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The Department of Health and Human Services, covered in glory and ketchup that it says symbolizes the spilled blood of aborted babies, is back with new conscience clause rules that would bar federal money from health care providers that didn’t allow their employees to deny healthcare they found morally offensive.

The Department of Health and Human Services is reviewing a draft regulation that would deny federal funding to any hospital, clinic, health plan or other entity that does not accommodate employees who want to opt out of participating in care that runs counter to their personal convictions, including providing birth-control pills, IUDs and the Plan B emergency contraceptive.

Conservative groups, abortion opponents and some members of Congress are welcoming the initiative as necessary to safeguard doctors, nurses and other health workers who, they say, are increasingly facing discrimination because of their beliefs or are being coerced into delivering services they find repugnant.

Oddly, there are no provisions protecting the consciences of people who think that the aforementioned people are dumbasses and the people making this policy are allowing people’s healthcare to be dictated by the luck of the draw when it comes to whether or not their doctor/nurse/pharmacist is a misinformed, judgmental asshole who thinks that Depo Provera is an abortion in a needle. 
The other question is: when you start declaring certain forms of healthcare denial are protected based on conscience (and at risk of defunding), what’s to stop anyone from declaring that their denials, too, are based on conscience?  I would rather give this liver to a Christian than an atheist - my conscience dictates it!  I would rather not perform a CT scan on this addict - my conscience dictates it!  When the federal government starts declaring that the paramount concern in healthcare is the comfort of the provider rather than the patient, the first thing I think about is what would have happened if I’d been female and gotten my appendectomy.  Suppose that I was on BC, and needed my pill for the day that I was in the hospital, and had a nurse refuse to either obtain or help me obtain a legal and potentially necessary course of pharmaceuticals while I was hooked into an IV and barely able to walk.  That veers away from conscience and directly towards abuse.

There’s also the Big Brother aspect of it.  HHS is opening up a direct line that allows them to federally dictate virtually any course of healthcare over the objections of healthcare providers and mores of science.  You’d think that the conscience crew, many of whom belong to the line of thought that declares the government is an entity primarily focused on taking your guns, money and angel-sitting-on-turtle lawn statues, would be a little nervous at the idea that the government wants to come in and tell them exactly how they can do their jobs and levy destructive punishments upon them.  Of course, these people are also largely hackishly motivated morons who just want the attention and approval for shaming sluts and saving zygotes. 

UPDATE: Contact HHS here.

 

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Posted by Jesse Taylor on 10:27 AM • (49) Comments

This is such utter bullshit. What happens when male fundie Muslim or ultra-Orthodox Jewish doctors proclaim that they can’t treat female patients? Do we have to subsidize thousands of Christian Scientist doctors who can do almost no health care for moral reasons? Can a Scientologist refuse to dispense anti-depressants? And why do we need to protect these people in the first place? They can always work at some other job if it offends them so much.
It just goes to show the idea of “freedom” for Republicans is just the freedom of the powerful to screw over everyone else.

Comment #1: histrogeek  on  08/01  at  11:19 AM

So what I want to know is who is the right person/people to yell at about this?  I have a very “when they pry it from my cold, dead hands” approach to my BCP.  I would consider it a violation of MY religious freedom if I went to a pharmacy and a pharmacist of any religion used their faith to deny me my medication.  Do I mail my senators? HHS?  Everyone with a .gov email address?

Comment #2: Angela V  on  08/01  at  11:20 AM

Wait, what?

I thought the whole problem with universal healthcare was that it might lead to the government having a say in what kind of medical care people can get and telling doctors and nurses how to do their jobs?

I for one know that this is one of the big rationales that healthcare folks give as to why they’re against it—they don’t want politics meddling in their ability to provide care.  I wonder what all the various professional associations of doctors, nurses, etc. think of this proposal?

Comment #3: The Opoponax  on  08/01  at  11:39 AM

How about refusing to prescribe Viagra?  Or how about refusing to treat prostate cancer?  Think those fundies would like them apples?

