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NOM’s Maggie Gallagher whines: don’t blame me for gay teen suicides

Call the Waaaambulance for the NOM-ster. Actually, Maggie, I haven’t been thinking about you much at all, since that summer NOM bus tour was such a raging failure that I dropped you and perpetual flop-sweating Brian Brown down onto my third-tier list of homophobes along with The Peter and Ken Hutcherson. But if you want me to point some fingers at bigots who have helped create a climate of discrimination that reinforces young LGBTs that they are not equal in the eyes of the law, I’ll be happy to do so. (NYP):

Do I have blood on my hands?

Major gay-rights groups are saying so. Each of us who opposes gay marriage, they say, is responsible for the terrible and tragic suicides of gay teens that recently hit the news.

San Francisco just filed a brief in the Prop 8 case, saying 7 million Californians who voted to protect marriage as the union of one man and one woman are responsible for high rates of suicide among gay people.

Evan Wolfson, one of the leading architects of the gay marriage movement, calls me out personally: “National Organization for Marriage Chairman Maggie Gallagher is among those who, with reckless disregard, attacks LGBT youth.”

Former Clinton adviser Richard Socarides told the AP these suicides demonstrate why gays should be allowed to marry: “When you speak out for full equality now, as opposed to partial equality, or incremental equality, you send a message to everybody, including the bullies, that everyone is equal.”
Apparently, either we all agree that gay marriage is good or gay children will die.

It’s a horrific charge to levy in response to some pretty horrifying stories. Will gay marriage really reduce or prevent gay teen suicide? I felt a moral obligation to find out.

She then goes off on a tangent to discuss statistics about gay youth suicide, sexual intercourse, drug abuse and yes, bullying. Then she says this:

Forced sex, childhood sexual abuse, dating violence, early unwed pregnancy, substance abuse—could these be a more important factor in the increased suicide risk of LGBT high schoolers than anything people like me ever said?

Gallagher’s blind spot is mind-boggling. It clearly does not occur to her that adults—parents who hold views like hers send a clear message to their children about inequality—for LGBT kids, they hear intolerance, or experience abuse from homophobic parents. For other children, their parents’ homophobia gives them license to bully gay (or perceived to be gay/non-gender-conforming) kids. The bigotry trickles down. What people like Maggie Gallagher say to their children can translate into kids who seek to escape through drug abuse, casual or high-risk sex. And some of those kids see no way out—certainly no support system at home if NOM’s message is what’s delivered to them.

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Posted by Pam Spaulding on 08:45 AM • (37) Comments

I love how she also makes it appear as though she is solely against marriage equality and not a full-on anti-gay bigot who would rid the world of gay people if possible.  The faux concern about dead gay kids coming from the right would be hilarious if not for the fact that they rather like gay deaths.

Comment #1: MAJeff, the God of Biscuits  on  10/22  at  09:25 AM

Forced sex, childhood sexual abuse, dating violence, early unwed pregnancy…

Wait, what? This is like talking about a lack of seatbelt use leading to higher automobile death rates amongst children, even as you say that you’re vehemently opposed to children wearing seatbelts. I’m not gonna even get into the strange concept of same-sex teen couples accidently getting pregnant.

Not that I should expect even basic logic to cut through her bigotry and hate. I’m surprised she hasn’t yet started a video campaign aimed at LGBT youth called “It Gets Worse (and then you burn in Hell, f*ggot).”

Comment #2: Gracchus.  on  10/22  at  09:32 AM

Why would early unwed pregnancy be a concern to LGBT youth?  Maybe the B, but since they are invisible in the mainstream society, I doubt she meant those kids would be affected by pregnancy.  Wingnut Siyunce Fail (TM).

Comment #3: speedbudget  on  10/22  at  09:40 AM

“Do I have blood on my hands?”

Yeah, pretty much.


Got any other brain-busters?
/Tommy Boy

Comment #4: witless chum  on  10/22  at  10:24 AM

Fucking assholes, how do they <strike>sleep</strike> work?

Comment #5: Sour Kraut  on  10/22  at  10:48 AM

Gallagher’s blind spot is mind-boggling. It clearly does not occur to her that adults—parents who hold views like hers send a clear message to their children about inequality—for LGBT kids, they hear intolerance,

You give her too much credit Pam, I think she’s entirely aware.

Comment #6: typist  on  10/22  at  11:15 AM

Forced sex, childhood sexual abuse, dating violence, early unwed pregnancy, substance abuse—could these be a more important factor in the increased suicide risk of LGBT high schoolers than anything people like me ever said?

Thank you for asking.  Yes, your words cause all the above.  The first three are things that are done TO kids, especially LGBT ones, and the last two are reactions/consequences.

