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New phrase in the lexicon: “going birther”

When someone “goes birther”, that means they have given up their last thread attaching themselves to reality, and flinging themselves into full-on wingnut mode.  You can usually tell when someone has gone birther because they literally start spouting nonsense about how Obama’s birth certificate isn’t real, though many think they’re clever and employ euphemism to give themselves plausible deniability.  Until yesterday, most of the sane world would note that Sarah Palin wasn’t a full-blown lunatic because she still hadn’t gone birther.  Well, that day has now come.

As you will note, Palin maintained plausible deniability, suggesting that it should be looked into, without committing to a stance.  But looking into it is committing to a stance, because it’s been exhaustively examined, and proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Obama was born in a genuine American state.  Refusing to accept this is being a birther.  When a question has been answered so fully, way beyond the satisfaction of all non-nutty people, then to say there is a question at all is to side with the nuts. 

That Palin attempted to be dodgy does bring up a question, however: how much of a true believer is she? I detected a note of genuine impatience in her voice.  Perhaps as a denizen of Alaska, it occurs to her that she’s as much a citizen “in question” as Obama is.  (Which is to say not at all, but believe me, liberals should not refrain from pointing this out when wingnuts go birther on you.)  Perhaps she knows it’s bullshit, but she also knows that she’s the Queen of Bullshit, and so she has to represent on this issue.  Certainly, she’s trying to find a way to make her base of birthers happy while not excluding herself from the mainstream.  Good luck with that—-like creationists, you either are or aren’t a birther. 

The other thing that struck me about her interview was her contention that she didn’t go after Obama enough during the election, and namely, that avoiding the birther thing was a mistake.  I suppose she could have gone completely off the deep end during the campaign, and certainly it seems she wanted to but was held back by McCain, but good god, who in their right mind thinks she wasn’t enough on the attack?  She accused Obama, through implication, of being a terrorist.  She did so in a way that maximized the anti-Muslim insinuation, even though neither Barack Obama nor Bill Ayers (who is the excuse for this rumor-mongering) is Muslim, making the whole thing not only racist but incoherent.  She went out of her way to imply that anyone who was not white or lived in a city was not a Real American.  She red-baited Obama.  She did everything but tell jokes about his mom.  Her entire campaign strategy was to attack Obama.  I fail to see how she could have done more, honestly.  There aren’t enough hours in the day.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 11:33 AM • (74) Comments

Her constant whine about ‘08 is how the McCain campaign wouldn’t “let Sarah be Sarah,” isn’t it?  I’m betting there are untapped depths of crazy there that she has yet to plumb, and come the runup to 2012 she’s gonna drill, baby, drill!

My consolation here is that her campaign is very likely going to only address friendly outlets on the hardcore right, as she can’t handle journalistic pit bulls like (cough cough) Katie Couric.

Comment #1: damnedyankee  on  12/04  at  12:24 PM

*yawn*  Birthers were so last December.

Comment #2: Zifnab  on  12/04  at  12:24 PM

I didn’t click on the video because hearing Palin makes me physically ill, but the she-devil was actually born in Iowa.  A totally “real Amerikkkan” place according to the teabaggers.  (Despite the gay marriage)

Comment #3: gahblah  on  12/04  at  12:29 PM

Are you sure?  She makes such a big deal out of being a native Alaskan.  I checked Wikipedia, and it says she was born in Idaho.  Huh.

Comment #4: Amanda Marcotte  on  12/04  at  12:31 PM

Oops, sorry.  Got my “I” states mixed up.  But anyway, she was not born in Alaska.

Comment #5: gahblah  on  12/04  at  12:33 PM

Perhaps as a denizen of Alaska, it occurs to her that she’s as much a citizen “in question” as Obama is.

Not that either of their citizenship is in question among those who live in the reality-based world, but I did once tell a Palin-loving birther that Alaska was every bit as “foreign” as Hawaii.  But I later discovered that Bible Spice was actually born in Idaho, not Alaska.  Still, the point could be made that she’s not the genuine article when she touts her Alaskan roots.

Comment #6: DTG in STL  on  12/04  at  12:44 PM

I didn’t click on the video because hearing Palin makes me physically ill, but the she-devil was actually born in Iowa.

Close… Sarah Louis Heath was born in Sandpoint, Idaho - not Iowa.

No gay marriage in Idaho, but plenty of ski resorts and white supremacist militia types there.

Comment #7: DTG in STL  on  12/04  at  12:48 PM

I should have read ALL of the other comments before posting.

DOH!

Comment #8: DTG in STL  on  12/04  at  12:49 PM

You sure she didn’t make any jokes about Obama’s mom?  Cause last time I checked, the nuts on the right loooove talking about his mom and how she shacked up with a black man.

Comment #9: rowmyboat  on  12/04  at  12:50 PM

Part of me actually wants to see Sarah Palin succeed in claiming the 2012 GOP nomination.

I feel confident that even if the economy is still in shambles that there’s still just no way that a majority of the electorate would choose this idiot (she actually makes Dubya seem less stupid, if that’s even possible) to be the 45th President of the United States.

If she does get the Republican nomination and somehow miraculously manages to get elected president, well I guess I’ve finally got a reason to leave the country for real.

Comment #10: DTG in STL  on  12/04  at  01:01 PM

What kills me is that they don’t take into account how there was a newspaper announment of his birth and it’s impossible to fake that. Unless they believe in time travel.

Comment #11: pitbullgirl65  on  12/04  at  01:04 PM

I feel confident that even if the economy is still in shambles that there’s still just no way that a majority of the electorate would choose this idiot

You have more confidence in our people than I do.  Remember that we did actually elect W. Bush for real the second time.

