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Obama signs exec orders returning transparency to government

Let me say it as simply as I can:  Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency. Our commitment to openness means more than simply informing the American people about how decisions are made.  It means recognizing that government does not have all the answers, and that public officials need to draw on what citizens know.  And that’s why, as of today, I’m directing members of my administration to find new ways of tapping the knowledge and experience of ordinary Americans—scientists and civic leaders, educators and entrepreneurs—because the way to solve the problem of our time is—the way to solve the problems of our time, as one nation, is by involving the American people in shaping the policies that affect their lives.
—President Barack Obama, 1/21/2009, in remarks delivered in his welcome to senior staff at the White House

Can you believe it - an administration that actually believes in oversight? I just received this in my inbox from the administration press office about executive orders that President Barack Obama signed today.

A breath of fresh air…

The President today signed two Executive Orders and three Presidential Memoranda.  These five documents represent a bold first step to fulfill his campaign promises to make government more responsible and accountable, to launch sweeping ethics reform, and to begin a new era of transparent and open government.

Read details about the orders after the jump.

Across the country, families are tightening their belts in this economic crisis, and so should Washington. That is why in the Presidential Memorandum Regarding Pay Freeze the President has announced that he will freeze his White House senior staff pay at current levels to the full extent allowed by law.  This will enable the White House to stretch its budget to get more done for the country.  The President and his staff recognize that in these austere times, everyone must do more with less, and the White House is no exception. [NOTE FROM PAM: the press office elaborated and said that the freeze applies to those making $100K or more.]

The American people also deserve more than simply an assurance that those coming to Washington will serve their interests. They deserve to know that there are rules on the books to keep it that way. In the Executive Order on Ethics Commitments by Executive Branch Personnel, the President, first, prohibits executive branch employees from accepting gifts from lobbyists.  Second, he closes the revolving door that allows government officials to move to and from private sector jobs in ways that give that sector undue influence over government.  Third, he requires that government hiring be based upon qualifications, competence and experience, not political connections.  He has ordered every one of his appointees to sign a pledge abiding by these tough new rules as a downpayment on the change he has promised to bring to Washington.

In the Presidential Memorandum on Transparency and Open Government, and the Presidential Memorandum on the Freedom of Information Act, the President instructs all members of his administration to operate under principles of openness, transparency and of engaging citizens with their government.  To implement these principles and make them concrete, the Memorandum on Transparency instructs three senior officials to produce an Open Government Directive within 120 days directing specific actions to implement the principles in the Memorandum.  And the Memorandum on FOIA instructs the Attorney General to in that same time period issue new guidelines to the government implementing those same principles of openness and transparency in the FOIA context.

Finally, the Executive Order on Presidential Records brings those principles to presidential records by giving the American people greater access to these historic documents. This order ends the practice of having others besides the President assert executive privilege for records after an administration ends.  Now, only the President will have that power, limiting its potential for abuse.  And the order also requires the Attorney General and the White House Counsel to review claims of executive privilege about covered records to make sure those claims are fully warranted by the Constitution.

Thank god/dog/FSM. An end to the secret unchecked government of Darth Cheney.

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Posted by Pam Spaulding on 06:38 PM • (60) Comments

That’s so good that it hurts.

I still love the “Okay, I’m President now, so if it’s still processing from my predecessor it gets reviewed now, effective immediately, kthxbai.”

Comment #1: Atheist Feminazi  on  01/21  at  06:46 PM

Three Cheers!

Comment #2: Zifnab25  on  01/21  at  06:46 PM

IP MASKER: KILLSCRIPT

Comment #3: DogBreath  on  01/21  at  06:51 PM

Imagine that. A Constitutional Presidency. McCarthy must be spinning in his grave.

Comment #4: JollyRoger  on  01/21  at  06:52 PM

In the Presidential Memorandum on Transparency and Open Government, and the Presidential Memorandum on the Freedom of Information Act, the President instructs all members of his administration to operate under principles of openness, transparency and of engaging citizens with their government.

being prezident: ur doin it rite

Comment #5: Alex, FCD  on  01/21  at  07:10 PM

Hmm…

Second, he closes the revolving door that allows government officials to move to and from private sector jobs in ways that give that sector undue influence over government.