People like Gallagher hide behind freedom of speech and “they’re only words”, and refuse to accept that those words have influence. She’s just another bully hiding behind Bible. She reminds me of that guy on the radio in “Hotel Rwanda” screaming, “Kill the cockroaches!”; he may not have picked up a weapon himself, but he’s just as guilty, if not more so.

Comment #7: NobleExperiments  on  10/22  at  11:22 AM

What do you expect from the woman who thinks we need a bunch of overpaid talking heads running around the country “promoting marriage,” even though we’ve already got a multibillion dollar wedding industry and 10,000 years of patriarchy doing it for them?  Who waves her wedding ring like a brand of superiority over those horrible Un-women who haven’t had a MAN put a RING on their FINGER yet…

Comment #8: Sour Kraut  on  10/22  at  11:29 AM

I think to her sexual and physical abuse and subsequent pregnancy and drug abuse are just further moral failings of LGBT kids. She probably thinks homosexuality or transgenderedness is caused by child sexual abuse. WTF is “forced sex?”

Comment #9: snobographer  on  10/22  at  11:33 AM

@8 - Imagine if those resources were spent on something that actually needs promoting and defending, like human rights or school lunches or something.

Comment #10: snobographer  on  10/22  at  11:36 AM

What’s her husband’s name?

Why’s she running around with a nameplate that says “Mrs. Maggie Gallagher”?  It should be “Mrs.  Owner-Of-Margaret Gallagher”.

And she should be home, barefoot, pregnant or caring for her children, and in the kitchen baking a pie.  She’s got no business being out in public.  That’s man’s work.  Women’s work is in the home.  Women’s work is what makes a house a home, after all.

Traditional marriage rules RULE!  How can she advocate for traditional marriage if she can’t live it?

Comment #11: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  10/22  at  11:42 AM

Caren, wiki says her husband is Raman Srivastav. Some furner. And she didn’t take his name like a proper lady.
She’s Mrs. Raman Srivastav.

Comment #12: snobographer  on  10/22  at  11:52 AM

“Why’s she running around with a nameplate that says “Mrs. Maggie Gallagher”?  It should be “Mrs.  Owner-Of-Margaret Gallagher”.”

From Wikipedia: “A former unwed mother, she married Raman Srivastav in 1993 and has two children.”

I’m thinking she should be called Oframan, but since I guess she isn’t technically a handmaid, but a wife, maybe not. 

OTOH, she got pregnant out of wedlock, so maybe she really can’t be considered a full wife under the laws of Gilead, so maybe Oframan is best after all…

“And she should be home, barefoot, pregnant or caring for her children, and in the kitchen baking a pie.  She’s got no business being out in public.  That’s man’s work.  Women’s work is in the home.  Women’s work is what makes a house a home, after all.”

And when she exits the spotlight, maybe she can take Phyllis Schlafly, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, and any other of the do-what-I-say-not-what-I-do chorus of hateful women on the Right with her…

Comment #13: MikeEss  on  10/22  at  11:59 AM

This is actually something that I wonder about. How can we prevent the children of bigots from becoming bigots themselves? Its a serious problem. Having horrible views and imparting them on to your children isn’t necessarily child neglect or abuse, if only for the fact that generating a consensus about what views constitute horrible. Somethings are obvious bigotry, like homophobia, racism, or sexism, but other positions are a bit more ambiguous like teaching your kids that monogamy is better than polyamory. Legtimate or bigotry against people in polyamorous relationships? It also probably amounts to a violation of the First Amendment to charge a parent with child abuse for teaching bad things to their kids since the First Amendment is pretty indiscriminate with what speech it protects.

  At the same time, this is how the next generation of bigots is created and the next generation often engages in actions that cause bodily, emotional, or mental harm upon their targets and too often death, either directly or indirectly by bullying them to suicide. This needs to be prevented at all costs.

    The only solution that I’ve come up with is that the public schools need to act as a sort of counter for any bigotry that kids might learn at home and teach the importance of tolearance and equality. The media also has a responsibility in this, its something they actually do even if they do it imperfectly. Okay, the last part is debatable still. It isn’t a perfect solution but it might very well work for countering the bigotry kids might learn from their parents for most kids.

Comment #14: Lee  on  10/22  at  12:09 PM

No, no, Mike. We should be admiring her for her courageous willingness to wear heathen drag and sacrifice her burning desire to stay home cooking and cleaning, just so that she can get her important message out to the public. We should never imagine that she wanted a high-paying career, piles of public recognition and other people taking care of drudgery while she travels, talks and writes. It was all forced on her by the need to refute those evil gay people. In fact, I’m sure there was a scene where god called to her, and she begged him not to place the burden of money and fame on her shoulders, but his command swayed her to accept the holy mission of getting more non-typical kids harassed and beaten up.