Comment #4: Melissa  on  08/01  at  11:40 AM

I wrote about this a couple of days ago, and my take on it is that it’s an open attack on birth control, and I hope the backlash is swift and sudden on it. The anti-choicers have been slick on birth control so far, and I think they’re getting desperate now. They see their chances slipping away.

Comment #5: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  08/01  at  11:41 AM

I work at a hotel that is in the immediate area of the Republican National Convention, so for a week my professional function will be to help make sure the convention goes smoothly, which is a function in service of electing John McCain *heave.*

Now, I believe that the entire Republican Party is an institution aimed at perpetuating descrimination, excusing bigotry, making war (aka. killing people) and generally destroying all that is good about the nation that I love.  If there were ever a legitimate “conscience objection” to tasks performed in the hospitality industry, I think I have it.

I am a switchboard operator but I think I should refuse to direct any calls having to do with the RNC because that would amount to me participating in descrimination against women, gays, and people of color, as well as aiding and abetting the continuing murder of thousands of Iraqis. 

I’ll still come to work and I expect to be paid, butt they can’t DESCRIMINATE against me over my following of my conscience!

I think congress needs to pass a law protecting me from having to do my job, and from losing pay over my refusal to do my job.  Fair is fair, right?

Comment #6: GumbyAnne  on  08/01  at  11:46 AM

People who have a religious or moral belief should not be forced to participate in an act they find abhorrent.

Who, exactly, is forcing these fundie morons to become nurses, doctors and pharmacists?

The linked article, btw, sucks ass. It never explains why such a document would spell out what abortion is. Is that not a matter of the individual’s conscience? Does the proposed regulation only address the reproductive prejudices of the religious right?

That’s kind of a naive question isn’t it…

Comment #7: Sarcastro  on  08/01  at  11:49 AM

Who, exactly, is forcing these fundie morons to become nurses, doctors and pharmacists?

Well, actually, there’s an organized effort to get right-wing fundamentalists into specialized industries like this (EMTs as well; there was a Kos diary about it a while back), and they are all too eager to be Warriors For The Lord who fight immorality by preventing people from getting the medical care they need, and working to enshrine permissions to do so in the law.

Comment #8: annejumps  on  08/01  at  12:10 PM

How about refusing to prescribe Viagra?  Or how about refusing to treat prostate cancer?  Think those fundies would like them apples?

Let’s make it happen, Melissa!  Let’s start a religious belief that Viagra promotes promiscuity, like the Gardasil vaccine, and that prostate cancer is God’s punishment for excessive masturbation.  And then we’ll lobby. 
...oh, wait.  Then we would be founders of a religion led and maintained by women.  I don’t see any other matriarchal churches exerting pressure on politicians, and something tells me we wouldn’t get very far….

Comment #9: Tanglethis  on  08/01  at  12:19 PM

“Conservative groups, abortion opponents and some members of Congress are welcoming the initiative as necessary to safeguard doctors, nurses and other health workers who, they say, are increasingly facing discrimination because of their beliefs or are being coerced into delivering services they find repugnant.”

I’m trying to decide if I should become a urologist who finds all services related to human genitals and urine production/excretion repugnant so I refuse to perform them, but I still want to be paid (a lot) for being a urologist.  Or should I instead become a gynecologist who finds everything related to the vulva and vagina to be repugnant and therefore refuse to provide any gynecological services, but still get paid a lot for being a gynecologist.  Any thoughts?

Maybe I could just be a general practitioner who believes all medical advances for the lat 500-years are immoral and against God’s will.  I would refuse to prescribe antibiotics, refuse to do surgery, refuse to prescribe any other chemical, or perform any other procedure that might help a patient.  I would be willing to bleed them, or pray over them while they are dying.  And, of course, I still expect to be paid that good good doctor money…

Comment #10: MikeEss  on  08/01  at  12:23 PM

“Who, exactly, is forcing these fundie morons to become nurses, doctors and pharmacists?”

