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How many ways of wrong is this? CEO of Cinemark, Alan Stock, who gave $9999 to Yes on 8, be allowed to earn one dime on the back of Harvey Milk’s legacy by running Gus Van Sant’s “Milk” in his theaters (it opens wide on Nov. 26)?
If 1,000 of us commit to see MILK at a competitor’s theater instead of Cinemark, at an average cost of $10 per ticket, that’s $10,000 of lost revenue.
Boycotts work. A boycott of a Sacramento theatre company resulted not only in the resignation of a Yes on 8 contributor, but a public apology and donation to Human Rights Campaign! We can do this again.
You can find an alterative theater using the links on the left, and join our facebook group below to spread the word! Help us reach 1000 members so we can send a message to Mr. Stock: YOU WILL NOT PROFIT FROM HATE.
The movie houses to avoid are “Century”, “CinéArts”, and “Tinseltown” theater chains.
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Pam Spaulding on 12:27 PM •
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I don’t see many movies in the theatre these days, and Milk doesn’t qualify as the kind of big-screen fare for which I’ll brave high ticket prices and teenagers. But one thing’s for sure: I’ll be avoiding Cinemark-owned theatres for any movies from now on.
How about “NO” to all Cinemark screenings, not just Milk?
No to all the companies and individuals who supported Prop 8 in California, and no to all the copanies and individuals around the country who helped pass anti-gay legislation.
Also, it’s time to make those states with marriage amendments accountable. Including Georgia, where I live. I’m not sure if it would be possible to boycott all the companies headquartered and doing business in these states, but I’d certainly be willing to try. It’s time to stop footing the bills for oppression.
How about “NO” to all Cinemark screenings, not just Milk?
There was already a call to boycott his theaters - this ups the ante to show that Alan Stock will profit from showing a film about the life of a man who worked for equality. He’s disgusting.
Why $9999 and not 10000? Is it for tax purposes?
I don’t think there are any Cinemark theatres where I live, but if there are I’ll be giving them a miss.
Unfortunately, I think there are only Cinemark theaters where I live. Most of the others have gone under. Netflix, it is, then.
PAT beat me to the punch on asking why $9,999 instead of $10,000.
Porgy: Wouldn’t you think you should at least figure out whether the companies you were going to boycott supported such amendments?
The fact remains that every state but two disallow same-sex marriage, whether by amendment of simple legislation. Are you going to boycott every company not headquartered in Massachusetts or Connecticut?
A boycott of a Sacramento theatre company resulted not only in the resignation of a Yes on 8 contributor, but a public apology and donation to Human Rights Campaign!
Who gives a shit about donating anything to the Human Rights Campaign? Andrew Sullivan’s been detailing what a sham that organization has been for years. They were basically absent on Prop 8.
Are they anything but a drain on the pocketbook of the GLBT community? Moar better charities, plz.
PAT beat me to the punch on asking why $9,999 instead of $10,000.
Traditionally, banks are required to report any transfer equal to or greater than $10K to the government. In this particular case, I can’t see how that matters, but that is usually the rationale for transfering sum just under $10k.
Maybe things have changed, but when I was in the movie business ticket sales money didn’t actually go to the theater (well, a very small percentage did). All the money was in popcorn / soda / candy sales. (That’s why it’s so dang expensive.) So, the actual number of people not buying tickets to cost the theater $10,000 would actually have to be much higher than 100.
I definitely won’t be giving Cinemark any of my money. For all movies, not just “Milk” (which I can’t wait to see!).
Why $9999 and not 10000? Is it for tax purposes?
I’m not sure what the purpose is in this case, but single cash or electronic funds transfers of $10k or more must be reported to the tax authorities in North America. So you’ll often see wealthy people doing $9999 “petty cash” transfers like this for personal matters—it’s almost habit.
The actual donation still had to be reported under separate rules, so I don’t think Mr. Stock was trying to hide anything (or if he was, he’s pretty stupid). None of this changes the fact that he deserves to see the consequences of this donation supporting the Nuremberg amendment.
Dana,
To the extent that it is possible, that would be the way to go. Obviously, it will not work for everything - or even most things - but where possible, buying from those companies that are based in those states would be the moral thing to do. Boycotts of ‘tainted” goods is an established principle. Gandhi spoke out for a boycott of British goods (especially cloth), and his actions put a rather large dent in the British cloth industry. In the 1760s and early 1770s, American colonists also held a massive boycott of British goods. Britain needed Americans to buy goods to cover war debts from the 7-Years War - refusing to do so put a big crimp on that and indirectly led to US independence, since the Revolution added to an already massive debt from the 7YW, courtesy of American patriots refusing to knuckle under. Likewise, US companies are in a pickle right now due to a recession. They are vulnerable due to economic woes, just like the Brits were post-7YW. Hit them with a boycott now, and they will see real quickly that being gay-friendly is good for the bottom-line. I wonder how quickly those anti-gay laws and amendments will last once businessmen start bleating for “relief” from mean ol’ consumers not buying their bigotted products.