Comment #12: bananacat  on  12/04  at  01:06 PM

So, I’m going to give Palin the benefit of the doubt - that she doesn’t actually believe this, but thought a “the birth certificate?  are you insane?” answer would alienate her potential voters.  Because pissing off the right has consequences, but pissing off the center and left seems repercussion-less.

Comment #13: micheyd  on  12/04  at  01:11 PM

What kills me is that they don’t take into account how there was a newspaper announment of his birth and it’s impossible to fake that. Unless they believe in time travel.

There are four possibilities besides time travel:

1) They think Obama’s family had some amazing insight that he would eventually be a presidential candidate, and so they had to do a massive cover-up from the very beginning.  However, these same family members somehow failed to use their amazing fortune-telling powers to predict when Obama would be born, so they didn’t bother to actually tell his mom not to travel to Kenya, and to just stay at home and give birth to him in America for realz.

2) They think it’s all a vast conspiracy involving many people, and someone at the newspaper company added it in recently as part of the hoax.

3) They are simply unaware that the newspaper announcement exists.

4) They know they’re wrong but are willing to lie to get what they want.

Comment #14: bananacat  on  12/04  at  01:15 PM

You sure she didn’t make any jokes about Obama’s mom?  Cause last time I checked, the nuts on the right loooove talking about his mom and how she shacked up with a black man.

I’m sure she probably has.  Just not anywhere in the presence of a microphone or a videocamera.  She’s an idiot, but not a total idiot, if that makes any sense.

The concept of dogwhistles were created specifically for the purpose of plausible deniability… it allows racists to express whatever racist sentiment they want with a wink while at the same time denying the implied racism of their comment, because it wasn’t explicit.  Referring to African-Americans as “Canadians” is an example of a dogwhistle.

In the case of many high-profile birthers (ie - wingnut media personalities, GOP congresspeople, conservative pundits), they are often the Lou Dobbs variety of birther, as Palin appears to be.  The Dobbs birther will say something like, “I’m not saying I think the president isn’t an American citizen, but you do have to wonder why he won’t just show us the darn birth certificate!”

Comment #15: DTG in STL  on  12/04  at  01:17 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHA*snort*HAHAHA.

*snort*giggle*

Oh, Sarah.  It’s a really, really bad idea to pander to the most extreme of your party even if it does get you pats on the head from your Repub overlords. 

But - I hate the leftist misogyny when it comes to everyone’s favourite right-wing target, because there’s just so much that isn’t sexist to laugh at.  Quit her term as governor?  Check.  Goes on about her and her daughter’s choice to give birth while actively trying to remove that choice from women?  Check.  Serious lack of understanding of how government works?  Check.  Not even passing knowledge of the Constitution?  Check.  Dishes it out but can’t take it?  Check.  No need to go after the stuff she can’t control.

Comment #16: attack_laurel  on  12/04  at  01:33 PM

...not that I’m saying this place is full of misogyny; it’s more that every article I read goes sexist sooner or later, as do most of the blogs.

Comment #17: attack_laurel  on  12/04  at  01:34 PM

For the Birther thing to be true, it would require a giant conspiracy between Obama, McCain, Biden, Palin, the Democratic Party, the GOP, the State of Illinois, State of Hawaii, Occidental College, Columbia University, Harvard University, and the media.  Even the 9/11 Truthers would have to think this is a bit far-fetched.

I personally like to throw “McCain is less of a citizen than Obama is” at the Birthers.  He was born in the PCZ.

Comment #18: bouj  on  12/04  at  01:36 PM

it could be argued that birther accusations are in fact veiled jokes at the expense of his mother, so she did that too. Non-veiled jokes about his mom were also made, just not by Palin. Yet. as soon as she sees an opportunity to win points with crazy people, I’m sure she’ll bust out the “Obama’s Mama is so…” jokes.

Comment #19: Keith  on  12/04  at  01:41 PM

“I feel confident that even if the economy is still in shambles that there’s still just no way that a majority of the electorate would choose this idiot

You have more confidence in our people than I do.  Remember that we did actually elect W. Bush for real the second time.”

Exactly.  Saying over and over “That could NEVER happen here!” is so last century.  It can happen, it has happened, and America is not immune to destructive Mussolini/Hitler/Lenin/Mao political urges, let alone immune from choosing total dumbfuck puppets to represent us…

Comment #20: MikeEss  on  12/04  at  01:43 PM

Well, she says she was born in Idaho.  For mine own self, I think she’s an alien.  I think she’s one of those “V” people.  How could anyone doubt that under that cheerleader exterior there lies a cold-blooded reptile?

Comment #21: Magis  on  12/04  at  01:57 PM

Oops, sorry.  Got my “I” states mixed up.

One of my favorite t-shirts ever says:

University of Iowa
Idaho City, Ohio

Comment #22: xebecs  on  12/04  at  02:15 PM

But - I hate the leftist misogyny when it comes to everyone’s favourite right-wing target, because there’s just so much that isn’t sexist to laugh at.  Quit her term as governor?  Check.  Goes on about her and her daughter’s choice to give birth while actively trying to remove that choice from women?  Check.  Serious lack of understanding of how government works?  Check.  Not even passing knowledge of the Constitution?  Check.  Dishes it out but can’t take it?  Check.  No need to go after the stuff she can’t control.

I agree that far too many on the left hop onto sexist tropes when attacking Palin (go read just about any DKos diary in which she’s the subject), but is it fair to say that the woman is an idiot?

That seems like a pretty gender-neutral insult, and one that I happily apply to male Republican idiots as well, such as our last president.