Don’t be silly.  Jesus is telling them to become nurses, doctors, and pharmacists who have no obligation to actually deliver any service.  Duh!...

It’s just like how he calls on Republicans to takeover government specifically so it can be run into the ground per His orders…

Comment #11: MikeEss  on  08/01  at  12:28 PM

I thought the whole problem with universal healthcare was that it might lead to the government having a say in what kind of medical care people can get and telling doctors and nurses how to do their jobs?

I think the problem you’re experiencing here is that you’re expecting moronic hatemongers to care at all if they’re logically consistent or not.  They just make shit up, throw it at reality, democracy, and society and see what sticks.

Comment #12: stogoe  on  08/01  at  12:35 PM

Not to put too fine a point on it, but if a random pharmacist decided that I have to be pregnant whether or not I want to be, and tried to enforce that on me, it would feel like a strange version of sexual assault.

When the federal government starts declaring that the paramount concern in healthcare is the comfort of the provider rather than the patient, the first thing I think about is what would have happened if I’d been female and gotten my appendectomy.  Suppose that I was on BC, and needed my pill for the day that I was in the hospital, and had a nurse refuse to either obtain or help me obtain a legal and potentially necessary course of pharmaceuticals while I was hooked into an IV and barely able to walk.

It gets worse—-what if they’d decided that you, being of child-bearing age, might be pregnant and not know it, and they can’t harm “the baby” by operating on you?  Every time you get even the most minor of medical treatment and you’re a woman of child-bearing age, they ask if you could be pregnant and, depending on how damaging the treatment could be to a fetus, you have to assure them of your form of birth control so they know that there’s a low risk of you being pregnant.  I could just see religious zealots citing imaginary “babies” to deny women treatment at all.  The Taliban had a similar nasty trick to make sure that women died and suffered from lack of care, by citing “modesty”.

Comment #13: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/01  at  12:36 PM

I know this was a joke, but does

and that prostate cancer is God’s punishment for excessive masturbation

mean today is opposite day?

Comment #14: Samantha Vimes  on  08/01  at  12:37 PM

But the baybees!  TEH BAYYBEEEES!!1!!1!!

Seriously, when did we become such a pathetic nation of whiners where a big portion of our populace seems to believe that they can get jobs that come with oaths to serve the public but get off the hook from any activity that they might find slightly distasteful.  I’m a sanitation worker, but I find trash repugnant!  I’m a public defender but I find all them arguments unappealing!  I’m a meat inspector but think e. coli is kinda cute and deserves to live!

Comment #15: Loneoak  on  08/01  at  12:42 PM

I think the problem you’re experiencing here is that you’re expecting moronic hatemongers to care at all if they’re logically consistent or not.

It’s not so much that I expect logical consistency from the leaders, who obviously just do whatever they want to further their own agendas.  It’s more that most of the regular folks I know who are against universal healthcare are worried about exactly this sort of thing—problems with getting access to healthcare because the government is sticking their political-whim caked fingers into every little crevice.

So I wonder what all those folks would think of this proposition, though I’m guessing it’ll all stay on the DL so that the bulk of thinking politically moderate voters will never have to know about it.

And then of course the Repubs will continue to imply that a national health plan would be too political and intrusive in re standards of care.

Comment #16: The Opoponax  on  08/01  at  12:45 PM

what if they’d decided that you, being of child-bearing age, might be pregnant and not know it, and they can’t harm “the baby” by operating on you?  Every time you get even the most minor of medical treatment and you’re a woman of child-bearing age, they ask if you could be pregnant and, depending on how damaging the treatment could be to a fetus, you have to assure them of your form of birth control so they know that there’s a low risk of you being pregnant.

Or worse and yet more realistic, you have to undergo either a pregnancy test or an ultrasound before having even the most minor procedure done, down to local anaesthetic at the dentist.

