So, low turnout.  Their supporters must have been holding an afternoon tea ... bagging or some such?

Dammit, I was hoping Alan Keyes would show up.

Their bigotry is what is turning my stomach.

The explaining the sex act strategy sounds hilarious to me.  It reminds me of the time my grandmother asked my sister how lesbians do it.  She found the idea of cunnilingus disgusting but is still a fan of Ellen so I’m not sure the disgust route will go anywhere.  Also anal didn’t seem weird to her so how do you know what to describe to get the biggest ewwww?

Also anal didn’t seem weird to her so how do you know what to describe to get the biggest ewwww?

Not to mention the fact that a lot of heterosexual couples have anal sex as well (and sometimes the boyfriend gets it) soooo, saying “the penis enters the rectum” might not have the effect they think it will. In fact, it might give some guys in the audience an idea…

Marion Barry believes marriage should be between a man and the bitch who set him up.

“marriage should be between a man and the bitch who set him up.”

I laughed out loud!

Every time I hear about Marion Berry, I can’t help but remember the Chris Rock bit about how Berry’s parrticipation in the Million Man March meant that “even in our finest hour, we had a crackhead on stage.”

A biblical interstate.  Whoda thunk it?  Ah well, it’s always nice to visit Outer Squirreldom.

I started laughing when I read Marion Barry in the post and was howling by “marriage should be between a man and the bitch who set him up” in SK’s comments.
The reality of the reichwing. It is so, so funny.

I really think people should take this “gay marriage is like marriage between a man and a child” business and spin it into “They don’t care about child abuse victims!” It’s an extremely callous analogy and they keep using it, with no one calling them on it. And obviously, just pointing out that it’s inaccurate and ridiculous won’t be enough.

“Not to mention the fact that a lot of heterosexual couples have anal sex as well (and sometimes the boyfriend gets it) soooo, saying “the penis enters the rectum” might not have the effect they think it will. In fact, it might give some guys in the audience an idea…”

The universe of the wingnut, where straight people are unfamiliar to the point of pearl-clutching with anal or oral sex. It’s a fascinating place, with psychadelic colors and sitar music, but I don’t think many people still live there.

<blockqoute>Jackson compared marriage between gay couples to marriage between close relatives, or between “a man and a three-year old.”</blockquote>

OK, I’m not getting this comparison at all.  Other than it being disgusting and never possibly legal, and that’s what they want for homosexuals. 

CONSENT?  Have they ever heard of the word?

CONSENT?  Have they ever heard of the word?

Not so much.

Jackson compared marriage between gay couples to marriage between close relatives, or between “a man and a three-year old.”

Again with the consent issue?  This just demonstrates how they feel about rape.  They don’t care about date rape because they don’t care about consent at all.  The reason they don’t like stranger rape has nothing to do with forcing someone to have sex against her will; they don’t like it because one man is stealing another man’s property.  Also, why does he only mention a man marrying a toddler?  This is pretty analogous to their views of marriage.  Women are essentially children who are too naive to ever consent so someone has to make the choice for her, and then she must be obedient to the new father figure in her life because she is assumed to have the mental capacity of a three year old.

He was fixated on gay sex acts, repeatedly urging people to “explain the act” because it would turn people’s stomachs and turn them against marriage equality.

I guess he doesn’t care about lesbian sex then.  I guess he also completely unaware that gay marriage is not all about the sex, the same way that straight marriage is not all about the sex.  A lot of gay guys don’t even like anal sex, and the ones who do like it probably do it a lot less often than this guy seems to think.  Even if this guy doesn’t like the act of anal sex, forbidding gay couples to marry certainly won’t stop them from having sex.  This demonstrates how fundies don’t care about marriage, human rights, or sin.  They are just obsessed with anal sex.

I really think people should take this “gay marriage is like marriage between a man and a child” business and spin it into “They don’t care about child abuse victims!”

I don’t think they care much about child abuse victims, especially if they are girls.  The Catholic church is infamous for their child abuse scandals, but no one really cared about all the girl victims, and only started to make a big deal about the boy victims.  Even then, the church was just giving a token response for PR purposes without really doing anything about the problem.  And even though the Catholic church is known for this, they are certainly not the only ones to have this attitude.  When you live in a culture where you believe parents have complete ownership over their children, it’s easy to ignore child abuse.  They only have a problem when it comes back to that anal sex they are so obsessed with.

You know the wingnuts are the same folks who were against busing but they need to change their mind about that like the anti-abortion loud mouths have. Every January 22nd they bus in loads of high school kids who can’t vote to stand outside of the Supreme Court and try to harass them into repealing Roe v. Wade.

The anti-gay folks need to take a page from their playbook because their rallies are really pitiful. When you can’t even attract 1,000 people to something and you have Marion Barry as a speaker you really need to reexamine your PR strategy.

