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On economic populism and rookie sexist mistakes

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How appropriate.  At the Guardian's CIF, I put up a piece about what it means to lose John Edwards as a figurehead of populist liberalism in the wake of his scandals.  I don't write much at all about Edwards, because invariably it means people project a lot of their more personal feelings about him and his campaign onto me because of the whole situation where I got a job with his campaign and then resigned because of attacks from the pedophila-excusing Bill Donohue.  (Who I just saw quoted in another piece in the New York Times recently!  He could rape a bunny on live TV and then eat it while its heart slowly stopped beating and people would still call him up to comment on various Catholicism-related stories.)  Please check it out; it's mostly about how Edwards had an opportunity to be the pro-labor conscience of the Obama era, and he screwed the pooch and there's not been another person who can really step into his shoes. 

In more ways than one, it turns out.  Because one reason I was eager to back Edwards was there was no conflict in his campaign between the three tiers of modern liberalism, which often do fight each other.  I see the three as:

1) Economic justice. This is labor movements, anti-poverty initiatives, fair taxation, health care reform, social services, government that is functional, etc.  Anything that helps secure the middle class, bolsters the economy, and lifts people out of poverty.

2) Social justice. Feminism, anti-racism, gay rights, anti-colonialism, things like that---anything that divides people against each other on the basis of identity hierarchies.

3) Environmentalism and rationalism.  Preserving the planet, promoting science, basically using the now to work towards a better tomorrow.

Obviously, a smart person sees how these are interrelated and that you really fail at anti-racism if you don't think about poverty and that you're not a good environmentalist if economic justice isn't part of your worldview, and you're not an effective feminist if you treat science like it's a lark.  I can think of a million other examples, but sadly all of them tend to happen over and over again.  Edwards was smart about weaving social justice issues in with economic justice issues. So I liked that.  And I fear that there's just not enough prominent leadership out there doing that anymore, even though I can think of many people who aren't that prominent who do so effortlessly.

Instead, we get Ed Schultz calling Laura Ingraham a "slut".  Now, Laura Ingraham is a racist piece of shit, sure.  She's the wart that fell off a toad. Listening to her talk is like trying to bring santorum-stained sheets in to your dry cleaner and look him in the eye, except worse somehow.  She makes the world a worse place every time she talks.  But she is not a "slut", because a "slut" is a woman who is immoral because she enjoys sex too much or has many partners.  And "sluts" do not exist, because there is nothing wrong with women liking sex or liking sex with lots of people.  

You can, then, why the high hopes have been dashed.  Is it so hard to have leaders who can speak out on economic justice while not making rookie mistakes like that?

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 05:34 PM • (50) Comments

Oh, for fuck’s sake.  Is it really so terribly, terribly hard to think “Hmm, this insult wouldn’t work without using the target’s gender, ethnicity, skin color, family structure, sexual orientation, etc. as a pivot and should thus probably be avoided.” and then focus on whatever it is they’ve actually done instead?  It’s not like there’s a staggering lack of fodder in most cases.

Comment #1: preying mantis  on  05/25  at  06:22 PM

There are going to be a lot of “liberals” defending Schultz. It makes me sick even thinking about that.

Comment #2: Steve LaBonne  on  05/25  at  06:33 PM

It’s like Joekim Noah on the Bulls.  There are dozens of names he could have called that heckling fan that wouldn’t have been a $50,000 fine.

Seriously—there are many many words out there and many more that can be coined to insult an offensive, ignorant, arrogant person.  Using gender, sexual orientation and race needs to stop.

Comment #3: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  05/25  at  06:54 PM

Maybe it’s not a mistake , maybe he genuinely hates women and thinks that the ones who have sex are disgusting creatures. I doubt it is the first time he sad something like this..

I was a diehard Edwards fan since 2004, but this shit pisses me off so much I’d like to spit on his grave. Its weird that the DOJ is actually going after him though, weren’t we looking forward not back? Or did that only apply to Republican criminals?

Comment #4: bay of arizona  on  05/25  at  06:58 PM

He said ‘talk slut’ - I guess by that definition every hate yakker is a slut. But it is a double standard. Is Rush Limbaugh a “Talk Lothario”?

I think there’s only one category of right wing attack where you get to ‘go there’ and that is when someone like Roger Stone (the ‘swinger’ and right wing ‘operative’) starts hanging scarlet letters on people - Elliot Spitzer got some of the treatment from RS.

I think then, the person’s sexual depravity is fair game.

It’s hard to scrape together any sympathy for LI, but even if you accept that there could be a ‘slut’ and that they are bad kind of person (Marcotte is saying the category doesn’t exist at all), does LI qualify on any grounds?

I’m not defending Schultz, but I do think he was just being glib.

