiment (i.e their own taser) because of dangers like the aforementionned possibility of red hot wire mesh burning through skin, and it wouldn’t be a cheap method (though I’m guessing protecting mostly the chest area, like a bulletproof vest, would work in most cases).

And yeah, for SOME reason I think a lot about countermeasures to ‘less lethal’ weaponry…

Comment #15: BlackBloc  on  04/02  at  02:48 PM

“TASER land mine
TASER rocket launcher
TASER flamethrower
TASER baseball bat
TASER sea mine
TASER anti-tank gun
TASER surface-to-air missile
TASER nuclear warhead”

...or, they’ll just implant it when you’re born, and target you by your serial number when you misbehave…or look like you might misbehave…

Comment #16: MikeEss  on  04/02  at  03:27 PM

From the video, it looks like the device shoots the projectiles in a splatter pattern. At least (at LEAST) with a one-shot taser, you could aim it. This one doesn’t seem to be aim-able. So, how would you like to be one of the lucky fucks who gets tasered in your eye by this thing?

Comment #17: cycles  on  04/02  at  03:30 PM

In development:
TASER land mine
TASER rocket launcher
TASER flamethrower
TASER baseball bat
TASER sea mine
TASER anti-tank gun
TASER surface-to-air missile
TASER nuclear warhead

Urgh!  You missed the TASER grenade.  Just throw it in the crowd and some sort of electrified medium fills the air zapping everyone in the area.

...or, they’ll just implant it when you’re born, and target you by your serial number when you misbehave…or look like you might misbehave…

This would not surprise me.

Comment #18: Richard Goblin  on  04/02  at  03:32 PM

I haven’t seen this new thing at work, but it doesn’t practical to me.  There are a lot of questions I have about it.  Aim points, being able to recycle it, just among a few.  I think there are a lot better crowd control options on the market than this one.  And NO there is no way to defeat the Taser, the only way to defeat it, is one of the probes missing the target which doesn’t complete the circuit.  The probes do not need to penetrate your skin to work.  Penetration on clothing that you’re wearing will work just fine. That still completes the circuit.  Actually, had one of my officers do that last night.  Guy was wearing a thick jacket, didn’t penetrate his skin but his jacket, dropped him like a bad habit. As always I so enjoy this lively debate.

Comment #19: cookie  on  04/02  at  03:38 PM

“As always I so enjoy this lively debate.”

...it must be difficult to type with just one hand…

Comment #20: MikeEss  on  04/02  at  03:40 PM

Penetration on clothing that you’re wearing will work just fine. That still completes the circuit.

Hence why on top of padding, you’d need the padding to have some sort of conductive mesh.

The question is whether the Taser has a fuse that kicks if there’s a short-circuit (thus just causing the circuit to close on a low resistance material would kick the fuse) or if you have to wait until the thing burns itself out (in which case it’s likely your anti-Taser shirt might overheat a bit too).

Either way it’s going to cost a bit of money. It’s not something a bunch of anarcho-punks might be able to scrounge up easily.

Comment #21: BlackBloc  on  04/02  at  03:45 PM

YAY!! A new way to be a dick… Oh joy… sigh

Comment #22: Nixxx  on  04/02  at  03:49 PM

...or, they’ll just implant it when you’re born, and target you by your serial number when you misbehave…or look like you might misbehave…

Look, if you’re not doing anything wrong, you’ll have NOTHING to worry about.  Do you want the terrorists to win?

911, Mike, 911!

Comment #23: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  04/02  at  04:02 PM

“So, how would you like to be one of the lucky fucks who gets tasered in your eye by this thing?”

That was exactly what I was thinking. Up close, there’s a reasonable expectation that the user will a) hit the person they were aiming at, and b) hit them in an area that is more likely to be non-fatal.

Not only is this going to get someone in an eye sooner rather than later, but anything that can shoot 100 meters does exactly what to a passerby at 10 meters who gets in the way? That’s even without the electrical charge.

And, any guarantees (I know the intention, but come on) that nobody is going to get hit with multiple probes and get double, triple doses? Across the heart - hell, they tell you not to hook up a TENS unit across your chest, for god’s sake, what about two taser terminals? 20 degree arc my ass - there’s that passerby (or even fellow cop) to consider.

Comment #24: Lymis  on  04/02  at  04:18 PM

“Do you want the terrorists to win?”

...well, if you have to ask…

All I know is I truly, deeply love Big Brother.  Now where’s the guy with the gin?...

Comment #25: MikeEss  on  04/02  at  04:20 PM

I take it back. I watched the video again. each individual unit has a 20 degree arc, and you can hook them together in series - which makes it a DESIGN feature that there is going to be overlapping coverage if a few of these are hooked together. What happens to the person who gets multiple hits?

Guarantee it won’t be Big Scary Guy. Grandma? The innocent toddler? This is fucked up.

Comment #26: Lymis  on  04/02  at  04:21 PM

“the Shockwave”
Man, there’s a Transformers joke in this, but damn if I can find it…

Comment #27: Devonian  on  04/02  at  04:39 PM

Another example of why I’m glad my department doesn’t issue Tasers.  Yeesh, this thing is a class-action lawsuit just waiting to happen.

Comment #28: Ol_Froth  on  04/02  at  04:44 PM

Isn’t discharge of one of these pretty much the definition of negligence? But I think it should be renamed the Taser Whiff of Grapeshot.

Comment #29: paul  on  04/02  at  05:46 PM

Are there any countermeasures to a taser?

youtube and laywers.

Comment #30: deep6  on  04/02  at  05:52 PM

Oh this is just fucking dandy.  Those of us with funky heartbeats will love this.  Some asshat 20 ft away from me pisses off a cop and I get tased?

The story claims a range of 100 meters.  From that far off it’s certainly easy to discern the bottle-throwersfrom the sign-wavers, news photographers, and bystanders.

And once again, cookie ignores the premise of a comment while presenting his refutation of it.  Fool, blackbloc wasn’t talking about normal heavy clothing.  Did you miss that part about having a conductor layer?  Anyone of your cops try that?  No.  Again, a pointless point.

I’m sure you’ve probably been asked this before, but do your officers use the weapon as sold- only as an alternative to shooting with a gun?  Is every use of a taser one where the officer would have otherwise shot the person? 

Or do they use it as a method of forcing compliance or punishment for failure to immediately respond favorably to a command? 

Do you even recognize the difference and why it’s fucking important?

Comment #31: Chocolate Covered Cotton  on  04/02  at  05:54 PM

I’m sure you’ve probably been asked this before, but do your officers use the weapon as sold- only as an alternative to shooting with a gun?  Is every use of a taser one where the officer would have otherwise shot the person?

Don’t be so untrusting.  I’m sure that officers only use tasers when they would rather use a gun.

Comment #32: D  on  04/02  at  06:14 PM

“Don’t be so untrusting.  I’m sure that officers only use tasers when they would rather use a gun.”

Hey, if you’re a really creative law enforcement professional, who says you have to use one or the other? 

Give ‘em 50,000 volts of American Justice and then shoot ‘em.  It’s a win-win…

Comment #33: MikeEss  on  04/02  at  06:37 PM

<blockquotes>Are there any countermeasures to a taser?</blockquotes>

Yes.  This:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykAYgsAwhoM

Comment #34: seeker6079  on  04/02  at  07:54 PM
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