It always amazes me that people are dismissive of boycotts and prtests. Those were tools our Founding Fathers used to help found this nation (well, that and shooting the contemporary government in the face). Poo-pooing such behavior smacks of unpatriotic and unAmerican - we were built on very public displays of displeasure and backing that up with shutting government and business down if they opposed the will of the citizenry. That there are not more protests/boycotts for equality and fair treatment and that people don’t full-troatedly support them is an indictment of the naysayers, not the proud, patriotic Americans showing how this nation was born and how it deals with tyranny and oppression.
Phalamir, it seems that boycotts only work well when they are narrowly targeted. For instance, you’re never going to get enough people to boycott Chinese made goods because you oppose their occupation of Tibet. But the kind of boycott Pam is discussing in her post is definitely the kind that can make an impact. However, I am not aware of any Cinemark movie theaters in my area.
There is a move on to boycott Sundance this year also. Being in Utah and all.
Traditionally, banks are required to report any transfer equal to or greater than $10K to the government. In this particular case, I can’t see how that matters, but that is usually the rationale for transfering sum just under $10k.
IIRC the other part of this is that banks are required to do a “suspicious activities” report to the government for unusual behavior. So like if someone who regularly does over-10k transfers suddenly runs off a particular batch of transfers just under the legal limit then they would be obligated to report that. Whereas if a person just habitually handles all their transactions in under-10k sums then they wouldn’t.
I could be wrong about some of this as this is secondhand from family who’s worked for bank branches for a number of years.
I lowered the boom on the screen writer, Dustin Black, based on how he allegedly portrayed Dan White in the film. He responded that a lot of false information was circulating about the film. I told him I would give him the benefit of the doubt and see it before sending further vituperations his way; now I know where I can go to see it, if I can stomach it.
G Porgy: While you are certainly welcome to withhold your spending from any company you wish, keep in mind that people like me-- who voted twice against the marriage amendment in my own state to no avail (thanks to the fucking LDS church bastards)-- will be punished by your boycott. This is particularly bad in my state where the economic problems have hit very hard and most businesses are already laying off employees because discretionary spending is down. I am an ally of the LGBT community regardless but I fail to see how this would help bolster support for a repeal of Prop H8 and other such legislation.
On the other hand, I am all for directly boycotting businesses that we KNOW supported these measures. Make their hate hurt. I will be avoiding Century theaters in the future.
I usually see everything at the Alamo Drafthouse, anyway. I want to see “Milk”, even though it ends so depressingly. Harvey Milk is just a fascinating historical character.
Nice, we have someone that’s such a brutal homophobe he thinks it’s a point of honor to defend a murderer, just so long as his victim was gay. Fuck off, Ost.
I got to run, but please folks let me know if Ost comes back and is nasty. If he continues down the path of flirting with violent fantasies, then I’ll ban him.
So like if someone who regularly does over-10k transfers suddenly runs off a particular batch of transfers just under the legal limit then they would be obligated to report that. Whereas if a person just habitually handles all their transactions in under-10k sums then they wouldn’t.
The banks have to report “smurfing” either way to prevent money laundering—customers are generally given a limit on how many sub-$10k transfers they can do in a given time period.
There is a move on to boycott Sundance this year also. Being in Utah and all.
That kind of broad-brush boycott doesn’t really work. Better if Redford and the other organisers provide attendants with a list of Park City and SLC businesses in which the Church of LDS or other “Yes on 8” donors have a significant equity stake. When a restaurant that’s enjoyed lots of Hollywood business in the past finds itself losing business during a normally busy time, the owners will understand the consequences of supporting Prop 8.
I lowered the boom on the screen writer, Dustin Black, based on how he allegedly portrayed Dan White in the film.
What, you heard they didn’t give Dan White an SFX halo and angel wings whenever he appeared on screen? I assume that an irrational bigot like yourself will settle for nothing less.
Shit. Cinemark has the nicest theaters here, and the newest, a rarity in the carve-up-the-old-theaters-into-shoeboxes movement.
Amanda—I don’t want to get between you and the troll, but Dan White was a seriously disturbed individual, who killed (straight) Mayor Moscone before he killed Harvey Milk. He was one of those losers who blames everyone but himself for his own failures, like the Sunnyvale guy who shot the CEO and two other managers after they fired him. Supposedly Dianne Feinstein was next on his list.
Amanda, you are such a stupid, pretentious bitch.
Did Harvey Milk run afoul of his superiors for supporting black officers? No. Dan White did. Did Harvey Milk save a child from a burning building? No. Dan White did. My grandfather knew Dan White from his days as a SF police officer and he had a favorable opinion of him.
Dan White should not have shot Moscone and Milk (just like they shouldn’t have stabbed him in the back) but that does not erase the good things he did.
“...then I’ll ban him. “
It won’t be the first time. (Nor is it likely to be the last.)