Nonetheless, a counter-productive slur that has changed the narrative from naked hypocrisy (It’s great when Bush travels overseas, strengthening our bonds with allies is his number one job (five seconds goes by)... Obama’s traveling overseas? HOW MUCH IS IT COSTING ME!!!!! He’s just vacationing because black people are always stealing) to a story about how liberal men are mean to women.

He’s going to have to walk this back, and it’s going to hurt him.

Comment #5: KingElvis  on  05/25  at  07:02 PM

Let’s not forget that Schultz started as a Limbaugh-wannabe.


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Comment #6: spork_incident  on  05/25  at  07:12 PM

“He’s going to have to walk this back, and it’s going to hurt him.”

Really?  How much could it possibly cost to say “Last night I called Ms. Ingraham a slut.  I shouldn’t have done that, and I apologize.  Calling her that was juvenile and lazy.  I should have taken the time to say what I actually meant, which was that she is [insert two-minute diatribe of fair accusations that don’t reference immutable traits, because god knows she’s a horrible enough person to fill two minutes without resorting to sexism, race-baiting, or the like].  I will do my utmost to avoid repeating this mistake, and I apologize to anyone else I may have inadvertently offended by using such an inappropriate insult.”?

Comment #7: preying mantis  on  05/25  at  07:17 PM

I have watched Schultz a few times, but quit pretty quickly when I caught him misrepresenting opposing arguments in bad faith, or just ignoring parts of those opposing arguments because it would require a more nuanced view.  He really does seem like a Limbaugh of the left.

I am never, ever surprised when liberals show sexism.  I have seen too much of it in my life to think it’s just up and disappeared.  Unless a liberal has already made his or her feminism public, you just can’t tell.

Comment #8: oldfeminist  on  05/25  at  07:31 PM

I’m no die-hard Edwards fan - I wasn’t even sure I was going to vote for him, but I probably would’ve - but I’ve really been annoyed by the “blame the victim” game that always comes up concerning him. Edwards did not “screw the pooch”—he was deliberately targeted and made an example of by the Wall St thugs for daring to stand up for the American working class. And b/c he was a Democrat they were happy to find and use a completely inconsequential sex scandal to destroy his career with. It’s exactly they same thing they did to Clinton and Spitzer, and just as with them the whole point wasn’t to draw some Big Moral Lesson™ about the evils of adultery; it was to send a message to anyone thinking of standing up for justice and the rule of law that they will ground you to a bloody pulp using the flimsiest of pretexts.

Comment #9: Geocrackr  on  05/25  at  07:33 PM

As far as Schultz goes, I’ve never seen his TV show but I did listen to his radio program once in a while and he struck me as your basic party-line Democrat. I heard him doing the hippy-punching routine more than a few time, so fuck him.

Comment #10: Geocrackr  on  05/25  at  07:52 PM

“He really does seem like a Limbaugh of the left.”

If you are going to use that term, use it because Schultz had a right-wing past and probably still has a secret right-wing agenda.  He literally tried to be like Limbaugh.  But to say that anybody is somehow a liberal equivalent of Limbaugh is stupid.  It would be like calling MLK the black George Wallace.  We need to stop the false equivalency of those on the left and right.

As for the term “slut”, I have heard liberals use the term “whore” a lot to describe conservatives, both male and female.  But the term “slut” IMHO pretty much has only a female connotation, I’ve never heard of a “male slut”.  Men are “sleazy.”  So I think “slut” should be avoided in discussion.

Comment #11: Albert Cirrus  on  05/25  at  08:12 PM

Geocracker @9: Nevertheless, Edwards probably could have kept it in his pants, or at the very least worn a condom. It’s too bad, cos I liked his stances on all the issues. And it’s not as if the Republicans don’t all have mistresses. But them’s the rules: the corporations own all the media, so a liberal who wants to make it big has to keep it in his pants.

Comment #12: felagund  on  05/25  at  08:17 PM

Hence the “blame the victim” aspect. I find that argument specious b/c not only is it a completely inconsequential and private matter, but if he hadn’t been fooling around the Wall St thugs would’ve just blown up some other completely inconsequential matter into “ZOMGHOWCOULDHEDOTHAT?!?!?!”

Comment #13: Geocrackr  on  05/25  at  08:24 PM

if he hadn’t been fooling around the Wall St thugs would’ve just blown up some other completely inconsequential matter into “ZOMGHOWCOULDHEDOTHAT?!?!?!”

And they did.  Anybody remember Whitewater?

 

Comment #14: Rachel Tyrel  on  05/25  at  08:39 PM

Amanda - thanks for articulating why I supported Edwards.

