Scientists attempt to find out if the G-spot is real.
By asking women if they believed they had one.
So this is what happens when anti-global warming activists branch out into other areas of science…
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Ah, you’re late.
Amanda already discussed this.
They concluded it should now be called Schrodener’s-Spot.
It both exists and doesn’t exist at the same time and the act of observing it changes it.
1. Screw the survey. I’m impressed with the French guys who did an actual, physiological exam of women during the act itself to find empirical data.
2. Trust French guys to do a study of women during the act itself to find empirical data.
3. I want in on the French guys’ study.
I’m really starting to dislike the word “Scientists”. It easily makes frauds look good or legitimate hard-working scientists look bad.
“Why is all research on female sexuality so squeamish?”
If Bonk did not lie to me, part of the tapdancing around sex studies is because IRBs really like to flip out and accuse everybody in their line of sight of being a giant lawsuit-inducing perv who’s not getting any more money when they’re proposed.
cynickal: HA!
Sex research: fucking hilarious and full of hilarious fucking.
I’m just amazed that none of the scientists involved in this took a minute to think that maybe when women say they don’t have a g-spot, maybe they have one and just haven’t found it. It’s probable that some women have it and some don’t, but for those who do have one, it can take years and years and things other than a penis to find it.
I don’t think the scientists believed they were settling the question for once and for all, and a lot of the criticism directed against the researchers should in fact be aimed at the media figures mis-reporting their work.
They were just collecting a data point - well, ma’am, do you think you have one? That doesn’t settle the issue, but it’s good data to collect. (I know, crazy, asking women about their own experiences.)
#4: I see your xkcd comic, and raise you Semisonic’s Chemistry.
Yeah, this is equivalent to sending a questionnaire to men asking whether or not they enjoy having their balls tickled, and based on mixed results, stating that it’s questionable whether the scrotum exists. How about looking for a bundle of nerves in the right area? If it’s there, then the spot exists, regardless of whether an individual enjoys stimulation there or not.
I’m just amazed that none of the scientists involved in this took a minute to think that maybe when women say they don’t have a g-spot, maybe they have one and just haven’t found it.
Don’t assume that those who haven’t found it haven’t looked. That was my whole point of saying that calling it a “spot”—-and distracting from the more important fact that some women like their feet tickled, some their vaginas—-creates this narrative where women who don’t enjoy that stimulation are sexually inferior, perhaps prudes who haven’t looked because of their hang-ups, and need to relax and WORK HARDER. Nonsense, I say.
Really, more than just calling it a spot, but bundling up the insinuation that it’s a very specific thing like the clitoris or the penis, instead of the most likely explanation, which is that it’s an unusually sensitive area of the vagina, but certainly not a separate organ.
Or even just, “every woman’s vagina is different and many women have varying sensitivity in various parts, and one of the places where a lot of women report sensitivity is here - beyond that, you’ll have to figure out for yourselves, folks”.
G-spot? Oh, you mean that area where my lover’s fingers go and I lose my f-ng mind and my arms and legs go tingly and I spray stuff?
Call it what you will, it works pretty nice for me.
Oh, and that spraying stuff is for real and is connected to stimulation in a specific area. Don’t tell me that isn’t somehow a matter of structural biology!
Oh, and that spraying stuff is for real and is connected to stimulation in a specific area. Don’t tell me that isn’t somehow a matter of structural biology!
I can’t wait to hear these guys’ study on female ejaculation.
some kind of hidden treasure that leads to orgasm from the penis alone
Because an orgasm only counts for half marks if it wasn’t induced by a penis? I mean, what?
I wonder if the reason these folks didn’t do the research they’re claimed to have done, but contented themselves instead with asking questions, is because they seem to be psychologists doing psychological research. In that context the actual presence or absence of a “G-spot” structure is probably pretty secondary to whether people think they have one or not, and how that perception might correlate with their ability to experience orgasm solely thanks to the grace of the magic penis.
I can’t wait to hear these guys’ study on female ejaculation.
I think the XKCD comic covers that too.