How precisely does he do that?  That looks like a difficult thing to decree just off-hand.

Comment #6: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/21  at  07:16 PM

Second, he closes the revolving door that allows government officials to move to and from private sector jobs in ways that give that sector undue influence over government.

This whole thing is a delicious, moist five-layer cake of responsibility, but that part is the creamy, culpable icing.

Comment #7: cyrano  on  01/21  at  07:23 PM

How precisely does he do that?

Magic.  Also, by requiring his employees to sign this:

“1. I will not, within five years after the termination of my employment as a senior appointee in any executive agency In which I am appointed to serve, lobby any officer or employee of that agency.

“2. In the event that I serve as a senior appointee in the Executive Office of the President (`EOP’), I also will not, within five years after I cease to be a senior appointee in the EOP, lobby any officer or employee of any other executive agency with respect to which I had personal and substantial responsibility as a senior appointee in the EOP…

You can read the whole thing at http://ethics.iit.edu/codes/coe/us.gov.eo.12834.html

Comment #8: Alex, FCD  on  01/21  at  07:31 PM

How precisely does he do that?  That looks like a difficult thing to decree just off-hand.

He’ll probably put in a minimum two-year, two-way waiting period between working in a compliance role in a particular industry vertical and working in a Federal agency that regulates said vertical. Think of it as a variation of a corporate non-compete clause, or a waiting period to cash in on stocks when one’s company is acquired—keeps people somewhat honest and avoids the kind of self-dealing we saw with Cheney and the rest of the Bush crony capitalists.

I knew Obama would move quickly, but wow—exceeding expectations and walking the walk already.

Comment #9: Gracchus  on  01/21  at  07:37 PM

No wonder <a >I’m proud to be an American again</a>.

Anyone got a cigarette? I need one after all the political porn I’ve ingested these past 30 hours.

Comment #10: jurassicpork  on  01/21  at  07:45 PM

Feels good to have the adults in charge again, doesn’t it?

Comment #11: Ben D.  on  01/21  at  07:46 PM

It’s been interesting trying to predict what this administration will do in the coming years, and I think we’ve got a pretty good indication of what we’ll see as priorities.

On the good side, a return to compliance with the constitution, rule of law and the Geneva conventions; the return of competant scientists to major administration roles, rather than partisan political hacks, and the general immediate halt to the beurcratic policies corrupting the regulatory watchdogs.

On the middling side, I think he’s still pushing for some pretty moderate economic solutions to the current banking crisis, which I’m worried might not be enough to stave off a Depression.

On the downside, I don’t think we’ll see anything resembling healthcare socialization, a push for gay rights, or a move away from the faith-based nonsense. On the other hand, even the downside is an improvement over actively trying to oppose these areas or make them worse. Worse though, I don’t think we’ll see too much in the way of draw-downs in our military adventures, nor any attempts to actually prosecute the ourtgoing administration for their crimes. This last one galls me the most.

I hope to be shocked in a positive way in the coming years, but don’t really expect it.

Ok, that’s my rain on the parade. This is still a vast improvement over the past 8 years!

Comment #12: Left_Wing_Fox  on  01/21  at  07:55 PM

Feels good to have the adults in charge again, doesn’t it?

Yes. And adults who understand that they’re there to serve the taxpaying citizenry, rather than plunder them.

Comment #13: Gracchus  on  01/21  at  07:56 PM

Left_Wing_Fox—

Re: gay rights. I think the stupid “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy will end at least.

Comment #14: Ben D.  on  01/21  at  08:04 PM

Yes, I love that the wage freeze applies to senior/high-salaried staffers only.  Because the administrative assistants, tech assistants, household staff, and so on have their belts plenty tight enough already.