Just watched that 2nd season BSG episode with the farms last night, so I could speculate on the icky turns this could take all day…

Comment #17: The Opoponax  on  08/01  at  12:50 PM

Besides the total absurdity of allowing someone who doesn’t believe in their job not to do their job, is the fact that these people are supposed to be medical professionals but this legislation allows them to MAKE UP a definition of pregnant.  “I’m a nurse, and I know all my classes said that pregnancy is when the fertilized egg implants in the uterine lining, but I don’t think so.  I think all those classes and professors and colleagues are wrong.”  Professors ought to be able to fail students who think that.

Comment #18: Sidewriter  on  08/01  at  12:54 PM

On top of the basic issues with the Nanny-state problems, every one of these morality laws (to protect Christian sensibilities, always) is always deliberately broadly worded, and every single time, usually in direct contradiction to what they SAID it meant, it always gets used for some broader, more evil reason.

They are obviously starting out by targeting specific services, and in such a way that unthinking people aren’t going to have a problem with - “well, they can just get someone else to prescribe that.” But the wording is vague enough to guarantee an immediate shift from services they don’t want to provide to people they don’t want to provide services to.

We’ve already seen the artificial insemination group that refused to serve lesbian customers. They, by definition, had no problem doing the insemination and related tasks as such, but they refused to offer it to lesbians. So how long does it take to refuse to treat gay people, or to honor marriages/civil unions/powers of attorney between gay couples? To refuse to offer reproductive or contraceptive services to unmarried people? Etc. It is a guarantee.  So is the fact that if it violates someone’s conscience to perform the service, it will equally violate their conscience to refer someone for that service to someone who doesn’t mind.

If they want to try to float a specific law with specific clauses about specific services, then that is fine and it can pass or fail on its merits. If they want to try something that says that employers with more than X employees can allow up to Y percent of their employees to opt out of a service as long as it is still available without significant delay, I say they can try to float it.

These general statements are for the birds.

Comment #19: Lymis  on  08/01  at  12:57 PM

“Professors ought to be able to fail students who think that.”

Retroactively?

Comment #20: Older  on  08/01  at  01:17 PM

It gets worse—-what if they’d decided that you, being of child-bearing age, might be pregnant and not know it, and they can’t harm “the baby” by operating on you?

IIRC, when they thought I might have appendicitis, they did say they would have to do a pregnancy test first.  Not to save Teh Baybee, but because it’s trickier to do abdominal surgery on someone with a pregnant uterus, so they would need to know beforehand.  Plus being pregnant would affect your reaction to the anesthetic.

I can understand testing for pregnancy before surgery, because it is a complicating factor that the surgeon and anesthesiologist need to take into account.  Refusing surgery because of it?  Not so much.

Comment #21: Mnemosyne  on  08/01  at  01:21 PM

Oh, and when I had non-abdominal (knee) surgery, I don’t think they specifically did a pregnancy test, though they did get blood and urine to test various things, so it may have been included in there.  They asked me if I thought I might be pregnant, but they seemed to take my word for it.

Comment #22: Mnemosyne  on  08/01  at  01:23 PM

If gatekeepers are going to be allowed to keep the drugs from people who need them, then the drugs should be sold over the counter.

Comment #23: Jodi  on  08/01  at  01:24 PM

Mnemosyne’s posts remind me of my biggest run-in with the medical industry, the time I had to go into the ER with a high fever and severe pelvic/abdominal pain which turned out to be a bladder infection which had spread to my kidneys.  The doctor and nurses asked several times if I was pregnant, had ever been pregnant, thought I might be pregnant, could be pregnant, whether I was sexually active, what kinds of contraception I used,  and all sorts of other questions perfectly logically related to someone who has unexplainable pelvic pain. 

It would be horrible to think that treatment could have been held up further with extra freakouts about the potential that I might be unmarried and sexually active, currently using birth control, may once have had an abortion, could potentially be pregnant, etc etc etc.  I mean, what if everyone in the hospital who might have been involved in my treatment had to sign some sort of consent form to allow various procedures to be performed based on their personal moral compass? 