I guess once you’ve accepted the sky fairy thing in its literal entirety, denying the laws of cause and effect everywhere else in the world is pretty easy.

Comment #15: paul  on  10/22  at  12:10 PM

She’s Mrs. Raman Srivastav.

Fair enough—out of respect for her zealous defence of traditional marriage, that’s how I’ll refer to her from now on. Should go over like gangbusters with her fellow bigots.

I sincerely hope none of her children turn out to be homosexual—it would be poetic justice, to be sure, but that’d be nothing compared to the psychological warfare they’d endure with that hateful pile of misery of a mother.

Comment #16: Gracchus.  on  10/22  at  12:15 PM

The unintended pregnancy comes from intense peer pressure for gay kids to prove they’re not gay, so they rush off and have hasty unprotected sex with whatever opposite sex partner that they can find. Ask how many gay kids had a sham relationship or sham hook-ups before coming out. My sister was unfortunately on the other side of one. It’s one of the clearest examples of the consequences of homophobia that can’t be blamed on the ‘insidious, harmful gay lifestyle,’ it really weakens her position by including it.

Comment #17: JilliefromChile  on  10/22  at  01:09 PM

“It’s one of the clearest examples of the consequences of homophobia that can’t be blamed on the ‘insidious, harmful gay lifestyle,’ it really weakens her position by including it.”

Fortunately for her (but not for us), recognizing how that undermines her position requires logic, reason, and compassion, and since those are qualities sorely lacking among her intended audience, she’s safe…

Comment #18: MikeEss  on  10/22  at  01:22 PM

Has Gallagher - excuse me, Mrs. Raman Srivastav - said or written anything that makes sense since 2002?

Comment #19: Jake Squid  on  10/22  at  01:22 PM

She made sense in 2002!?

Comment #20: alysia  on  10/22  at  01:36 PM

Has Gallagher - excuse me, Mrs. Raman Srivastav - said or written anything that makes sense since 2002?

Oh I’m sure none of it made sense, but this is a case of a hatemonger doing the rhethorical equivalent of shouting “fire!” in a crowded theater, then throwing her hands up when people got trampled to death.

She incited bullies to violence, then tried to distance herself from the consequences of inciting them to that violence. 

Here’s what time it is, Mrs. Raman Srivastav:  “Your words have consequences and trying to blame high rates of teen pregnancy does not negate your responsibility for the actual harms that resulted from those hateful statements that came out of your filthy sewer of a pie-hole, dig?”

Comment #21: Mezosub  on  10/22  at  01:38 PM

JilliefromChile at #17, I was about to point that out. One of my former co-workers had a child at 15 because of the intense pressure to prove that he wasn’t gay.

So, yeah, in addition of having blood on her hands, Maggie is also responsible for “kids having kids” as her ilk are so fond of saying.

Comment #22: elena  on  10/22  at  02:17 PM

I sincerely hope none of her children turn out to be homosexual—it would be poetic justice, to be sure, but that’d be nothing compared to the psychological warfare they’d endure with that hateful pile of misery of a mother.

One of my friends pointed out that, given the size of Fred Phelps’ extended-family (which comprises the entirety of his “church”), odds are at least one of them is gay.  How truly awful life must be for such a kid.

Comment #23: CalliopeJane  on  10/22  at  02:30 PM

She made sense in 2002!?

Yeah.  Once upon a time her arguments actually followed some kind of discernible logic.  She used to maintain at least an internally consistent logic to her wrongheaded attempts to hide her bigotry. 

Was it on The Volokh Conspiracy that her grasp of logic entirely disintegrated?  I think so, but it’s been a long, long time.

Comment #24: Jake Squid  on  10/22  at  02:35 PM

Do I have blood on my hands?

Yes. Thanks for playing.

There’s little I hate more than the “I’m oppressing you for your own good” crowd.

Except maybe the execrable Mike Adams, who wrote a shameless false equivalency piece about how Christians were being driven to suicide due to gay persecution. Only they weren’t.

Then he goes on to blame the gay kids for their own suicides because they weren’t Christians (as if he knew their religious beliefs).

Some people, there just aren’t enough times you could punch them in the face.

Comment #25: Egnu Cledge  on  10/22  at  03:03 PM

Then he goes on to blame the gay kids for their own suicides because they weren’t Christians (as if he knew their religious beliefs).