Comment #15: JupiterPluvius  on  01/21  at  08:07 PM

Why does DogBreath hate democracy so much?

Comment #16: Ms Kate  on  01/21  at  08:09 PM

Okay, okay ... that first bit had me in tears.  Its like a cold gushing stream in the middle of a long hot bike ride or hike.

If only we could also get this from our secretive, “do you know who I am” (yes, stupid) local government.

Comment #17: Ms Kate  on  01/21  at  08:12 PM

Links to docs?

Comment #18: keshmeshi  on  01/21  at  08:19 PM

he requires that government hiring be based upon qualifications, competence and experience,

Wow!  The last of the Regency U idiots!  No more Horse Racing Assn assholes running FEMA!

Not unless the next GOPer comes in and explicitly writes an order allowing incompetence and graft.

I love my new Black Overlord!  Can we haz declassified documentd and FOIA back?

Comment #19: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  01/21  at  08:39 PM

Keshmeshi:

I linked to one of them above.  This: http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/2001/11/eo-pra.html is the Bush executive order which Obama overturned.  Can’t seem to find any copies of the memoranda, though.

Comment #20: Alex, FCD  on  01/21  at  08:41 PM

Uh…Yes we can!  vanished from the end of my post.

It doesn’t make sense without it, since, you know, we can haz it now.

Comment #21: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  01/21  at  08:45 PM

Five years before getting a job as a lobbyist to the office you used to work at? Good. Better would be ten years before being a lobbyist to any government office at all, but I guess we’ll take what we can get.

Comment #22: BlackBloc  on  01/21  at  08:52 PM

So… the unforgivable betrayal which was inviting Rick Warren to speak at the inauguration - it’s forgiven now? Or are we still supposed to be wailing about it - I can never keep these things straight.

Comment #23: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/21  at  08:55 PM

Phoenician can only understand constant praise or constant criticism. If different actions warrant different reactions, we’re being hypocrites, I guess.

Comment #24: Jenny Dreadful  on  01/21  at  09:01 PM

Phoenician can only understand constant praise or constant criticism.

Uh-huh.  Or, you know, I’ve observed adults playing practical politics before in the NZ sphere, and recognised that Obama is an adult.

I made three predictions regarding the Warren affair.  I’m amused to see the first has come true; I look forward to seeing the other two come true as well.

At least Pandagon didn’t wallow in the victimhood as much as other supposed “progressive” blogs. The commentators here are, by and large, mature.

Comment #25: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/21  at  09:35 PM

when I heard these reported, I was driving down I95.  I am sure people around me thought I’d freaked out or was in some fit of road rage.  They could see me banging on the dash but they couldn’t hear me shouting YES! YES! YES we can!

The NPR reportage, btw, was not shy about putting in an Obama sound bite that made it smack-in-your-face clear that this was an act undoing the dumb and despicable Bush policies.

Hallelujah!

Comment #26: greensmile  on  01/21  at  09:37 PM

Phoenician: you are right and you are wrong.  I have worked at DoD contractor’s shops since 9/11/2001 and I have worked with ex-military who used to buy the products they were subsequently selling.  And how did they get around a pile of regulation and FAR rulings against such things?  the culture of the administration was indifferent.  Now it won’t be…or so goes the claim.  The only moral difficulty in this stipulation that Obama has reinforced is that the regulators and the regulated, the purchaser and the seller,  share a huge number of job skills and experience so only being allowed to work one side of the cash register in your career cuts out a lot of employment opportunities.  To the morally impaired who think torture is fine etc, there are all sorts of complexities in this idea of conflict of interest that can be used as back doors.  I think Obama just said “fuck that”.

Comment #27: greensmile  on  01/21  at  09:50 PM

Wow. first order of business is to unravel the tangle of corrupt threads all the way back to the bad old days of the Reagan years, and do the forensic work that Clinton sadly shirked.  Time to dig up the bastards’ deadly secrets, and topple that 900 foot St. Ronbo idol the goopers have erected.