Not to mention the situation which could arise where some ER nurse might be opposed to any of the above and refuse to treat me on the off chance she would be facilitating the immoral actions of a Dirty Slut.

I already worry when I visit a new doctor about answering questions about my sexuality in ways that person might not approve of, and get somewhat stressed anytime I have to see a new gynecologist because it’s important that I see someone who is down with my sexuality and supportive of my reproductive/sexual/life choices.  As if that weren’t enough…

Comment #24: The Opoponax  on  08/01  at  01:37 PM

“when did we become such a pathetic nation of whiners where a big portion of our populace seems to believe that they can get jobs that come with oaths to serve the public but get off the hook from any activity that they might find slightly distasteful. “

Nurses don’t have any oaths to serve the public.  There’s the Nightingale Oath, which I don’t believe anyone uses any more (I took it back in 1970) but I don’t believe it has any requirement that I provide care to the general public, but only that I will perform my job to the best of my ability.  Refusing to provide care on the job is unethical, which is why they want legal authority to do so, but it doesn’t violate an oath. 

I wonder if they’d be okay with a Jehovah’s Witness nurse refusing to give a blood transfusion.  Or a nurse who believes in the death penalty refusing antibiotics to a convicted murderer or rapist… we get prisoners here pretty frequently from the local penitentiary.  I don’t think they have any idea what a can of worms they’re opening up.

Comment #25: Ivyfree  on  08/01  at  01:56 PM

“I wonder if they’d be okay with a Jehovah’s Witness nurse refusing to give a blood transfusion.  Or a nurse who believes in the death penalty refusing antibiotics to a convicted murderer or rapist… we get prisoners here pretty frequently from the local penitentiary.”

...or refused to treat a Republican for supporting 8-years of disastrous and immoral government actions…?

Comment #26: MikeEss  on  08/01  at  02:03 PM

When I was in the hospital, they would provide me every other pill I was taking.  Except the bcps I was taking for my endometriosis.  My mother would have to come in every day and bring them for me. 

My mother is overly-anxious, and although the doctors told her there would be no interference whatsoever with my other pills, she though there would be anyway and would only bring me a pill every other day.  Basically, I was at her mercy for these pills, and even though I argued with her, she would only bring them every other day.

I wound up being in the hospital for ten days.  It was hard to tell what was my intestinal infection and what were cramps, but on the 9th day my non-period finally started and I was pretty miserable (I’m on a continuous regimen because even pill periods are insanely terrible).  And of course, the hospital was freaking out because I could barely move and there was this giant pool of blood underneath me. 

Yeah, my mom’s half to blame in this story, but if the hospital had just given me the pills like a good hospital should, there would have been no literal and figurative mess.

Comment #27: Bon  on  08/01  at  02:35 PM

I’m veering slightly off-topic, as I am repulsed by the idea that the health-care provider’s ‘morality’ may intervene with my medical care—

But—I’d sure as heck hate to be operated on for appendicitis when I was suffering from an ectopic pregnancy (for which the differential diagnosis includes appendicitis.)

Comment #28: V.  on  08/01  at  02:52 PM

Not to put too fine a point on it, but if a random pharmacist decided that I have to be pregnant whether or not I want to be, and tried to enforce that on me, it would feel like a strange version of sexual assault.

I don’t think this is putting too fine a point on it at all.

Comment #29: FashionablyEvil  on  08/01  at  02:57 PM

Aside from the main issue of protecting people who refuse to do their jobs, we should also not lose sight of the very important secondary issue here- the brazen Humpty-Dumpty redefinition of most forms of contraception as “abortion”. Not only is this an outrage that needs to be fought, but it’s also useful fodder for convincing doubters that most of the “pro-lifers” really do care a lot less about “unborn babies” than about controlling female sexuality and reproduction.