Don’t assume that those who haven’t found it haven’t looked.
I never assumed that. Geez, is it really so hard to believe that some women might have it and some don’t, and that many who do have it just haven’t found it yet? It’s not about working hard or relaxation or even intimacy. For some women it’s easier to find than for others. But certainly just because a woman hasn’t found it doesn’t me she doesn’t have one. If you had asked me 10 years ago if I had one, I would have said no. Then I found it. Does that mean that it simply didn’t exist until I found it? Of course it doesn’t. I never meant to suggest that women who don’t have one or can’t find one are defective or lazy or prudish or not trying enough. But it is probable that some women have one and don’t know it. It doesn’t reflect poorly on them or their various partners, and I never suggested that it does. It’s just silly to base the existence of something on whether or not all people can find it.
some kind of hidden treasure that leads to orgasm from the penis alone
Except for the problem that penises are probably the worst way to have a g-spot orgasm. I never knew about it until I got a dildo that is not shaped like any human penis, and after I found it, curved fingers could do the trick too, but very rarely does a penis reach it in the right way.
Oh, and that spraying stuff is for real and is connected to stimulation in a specific area. Don’t tell me that isn’t somehow a matter of structural biology!
Yes, I know! And for me, it’s completely different than a clitoral orgasm where I don’t spray at all.
Not to get all graphic, but I doubt if I’m the first person to think that if you don’t think you have one, maybe it’s because the wrong person has been looking.
What’s next? A study where they determine whether or not we have a spleen by asking us if we think we have one? Because I’ve never actually seen mine…
Catgirl, I would not likely have found mine on my own ... too far up to reach and I was a real explorer scout as a girl! I have some toys that allow me to get to it and do what I want, but lovers with a better angle and longer fingers found it first.
I find the lack of control questions about personal and partner behavior (which would influence the chances of finding something special - what ever it is) make the entire study questionable.
Heh…
Soon, my friends, talking about eating boogers will enter the public discourse as just another bodily function. The Human Body will be DeMystified and DeTemplified! And we will be able to talk about anything our body does without shame or fear! Even about the composition of our stools!
f you had asked me 10 years ago if I had one, I would have said no. Then I found it. Does that mean that it simply didn’t exist until I found it? Of course it doesn’t.
Actually, it’s not unreasonable to claim that you didn’t ‘have’ it. If the framework for understanding the gspot is a genetically determined organ, then we might ask if women have them from birth. I suggest that the answer is universally ‘no’ and the organ/gene framework just doesn’t work. Pre-pubescent girls simply don’t ‘have one’ because they have not established the link between their nerves, brains, and sexuality in order to ‘have’ one. Some people will not establish that link, some will. This is not really a big deal deserving of twin studies.
We can train our bodies to respond differently over time to the same stimuli. Because our bodies and experiences are different, responses will vary. I really wish they didn’t call this a ‘spot’ because it leads to incredibly stupid studies that rely on a genetic determinist framework, like that twin study.
Soon, my friends, talking about eating boogers will enter the public discourse as just another bodily function.
Yeah, I guess if you think the vagina, the G-spot, and female ejaculation are gross, you might feel that way.
“Soon, my friends, talking about eating boogers will enter the public discourse as just another bodily function. The Human Body will be DeMystified and DeTemplified! And we will be able to talk about anything our body does without shame or fear! Even about the composition of our stools!”
Not really seeing the straight line between female genitalia and pleasure and shit composition, personally.
In the 12 years we’ve been together, my wife and I have done some experiments on each other and we have created a very healthy and satisfactory sex life…plenty of “O’s”! She orgasms in many different ways and enjoys the variety. One rainy afternoon on our sailboat I tried multi-tasking her: fingers of the left hand stimulating her G spot, a right hand finger working her anus and simultaneously using my tongue on her clit…the result: an explosive, squirting, limb shaking, howling orgasm! As she recovered, she suggested that I “get on and fuck whatever I brains I have left out of me!”! I mumbled, “I can’t because I have cramps in both hands, my jaw is sore and I have a charlie horse in my right leg”.