Sadly, a lot of real fringe kooks will take this to mean that Obama will validate their Quaint Phantasies

Comment #28: Big Bad Bald Bastard  on  01/21  at  09:52 PM

Hey Big - I have to admit that if I were president, I’d be compelled to find a spare moment to at least ask what the hell the deal is with UFOs, Area 51, the “little grey men”, and all that crap.  I wouldn’t be able to pass up the opportunity smile

Comment #29: Joshua  on  01/21  at  10:03 PM

I don’t claim to hold any ownership over my handle, but I’d like to point out that the keshmeshi asking for links to docs is not the keshmeshi you’ve all come to love, hate, or tolerate.

Comment #30: keshmeshi  on  01/21  at  10:05 PM

Five years is more than one presidential term of office. Makes it pretty likely that people won’t be lobbying about the very same stuff they put in motion.

The line about only hiring based one qualifications and competence makes me both moderately happy and terribly sad at the same time. It’s like a new police commissioner issuing an order that there will be no more beatings of handcuffed prisoners.

Comment #31: paul  on  01/21  at  10:32 PM

Does this mean Obama is planning to fire and prosecute Jack Bauer? Jack’s a real guy, you know.

Comment #32: Michael  on  01/21  at  10:38 PM

“Jack’s a real guy, you know.”

...not anymore.  The Bushites took their version of “reality” with them…thank god…so Jack Bauer can return to simply being the cartoon figure he always was…

Comment #33: MikeEss  on  01/21  at  10:54 PM

Holy Mother of God!  He’s the real deal!  I mean, I hoped he was.  I voted for him because I thought he might be but HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!  He is!  I’m going to go gently weep now for all that we have lost and in gratitude for what we just found.

Comment #34: BadKitty  on  01/21  at  10:55 PM

Can you believe it - an administration that actually believes in oversight?

It’s not just that. It’s an administration that actually believes that they work for us, not the other way around.

I know one thing for sure, though: a brief synopsis of a couple of executive orders and presidential memoranda has never before made me mist up just a little bit. And this was just the first thing that Obama did as president.

Comment #35: Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster  on  01/22  at  12:01 AM

I remember waking up the day after Clinton was inaugurated.  It was the first time I’d voted for a president and won.

Gag order repealed, stem cell research allowed, among other things.

It was like waking up in a sci fi show, after 12 years of Reagan/Bush.

It’s not SF now.  It’s getting my country back.  And paul nailed it above…it about makes me cry to realize that he had to write into law that people need to be hired due to their qualifications and experience.

Somebody misses New Orleans.  We didn’t have to lose it…you know, had someone with even a smidgen of experience been in charge.

5 years between working and lobbying?  Awesome.  Why wait or hope for Congress to ever pass a law that would go against Congresscritter interests?  Just nip it at the top.

So far, I’m liking my President.  He’s a centrist; he voted for FISA; he let that doof Warren on air—>so I KNOW he’ll tick me off sooner or later.  But today?  Today,  I’m very proud of my President.

Comment #36: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  01/22  at  12:11 AM

My teary point came when my son ... MY NOT QUITE 13 YEAR OLD SON ... greeted me at the door with “guess what Obama is doing ... he’s starting to shut down GITMO! and ...”  then he filled me in on all of the day’s events.

The kid can’t imagine that waving his arms at the dinner table will result in a near future with a wet table - but he sure as hell knows that this is about HIS future, and the good news started right away.

Comment #37: Ms Kate  on  01/22  at  12:20 AM

Think Progress is quoting Rush Limbaugh as saying the following:

What I’m afraid of is that what Obama did with this executive order is actually make it easier for the media to go get Bush documents. Because you know Pelosi and some of the guys over in congress are talking about war crimes trials and charges and so forth. […]

What I’m afraid of is what Obama’s done here is made the gathering of the information for this kind of stuff– This is not American. This is not America. This is not what America does. We don’t– This is Banana Republic kind of stuff.

This is not what America does?  Having our elected officials held accountable to the people is not what America does? 