Comment #15: Xecklothxayyquou Gilchrist  on  05/25  at  08:54 PM

I completely agree with Ed Schultz’ positions on economic justice and his defense of American labor, and I sometimes like how fired up he gets in calling out the conservative movement’s efforts to screw over 90% of the country in favor of the wealthiest 2% of Americans.

That doesn’t change the fact that he’s an obnoxious blowhard, nor does it excuse him for being a sexist tool in characterizing the loathesome Laura Ingraham. MSNBC is doing the right thing by suspending him without pay.

Comment #16: DTGslu2K  on  05/25  at  09:05 PM

I’m no die-hard Edwards fan - I wasn’t even sure I was going to vote for him, but I probably would’ve - but I’ve really been annoyed by the “blame the victim” game that always comes up concerning him. Edwards did not “screw the pooch”—he was deliberately targeted and made an example of by the Wall St thugs for daring to stand up for the American working class. And b/c he was a Democrat they were happy to find and use a completely inconsequential sex scandal to destroy his career with. It’s exactly they same thing they did to Clinton and Spitzer, and just as with them the whole point wasn’t to draw some Big Moral Lesson™ about the evils of adultery; it was to send a message to anyone thinking of standing up for justice and the rule of law that they will ground you to a bloody pulp using the flimsiest of pretexts.

I’m not sure I completely agree with that in regards to Edwards. His extramarital affair with Ms. Hunter wasn’t revealed until AFTER he had dropped out of the race, so the idea that he was targeted to take him out of politics is a bit of a stretch. Clinton was the president and Spitzer was the NY governor when their scandals went public, but Edwards was just a guy who had just lost the Democratic nomination for the second and probably last time in his career when his scandal broke. Even without the scandal, it’s pretty likely that Edwards political career - at least in terms of serving in public office - was already over.

In terms of taking away his voice from the public discourse, I agree that the scandal destroyed him. He very well could have been named to Obama’s Cabinet or been given a strong media presence as a regular commentator on MSNBC or CNN without the scandal, but he was never going to be president once he lost the primary in 2008. Anyway, my point is that his situation isn’t precisely parallel to the what happened with Clinton and Spitzer.

Comment #17: DTGslu2K  on  05/25  at  09:16 PM

I expected better, he failed to deliver. He had to shoehorn that word in, too. There are precious few political contexts where it would even remotely make sense, let alone be the best, funniest, or most accurate choice available - merely one of the most offensive re: how she was born, as opposed to the person she’s decided to become since then.

#7 He really needs to do this. I bet I can find some clip of him mocking the non-apology apologies of others, and deservedly so.

Comment #18: Selena777  on  05/25  at  09:26 PM

Albert: I’ve no reason to suspect Schultz of having an ulterior motive, but even back when he was on the radio on Boston’s Air America affiliate (i don’t remember who they bumped to put him on), he reminded me far too much of Rush Limbaugh for comfort. On the one hand, I kind of liked having someone like that on our side, but on the other hand, I think liberals in general don’t respond well to that kind of programming. Too much like the other side, not enough wonk.

Comment #19: BrianX  on  05/25  at  10:01 PM

“He’s going to have to walk this back, and it’s going to hurt him.”
Really?  How much could it possibly cost to say “Last night I called Ms. Ingraham a slut.  I shouldn’t have done that, and I apologize.  Calling her that was juvenile and lazy.  I should have taken the time to say what I actually meant, which was that she is [insert two-minute diatribe of fair accusations that don’t reference immutable traits, because god knows she’s a horrible enough person to fill two minutes without resorting to sexism, race-baiting, or the like].  I will do my utmost to avoid repeating this mistake, and I apologize to anyone else I may have inadvertently offended by using such an inappropriate insult.”?

WOW.

Schultz is right now offering his direct apology to Laura Ingraham and to his audience, and what he’s saying is nearly verbatim what you just wrote up there. He apologized to Ingraham, his family, his wife, MSNBC and said that what he did was the lowest of lows and that what he said was completely indefensible and blatantly sexist. He’s nearly in tears.

Comment #20: DTGslu2K  on  05/25  at  10:05 PM

I never liked Edwards, going back to 2004 when he rolled over for Cheney in the debate (his performance was just horrible), and a guy who never saw a free trade treaty he didn’t like as a Senator from North Carolina turning into some champion of the rustbelt when he’s running for President is laughable. When he actually had a power, he was a straight down the line DLCer. Look at his voting record in the Senate. I don’t know how in the hell he pulled off his con with so many liberals.

Comment #21: Ben D.  on  05/25  at  10:27 PM

And there’s nothing wrong with being more conservative to win in NC,what’s annoying is a lot of the progressives who loved Edwards are also those that would, for example, want to primary Claire McCaskill because she isn’t liberal enough (nevermind she represents Missouri). It’s not a 1:1 ration, but there’s a lot of overlap.