Comment #30: Steve LaBonne  on  08/01  at  03:05 PM

“So it would be OK for a doctor to refuse to help an infertile couple where the wife was black and the husband was white, if his religious beliefs were that interracial marriage is wrong?”

Wingnuts really want to say “yes”, but they know they aren’t allowed to in public. Fun to watch the backtracking.

On who to complain to: HHS has a contact form on their website. Secretary Mike Leavitt also has a blog, but doubt he is inviting comments on this.

Presumably you can also contact your Senators and Representative.

Comment #31: mythago  on  08/01  at  04:03 PM

Conservative groups, abortion opponents and some members of Congress are welcoming the initiative as necessary to safeguard doctors, nurses and other health workers who, they say, are increasingly facing discrimination because of their beliefs or are being coerced into delivering services they find repugnant.

If you’re a vegetarian don’t take a job in a slaughterhouse, fool.

Comment #32: bekabot  on  08/01  at  04:18 PM

Physicians, nurses, pharmacists, and several other types of health care technicians are licensed by the state, and have to follow professional ethical standards, one of which is the requirement to refer if one does not wish to or cannot provide a service. Thus, the pharmacist who snatches away a prescription and refuses to either fill or return the scrip is considered unethical, and can be disciplined by the licensure board, whether or not the hospital can fire him.

Appendicitis and right fallopian tube abscess or ectopic pregnancy can produce the same symptoms and localize pain to right lower quadrant.

Comment #33: NancyP  on  08/01  at  05:39 PM

People who have a religious or moral belief should not be forced to participate in an act they find abhorrent.

As a vegetarian, I find eating meat immoral, abhorrent, and repugnant. If i worked as a waitress at a steak house, and refused to serve anyone any meat, shouldn’t i then be FIRED? would anyone really expect me to be allowed to keep the job??

Comment #34: casey  on  08/01  at  06:18 PM

what if they’d decided that you, being of child-bearing age, might be pregnant and not know it, and they can’t harm “the baby” by operating on you?

Especially since with their new definition of pregnancy (when the man comes), you wouldn’t be able to even TEST if you were pregnant (only testable when you actually ARE pregnant - ie. a fertilized egg has implanted in your uterus.)!

Comment #35: casey  on  08/01  at  06:20 PM

Aren’t these the same asshats who bray on and on and on about how horrible single payer healthcare would be because the government would be making your healthcare decisions for you?

I thought so.

Comment #36: Ms Kate  on  08/01  at  06:30 PM

Aren’t these the same asshats who bray on and on and on about how horrible single payer healthcare would be because the government would be making your healthcare decisions for you?

But, see, it’s still bad for the GOVERNMENT to make your healthcare decisions for you.  What needs to happen is that ad-hoc strangers who don’t know your medical history should be allowed to make your healthcare decisions for you based on their personal morals.

Busybodiness—it’s the American way!

Comment #37: Mnemosyne  on  08/01  at  07:35 PM

Somewhat OT, but it turns out that the forced birthers lied about a few important aspects of the heartwrenching story behind “Sarah’s Law,” meant to require parental notification in California.  Just some small, piddling details, like that she was married.

Is there anything they won’t lie about to get their way?

Comment #38: Mnemosyne  on  08/01  at  07:54 PM

Is there anything they won’t lie about to get their way?

No. This has been another edition…

Comment #39: Steve LaBonne  on  08/01  at  08:36 PM

I am reminded of the man who jumped into the lion enclosure at the Taipei Zoo in order to preach the Word to the lions.

Patients in hospitals are much less able to defend themselves.

Comment #40: sara  on  08/01  at  10:12 PM

Oh, here’s a way this could go wrong: What if Dick Cheney has another heart attack, & the liberal ER doc won’t treat him?

Comment #41: Skwee  on  08/01  at  11:36 PM

so am i misunderstanding, or would this law mean that anti-choicers could start taking jobs at planned parenthood, rendering even safe places in the sea of batshit lunacy completely useless?