What?  Anybody over a certain paygrade gets to do fuck-all without consequence?

What the hell does he think America is?  Fucking Fox/Pravda Goons really do think we’re Soviet Union Lite.

Comment #38: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  01/22  at  12:29 AM

PiaToR:

neener neener i can’t hear you you big meanie-head!

wait. i’m sorry. you said that we WEREN’T children.

well, damn, where’s the fun in that?

(i’m sorry, i am giddy with happy. so i am being silly, and i rather like PiaToR’s commentary, usually. as my dad used to say, i tease you because i am too immature to actually be able to say i like you :p )

Comment #39: denelian  on  01/22  at  12:31 AM

My very own right-wing Dad referred to these orders today as “draconian.”

He was listing them off and including shutting down Gitmo.

I felt I had to remind him who Draco was, and why putting an end to that particular human rights atrocity seemed the very opposite of “draconian” to me.

Comment #40: Mark Foxwell  on  01/22  at  12:35 AM

Caren:

i have re-read that Limbaugh quote like eight times. i STILL cannot figure out what he thinks or is tryin to say. it’s the second paragraph. it’s just… what the hell?

can i ask for a direct link to it? i am trying to read all the Machiaveli for class and don’t really have the time to search for it right now. if you don’t have the link anymore i will look for it tomorrow.

Comment #41: denelian  on  01/22  at  12:36 AM

denelian:

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/21/limbaugh-foia-bush/

Think Progress has the clip; you can play it (I can’t b/c my speakers died, but they had a transcript).  I won’t even go to Rush’s site, so start there.

Comment #42: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  01/22  at  12:48 AM

This is not American. This is not America. This is not what America does. We don’t– This is Banana Republic kind of stuff

Is he talking about the pursuit of material for war crimes prosecution, or about the very unAmerican, undemocratic, Banana Republic kind of stuff that Bush and Cheney have pulled for years without consequence?

Comment #43: Ms Kate  on  01/22  at  12:57 AM

What I’m afraid of is that what Obama did with this executive order is actually make it easier for the media to go get Bush documents. Because you know Pelosi and some of the guys over in congress are talking about war crimes trials and charges and so forth.

This is a feature, not a bug. I’m all for trials and recriminations and pointing fingers. ‘specially now that a Certain Someone isn’t in a position to pardon them all.

Comment #44: kaninchen  on  01/22  at  01:35 AM

thank you, Caren! omw over there now smile

Comment #45: denelian  on  01/22  at  01:38 AM

Why shouldn’t it be easy for the media, or any citizen, to get “Bush documents”?  Why don’t we have the freedom to see what our elected representatives are doing?

Perhaps some time-sensitive material or troop locations should be blacked out, but if the President is free to wiretap every single one of us, why can’t we listen in on his conversations?  Quid pro quo?

It only matters if you’re guilty, anyway, right?  So what does W have to worry about.  It’s not like he admitted torture like Cheney did.  Cheney can’t leave the country anymore (W never wanted to).  They’ll be Pinochet-ed.

Comment #46: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  01/22  at  01:41 AM

Hey… one of my crazy right wing “friends” on facebook was whining about the global gag order being repealed today, but I’m not seeing it anywhere on any feminist blogs.  Is my friend just freaking out and assuming the “worst”? or is it actually TRUE?  If not I hope he gets to that one tomorrow.

Comment #47: JEA  on  01/22  at  01:51 AM

What I’m afraid of is that what Obama did with this executive order is actually make it easier for the media to go get Bush documents. Because you know Pelosi and some of the guys over in congress are talking about war crimes trials and charges and so forth.

Let freedom ring, you contemptible, boot-licking motherfucker!

It’s good to see that liberty is an enduring principle rather than a passing fad. It’s good to see The People pull their own country back from the brink. It’s good to see the President begin cleansing the stain that is GITMO. It’s good to see alleged war criminals being investigated for their actions, and held accountable for their deeds.