Comment #22: Ben D.  on  05/25  at  10:33 PM

And there’s nothing wrong with being more conservative to win in NC,what’s annoying is a lot of the progressives who loved Edwards are also those that would, for example, want to primary Claire McCaskill because she isn’t liberal enough (nevermind she represents Missouri). It’s not a 1:1 ration, but there’s a lot of overlap.

There isn’t a big movement here in Missouri to primary Claire McCaskill. She’s certainly proven that she’s not a progressive (she ranks among the most conservative members of the Democratic Senate caucus), and a lot of progressives here have been disappointed about that, but it’s doubtful that she’ll face a serious primary challenge.

That said, she is in serious trouble next year, and unless the Obama Campaign makes winning Missouri a priority (choosing Charlotte over St. Louis for the 2012 DNC didn’t help that), she could very easily wind up losing her seat. Just a hunch, but I think that her victory or defeat will directly align with Obama’s victory or defeat here. Missouri went red in 2008, but it was the absolute closest state in the nation, and the results weren’t made official until more than a week after the election, long after all 49 other states had certified their results. McCain beat Obama by a little more than 3,000 votes out of nearly 3,000,000 that were cast here - roughly a 0.1% margin of victory.

Comment #23: DTGslu2K  on  05/25  at  10:56 PM

Your “three tiers of modern liberalism” set out the issues nicely, and the obvious but rarely discussed conclusion is that these are not separate issues at all: they are problems of capitalism, and a unified critique of capitalism addresses all of them. We’ll never get than from the Democratic party, because the Democrats are just as invested in perpetuating the system as the Republicans are.

Comment #24: Maris  on  05/25  at  11:20 PM

@bay: yes, looking forward and not back is only about Republicans.  This is Obama we’re talking about, a man with a pathological need to harm his allies and support his enemies.

Comment #25: Punditus Maximus  on  05/25  at  11:49 PM

His apology: http://youtu.be/VP_d4J0LeYE

I can’t defend him, wouldn’t want to, and am glad he made it so no one has to. Is the punishment of a week off correct? Too much? Too little? Who knows. But it’s a good contrast to all the non-apology apologies I’m used to.

Bonus points for not using “if anyone took offense”. But he still gets a failing grade for the day.

Comment #26: 3letterjon  on  05/25  at  11:55 PM

I don’t watch him and never have so I have no prior impression, but imo that was a very classy apology.

Comment #27: bomberE  on  05/26  at  01:13 AM

Ed Schultz’ apology at the start of his show tonight:

“On my radio show yesterday, I used vile and inappropriate language when talking about talk show host Laura Ingraham. I am deeply sorry, and I apologize. It was wrong, uncalled for and I recognize the severity of what I said. I apologize to you, Laura and ask for your forgiveness. It doesn’t matter what the circumstances were. It doesn’t matter that it was on radio and I was ad libbing. none of that matters. none of that matters. What matters is what I said was terribly vile and not of the standards that I or any other person should adhere to. I want all of you to know tonight that I did call Laura Ingraham today and did not make contact with her and I will apologize to her as i did in the message that I left her today. I also met with management here at MSNBC, and understanding the severity of the situation and what I said on the radio and how it reflected terribly on this company, I have offered to take myself off the air for an indefinite period of time with no pay. I want to apologize to Laura Ingraham. I want to apologize to my family, my wife. I have embarrassed my family. I have embarrassed this company. And I have been in this business since 1978, and I have made a lot of mistakes. This is the lowest of low for me. I stand before you tonight in front of this camera in this studio in an environment that I absolutely love. I love working here. I love communicating with all of you on the radio and the communication that I have with you when i go out and do town hall meetings and meet the people that actually watch. I std before you tonight to take full responsibility for what I said and how I said it, and I am deeply sorry.”

Following the apology, the show began with MSNBC’s Thomas Roberts guest hosting, which he will presumably be doing for the remainder of Schultz’ suspension period. Just an aside, Thomas Roberts is the second cable news network personality to come out publicly as gay.

STATEMENT FROM MSNBC REGARDING ED SCHULTZ:

MSNBC management met with Ed Schultz this afternoon and accepted his offer to take one week of unpaid leave for the remarks he made yesterday on his radio program. Ed will address these remarks on his show tonight, and immediately following begin his leave. Remarks of this nature are unacceptable and will not be tolerated.

Schultz is still a putz for even saying that in the first place, but I respect him for actually talking full responsibility and ownership for his words and for offering to take an unpaid leave because of it. Compared to most other apologies I’ve heard in these sorts of situations, this one actually seemed fairly genuine.