My belief that she’s an idiot has nothing to do with her gender… it has everything to do with the fact that she may be one of the most intellectually incurious national politicians I have ever seen.

The woman is a mean-spirited female version of Dan Quayle.

Comment #23: DTG in STL  on  12/04  at  02:17 PM

PALIN: I think it’s a fair question just like I think past associations and past voting records. All of that is fair game.

So it’s a perfectly fair question to point out that she associates with witch doctors and is married to a secessionist.  Check.

Comment #24: phylosopher  on  12/04  at  02:22 PM

Remember that we did actually elect W. Bush for real the second time.”

Actually, not so much if you look at what happened in Ohio.

Nevertheless, the underlying point of Americans being racist idiots is true.  The vote was close enough to steal, and that is damning.

There was a clip of people outside a Palin booksigning talking about how wonderful she is and how they want her to run for president.  Then they were asked what her positions were…and they were utterly clueless as to her positions and what the possible positions might be on any issue or why they might prefer any particular position ovver another.

She’s one of them, she could see Russia from her window, and she’s real.  She’ll do the right thing b/c she’s a Christian and not an educated elitist.

These worthless idiots vote.  They have no idea what the Constitution says nor what the Republic stands for, yet they vote.  And they want Bible Spice.

Our only hope is that they seem to be <29% of the population, but that number is still too large for a functional democratic republic.  We need to invest in education BIG TIME.

Comment #25: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  12/04  at  02:22 PM

We need to invest in education BIG TIME.

As I’ve said repeatedly.  The greatest enemy of exploiters of ignorance like Palin is knowledge.

Comment #26: liberalrob  on  12/04  at  02:40 PM

ANd what’s the beancounter in Indiana doing - not My man Mitch wants to cut $150 million from higher ed, at a time of record enrollment.  reTHUGlican idiot.

Comment #27: phylosopher  on  12/04  at  02:44 PM

and then there’s this:
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/faith/2009/12/sarah_palin_christian_zionist.html

Your take, Amanda?

Comment #28: phylosopher  on  12/04  at  03:00 PM

“Perhaps as a denizen of Alaska, it occurs to her that she’s as much a citizen ‘in question’ as Obama is.”

I doubt it. Hawaii is a land of frivolity and excess, and doesn’t count as being real America anymore than New Orleans does. Alaska is actually more American than ... well ... America. It’s like the elephant’s graveyard of militant yahoos.

I think the new breed of theocratic hyper-conservative views Alaska (and Texas, but why pull cheap shots?) as a sort of satellite civilization, republican colonies that will one day come back and save the union from all these damn kids. In that sense, I think Palin is probably going to bank on being from a land “in question.”  With a wink and a nod, she’ll say that she’s not just from America, she’s from the OTHER America. You know, the one that’s more real than the real one.

Comment #29: joshuarupp  on  12/04  at  03:14 PM

I rather doubt that Caribou Barbie is a True Believer in anything, except Caribou Barbie.

She’s a card-carrying Narcissist, so of course she was issued her very own Narcissist Fairy. What’s a Narcissist Fairy, you ask? Well, she’s kinda like a Guardian Angel, only she perches inside your head and whispers advice day and night about how to turn any given experience or interaction to your own maximal advantage.

If you look real close during these interviews, you can almost detect Palin do a little pause and squint as she ponders the question. That’s her listening to her Narcissist Fairy.

Comment #30: Joe Bleau  on  12/04  at  03:17 PM

Actually. phylosopher, she associates with WITCH HUNTERS and secessionists. Much more damning.
The “Pro-Family, Pro-Baby” candidate gets moral advice from people who encourage other people to hang 6 year olds in barbed wire nooses and drive nailss into the heads of toddlers.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8119201.stm

Comment #31: Angelia Sparrow  on  12/04  at  03:19 PM

Is there really a question that Obama’s mom was an American citizen? Because it doesn’t matter a damn WHERE he was born as long as either of his parents was a citizen at the time of his birth.

Comment #32: Lymis  on  12/04  at  03:23 PM

@#23:

Idiot is fine with me, because it’s an excellent description of her.  “Asshole” come to mind, too.  It’s just the “snort snort hur, GURL” insults that bug me - because they actually distract from the serious things that really are bothersome, such as her lack of understanding of anything except attack politics.

Let the Repubs get on the misogyny bus (after all, once the campaign was over, did you see how they dissed her?  They were ruthless) and let us point out her sheer awfulness as a potential leader of our country.

She’s Glenn Beck without the keen intellectual nuance.  *eye roll*

Comment #33: attack_laurel  on  12/04  at  03:34 PM

“Is there really a question that Obama’s mom was an American citizen?”

...of course there is!  After all, no self-respecting, God-fearing, Real American Woman™ would have married, however briefly, a Mooslim African from Kenya.  It isn’t done!  Besides, her name was “Stanley Ann Dunham”, and since “Stanley” is a man’s name, this proves that “she” was a transexual and therefore incapable of bearing children!  Ha!

Therefore, her status as an American is every bit as much in doubt as that of “her” son (who we know is actually the love child of Idi Amin and Frau Farbissina…)

Comment #34: MikeEss  on  12/04  at  03:39 PM

Rush allows women to speak during his precious airtime? 

You learn something every day.

Comment #35: bomberE  on  12/04  at  03:52 PM

it doesn’t matter a damn WHERE he was born as long as either of his parents was a citizen at the time of his birth.

That’s generally true, but it’s a matter of statute, not constitution, and there is a long. complicated argument that if Obama was born outside the US,  he fell within an odd loophole. (Basically, there’s a residency requirement for the citizen parent, which Obama’s mother couldn’t meet, becasue she was too young when he was born). Fortunately, he was born inside the US, and therefore (per the 14th amendment) is a citizen, regardless.