Just going by the It Gets Better videos (which are absolutely fascinating), a huge amount of the emotional abuse forced on these kids is because they are Christians (or otherwise religious)—and their religions tell them that they are lower than dirt.

Comment #26: Molly, NYC  on  10/22  at  04:26 PM

And there is a survey out now showing just how much damage churches are doing. A majority of the respondents said that all religions are intolerant toward gays. Most evangelicals (naturally) didn’t see anything wrong with their church’s views. But a big majority of Catholics said their church was intolerant.  It may be easier for Catholics to see the truth since priests screaming “gays are evil” while molesting children really clarifies who is actually evil and who isn’t.

Of course one of this morons kids is gay. Isn’t that how it always works? Look at Anita Bryant and Phyllis Schafly. I don’t know who said it, but the horrifying thought that one of Phelp’s kids might be gay is enough to make me start believing and praying again for someone to come and rescue that poor kid from his/her awful environment.

Comment #27: serious bette  on  10/22  at  04:48 PM

Thanks, Jillie.  I’m afraid that was some of my privilege showing there, since I never thought of having to have a sham relationship for survival purposes.

Comment #28: speedbudget  on  10/22  at  05:00 PM

28: speedbudget - Me too. At first I was thinking, “how is teen pregnancy an issue for lesbian and gay kids?” and then a couple comments into the thread, I was reminded of what I wasn’t considering. But it makes me wonder how that would have occurred to somebody like Mrs. Raman Srivastav. I think to somebody like her, being LGBT and subject to “forced sex” and teen pregnancy are all just points on a degenerate slut spectrum.

Comment #29: snobographer  on  10/22  at  06:44 PM

early unwed pregnancy

For real?!!!

It’s really rich to hear someone worrying about unwed pregnancy in people to whom she is actively working to deny marriage rights.

Or does she honestly think the situation would be improved if the gay teens would form mixed-gender marriages with people to whom they’re not attracted, including people who’ve raped them or people with whom they’d had sex solely due to social pressure to pass for straight?

Blood on her hands? She’s ignorant enough to think it’s soap.

Comment #30: Kyra  on  10/22  at  08:54 PM

I just realized, I know of more Republican colluders that kept their maiden name than liberals. Yet another case of IOKIYAR, I imagine. Or maybe it’s where I live…

Comment #31: kaje  on  10/22  at  09:25 PM

Or does she honestly think the situation would be improved if the gay teens would form mixed-gender marriages with people to whom they’re not attracted, including people who’ve raped them or people with whom they’d had sex solely due to social pressure to pass for straight?

I am increasingly under the impression that that’s exactly what she did in her own life, except the teen part.

Comment #32: Lymis  on  10/23  at  04:27 PM

I can totally see how teens would get pregnant trying to prove they’re not gay, like the examples described here, but I’m really, really sure that’s not what she meant. She just wants to say that gay people are promiscuous, period. Not interested in logic.
I used to have a friend who told me he was against gay marriage and gays adopting children, but really, he wasn’t a bigot, he was just using logic and protecting his own interests: if kids discover that gay people exist they’d learn that sex exist and start doing it, and then get pregnant. Then the teen pregnant girls would start sucking government benefits and live from welfare and that’d raise the taxes he’d have to pay. Perfectly logic.
Also note that this ex-friend had just told me a week before this conversation about the foursome he had in a hotel hot tub with 3 other guys, but that’s ok, cos he wasn’t flaunting it in front of the childrens, he went to a complete different city where no one knows him to cruise for guys, and in public he behaves appropriately with his girlfriend who doesn’t even know he’s bi.

Comment #33: colorlessblue  on  10/23  at  07:42 PM

it would be almost amusing to see/hear/read how these shitbrains tie themselves in knots to justify their douchebaggery if it wasn’t so damn infuriating.

Comment #34: Danica Lefse Queen  on  10/23  at  08:58 PM

@34 - All you have to do is go to some place bigots hang out and listen to them talk. Or watch Fox, if you can stomach it.

What’s always gotten me about homobigots is their “concern” about gay people (men of course) molesting children (boys, natch) while ten times as many heterosexual guys molest girls (and some boys, by the way) and they can’t be bothered to give a crap.

Comment #35: snobographer  on  10/23  at  10:04 PM

I just realized, I know of more Republican colluders that kept their maiden name than liberals.

Danielle Crittenden, who refuses to write under her proper married name of Mrs. David Frum, once wrote an article - I kid you not - about how women who don’t change their names when they marry aren’t really married.

Comment #36: mythago  on  10/24  at  11:53 PM

@mythago

Cut her some slack.  Would you want to be really married to David Frum?

Comment #37: Atheist, A Feminist  on  10/25  at  12:22 AM
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