Comment #28: DTGslu2K  on  05/26  at  05:05 AM

#19

There are very few conservatives-turned-liberals who have successfully never gone back to the dark side.  For example, Huffington after becoming “liberal” has been caught not paying her bloggers despite getting a shitload of money from AOL, very greedy of her.  Charles Johnson despite “leaving the right” still has not repented over his smear of Dan Rather and he also still bashes Palestinians time to time.  Ed Schultz IMHO has made it harder for liberal radio in general for true liberals and deep down he is doing this on purposely to sabotage us.  And it’s a shame that he was the one to get a show on MSNBC, in a way they were looking for Olbermann’s replacement all along.  Olbermann was 100 times better than Schultz could ever be.

Comment #29: Albert Cirrus  on  05/26  at  08:08 AM

“Edwards did not “screw the pooch”—he was deliberately targeted and made an example of by the Wall St thugs for daring to stand up for the American working class. And b/c he was a Democrat they were happy to find and use a completely inconsequential sex scandal to destroy his career with. It’s exactly they same thing they did to Clinton and Spitzer, and just as with them the whole point wasn’t to draw some Big Moral Lesson™ about the evils of adultery; it was to send a message to anyone thinking of standing up for justice and the rule of law that they will ground you to a bloody pulp using the flimsiest of pretexts.”


THIS.  I was having arguments with people all day yesterday about this.  The Bush administration is off the table, we’re obviously not doing a damned thing about Wall Street nearly destroying the world’s economy AND callously betting against us to they could make even more money, but this guy stuck his penis in the wrong woman and lied about it.  We need to go after him first.

Comment #30: Blitzgal  on  05/26  at  08:30 AM

Ed Schultz IMHO has made it harder for liberal radio in general for true liberals and deep down he is doing this on purposely to sabotage us.

I don’t see that this is supported by the facts at all. Schultz has always been a “firebrand” (aka “blowhard”) and he gets very worked up. Yes, what he said was wrong. He apparently knows it and issued an actual apology and is off taking a time out. But *no one* on the left has been more in support of the working class and unions. No one on the radio and the disco ball knows, no one actually elected to the House or Senate has stood up for workers and unions (not the same thing, and Schulz knows this) to the same degree or the same intensity as Schultz.

He’s a straight male in this society and so, yep, he’s sexist. He made a horribly sexist statement and he’s apologized. He is a “true liberal” in his support of workers and—unfortunately—he’s a common straight male liberal in his ingrained sexism. That he is often unclear on the points that Amanda has outlined is his privilege.

Let’s not go the “no true Scotsman” approach to who is a “true liberal.” I’m guessing Schultz has learned a lesson this week. As a male I can tell you, I had to run straight into the wall of these sorts of lessons myself on my journey (and still will). Learning can be hard, especially for those of us privileged enough to not realize there are more lessons to learn.

Comment #31: Vir Modestus  on  05/26  at  08:51 AM

There are very few conservatives-turned-liberals who have successfully never gone back to the dark side.  For example, Huffington after becoming “liberal” has been caught not paying her bloggers despite getting a shitload of money from AOL, very greedy of her.  Charles Johnson despite “leaving the right” still has not repented over his smear of Dan Rather and he also still bashes Palestinians time to time.  Ed Schultz IMHO has made it harder for liberal radio in general for true liberals and deep down he is doing this on purposely to sabotage us.  And it’s a shame that he was the one to get a show on MSNBC, in a way they were looking for Olbermann’s replacement all along.  Olbermann was 100 times better than Schultz could ever be.

You make some very good points here, but I get the feeling that you actually think Schultz is secretly playing for the Red Team… to undermine the Democratic Party? That’s a little paranoid, I think. Schultz is quite often a doofus and a blowhard, but I seriously doubt he’s an agent provacateur who is only pretending to be a liberal to try to undermine the party. Truthfully, I don’t think he is intelligent enough to even pull such a thing off effectively.

I see no evidence that Schultz isn’t a liberal advocate for the working class, and although he went full-blown misogynist the other day, I don’t think that is in any way indicative that he’s secretly a Republican only pretending to be a Democrat. He’s a bit of a patriarchy-reinforcing douche, but he’s our patriarchy-reinforcing douche. And although I love me some Keith Olbermann, he too has also been a bit of a sexist blowhard at times.

Do you think Markos Moulitsas and Cenk Uygur are also secret GOP plants? They both considered themselves loyal Reagan Republicans in the 1980s, but I have a pretty hard time believing that either one of them will ever go back to the dark side.

Comment #32: DTGslu2K  on  05/26  at  08:57 AM

The original definition for slut was the noun to the term “slatternly” which meant lazy, unkempt, slobbish, etc. So a slut was someone (usually a women, I think—so not gender-neutral) who lived like a pig.

I doubt he was using that definition.