Yeah, and Hitler was a vegetarian (not that this is entirely accurate, but you get the gist).
Ban the asshole.
“Yeah, and Hitler was a vegetarian...”
The two men are not remotely comparable, you noxious mediocrity.
I’m just saying that listing all the times Dan White rescued a kitten out of a tree or whatever doesn’t even come close to canceling out the fact that he murdered two people in cold blood.
“The two men are not remotely comparable, you noxious mediocrity.”
WTF? OBVIOUSLY, asshole, she is comparing you’re stupid observation that charitable deeds outweigh murder.
I should have said “Kater”. Why I assumed it was “she”, I don’t know.
History-mom, I know it isn’t feasible to boycott all the companies in every state with anti-gay laws. Not all people of all those states are homophobic, I know. I live in Georgia and I’m not homophobic and I know lots of people who aren’t. I’m sure that there are homophobic individuals living in Massachusetts and Connecticut as well. It isn’t about individuals though. It’s about civil liberties. It’s about basic rights being denied certain citizens.
Companies in every state with anti-gay legislation should be pressured to get those laws changed. Their employees and customers should be important to them, not just the white Christian straight people either, but all of us. Those that support stripping away civil rights from any group should be boycotted out of existence. That’s what I believe. I certainly don’t want to punish you for my beliefs. I also don’t want to be punished for someone else’s beliefs. If someone wants to take away your rights, I’ll be willing to boycott them too.
I even support allowing the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to have the same rights as the rest of the population. What I am against is their beliefs that they should have certain rights that other people shouldn’t have, like the right to marry whom they please and enjoy the benefits of laws that give certain advantages to people in legal marriages. I feel the same about voting rights and freedom of speech and religion.
You are right about boycotting the businesses that directly support legislation and constitutional amendments, but we can put pressure on other businesses to take a more active pro civil rights attitude.
Dan White should not have shot Moscone and Milk (just like they shouldn’t have stabbed him in the back) but that does not erase the good things he did.
Did he make the BART run on time, too?
Like it or not, this is the legacy Dan White (or maybe a voice in his head) chose for himself—deal with it, or prove us wrong by beating Milk‘s box office numbers with your own major film about your deranged “hero.”
It’s cool, Mark. You guessed correctly.
The whole “stabbing White in the back” business sounds dangerously close to blaming the victims to me. Ban time, please?
“I’m just saying that listing all the times Dan White rescued a kitten out of a tree or whatever doesn’t even come close to canceling out the fact that he murdered two people in cold blood.”
I can bring myself to feel sorry for Moscone, as he was a low-watt bulb (like Amanda & friends). But Milk was a backstabber and a manipulator; he smirked at Dan White and said “too bad,” whereupon Dan White permanently removed the smirk from his face. The world is better off without Milk.
The whole “stabbing White in the back” business sounds dangerously close to blaming the victims to me.
Oh, you know how it is with RWAs—the moment things don’t go their way, they start wheeling out some sort of Dolchstoßlegende to excuse their obnoxious behaviour. What else would you expect from a guy who supports Nuremberg-style laws?
Dan White should not have shot Moscone and Milk (just like they shouldn’t have stabbed him in the back) but that does not erase the good things he did.
Yes, it does.
And maybe James Earl Ray was always polite to his grandmother! We need to have a complete picture of these complex men!
Hitler was not a vegetarian.
He ate plenty of different types of meat, but it was good propaganda to say he personally sacrificed during lean wartime years. Hitler was a lot of things, but vegetarian was not among them.
“And maybe James Earl Ray was always polite to his grandmother! We need to have a complete picture of these complex men! “
James Earl Ray, like Harvey Milk and Amanda Marcotte, never positively contributed to society. (I would categorize them as do-nothing parasites.) By way of contrast, Dan White most certainly positively contributed to society before he shot Moscone and Milk.
“Yes, it does. “
You are welcome to add that delusion to your stockpile.
Ostarius,
Equating actually shooting someone with a gun with rhetorically stabbing someone in the back is almost like saying I can sew your mouth shut because you offend me with your words. But I guess it’s okay in your twisted world.
The whole “stabbing White in the back” business sounds dangerously close to blaming the victims to me.
It is blaming the victim. How dare Moscone appoint a political ally for a position on the Board of Supervisors, rather than a political enemy who had resigned the position and now wanted it back?
I did note that it wasn’t really accurate, jon. I just felt that it was the right phrase to dismiss Ostiarius’ victim complex with.
Yes, Osty! Thrill us with your anecdotes of Dan White donating to the March of Dimes before he assassinated a civil rights leader! That’s the true measure of a man.
“It is blaming the victim. How dare Moscone appoint a political ally for a position on the Board of Supervisors, rather than a political enemy who had resigned the position and now wanted it back?”
Milk, indeed, was a victim--a victim of his tendency to be a conniving pos.
By the way, did you know that it was Milk who opened the doors of city government to Jim Jones? (He probably slept with him, too.)