It’s good to see America acting like a “good guy” again – like an ally rather than a potential enemy. I wouldn’t have believed such a reversal were possible if I hadn’t seen it with my own eyes.

Comment #48: The Devil's Advocate  on  01/22  at  05:43 AM

”  What I’m afraid of is that what Obama did with this executive order is actually make it easier for the media to go get Bush documents. Because you know Pelosi and some of the guys over in congress are talking about war crimes trials and charges and so forth.”

Let freedom ring, you contemptible, boot-licking motherfucker!

Be fair, DA.  Limbaugh has his own experience about being fairly prosecuted by a prosecutor on a witchhunt for people breaking laws, justly applying the power of the State to crack down on criminality and forcing people AGAINST THEIR WILL into court.  It’s natural for him to have sympathy for those who might also find themselves in such a situation.  Well, assuming they’re also rich and white, of course.

Comment #49: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/22  at  06:56 AM

Is there an executive order conclusively defining the Vice President as part of the executive branch. Because, you know, that was Cheney’s straw man. That he wasn’t.

Comment #50: Bo  on  01/22  at  11:27 AM

Why does DogBreath hate democracy so much?

What ARE you talking about? I looked and found nothing in this thread. Are you on drugs?

Comment #51: Angst  on  01/22  at  11:27 AM

You know what?  I think we dun elected ourselves an idealist!

Comment #52: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  01/22  at  11:53 AM

I made three predictions regarding the Warren affair.  I’m amused to see the first has come true; I look forward to seeing the other two come true as well.

Let’s try this interpretation:

Prediction 1 was true no matter what since “gay rights” are only brought up in the MSM to hurt the left.  Since in this case the gays were actually right (Warren is a bigot who helped pass Prop 8 and his invitation by Obama echoes Clinton’s legacy of DOMA/DADT), the media basically let Warren’s actual appearance slide.

Prediction 2 might have occurred on its own or not, but thanks to the very vocal outcry over the Warren selection it is much more likely to happen now.  (Remember that Obama lost an entire news cycle over it, which was pretty rare during the campaign.)  And people will feel vindicated:  they made themselves heard and finally the government in some respect will stop going out of its way to harm them.

Prediction 3 would happen because the people who called Obama will feel vindicated, not just placated.

The Warren debacle was a wake-up call to everyone that Obama really means what he says when he’s reaching across the aisle.  That’s great for a lot of issues, particularly regarding the economy and the military, because we won’t be able to get anything changed without buy-in from the other side.  However, it sucks hard on civil rights issues because the GOP believes that no one but them should have any.  It was also an eye-opener to see how far the “Obama’s always right” crowd will go:  if anything Obama’s supporters (which includes me) should be very scared of rhetoric about our Brilliant New Decider.

All that said, I’ll be very happy to see something concrete happen that positively affects LGBT on a national scale, but expecting any kind of apology over the Warren outcry is beyond the pale.

Comment #53: KL  on  01/22  at  12:03 PM

Why does DogBreath hate democracy so much?

What ARE you talking about? I looked and found nothing in this thread. Are you on drugs?

Sometimes comments get deleted, genius.

Comment #54: The Other Will  on  01/22  at  12:10 PM

Yeah, PIATOR, on your “three points”: If Obama is in fact a political ju-jitsu master and let’s be frank, he’s pretty good at it, then the loud public outcry over Warren was something he was counting on. This way he appears to be reaching across the aisle, the MSM was forced to admit the existence of gays and keep the story of sickening oppression in the news cycle and Obama is shown to be genuinely pressured by a massive backlash of gay rights supporters.

Thus when he turns around and supports basic, well-supported, anemic protections for gay people, the narrative will not be how he’s rejecting the will of the people to hate fags, but that he is merely responding to the massive swell of public will.