Regarding Cenk—he’s interesting to watch because a) his smugness, and b) the fact that he really is selectively reporting and spinning to a left-wing agenda. When I watch, loyal liberal that I am, I don’t really get pleasure out of it because I don’t like being so ham-handedly spun to, but I find it interesting to see “what it’s like” to have someone spoon-feeding you party talking points with such righteous self-assuredness.

When I watch Maddow, I definitely get that she has a personal bias, but I see that she’s twisting the facts or selectively reporting to make the news fit her narrative. Cenk and Ed are a lot closer to being the “liberal version of Fox News” than the rest of the lineup it seems.

Comment #33: Mighty Ponygirl  on  05/26  at  09:07 AM

Ariana Huffington didn’t get “caught” not paying bloggers on her site. She just plain never paid for their work. She didn’t steal their work, either. She just published it, with proper by-lines, on The Huffington Post. I really don’t understand that controversy. People who gave their work away for free to someone who profited? Maybe it’s because I would demand money to work as a writer, but I don’t have a lot of sympathy for those demanding a bigger cut of the money they never arranged to get in the first place.

At least Snooki and Company had the sense to demand a change in a contract they actually had.

Comment #34: 3letterjon  on  05/26  at  09:07 AM

she’s obviously a good, decent, successful, interesting person.

Someone forwarded me some stuff on Ingraham while she was at Dartmouth and the CAP. This just further proves to me that she is a racist. How can anyone support this lady?

I’ve followed Ingraham’s career since she was on the Dartmouth Review, with Dinesh D’Souza. She was sued by one professor, an African American, whom she called a “brillo−head” in print. She printed a transcript of a meeting of Dartmouth’s gay students group, after sending a reporter there incognito with a wire.

As editor of Prospect, the magazine of Concerned Alumni of Princeton, she went after Princeton’s female and minority students with a vengeance, and in the same vein. She was despised by the Princeton community as a carpetbagger.

I’ve written about her and CAP for some time, particularly a year ago when Judge Alito was up for the Supreme Court. Alito had been a member of CAP when she and Dinesh were editors, around 1984−86. She told reporters last year that CAP had
never opposed women and minorities at Princeton, when that was its founding purpose, which it declared in print. But CAP was not anti woman, she said, because they had hired her! (Dinesh said it wasn’t anti−minority, because it had hired him!)

In fact, CAP’s principals could not find a Princeton alum to edit Prospect after its founding editor left, and had to bring in carpetbagger/mercenaries for 10 years
until its well−deserved death in the summer of 1986. Ingraham was CAP’s last employee. She and Dinesh destroyed it.

http://www.lauraingrahamsucks.com/2009/03/laura-ingraham-sued-by-black-professor-at-dartmouth-2/

Earlier today, Laura Ingraham attacked Ed Schultz for misogyny on her Facebook page, stating: “Now I’m tempted to insert one additional zing–about men who preach civility but practice misogyny.”

But as Media Matters noted on May 5th, Laura Ingraham attacked the appearance of Janet Napolitano, the director of homeland security. Ingraham compared looking at Janet Napolitano to looking at “gruesome” pictures of Osama Bin Laden.

All you have to do is clance over this site to see that Laura Ingraham has a long history of misogynistic statements against women.

http://www.lauraingrahamsucks.com/2011/05/ingrahams-misogyny-hypocrisy/

Lib, I think you picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

 

Comment #35: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  05/26  at  10:02 AM

The important thing re: Schultz is that, as Amanda pointed out, it was a *mistake* - he acknowledged it, apologized, and censored himself.  Every once and a while, people make mistakes.  People say things in the heat of the moment that they know are wrong.  It’s not a failure of the movement.  In a way, it’s a success, because we have prominent people acting like adults and accepting responsibility for what they do - and at the same time creating awareness that using sexist language is bad.

Schultz is my least favorite MSNBC primetime host, but I think I respect him a little more after this.  Yes, I’m disappointed that one of our guys screwed up on the air, but I’m glad that he showed some spine and set a standard for other talk radio/TV hosts.

(And regarding Edwards - he always struck me as a smarmy, insincere asshole.  There are a lot of progressives who can talk policy and have the right ideas; we didn’t need *that* one.  Sorry, Amanda.)

Comment #36: Dave Fried  on  05/26  at  10:06 AM

Oh please, Shultz is no liberal leader, he’s an overpaid circus clown who makes an ass out of himself almost nightly.  I admire his spunk but he comes off as an inauthentic pretender like Limbaugh.  I think
the tee-vee overemphasizes too many trivial things most people really don’t care about. I’m in my late 40s and very few of my friends keep up with the 24-hour news cycle like news junkies do.  The cable news gang is surely headed for the souvenir shop quicker than the compact disc.