“...before he assassinated a civil rights leader!”
What civil rights leader? Moscone was a dimbulb mayor and Milk was a mediocre gay man who was on the board of supervisors.
He’s being his usual self.
He’s been nothing but a bigoted, hateful, immature nuisance since first showing up, and has proven time and again that his only tactic is being inflammatory, contrarian, and condescending.
Why wasn’t he banned days ago?
My vote: Ban. NOW.
But Milk was a backstabber and a manipulator; he smirked at Dan White and said “too bad,” whereupon Dan White permanently removed the smirk from his face.
See now, this implies that White killed Milk on the spur of the moment, in his shock and rage that a political enemy would have no sympathy that he wouldn’t be getting back the position he resigned.
However, he later confessed that not only was his murder spree premeditated, he originally planned to kill two other people as well.
Face it: your grandfather was a bad judge of character. Your “hero” was a psychopath who did not snap and go postal one day, but rather deliberately set out to eliminate his political enemies with a gun. The world is better off without him, and for once I hope that Catholic doctrine is correct, because if it is, his suicide guarantees that he’s burning in Hell.
Bigot Boy,
Shut the hell up. Nobody cares about you, you fucking pond scum.
“My vote: Ban. NOW.”
We all know that’s gonna happen as soon as mediocre Amanda returns, hayseed.
Shorter Ostarius: Harvey Milk ate babies! Harvey Milk was on the grassy knoll! Harvey Milk was Keyser Söze!
I’d cry if I weren’t too busy laughing.
“Bigot Boy,
Shut the hell up. Nobody cares about you, you fucking pond scum.”
They have shots for rabies, Damian.
Dan White was a filth, and so are you, Ost. He was an unhinged egoist whose supposed “heroism” was self-promotion. He was a murderer who conspired with his asshole lawyer to pervert justice.
The only just act he was ever a part of was his death by his own hand. I hope yours is as humiliating.
“Chet,”
You don’t know what you are talking about, as per usual.
WTF? Why is fricking Oyster still here? And why is this your goddamn pet project?
It’s my pet project because I have an unfortunate fixation with those who are incurably stupid and their even more brain dead (if that were possible) hangers-on.
Wow, Ostiarus really shit on this thread.
What a pathetic, hateful little turd. I console myself with the fact that he is probably a deeply lonely person, as befits his character.
We all know that’s gonna happen as soon as mediocre Amanda returns, hayseed.
Yes, Ost. We know. You’re a renegade outlaw, speaking Truth to the Power of the Liberal Elite PC Hegemony on Pandagon. You are a true hero of the culture wars - square-jawed, iron-spined and big-balled. No doubt women beg on hands and knees for the privilege of bearing your children. You are a true inspiration to future generations.
Oh, wait, no. All you’re doing is annoying posters on a liberal blog. Under a pseudonym. Somewhat less impressive.
It’s true enough that banks have to report transactions of $10,000 or more—though Elit Spitzer got nailed due to suspicions concerning several near-but-still-under $10,000 cash withdrawals—but it’s difficult to imagine a campaign contribution like this being made in cash; you’d almost certainly have to write a check for this kind of donation, and the payee of the check serves as evidence that it wasn’t for a criminal transaction.
“Under a pseudonym.”
My name is Robert O’Brien and I’ve criticized mediocre Amanda & friends before.
BAN.
HIM.
NOW.
How many more times does he get to sneer and say that everyone else is “OMGZORZ STOOPIDZ” before the point is made?
RAR EVERYWUN MEEDEOKERR
You keep using that word, Assholarius. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Robert O’Brien? Not the Robert O’Brien?
Seraph wrote:
The world is better off without him, and for once I hope that Catholic doctrine is correct, because if it is, his suicide guarantees that he’s burning in Hell.
Catholic doctrine is also pretty hard on people who wish Hell on others. Would you really wish that on anyone?
You don’t know what you are talking about, as per usual.
You know, the funny thing is, I didn’t know the specifics of Harvey Milk’s murder before this thread began. Then you showed up, sprayed your verbal diarrhea all over the thread, and I had to go look it up.
I never knew for sure that such a pathetic, washed-up douchebag was responsible, but now I do. Can’t say that I’m surprised - assassinating genuinely important people seems to be the last resort of pathetic, washed-up douchebags in their desperate attempts to become significant in any way whatsoever. Dan White fits in perfectly in the company of John Hinckley, James Earl Ray, and Lee Harvey Oswald.
Congratulations on educating the public.
In Catholic tradition, Ostiarius is the position of doorkeeper. Why did Robert O’Brien choose this as his pseudonym? It seems a very mediocre position to me.
Neither Moscone nor Milk was important. Both were inept public servants and outside of SF and gaydom nobody cares about them.
Face it: your grandfather was a bad judge of character.
And the apple apparently never even fell off the tree.
You don’t know what you are talking about, as per usual.