Comment #42: jessilikewhoa  on  08/01  at  11:46 PM

“It gets worse—-what if they’d decided that you, being of child-bearing age, might be pregnant and not know it, and they can’t harm “the baby” by operating on you”

this did sorta happen to me. i had a major operation on my hip on July 10th. if i had been pregnant, they wouldn’t have done the surgery, because it can (very vaugely) interfere (as much as general anesthetics; but pregnacy too soon can actually also fuck up all the work they did to fix my hip)

of course, no one TOLD me this until i was in pre-op, and then i had a freak-out because 2 days before i had (protected) sex with my boyfriend, but was the condom perfect? was there any chance of a hole? what about leakage? i had a panic attack until the test came back (i was terrified that the surgery would be canceled, plus the general terror of pregnancy. plus the porphyria i-will-die-from-pregnancy thing).

and then, three days after the surgery i was being switched from IV to oral pain meds, and the nurse refused to give me the oral meds (for six FUCKING HOURS that let me tell you hurt like six YEARS) because he was against addictive medicine. my threw the biggest temeper tantrum EVER to get my meds and a new nurse. who wasn’t disciplined. because he didn’t believe in addictive meds. as a post-operative nurse.

Comment #43: denelian  on  08/02  at  01:53 AM

Isn’t this rather what Gonzalez/Goodling have done at DOJ?  Does anyone think that the AUSA who was appointed based on her belief system (conservative, openly expressive about her faith, doesn’t believe in abortion rights, hates gays)  would hestate for a moment in choosing who to presecute and who not to prosecute in any given situation? he was hired for her prejudices, knowing that she would in fact implement those prejudices in all of her career decisions.  Well thought out and insidious.  Now how do we fix it?

Comment #44: evie  on  08/02  at  10:44 AM

Just FYI for anyone who doesn’t know, there is a petition to support opposition to this proposed rule here.  (It is a HillPac petition to Secretary Leavitt)

Comment #45: Astraea  on  08/02  at  01:37 PM

If you can’t do the work…don’t train for it.

This is probably a camel’s nose to allow diploma mill ‘nursies’ and ‘dockies’ the ability to practice.  It also absolves the failure to provide Standard Care.  Most jurisdictions are realistic when there is a medical failure,  unless the practioner failed to meet Standard Care.  Now all Sarey Gamp has to do to beat the rap and keep her license is to wail ‘religious beleefs’.  Quite possibly there is a huge and statistically significant disciplinary difference between religio-crazies and the general population.

Comment #46: Mold  on  08/02  at  03:57 PM

dandelain,

Did that really happen?  The refusal to give pain meds?  That is tolatty incredible.  Refusing that type of care in your situation must be some sort of violation of basic standard care. 

You would think that she couldn’t get away with it.  After all, your pain didn’t have anything to do with teh dirty secks.  Usually something that blatant would require slut shaming as cover.

Comment #47: GumbyAnne  on  08/02  at  05:43 PM

As a nurse, I find this antithetical to what my profession stands for.  I was taught to take care of the person, without asking questions, regardless of the situation, with compassion.  I have treated murderers, pedophiles, rapists, wife-beaters, and, yes, even republicans, and all to the best of my ability.  I don’t need “protection” to do my job.  I do need protection from the wankers drafting this insanity.

Comment #48: ignobiltiy  on  08/03  at  12:25 AM

and then, three days after the surgery i was being switched from IV to oral pain meds, and the nurse refused to give me the oral meds (for six FUCKING HOURS that let me tell you hurt like six YEARS) because he was against addictive medicine. my threw the biggest temeper tantrum EVER to get my meds and a new nurse. who wasn’t disciplined. because he didn’t believe in addictive meds. as a post-operative nurse.

denelian does your local newspaper/TV station know about that? Tell them! Some ambitious reporter could make a career out of your story.

Comment #49: banisteriopsis  on  08/03  at  05:23 AM
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