Comment #37: elpathos  on  05/26  at  10:27 AM

Agreeing that Schultsz is not a liberal leader and thinking that he has been told he can’t use the term whore [as in talk show whore(s), a fairly common phrase, meaning people who sells their morals - here in public opinion statements].

Comment #38: helen w. h.  on  05/26  at  10:37 AM

And I’m sorry, but Edwards always struck me as the used car salesman who was trying to look down my shirt while getting me to pay for an extra undercarriage protection.  You know, a sleazy, lying con man telling you what you want to hear.  Charisma he had, sure.
The fact he would have an affair (clearly cheating on his wife as he has not even tried to claim they had an open relationship), without safe sex (I’m assuming here, admittedly), while his wife was likely again dying of cancer (and putting her life in danger to support his campaign) reinforces this opinion for me. 
He clearly was not really a feminist nor an honorable person of any sort.

Comment #39: helen w. h.  on  05/26  at  10:48 AM

Do I have to mention how distrubed I am that I agree even half with Libertarian? 
LI, however, is not a nice person or a good role model for little girls.  She has said things that indicate very strongly that she is, in fact, racist and more interested in making money by tearing down othr women, people less fortunate than herself, anyone who can’t “pull themselves up” as she did.

Comment #40: helen w. h.  on  05/26  at  10:59 AM

I’m surprised at the sympathy for Edwards, who ran for President knowing full well he was hiding a secret that would shatter his candidacy and cripple his party.  Word is reporters following him on the campaign trail knew about his affair and chuckled to themselves about his arrogance & naivety.

I’m sure making noises about protecting the working class made him a target, but—like Spitzer—he was stupid enough to hand his enemies his own head on a plate.  The treatment of Clinton over Lewinsky should have put every Democrat (IOKIYAR) from Bangor to Sacramento on notice that they couldn’t afford even the appearance of infidelity.  Not that the wingnut media machine cares about the truth, but Edwards has been universally radioactive ever since the scandal broke.  Imagine if he had won the nomination.

Also, what Ben D. said about the VP debate.  Edwards had the opportunity to hammer Cheney on corruption and torture on national TV and instead just smiled and pulled his punches.

Comment #41: Sour Kraut  on  05/26  at  11:35 AM

I really couldn’t believe the Edwards thing at first, it is unforgivable to me that he was doing that while running.  Yes, what IF he had won, he would have crippled the party, its insanity.

I like Ed because he is not afraid to argue the point, he reminds me of the “old-time” democrats but this type of stuff is the problem with “old-time” anything.  Just argue the points people, democrats will win on that alone so don’t try to be “like Fox”.

Comment #42: ewellone  on  05/26  at  12:14 PM

In defense of Ed.

Eric Foner, in defending Lincoln against charges of racism, said that we think of racism like we do pregnancy—you either are or you aren’t.  But, he argued, it’s not like that at all.  Instead, people hold varying degrees of prejudice—some have very, very little; others, a lot.  Moreover, the amount of prejudice any of us has changes.  So, some people are working at removing their prejudices; others are working at feeding theirs.  What Foner argued is that what matters the most is not the prejudice, but whether we are working to remove or increase it.  So, he says, by today’s standards, Lincoln could be considered prejudiced.  But, by the standards of his day, he was remarkably unprejudiced.  And, most importantly, he became less and less prejudiced over time. 

So, with Ed.  Does he carry around hateful prejudices against women.  Given our society, it would be quite remarkable if there weren’t a few lurking, but as yet unexamined, stupid ideas in his head.

But, unless we want to walk around perpetually enraged—and I don’t—then the more forgiving way to look at this is to observe how he deals with this eruption of ugliness.  Does he defend it, blow it off?  Or does he, like Homer Simpson, say “D’oh” and then use the incident to scrub his mind of another level of misogyny?

Comment #43: Raenelle  on  05/26  at  02:17 PM

“He really does seem like a Limbaugh of the left.”

If you are going to use that term, use it because Schultz had a right-wing past and probably still has a secret right-wing agenda.  He literally tried to be like Limbaugh.  But to say that anybody is somehow a liberal equivalent of Limbaugh is stupid.  It would be like calling MLK the black George Wallace.  We need to stop the false equivalency of those on the left and right.
Comment #11: Albert Cirrus on 05/25 at 08:12 PM

No, I use the term because he argues like Limbaugh, with misleading statements and lies.  A lifetime liberal who uses those tactics is a Limbaugh of the left.

And I notice that nowhere in his apology does he address the real reason that the term “slut” should never be used.  He is apologizing for calling Ingraham something horrible.  Not for telling women that “too much” sexual activity makes them horrible.