Wikipedia:
On October 21, 1985, less than two years after his release from prison, White committed suicide by carbon monoxide poisoning in his ex-wife’s garage by running a garden hose from the exhaust pipe to the inside of his car. The body was discovered by White’s brother, Tom, shortly before 2 p.m. the same day with the Irish folk song “The Town I Loved So Well” playing on a continual loop on the car’s cassette player. He was buried at Golden Gate National Cemetery in San Bruno, California.
Of course, Ost might be confused by the fact that he was buried in the Church, a fate traditionally not
given to those who die by their own hand.
Of course, it’s possible that he was murdered, that would explain why Ost feels so het up on the subject 
Either Bigot Boy goes, or I go.
“BAN.
HIM.
NOW.
How many more times does he get to sneer and say that everyone else is ‘OMGZORZ STOOPIDZ’ before the point is made? “
Calm down you frothing moron. I’m sure Amanda will ban me as soon as she returns from collecting her unemployment check.
outside of SF and gaydom nobody cares about them.
Which is why they made a movie about him.
Wishing for it doesn’t make it true.
Ostiarius, as one of the conservative trolls here, I’ve got to ask: what is your purpose here? Surely you know that you’re not persuading anyone here of anything. OK, you’ve proved your ability to annoy people, but that’s not really much of a talent.
Are you trying to argue that Dan White was some sort of folk hero? If so, you’re not likely to convince anyone of that.
Your posts are kind of like seeing a Proposition 8 protest and yelling “Faggot!” at the protestors. It doesn’t persuade anyone, and maybe it might piss off a few of the protestors, but it doesn’t make you look any better or wiser.
“Which is why they made a movie about him.”
Yeah, for gays.
I’m tired of this fucking shit.
GET RID OF THE BIGOT.
I WANT HIM AND HIS WHOLE FUCKING IP BLOCK GONE FROM THIS SITE, NOW.
Would you really wish that on anyone?
The City of God says that one of the pleasures of the saved in Heaven is watching the torments of the damned in Hell, although I don’t know how much this POV is incorporated into Catholic theology.
“...what is your purpose here?”
To display my disdain for these noxious mediocrities openly.
In fact, forget it. I’m gone. I’m not coming back, nor am I going to link to this bigot-loving shithole again.
Yeah, well my name is Justin Payne, you cowardly shit, and don’t think for a minute that I’ve forgotten what I owe you. Come to Lincoln sometime if you ever have the balls to collect.
“Come to Lincoln sometime if you ever have the balls to collect.”
Or you could come here to San Diego. I don’t have any reason to travel to Lincoln, NE, hayseed.
Dark Avenger, part of the allure of Christianity is being able to imagine the people you don’t like being tormented for eternity. There is a lot of wishful thinking about that in fundamentalist churches, especially the belief that all of us sinners will have to go through tribulation here on earth first then go through the torments of hell while they do whatever it is they expect to do in heaven.
San Diego Robert? Really?
Dana: Apparently, Ostiarius is well-known for his cowardice and getting banned from other blogs:
Nasty little coward who waited until I was out of town to start spewing misogynistic insults at everyone. Petty little bugger.
Apparently, Robert O’Brien also got banned for being stupid (big surprise):
This fellow has an awesome reputation all over the web as one of the dumbest commenters ever. I concur. Has a stupid blog, too. Banned at numerous sites. Mocked everywhere.
If you’re such a brave fellow, why do you wait for the blog hosts to leave before going on your rants? I’ll repeat: pathetic, hateful little turd.
You have a blog Robert? Post us a link. I can hardly wait to read it.
Eh, fuck it, it’s too much fun watching bigots squirm. But if he’s not banned by :00, I’ll know this place isn’t for our kind.
The City of God says that one of the pleasures of the saved in Heaven is watching the torments of the damned in Hell, although I don’t know how much this POV is incorporated into Catholic theology.
St. Augustine’s in general? Quite a lot. That particular bit? I never heard it in church school. Didn’t discover it until I was reading up a bit as an adult. They don’t seem to be too proud of that one, for some reason.
How many theaters were planned for the release of _Milk_? Is it going to be hard to find?
Damian, Amanda said she would ban him when she “returned” (after Oct’s first post). She can’t do anything while the thread isn’t being monitored. Just ignore hime and he’ll be gone soon enough.
What a boring, useless blog (with apparently no traffic). No wonder you get off on trolling better blogs.
My spelling sucks today… :(
“If you’re such a brave fellow, why do you wait for the blog hosts to leave before going on your rants? I’ll repeat: pathetic, hateful little turd. “
I rant when they are around as well as when they are not around. It just so happens that, when they are not around, I get to post more before getting banned. It’s simple, really.
In fact you’ll stay far away if you know what’s good for you, rapist.
Eh, fuck it, it’s too much fun watching bigots squirm. But if he’s not banned by :00, I’ll know this place isn’t for our kind.
Which “kind” is that, Damian?
Look, the moderators don’t watch the threads all day. Pam in particular has her own blog to run. If you’re implying that she’s in league with a pestilent piece of shit like Ost, then you’re way off-base.