I don’t see why this is surprising. Christians are anti gay… Black Christians doubly so.

“I don’t see why this is surprising. Christians are anti gay… Black Christians doubly so.”

Um, isn’t that a rather broad statement?  I know the blanket supposition is “socially conservative,” but it really does depend on whom one talks to.  And their age.  And whether they know gays and lesbians personally.  And which Christ they are following as Christians.

Yeah, plenty of Christians are accepting or at least tolerant of gay people.  My mom’s church has a gay couple, and some people don’t like it but most are fine with it, including the two preachers.  I just wish conservative Christians could be more like the moderate or liberal Christians.

Hold on thar. Explaining the act only really works if you assume (and I guess wingnuts have that capacity) that queers are all celibate until marriage, just like straight people. Otherwise they’re doing the act(s) anyway. (And of course, described in appropriately mock-prurient language, het sex sounds pretty disgusting too.)

Wingnuts know how to organize big events (or at least some of them do) so I’m guessing that part of the reason they’re doing such a half-assed job—sure, next time you’re going to remember to put the flyers around at churches—is that it give them an excuse for no one showing up.

“...urging people to “explain the act” because it would turn people’s stomachs and turn them against marriage equality.”

If I were dumb enough to think ‘ick factor’ was a legitimate basis for passing laws, you could probably turn me against straight marriage with that one. I mean, have you seen straight people lately? A lot of them are quite ugly. And even the ones that look okay behaving normally with their clothes on look pretty weird during sex.

*goes off to create a group to protect the sanctity of marriage from ugly people*

Umm Uhura, that’s the same logic Karl Rove wanted to use to increase diversity in the republican party. He thought that exploiting anti-gay bias among black people would have them swarming to the GOP in droves. No surprise, it didn’t work.

But the folks who showed up at this particular rally are not representative of the larger black or Christian populations. They’re just a bunch of old loud mouths who no one pays attention to anymore and they’re using gay people as their scapegoats to get back in the news.

Honestly, the part that really got me howling was when Marion Barry said, “I am a moral politician.”  I nearly sprayed my monitor with the beverage du jour.

GeekGirlsRule:

Maybe he was just dissing politicians in general… (Not entirely in jest—one of the thing that’s contributed to the ascendancy of the right is the notion that politics and business are too yucky for moral people not drien by a dominionist mission to engage in…)

I don’t see why this is surprising. Christians are anti gay… Black Christians doubly so.

Try not to tar everyone with the same brush? Two of the three most religious Christians I know are gay.

I’m both exasperated and amused that there are so many people who think that “I think it’s icky,” constitutes a sound argument.

Marion Barry’s effort to claim moral superiority is hilarious.

Every post by <strike>Amanda</strike> Franklin<strike> blames men</strike>  demonstrates his own stupidity in some form or fashion.

Fixed that for you, nitwit.

Um, isn’t that a rather broad statement?  I know the blanket supposition is “socially conservative,” but it really does depend on whom one talks to.  And their age.  And whether they know gays and lesbians personally.  And which Christ they are following as Christians.

Umm…yes - it’s a broad statement. But only in the same sense as this one:

Humans need oxygen to live.

And I said it like I meant it… No need for useless euphemisms such as “socially conservative.”

Umm…yes - it’s a broad statement. But only in the same sense as this one:

Except that one is true and the other is not true, which, when you think about it, makes a pretty big difference.

Silly Rebecca, with your logic!

Uhura, last time I checked, all humans need oxygen to live, continually.

If you “said it like you meant it,” you have said that all Christians (African-American ones especially, for whatever reason you think) are homophobic.

Well, I know a lot of Christians are. But I also know, from personal experience, quite a few who aren’t. I’ve even known some African-American Christians who aren’t homophobic. But that’s impossible by your claim.

I guess you’d say those people aren’t Christians by definition. Because apparently being a homophobe is part of how you define Christianity itself. And/or blackness.

The last time you came around here I don’t recall you ever arguing any reasons why this should be so, just asserting it is.

Since, in my perception, all bigotry boils down to fear in one form or another, and is generally actually fear of someone the bigot feels powerless to defy projected instead onto some third parties they feel they can attack, thereby gaining the goodwill of those they really fear, people coming around and proudly boasting of their bigotry don’t generally impress me as being very together, admirable people. Such people need to go an extra mile in making a rational case of some kind, and if they attempt to do that they will either reason themselves out of their bigotry or just plain fail big time.

Have you got something this time, Uhura?

I got nuttin except: White people are in heavy denial.

: )

“The universe of the wingnut . . . with psychadelic colors and sitar music, but I don’t think many people still live there.”

No, witless chum, I think the Wingnuttiverse has red/white/blue bunting and a brass band playing.  The music is actually okay, but you’re right that it is largely uninhabited these days.