Comment #36: rea  on  12/04  at  04:00 PM

I’m beginning to believe more than ever that Palin has no intention of running for POTUS in 2012.

The fact that she is charging fans $16 a pop for personal photos on her book tour (to me) demonstrates that she’s having way too much fun cashing in at the till.

As for whether Palin is a birther or not, I truly don’t care, as I give her as much credibility on any given topic (e.g. Obama’s birthplace, the economy, Saturday morning cartoons, etc) as anyone with the last name “Cheney.”

Comment #37: CHV  on  12/04  at  04:04 PM

The fact that she is charging fans $16 a pop for personal photos on her book tour (to me) demonstrates that she’s having way too much fun cashing in at the till.

Depending on how she plays it, she could absolutely bank as a GOP front runner.  People running around funneling money to her via fund raising.  People waving her picture and chanting her name and inviting her on all sorts of talk shows, setting her up in posh hotels and serving her at the finest restaurants.

She’d get the Giuliani Treatment and probably wouldn’t do better than the Thompson numbers.

Comment #38: Zifnab  on  12/04  at  04:20 PM

“Our only hope is that they seem to be <29% of the population”

There’s that and I don’t care how mean this sounds, there is also attrition. Take a good long look at the folks who show up for Palin book signings and Klan rallies against health care in DC—they are well over 50. Their numbers are shrinking due to having heart attacks on the National Mall and having to be cared for by taxpayer funded Capitol EMT’s and things like that.

Comment #39: DC Fem  on  12/04  at  04:20 PM

Zifnab @ 38:

People waving her picture and chanting her name and inviting her on all sorts of talk shows, setting her up in posh hotels and serving her at the finest restaurants.

Yeah, but if Palin truly intends to run in ‘12, and indulges too much in special favors there’s a risk of her losing her populist image if she suddenly begins crashing in five-stars, and eating at restaurants that no “Joe Sixpack” could possibly afford.

Comment #40: CHV  on  12/04  at  04:36 PM

You have more confidence in our people than I do.  Remember that we did actually elect W. Bush for real the second time.

I really believe that personality is more important in presidential elections than almost anything else.  Bush was likable, Kerry was not.  When she’s not whipping up the base into a frenzy, I think Palin really lacks emotional intelligence.  Just this morning, I was thinking about the VP debates where Biden choked up and Palin clearly had no idea how to handle it.  Even just flashing him a sympathetic look would have sufficed, but she just stood there.  She can neither do Clinton’s “I feel your pain” emoting nor Bush’s jovial frat boy shtick.  Meanwhile Obama is very good at connecting with people.

I think she’s one of those “V” people.  How could anyone doubt that under that cheerleader exterior there lies a cold-blooded reptile?

No way she’s Machiavellian enough.  She’d just invade Earth flat out or make the mistake of eating a live hamster on national television.

Comment #41: keshmeshi  on  12/04  at  04:37 PM

Yeah, but if Palin truly intends to run in ‘12, and indulges too much in special favors there’s a risk of her losing her populist image if she suddenly begins crashing in five-stars, and eating at restaurants that no “Joe Sixpack” could possibly afford.

A risk of losing her populist image?  HA!  If she’s getting the high roller treatment from the party and the lobbies, the media will be spit-shinning her image right up until election day in New Hampshire.

Bush had a folksy populist “guy you’d like to have a beer with” image.  David Vitter bundles himself as a devote Catholic.  Mitt Romney was everyone’s small business uncle during his run.  Every politician is a “man of the people” when running for reelection.  And the image is never, ever questioned except by opponents’ attack ads.

If Sarah Palin loses her populist image, it’ll be because she’s been abandoned to the wolves.  At which point the invitations will have stopped flowing anyway.

Comment #42: Zifnab  on  12/04  at  06:57 PM

Rush allows women to speak during his precious airtime?

You learn something every day.

She’s cool, though. She’s not one of those women.

Comment #43: Jeff  on  12/04  at  07:03 PM

Yeah, but if Palin truly intends to run in ‘12, and indulges too much in special favors there’s a risk of her losing her populist image if she suddenly begins crashing in five-stars, and eating at restaurants that no “Joe Sixpack” could possibly afford.

There’s a perverse mindset at work with the sort of Know-Nothing who supports Palin, though. One aspect is the well-known phenomenon of peasant hatred for one of their own who gains celebrity—sooner or later the celeb is “caught” living the five-star life, and is raked over the coals for “getting above himself” or “not keeping it real.”

The second aspect, and the one applicable here, is their indulgence of any aristocratic celebrity who acts like them and panders to their sensibilities when addressing them directly. Prince Bush is the classic example—5-star all the way, but they were willing to “forgive” him because he spoke and acted like a hick in his speeches and interviews.

It’s the result of sequential thinking—the Know-Nothing looks at the celebrity (an aspirational figure) as he presents himself in the moment, with no understanding of context or history or cause-and-effect.

Comment #44: Gracchus.  on  12/04  at  07:07 PM

Meanwhile Obama is very good at connecting with people.

Except, of course, for people who don’t like black people—the kind of racists who make up a large part of Palin’s Know-Nothing base.

Comment #45: Gracchus.  on  12/04  at  07:12 PM

Gracchus @ 44:

Prince Bush is the classic example—5-star all the way, but they were willing to “forgive” him because he spoke and acted like a hick in his speeches and interviews.

Understood, but there’s a key difference between Palin and Bush here: unlike the latter, Palin was not born into wealth and privilege.

So as much as I dislike her politics and lazy ethics, I have to give Palin credit for getting to where she is in life today without riding her daddy’s back as Dubya did.