Pretty much my point. Nothing is gross. And thinking that certain body parts or functions are gross is a key aspect of a certain sort of group identity formation. Anti-gay guys go on and on about “sticking a penis in there [sick face]”. Misogynists have issues with menstrual flows that they pass around. Race and ethicity is all about the gross food parts and gross habits (like favorite self-medicating drugs).
Having a certain bit of public glee about what your body does is a big part of what makes this site and the people that roam in it psychologically healthy.
What’s next? A study where they determine whether or not we have a spleen by asking us if we think we have one? Because I’ve never actually seen mine…
This is exactly what I was thinking. Or what about people who have an extra organ and don’t know it? Should we assume that nobody has a third kidney because some people (correctly) think they don’t have one? Once we accept that it’s possible for some to have it and some not to have it, should we then assume that someone doesn’t have a third kidney because they say they don’t?
Pre-pubescent girls simply don’t ‘have one’ because they have not established the link between their nerves, brains, and sexuality in order to ‘have’ one.
No, I’m pretty sure I had my g-spot even when I wasn’t using it, sort of like how my clitoris existed before I ever used it.
We can train our bodies to respond differently over time to the same stimuli.
My g-spot was never trained like the rest of my vagina and clitoris. It’s a very specific spot that I (and my partner) found quite by surprise. It wasn’t like my clitoris where it took months or maybe years of stimulation to reach an orgasm.
I really wish they didn’t call this a ‘spot’
While stimulation feels good on nearly all parts of my vagina, labia, and clitoris, for me there really is a specific “spot” that gives a completely different sensation when stimulated. It also have a different to texture to my fingers.
Someone already mentioned it, but I just wanted to say that everyone should read Bonk by Mary Roach. It’s a history of sex research. Her books are hilarious, interesting, and informative.
Ms Kate,
No beer, light or otherwise, just a nice Sonoma Cab tto wash doen the ibuprofen.
catgirl,
Speaking of textures, my wife loves my left index finger. The inside of the finger is scarred from 3rd degree burns and is much rougher than a normal finger, its become “her” finger.
light American Beer = love in a canoe (or kayak or sailboat) = like fucking close to water ...
Sorry Ms Kate,
I have a torn ligament (not from acrobatic sexual moves) and the painkilers keep me from being as nimble a usual….as in “why is sex on a boat like…” fucking duh!
Because an orgasm only counts for half marks if it wasn’t induced by a penis? I mean, what?
Do you get bonus points for extra penises? How does this game work?
Pre-pubescent girls simply don’t ‘have one’ because they have not established the link between their nerves, brains, and sexuality in order to ‘have’ one.
Wha?? I found mine at a very young age. With no help, just my fingers. I was definitely pre-pubescent.
There’s a reason that IRB’s think that , er, hands-on sex research runs a dagner of being done by crazy perverts. At least in the US. Of course, you also tend to get non-generalizable results because your samples tend to skew.
Damned if you do…
Paul, if you’ve ever been involved or sat on an IRB, it’s a tired old joke about fraternity research ...
Scientists attempt to find out if the G-spot is real.
By asking women if they believed they had one.
Folks have tried that with the concept of deity, with mixed results.
Ce n’est pas la méthode scientifique…
It’s probable that some women have it and some don’t, but for those who do have one, it can take years and years and things other than a penis to find it.
“Up the Vaginal Canal with Gun and Camera”.
Actually, it’s not unreasonable to claim that you didn’t ‘have’ it. If the framework for understanding the gspot is a genetically determined organ, then we might ask if women have them from birth.
Okay, this sort of research can get you into an awful lot of trouble,...
Now I just *have* to find a way to imply (falsely) that this is my area of research when I tell people I got a biology degree from a women’s college. “Naked all-girl pillow fights, schmillow fights! You shoulda seen my thesis lab!” :D
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Why is all research on female sexuality so squeamish? “Ewww ladyparts! Lets just do survey instead.”
Also I thought the G-spot was just a Cosmofied term for the clit’s back door.