Translation from loser-speak: “I’M A TROLL WHO DOES TROLL THINGS AND KNOWS IT”
It is you Robert. Still cruising Pecs?
“In fact you’ll stay far away if you know what’s good for you, rapist. “
Not this bullshit again.
it’s difficult to imagine a campaign contribution like this being made in cash; you’d almost certainly have to write a check for this kind of donation, and the payee of the check serves as evidence that it wasn’t for a criminal transaction.
It’s not difficult to imagine at all. One of Stock’s fellow bigots called and asked for a donation to “Yes on 8.” Stock then instructed his personal financial manager to cut the cheque, then transfer $9999 from an interest-bearing account to a chequing account to cover it. He chose $9999 because he wanted to make the largest donation he could with the least paperwork and financial hassle possible.
Of course, like many right wingers he forgot that the IRS isn’t the only source of financial hassles when it comes to funding bigotry.
Catholic doctrine is also pretty hard on people who wish Hell on others. Would you really wish that on anyone?
The point is that Seraph doesn’t believe in the Mr Toad’s Wild Ride afterlife for naughty people to which Catholics subscribe. If Ostiarius wants to sit in the janitor’s office at his university and fret about that while fiddling with his special “gatekeeper” keyring like a rosary, too bad for him.
“Still cruising Pecs?”
I’m afraid you’ve lost me.
Robert? Still doing Fridays at The Flame?
No Robert. I haven’t lost you. I’ve found you.
It’s morally irresponsible to allow a known bigot and troll to continue posting, especially if you know they’re posting. Robstiarius is a waste of time and bandwidth, and Amanda walked off knowing he was here. That shit wouldn’t fly anywhere else I’ve been EVER, so why here?
And by the way, Seraph, if you’re going to be an administrator, it’s your responsibility to be on watch. Don’t like it? Give up the position. That’s it. No special rules because you like them. Don’t want to do the job, then give the job up.
Would Chet mind explaining the “rapist” tag?
And G Porgy, are you telling us that Ostiarius is a self-hating gay?
Nice picture, by the way, Bobby.
Osty is a rapist? What’s that about?
Chet -
Is there something going on here that’s bigger than this thread? Physically threatening even the vilest troll - which doesn’t really have much of an impact, considering you have no really dependable way to find each other - doesn’t seem like you.
And G Porgy, are you telling us that Ostiarius is a self-hating gay?
No, Porgy’s saying that Hatestiarius is an everything-hating gay.
Not this bullshit again.
Man, if someone calls you a rapist in front of strangers you must have quite the rep if your automatic response is “Not this bullshit again.”
Between that and the “backstab” reference, it’s almost worth keeping you around for the laughs (but just almost).
Holy shit, that’s a boring blog.
“Man, if someone calls you a rapist in front of strangers you must have quite the rep if your automatic response is ‘Not this bullshit again.’”
He made this unhinged accusation before on PZ’s blog. What the damn fool doesn’t realize is that I don’t have a problem spilling the beans as to why he hates me in order to dispel his accusation.
Maybe things have changed, but when I was in the movie business ticket sales money didn’t actually go to the theater (well, a very small percentage did). All the money was in popcorn / soda / candy sales. . .
Yep. Plus, the movie makers (and the greater message) benefit from the widest distribution possible. And this particular company controls hella markets. Movies about GLBT that make $$$ means more movies about GLBT.
So, go to the film wherever ...but don’t buy snacks at Cinemark.
Screw it, I reverse my previous position - keep Robble Robble around until Chet makes good on calling him a rapist and proves it.
<blockquote>And by the way, Seraph, if you’re going to be an administrator, it’s your responsibility to be on watch. Don’t like it? Give up the position. That’s it. No special rules because you like them. Don’t want to do the job, then give the job up.</blockquot>
Right then.
No one’s stopping you, then. Vaya con Dios.
Seraph - way to misunderstand me so you can be glib and self-righteous. Into the killfille with the rest of the troglodytes until you’ve learned to act civilized.
Bye, Ost. I knew it wouldn’t take much.
Damian - I think you just provided a prime example of the phrase “hissy fit”.
“Nice picture, by the way, Bobby.”
Thanks. I was going for the stoic, chiseled-in-stone look.
I’d still like to know the basis for the rapist accusation.
Jam donuts - And it looks like yet another little pants-pisser wants to be among the ranks of luminaries like Ost and Dana. Bye.
Thanks. I was going for the stoic, chiseled-in-stone look.
Really? I got more of a “my mom buys my clothes at American Eagle but I totally hate her ass, and my pukka-shell necklace proves it” vibe.
Damian, please take a step back from the computer and breathe. Ostiarius is a turd and will get banned, but you are being really disrespectful.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. He changed his pic since I last looked. OH, lord. Well, I stand by my eval of his original picture.
The answer is that, yes, Robert O’Brien isn’t just a troll to me. It’s personal.