Comment #46: CHV  on  12/04  at  07:34 PM

Yeah, but if Palin truly intends to run in ‘12, and indulges too much in special favors there’s a risk of her losing her populist image if she suddenly begins crashing in five-stars, and eating at restaurants that no “Joe Sixpack” could possibly afford.

Really?  Don’t the vast majority of all Republican politicians, conservative pundits, and everyone else worshiped by the Real True Americans already do all this? 

Keep in mind that McCain owns twelve homes.  George W. Bush was legacy at Yale, has an MBA from Harvard, and his previous career before getting into politics was owning baseball teams. 

Joe Sixpack has a remarkable ability not to allow themselves to know this stuff.  I’m sure the same will go for Palin.

Comment #47: The Opoponax  on  12/04  at  07:58 PM

Referring to African-Americans as “Canadians” is an example of a dogwhistle.

Excuse my ignorance, but what’s this one about? I can’t figure it out to save my life… is this about healthcare? Clearly it is too high-pitched for my liberal ears.

Comment #48: Bagelsan  on  12/04  at  09:01 PM

Keep in mind that McCain owns twelve homes.

True, but the 29%ers didn’t really like John McCain.  He wasn’t “one of them”.

Both Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter had branded McCain as the worst possible choice for Republicans from the get go during the primaries, and Coulter went as far as saying that she would support Hillary clinton over John McCain.

The only reason his campaign gained any traction at all for a brief period in early September 2008 is BECAUSE of Sarah Palin… the thousands of people who started attending McCain-Palin rallies after the RNC convention were there to see their Sarah, not McCain.  The crowds at those rallies would often thin out considerably after she was finished bleating about domestic terrorists once McCain would take the microphone.  And the rallies where she wasn’t present continued to be duds.

It’s hard to gauge the precise impact Palin had on his campaign, because the only period in which he was leading Obama in the polls was for a few days after the RNC convention, just after she was announced as his running mate.  On the one hand, I think she definitely helped infuse enthusiasm into a campaign that was thoroughly lacking in any of it.  On the other hand, she arguably drove away a huge number of moderate centrists who were still undecided before she entered the picture.

She’s absolutely adored by her base… problem is, the other 70% of America really doesn’t like her at all.

Comment #49: DTG in STL  on  12/04  at  09:31 PM

Except, of course, for people who don’t like black people—the kind of racists who make up a large part of Palin’s Know-Nothing base.

Well, DTG already beat me to it, but the rest of the country varies between being skeptical of her and outright hating her.  I think she can only win over centrist white men at this point (with enough winks and enough evasion of questions to avoid showing off her stupidity) and, as Obama proved, centrist white male voters are no longer quite enough to win nationwide elections.

Comment #50: keshmeshi  on  12/04  at  09:34 PM

Referring to African-Americans as “Canadians” is an example of a dogwhistle.

Excuse my ignorance, but what’s this one about? I can’t figure it out to save my life… is this about healthcare? Clearly it is too high-pitched for my liberal ears.

I don’t really know the origin of that particular dogwhistle, but it long precedes the healthcare debate.  As a restaurant server more than a decade ago, I had a coworker who used the term frequently… he would make asshat comments to the host like, “Why did you give me two tables of Canadians?  Now I’m not gonna make any money tonight!”  We all knew the dude was a racist douche, and we all knew exactly what he meant when he said “Canadians”.

Comment #51: DTG in STL  on  12/04  at  09:35 PM

Just found this article on a Canadian news site about the use of the word “Canadian” as a derogatory racial slur against African-Americans:

In some parts of the U.S. the word “Canadian” has ugly connotations ... and not because we refused to join the war in Iraq.

In the south, “Canadian” is a racial slur referring to African-Americans. The term has its roots in the word Canuck, says an expert.

“Canuck, that very same term of endearment Canadians use now,” was used by racist southern Americans to insult French Canadians with dark skins, said Stefan Dollinger, editor in chief of Dictionary of Canadianisms on Historical Principles. Over time, we gave the word Canuck a totally different spin and it now refers to any Canadian, he said.

“In the U.S. some people still use Canuck as a slur,” said Dollinger, who is also the director of the University of British Columbia’s Canadian English lab.

Internet message-board posters have been discussing the issue of southern Americans using the word Canadian to replace racial epithets for black people.

A Texas district attorney got into trouble and have left others wondering what exactly it means when he used the word “Canadians” to describe blacks on a jury.

In an e-mail to a junior prosecutor, district attorney Mike Trent wrote: “He overcame a subversively good defence by Matt Hennessey that has some Canadians on the jury feeling sorry for the defendant and forced them to do the right thing.”

Reports indicated there were no Canadians, but a number of black people.

“Never heard of that here in Edmonton,” said Michael Broodhagen, local chapter president of the National Black Coalition of Canada Society.

Kind of sick that the term has been used by an actual district attorney to describe black jurors.

Comment #52: DTG in STL  on  12/04  at  09:45 PM

There are many, many criticisms one can fairly make of Sarah Palin, but in this comment, the issue that springs to mind is that she has never provided Trig’s birth certificate and there is in fact no proof that she gave birth to him.  People, check out The Immoral Minority and www.palindeception.blogspot.com.  Lots of questions about her bizarre story of pregnancy and no proof that she gave birth.  Pictures comparing her size with actual pregnant women at a similar time during their pregnancy.  A doctor who shows up with an attorney, refuses to say anything about the birth and then disappears. Palin herself claims her water broke in Texas and yet she traveled 12 hours to give birth in Alaska, despite the fact that she claims to have known that her baby had Down’s Syndrome with its high risk of cardiac anomalies, she says she had two previous “miscarriages,” she was a grand multip, and she was in premature labor… oddly, the flight attendants didn’t notice her stage of pregnancy (although they check everyone’s seat belt and would certainly noticed a pregnant belly).  Why, under those circumstances, would you bypass hospitals with Neonatal ICUs in Dallas and Seattle and the ONLY NICU in Alaska, to travel by road an additional hour to a small semirural medical center that has no NICU facilities and won’t even do twin births?