Personally, I’m not sure he’s that awesome, but I also know that Obama called upon each and every one of us to ride his ass. The opposition is mainly motivated by seeing hippies and liberals suffer these days. It is a literal requirement that we call him out when he is going against us and give him support when he supports us and to fight for our own rights so he can follow. Without those actions, he can’t maintain his appearance of bipartisanship and reactions to events, and thus won’t have to fight an uphill battle against republicans and conservative democrats and a lazy MSM listening only to the loudest moron and instead can save those fights for the really tricky times like when he has to go against corporations or the super rich and he will.

It’s all great and well to say that we should mellow out and give him a chance, but the truth is, we’ve done that, listened to that advice and gotten nowhere. The lesson learned by Obama is that we need to fight and be visible, get it out there and make it heard. Even if it means raking him over the coals and calling him out on stupidities or even “politically expedient” crap. Because the reason that Warren became “a force necessary to placate” was by being loud and turning his mediocre and minority share of people into a loud whiny force. We need to do a little of the same to be heard.

On the return of ethics and FOIA? Woooo! That wasn’t something I was expecting so quickly and a welcome sign of things to come. If the Warren crap was a deliberate distraction for this, keep inviting him to slur his speech on the White House or get some of the Republicans to sponsor bills selecting their home college football teams the best evar or something so we can get more of this.

Comment #55: Cerberus  on  01/22  at  12:34 PM

Obama doing the right thing = good.

Not proving that the last @#!! had no right to do it in the first place = not good, not good at all.

We need to do more than do the right thing, now.  We need to establish firewalls agains the next Rethug cycle (it will come sooner or later).

Comment #56: Magis  on  01/22  at  02:41 PM

PIATOR,

There’s a glitch in your system, there. You (smugly, it appears) seem to feel that if Obama does something dramatically good for gay people, then all the people who complained about the Warren invocation will have to eat their words, or be ashamed, or admit they are hypocrites, or whatever.

That doesn’t follow. Someone can do the wrong thing, or a bad thing, in one situation, and later do the right thing, and the people who objected to the wrong don’t have to pretend it didn’t happen.

I think it would be an error, based only on what we’ve seen so far, to claim that the outcry against Warren would be the sole reason for any later progress - especially since Obama has had public policy statements in place all along. But the reverse is not true. Sitting quietly and worshipfully and NOT objecting to real or perceived wrongs simply would contribute to any tendency toward complacency.

Comment #57: Lymis  on  01/22  at  04:45 PM

There’s a glitch in your system, there. You (smugly, it appears) seem to feel that if Obama does something dramatically good for gay people, then all the people who complained about the Warren invocation will have to eat their words, or be ashamed, or admit they are hypocrites, or whatever.

No, I think that they were right to object to the Warren choice, but that the level of that objection went way over the top and lacked perspective.  The cries about “betrayal”, especially, irritated me; I have no brief for Warren and no desire to defend him, but people need to keep a sense of perspective.  Obama has to cater to a large number of constitutencies, and choosing Warren served a purpose beyond merely pissing off the LGBT and allies.  You disagree?  Fine, say so, but don’t make it out to be a bigger deal than it is.

I believe that Obama will do something positive for gay rights during his first term.  I also believe that the people who were, dare I use the word, hysterical about some shaman speaking for a couple of minutes will quietly forget just how over the top and hurt they were acting about such a fucking triviality.

Which is why I mention the NZ Greens.  They’re a model for working constructively with people they have other disagreements with (i.e. Labour) to effectively push their agenda.

Comment #58: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/22  at  08:25 PM

How about some transparency in BHO’s personal history.  His school records, medical records and original birth certificate would be a good place to start.

Comment #59: Direwolf  on  01/22  at  11:39 PM

Thank you, Direwolf, for reminding us of something.

The right wing indeed does have their own version of a secular loony. Not all right wing loonies are christian fundies.  We have Direwolf here, of the fake-birth-certificate conspiracy here to demonstrate. Months and months later, there are still people going on about that! I honestly thought that meme was dead.

Then again, we still have the Clenis obsessives that believe Vince Foster was murdered.

Amazing!

Comment #60: melaka  on  01/23  at  02:05 AM
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