And no, I can’t (or won’t) talk about it, since it didn’t happen to me. I can’t control what Robert chooses to share, of course, but nothing he could say could lower my regard for him even further than it is, something I suspect is true for everybody else here. (And Robert - come on, as if anybody here would believe your side anyway.)
considering you have no really dependable way to find each other
Oh, I could find him. I know what he looks like, after all, and I have pretty well-connected friends and family in San Deigo, as it happens. Completely coincidentally.
I’m kind of curious what G Porgy’s beef is, though. Seems like we could start a club or something. A cabal, maybe? What do you call an organization dedicated against somebody?
Wow. Ost really was quite nasty. You’d better keep a watch on his ISP addy, Amanda.
*shakes head*
But I’ve learned a lot today. When I have time, I’ll definitely go do some research on this whole Milk thing. (I don’t know the story, other than the bare basics).
history_mom, I would suggest you not tell me what to do. That is not your place.
He made this unhinged accusation before on PZ’s blog.
I don’t really care about PZ’s blog. But your quietly exasperated response to being called a rapist on this blog got a laugh out of me. You might not see why I’d find your response odd, but then you apparently can’t do something as quotidian as posting on a blog without eventually being called a rapist.
melaka: An interesting aspect to the story is that it took place a week after Jonestown ...which had deep Bay Area ties. People thought the world was coming to an end.
but then you apparently can’t do something as quotidian as posting on a blog without eventually being called a rapist.
To be fair, it’s supposedly the same person saying it in both places noted, so I’d give it a little less weight until there’s some evidence.
I’m sorry this thread got derailed. I thought it was going somewhere. If Robert had any threads on his blog we could all go and derail them, but he doesn’t. He also doesn’t have any ideas. He is a very small man, all in all.
Damian: I offered you a suggestion based on your obvious dismay at the putrid stench of our detested troll, but you are lashing out at everyone and it’s not constructive. You are not going to get anybody who moderates this blog to listen to your suggestions if you continue flaming and attempting to coerce them with threats of leaving the blog.
Really, what you do is your own business but I think you are making a much bigger issue than is warranted. If you want to leave, just leave. The back and forth is lame and infantile.
He is a very small man, all in all.
And what little there is of him is mostly taken up by his mouth. Aren’t most small people like that, though?
*points to self*
Wow—I’m surprised any you continue to feed the troll—they always come back for more food. I remember the shootings, the vigil, and the trial vividly, and for the record Dan White was not an evil man, just a pathetic one. White could never get over the fact that he was never as important as he thought he was, and that he had been out smarted by better politicians.
BTW, Damian as a regular on this blog for the last three years I have just as much “place” to tell you to back off as you do to inform our blog hosts how to run THEIR blog.
Wow. That was a helluva thread - Ost/Robert defending psychopath Dan White. That’s aces!
Jim Jones and his followers, incidentally, were very enthusiastic supporters of Milk’s election campaign. Milk reportedly told his staff to let them be, but not to trust Jones any farther than they could throw him.
Damian, I’m sorry I have to take off once in awhile. He’s banned now. He appears to be a UC San Diego student who keeps switching IP addresses. However, I think he’s lying about his name.
To be fair, it’s supposedly the same person saying it in both places noted, so I’d give it a little less weight until there’s some evidence.
Believe it, or don’t believe it, as you will. I certainly can’t substantiate the charge with any evidence I can present here (or in a court of law.) My hands are, perhaps mercifully, tied.
But after reading his remarks here and elsewhere on the internet, ask yourself - would you really put it past him?
To be fair, it’s supposedly the same person saying it in both places noted, so I’d give it a little less weight until there’s some evidence.
I dunno, Damian, if someone associated my real name with rape in front of strangers, my first reaction would be a little stronger than a variation on ”sigh ... not this again.” That response is in no way an admission of guilt, of course, but it is very funny.
However, I think he’s lying about his name.
No, I can confirm that’s who he really is. That’s his real name.
Never mind. Looks like Chet knows who the psycho is. I just couldn’t find a student by that name.
Amanda, that you have to take off is not, and should never be, a problem. My problem is that people take off without leaving someone in charge - I’ve seen what happens when sites do that. That’s why I reacted so poorly - you have it happen often enough, you get really tired of it. Should I have toend it down? Yes. Was I wrong to make an issue of it? I don’t think so - notice that Robble Robble even admitted that the lack of administration was why he was posting. It’s the same reason I’m not an anarchist, and laugh heartily at those who are - people without any governance are, invariably, little better than animals. I oughta know.
Chet, that’s a pretty big leap to take - from bigot to rapist? Even Mario doesn’t jump that far. It’s dangerous to say, too - that could be considered libel in some places.
I dunno, Damian, if someone associated my real name with rape in front of strangers, my first reaction would be a little stronger than a variation on ”sigh ... not this again.”
Well, if someone says something often enough, it gets so you tire of the words rather than the meaning. I should know - I’ve spent my whole life tiring of the things people say about me.