When rumors came out that Obama was not American, his birth certificate was released promptly, examined, vouched for by Republicans in Hawaii, and the matter, aside from some crazies, put to rest.  When the rumor hit blogs that Sarah hadn’t given birth to her youngest… The McCain campaign released a statement saying that her daughter Bristol was pregnant.  Think of that. She could have made an announcement, she could have asked for a statement from her doctor, she could have asked for a statement from the hospital administrators… and she announces her daughter’s pregnancy instead, serving to distract the MSM.

She hasn’t proven she gave birth because she can’t.  She used baby Trig to establish her prolife credentials so that the far right Christianists would support her. She announced her “pregnancy” the day after McCain announced his run, and at that point,she’d already announced at a Republican Governor’s Conference that she was interested in the VP slot. And when she said she was pregnant, everyone in Alaska was astonished, even the people who worked with her daily, because she didn’t look pregnant in the least. (And AFTER she said she was pregnant, then she started wearing camouflage clothes: drapey scarves and loose tops and open jackets and suchlike. Why hide an announced pregnancy?)

No: there are lots of extremely peculiar circumstances about her Trig pregnancy.  We should be askiing why she hasn’t bothered to prove it, since she claims to be so offended that people don’t believe her.

Comment #53: Ivyfree  on  12/04  at  10:03 PM

There are many, many criticisms one can fairly make of Sarah Palin, but in this comment, the issue that springs to mind is that she has never provided Trig’s birth certificate and there is in fact no proof that she gave birth to him.

1.  This is ridiculous and weird.

2.  Even if Trig Palin wasn’t Sarah Palin’s son (I have no doubt that he is), this matters why?


There’s more than enough dirt about Sarah Palin out there that we know to be true to have to resort to this silliness.  Why waste energy getting caught up in crackpot conspiracy theories and making ourselves look as ridiculous as the Birthers?

Comment #54: DTG in STL  on  12/04  at  10:54 PM

Well, first, it’s not a crackpot theory.  I suspect you haven’t looked at the evidence. Again, check out www.immoralminority.blogspot.com and www.palindeception.blogspot.com- also palingates.  Look at the pictures. Read the evidence. 

The fear of looking ridiculous and weird protects her.  Nobody really wants to speak up, but now she’s on record with a lie about having released Trig’s birth certificate, and saying that people should ask questions- so it’s time to start pushing her on it.  She has actually never released any medical records. 

I’ve concluded long since that either people understand on a visceral level why it’s wrong to co-opt another woman’s pregnancy and use a special-needs infant to garner votes - or they don’t.  There doesn’t seem to be any real way to convince them. However, when people look at the evidence, they usually figure out that there’s something very strange there.  So I’m pointing out that this might be a good idea, rather than just rejecting it out of hand, since Palin still has ambitions.  That is ultimately the concern: she is still ambitious.

Comment #55: Ivyfree  on  12/05  at  02:11 AM

I’ve concluded long since that either people understand on a visceral level why it’s wrong to co-opt another woman’s pregnancy and use a special-needs infant to garner votes

I agree, it would be very wrong to use someone else’s special needs child to garner votes.  Hell, I think it’s pretty wrong to use one’s own special needs child to garner votes, which Palin clearly did.

The problem with that aspect of your theory is that you don’t seem to have a basic understanding of the Gregorian calendar.

See, I don’t think Sarah Palin was too concerned about garnering any votes until the final weekend of August 2008, when she was chosen by the McCain Campaign to be his running mate.  Prior to that, she was just another wingnut Republican governor, barely on anyone’s radar screen.  95% of America had never even heard of the woman before she bacame McCain’s running mate.

The theory gets a pretty big hole blown into it once you consider the fact that she had custody of Trig Palin FOUR MONTHS before she became the freaking VP nominee.  And since she was only 16 months into a four year term as governor of Alaska at the time she had Trig, I think it’s beyond absurd to believe that she would have actually pulled a stunt like this to try to win a gubernatorial re-election campaign that was more than 2.5 years down the road.

Are you seriously suggesting that Sarah Palin took someone else’s special needs child in April 2008 as a means of trying to convince the McCain Campaign to choose her as his running mate four months later in August 2008 and then using that child as a campaign prop to try to garner votes?  I don’t dispute that she did wind up using Trig as a campaign prop, I dispute the theory that she would adopt him solely for that purpose at a time when she would have had absolutely no idea that she was going to become the 2008 Republican vice-presidential nominee 4 months later.

Anyway, if that’s actually your theory, well… wow.  Just wow.

If all progressives actually believed shit like that, the derogatory slur “loony left” would be entirely appropriate.

Comment #56: DTG in STL  on  12/05  at  07:37 AM

Sarah Palin took someone else’s special needs child in April 2008

If it was her daughters’, then she’d be far from the first mother to do so, and it wouldn’t require a foreknowledge of her VP nomination,  just a desire to dodge the scandal of her daughter having a child out of wedlock, special needs or not, regardless of how soon she’s up for re-election or any other ambitions she may have had lurking in her heart at that time.

Comment #57: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  12/05  at  11:11 AM

Both Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter had branded McCain as the worst possible choice for Republicans from the get go during the primaries, and Coulter went as far as saying that she would support Hillary clinton over John McCain.