Comment #44: oldfeminist  on  05/26  at  05:59 PM

It sucks that Ed messed up like this because for all his flaws (he can be a blowhard and is often rude to his guests) he really does stick up for working people.  When the protests in WI broke out he was the only national media person covering the story and his coverage was really good.  Having been active in Democratic and progressive causes for years I have learned that affluent liberals can be every bit as elitist and disdainful of working people as their conservative counterparts.  They embrace the same supply side cheap labor middle class destroying economics but they’re socially liberal and favor some welfare programs.  Most of the “liberal” pundits out there are of this mindset which is why much of the writing about free trade and outsourcing from the supposed Left is favorable toward toward those things.  Ed is a refreshingly rare voice for labor.  For a minute a few years ago it looked like Lou Dobbs was becoming a working class champion but then he went full on racist dick.

Comment #45: DonnaDiva  on  05/26  at  06:03 PM

#9 Geocrackr, #12 Felagund, #42 Sour Kraut, etc.

I do believe Edwards was targeted, but not by Wall Street or Corporate America. I think the one who did the targeting was Hunter.

She had a long history of displaying many traits of a sociopath—especially promiscuity, impulsiveness, lack of concern for anyone but herself, lack of a realistic life plan (her stupid reality show idea, believing she would be an actress and that Edwards, among others, would propel her there) and shallow feelings despite constantly going on about how spiritual and deep she was.
Edwards, for all his glib, cloying over-friendliness and growing egomania, is not in the same league. He had, before, displayed a healthy capacity to love, to have conscience, to be down-to-earth and considerate of others. By definition this means he cannot be a sociopath.

But hanging out too much with a sociopath can make you act like one yourself.

While do so few people look at the mistress? Why, incredibly, is she given more respect than Edwards? Is it because she makes a show of being honest? Is it “the Republican effect”—we give someone a pass we expect to be bad, but rake over the coals people who we thought were good and turned out not to be? Is it simply because most people do not understand sociopathy?

And whatever else you find unsavory about Edwards, the fact remains that he wasn’t always this way. Campaign life had gradually made him more prima-donnaish and egocentric… but he didn’t start acting in seriously reckless, idiotic ways until he started hanging around Hunter.

In fact, I think part of what recoils us about him is the fact that this is not supposed to happen to a grown adult. Adults are supposed to be fully-formed, and resistant to radical personality change. The fact that our beloved, who has been a part of our lives for years, can rapidly change into someone we don’t recognize, or even want to recognize; is one of the most frightening prospects imaginable.

Comment #46: Lucy Montrose  on  05/27  at  02:14 AM

While do so few people look at the mistress? Why, incredibly, is she given more respect than Edwards?

Because she wasn’t married to Elizabeth and she wasn’t a Presidential candidate who, had he won the primaries, would have handed the White House to John McCain and Sarah Palin on a silver platter.

Comment #47: DonnaDiva  on  05/27  at  02:22 AM

@DonnaDiva #48:

So that’s reason enough for no one to ask why he may have acted the way he did? Is that what people really believe—since what he did is too egregious and high-profile, there’s no need to explore any further the psychological “why” of what he did?

It kind of makes me sad that I’m the only one who takes the Edwards case this way—as a warning to watch out for shady “mentors” promising health and happiness. There’s evidence that Hunter played a “self-help guru” role in Edwards’ life. (yes, I’m “Frances” in the replies; and yes, even Steve Salerno thinks I’m overintellectualizing a bit, shame)

It’s pretty well-known that self-help gone wrong can foment narcissism. What’s perhaps less well-known is that self-help is one of the main factors that can cause a dramatic personality change in a grown adult, as I mentioned above.

Comment #48: Lucy Montrose  on  05/27  at  09:35 AM

While do so few people look at the mistress? Why, incredibly, is she given more respect than Edwards?

I don’t give a fuck why he did what he did.  What he did was rotten. 
The mistress, if not coerced, is IMO a rotten person, provided she is aware of the man’s situation.
Unless she is also cheating* on someone or betraying a friendship or familial relationship with the wife, she is not anywhere near as rotten as the man.  She is not breaking promises.  She is not willfully putting someone else’s life and property at risk (Edwards’ family financies were as much Elizaeth’s as John’s and would go to pay child support, blackmail; he is putting her health as well as his own at risk having unsafe sex, etc).
*if the Edwards had had an open marriage this would not have been a cheating issue, IMO, just stupid politically and should have included safe sex (wrap it up, every time).

Comment #49: helen w. h.  on  05/27  at  11:07 AM

@oldfeminist #45: I agree with you, but in context that would have been an incredibly fine line for Shultz to walk. When you’re apologizing for calling someone a name, it doesn’t sound very apologetic to explain why the name wasn’t or shouldn’t have been a bad thing to call them. Being right, in this case, would have dragged Shultz into a separate conversation.

Comment #50: catfood  on  05/27  at  10:13 PM
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