And Chet, if you’ve got the evidence to back your claims up, then by all means let us into the loop.
I’m sorry I didn’t ban him sooner. I really am. That deathly liberal tolerance problem got to me. I gave him a chance to recant out of fairness, because I forgot his name. I’m bad with names.
Well, Mr O’Brien got additional blog traffic today, and I’m thoroughly jealous that Amanda rates her own tag on his site, and I’m just a nobody. :( But, as nearly as I could see, he had a whole two comments on his entire front page. It’s kind of like “Fred Phelps gets a blog” over there.
It’s dangerous to say, too - that could be considered libel in some places.
Let him bring the suit. The standard of proof for a defense against libel is substantially lower than the standard for a criminal conviction.
And I’ll break him in the counter-suit.
Anyway, enough about that douche. Like I said you can believe what you will. I can’t say any more about it than I already have.
Damian, I understand that you’re upset. That guy is a freak who exudes sociopathy and violence. He scares me, too.
Of course, [troll] might be confused by the fact that White was buried in the Church, a fate traditionally not given to those who die by their own hand.
The Church makes exceptions for crazy people who kill themselves, because it wasn’t done of a free will.
*scrolls through linked blog*
Wow, he’s not just an asshole, but he’s an anti-Catholic asshole too.
Dang it. Were is Rebecca whin I need her?? I need her to say if she thinks I am still “ one of the worse trolls, IMO. “.
Ostiarius or Robert O’Brien pls keep in mind I was here before you. That means I get my undead army of zombies before you do sir.
Mr O’Brien is a UCSD student? Unless he’s completely different in real life than he was here, he’ll flunk out before much longer.
Aww, man, I go to those movie theaters all the time. Sucks to know I was supporting homophobia. But then almost everything I pay money for supports something terrible.
Well, Mr O’Brien got additional blog traffic today
I admit to taking a peek, but all I can tell you about blog traffic is that a cranky and unpleasant guy re-posting Nigerian scam e-mails isn’t gonna get a lot of repeat visitors. “Boring scam” sums up a lot about him.
Wow, he’s not just an asshole, but he’s an anti-Catholic asshole too.
And, judging by earlier posts here, an anti-Mormon one, too. I guess bigots take their allies where they can find them. Speaking of which ...
Ostiarius or Robert O’Brien pls keep in mind I was here before you. That means I get my undead army of zombies before you do sir.
You, McGreevy, have proved yourself to be a braindead zombie Army of One.
You, McGreevy, have proved yourself to be a braindead zombie Army of One.
Gracchus
lol Thank you..thank you very much. Ever felt like you were surrounded by zombies?
He’s an anti-Catholic?!?!? Heck let him back in Amanda. You could put us both in a cage for a Troll VS Troll deathmach. In a time of crisis a hero must rise...from his sofa. I will be that hero.
All right, I love Roxanne’s idea: See movies at Cinemark properties, but bring your own snacks.
I’ll get a bag of Sno-Caps at Walgreens, smuggle in a bottle of water, support independent films at the Century CineArts in Evanston, and spend nothing at the concession stand.
I can’t afford movie tickets anyway, but I joined the group. My Facebook Friends will be able to see it that way, and will probably join the boycott.
Um, why can’t we just pull the movie from those theatres?
Or is there a bigger problem? Why is film production and distribution so fucked up that it can lend leverage to morality-baiting ballot initiatives?
I don’t normally use Cinemark/Century, but I sometimes do for special movies like Milk. Of course, now I most certainly won’t.
AMC Loews is an option, as is Camera Cinemas here in San Jose.
lol robert o’brien, what have you EVER done in your sad little existence to make you even equal to the level of ‘mediocre’? you advocate murder. when your psychotic little ass gets tossed in jail for the murder YOU commit, i hope you enjoy it. actually, no, you don’t have the fucking balls to actually DO anything besides sit here little a little dumb boy and pretend you’re someone.
also, ost, is your own crush on dan white the reason for your homophobia? self-hate and all? sad.
History knows what Dan White is ... and since he’s dead by his own hand, there’s no chance of him benefitting from any sort of revisionism or rehabilitation. History has recorded him as scum, and scum he will stay forever.
Maybe things have changed, but when I was in the movie business ticket sales money didn’t actually go to the theater (well, a very small percentage did). All the money was in popcorn / soda / candy sales. (That’s why it’s so dang expensive.) So, the actual number of people not buying tickets to cost the theater $10,000 would actually have to be much higher than 100
Brian, I think you have it backwards as most people tend to spend more on the popcorn et al than on the tickets. It could easily be less than 100 to cost them $10,000.
Or did someone else catch this and I missed it?
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I don’t see many movies in the theatre these days, and Milk doesn’t qualify as the kind of big-screen fare for which I’ll brave high ticket prices and teenagers. But one thing’s for sure: I’ll be avoiding Cinemark-owned theatres for any movies from now on.