And yet Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter are great examples of conservative pundits who are “5-star all the way” as someone upthread put it.  And their base still worship them.  Coulter doesn’t work the “folksy” angle much, but people like Rush in exactly the same way they like Bush or Palin.  They have a remarkable talent for not getting that Rush Limbaugh is extremely wealthy and does all the shit they tar “Librul Elites” with.

Comment #58: The Opoponax  on  12/05  at  12:10 PM

If she’s delusional enough to think that more vicious attacks on Obama is what will win for her next time, assuming she’s planning for a next time, then please, Dog, let her get the Republican nomination.

Comment #59: digitusmedius  on  12/05  at  01:14 PM

They have a remarkable talent for not getting that Rush Limbaugh is extremely wealthy and does all the shit they tar “Librul Elites” with.

For them being “elite” doesn’t have to do with wealth, it’s all about your cultural attitudes. I live in a one-bedroom apartment and drive a Ford Focus, while Limbaugh has a private jet, several Bentleys, and lives in a Florida mansion you could park a tractor trailer inside, but no matter—I’m “elite” because I do weird things like live downtown, vote Democratic, have gay friends, and drink beer that’s not from Bud, Miller, or Coors, etc., insert trope here.

Comment #60: Ben D.  on  12/05  at  03:45 PM

If you want another example, witness Mitt Romney at the RNC convention last year:

Here was the son of a wealthy auto executive and former governor, a man who was educated at Harvard, who grew up in the lap of wealth, luxury, and privilege, who took expensive vacations to France while he was in his early 20s, who had about ten houses IIRC, who was Governor of Massachusetts of all places. Yet he stood up there at the podium, with a perfectly straight face, and talked about how “eastern elites[!!]” had ruined the country.

Or Giuliani, who was mayor of New York City for fucks sake, talking about how great small towns are and how people in big cities are snooty and elitist.

Comment #61: Ben D.  on  12/05  at  03:50 PM

Sarah Palin took someone else’s special needs child in April 2008

If it was her daughters’, then she’d be far from the first mother to do so, and it wouldn’t require a foreknowledge of her VP nomination, just a desire to dodge the scandal of her daughter having a child out of wedlock, special needs or not, regardless of how soon she’s up for re-election or any other ambitions she may have had lurking in her heart at that time.

If it was her daughter’s, then it was a biological miracle.

Trig Palin was born in mid-April 2008.
Tripp Palin was born in mid-December 2008.

Not many women are able to give birth to a child, immediately get pregnant again, and give birth to another child only 8 months later.

Comment #62: DTG in STL  on  12/05  at  04:06 PM

Not many women are able to give birth to a child, immediately get pregnant again, and give birth to another child only 8 months later.

I had 2 grandaunts who were “Irish twins”, and years ago Mother Avenger employed a Hispanic woman who had not just one, but several sets of Irish twins among her siblings.

Of course, it should be remembered that this was back in the day when my great-grandfather(who, by all accounts was a real bastard) would have conjugal visits when great-grandmother was in hospital after giving birth to what eventually were 16 siblings and Grandfather Monk.

Don’t underestimate the quirks of human biology:

well, a friend of mine got pregnant immediately after giving birth without getting her period back. it happens. It’s probably a little easier to get pregnant if you’re preventing pregnancy after having a baby because you haven’t had a normal ovulation cycle to follow.

Link

And yah know what?  All she has to do is produce a birth certificate for the little tyke, thereby demonstrating who is and isn’t on the “Looney Left”.

Comment #63: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  12/05  at  04:55 PM

Well, whatever…

I think people who give credence to the “Trig Palin is not Sarah’s baby” theory are very much as whacky as birthers.  Not racist and mean-spirited like the birthers, but definitely delusional in their thinking like the birthers.

And if you fall into that group, well, sorry, but I think you’re delusional.  I’m gonna go on believing what the vast majority of people believe… that Trig Palin is Sarah Palin’s son.  And fortunately, I have confidence that no serious candidate who opposes her will attempt to go down that road, because it’s fucking ridiculous.

Comment #64: DTG in STL  on  12/05  at  05:34 PM

By the way, the whole “Sarah hasn’t shown us his birth certificate” nonsense is as much as horseshit as demanding to see the original copy of Barack Obama’s “vault copy” birth certificate or whatever.

The burden to prove that Trig Palin is NOT Sarah palin’s son lies wholly on those who promote that theory.  If they want that proposition to be taken seriously, they must produce proof that she isn’t the boy’s mother, not the other way around.  We’ve never demanded any other politician produce a birth certificate of a child to prove that it is their own child, I think it’s pretty fucked up that we would do so now, even if it is with a politician that most of us find extremely disagreeable as a person.

Comment #65: DTG in STL  on  12/05  at  05:39 PM

Final point… the reason why this issue bothers me is that because when we promote this sort of nonsense, we reduce our ability to criticize Republicans who promote similarly ridiculous theories.  Why?  Because this is a crackpot theory.

Most Americans accept that Trig Palin is Sarah Palin’s son.  Most Americans think you are a bit crazy if you say that he isn’t.  Just as most Americans accept that Barack Obama is a natural-born U.S. citizen, and look at you like you’re a bit crazy if you say otherwise.  When progressives start pushing this sort of tripe, and then complain about the ridiculousness of the Birthers, we open ourselves up to have people say, “both sides do it!” and then point to our Trig Palin conspiracy theories as evidence.

Comment #66: DTG in STL  on  12/05  at  05:45 PM

Not my own theory, but one someone has brought up before: it’s possible that Sarah Palin was too pro-life to abort a fetus with Down Syndrome, but if Palin had a stillbirth with her high-risk pregnancy during or after her trip from Dallas to her own obstetrician in Alaska, it would have been “God’s will.”

I don’t care whether Trig is Sarah’s child or not. I assume he is. I assume all people are presenting their families as their own (birth or adopted) unless some story of baby-in-a-basket or child kidnapping comes out. I do think we make ourselves look as silly as those on the right demanding some long-form or other birth certificate for Barack Obama II. Palin doesn’t owe us her child’s birth certificate. Trig isn’t running for office. If there were some sort of question about Sarah’s citizenship, she could be asked to produce her own. I think it was legitimate for Obama to be asked ONCE to prove his citizenship; I had to prove mine to get a passport. But once the state of Hawaii sent a copy, and especially after a newspaper announcement was unearthed, that should have been the end of it. Anyone who keeps asking is going to have trouble arguing that he or she is not a racist questioning the legitimacy of having a person of African descent serve as president. Is anyone claiming in retrospect that perhaps Woodrow Wilson was an illegitimate president since his mother was British? Or how about Andrew Jackson, son of two Irish immigrants?

Palin isn’t the first and certainly won’t be the last politician to use her family in attempt to get elected or otherwise be seen sympathetically. My personal favorite was the Santorum children crying when their father lost his Senate seat to Bob Casey. Democrats aren’t immune either. Remember those cute preschoolers John Edwards trotted out in 2004?

Comment #67: one jewish dyke  on  12/05  at  06:06 PM

The mother might just as easily have been Todd Palin’s mistress, whose child was taken in by the family to avoid a political scandal.

The child might just has easily have been left on their doorstep by Michael Jackson, after which they decided to pretend it was Sarah’s because they had been high as kites for the past nine months and couldn’t remember what happened.  And Obama’s mom could just as easily have bribed the right officials to forge a birth certificate and a birth record in a Hawaiian paper.  And JFK could just as easily have been shot from the grassy knoll by Ringo Starr who then got away in the Batmobile with accomplice: Sasquatch.

These positions are equally well-supported, so let’s all just focus on the fact that she’s a fucking horrible person, ok?

Comment #68: Alex, FCD  on  12/05  at  06:07 PM

Oh, and there are women who barely show even late in pregnancy. Or am I the only one who spends too much time watching TLC’s “I didn’t know I was pregnant” shows? Palin has done enough documented wacko things that we don’t have to make up new and misogynist ones. If a male governor, tapped for a VP nomination, had an infant at home plus a son who was about to become a teen father, would we even hear about the babies beyond what a good father and grandfather the governor was? Simply for living in a home with his children?

Comment #69: one jewish dyke  on  12/05  at  06:18 PM

Sarah Palin isn’t one of them. She gets huge when she’s pregnant.

It can vary from pregnancy to pregnancy.

Hey, how about when she wanted to charge victims of rape a fee to process their evidence?  How about that, huh?  Can we please talk about that instead?  Or anything else, for that matter?

Comment #70: Alex, FCD  on  12/06  at  02:03 AM

The burden to prove that Trig Palin is NOT Sarah palin’s son lies wholly on those who promote that theory.

Agreed, and that burden has been amply met.

A photograph in which she doesn’t look how you believe she is supposed to look constitutes “ample proof”?

Are you fucking serious?  Please, don’t ever attempt to practice law, you’ll fail miserably.

You are delusional.

Comment #71: DTG in STL  on  12/06  at  07:40 AM

I’m going to go into the “Who cares, let’s stop talking about this” camp.  Trig is her son now, no matter how he got there.

She’s still a detestably human being, and a worse politician.

Comment #72: Antigone  on  12/06  at  04:59 PM

To put any credence in that story, on the basis of nothing but Palin’s say-so, is delusional. Why would this be the one single thing she tells the truth about, DTG?

You’re right, she probably is lying about her hair color, too.

She’s probably also lying when she tells us that she’s the mother of any of her children.

Hell, the fact she tells us that she’s a woman?  Total BS.  Clearly she’s not female.

Because EVERYTHING, I mean literally EVERYTHING that she syas is an unequivocal lie.

Comment #73: DTG in STL  on  12/06  at  05:37 PM

DTG, frankly I haven’t got the slightest idea what you’re trying to say. Sarah Palin is a woman, therefore she’s without a doubt the mother of Trig? What?

No, you blithering idiot.

You said:

Why would this be the one single thing she tells the truth about, DTG?

The implication of that statement is that literally everything she says is a lie.  One of the many things she claims s that she is a woman.  But according to you, since absolutely nothing she says can possibly true, therefore any claims that she makes that she is in fact a woman must also be a lie.

It’s called hyperbole, tool.

And if you think one thread at Pandagon somehow does damage to progressivism as a whole, you have a deranged, inflated sense of self-importance.

I never said that, either.  I said that continuing to feed this meme makes progressives look idiotic and delusional.  Because it does.

We’re not getting anywhere on this.  Keep wasting your time theorizing about something that nobody cares about, that will never be “investigated”, and that you’ll never have anything other than your silly theories to pontificate on.

It’s done.  Whether you accept it or not, the official story will always be that Trig Palin is the son of Sarah Palin.  You can spin your wheels bleating “The truth is out there!”, or you can spend time doing more constructive things.  Frankly, I think it’s about as silly as the idiots who continue to theorize that Neil Armstrong’s moon landing was staged in a TV studio.

But do what you want, I don’t care.  If telling yourself that there is some massive cover-up to hide the real mother of Trig Palin makes you feel better about yourself, then keep on keepin’ on with that silliness.

Comment #74: DTG in STL  on  12/08  at  11:59 AM
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