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Palin’s wingnut carnival

David Neiwert has a must-read blog post up now about his interview with John Stein, who she defeated in a 1996 election to be Wasilla mayor.  Stein was the incumbent, and while it seems like the race for small town mayor shouldn’t be that big a deal, Stein describes a campaign that was more of a referendum on all sorts of right wing bugaboos and obsessions.  Gun control and abortion were major issues, even though small town mayors have no ability to affect these issues in any substantial way.  Palin rode to victory by playing kissy-face with the black helicopter nuts and the worst sort of Bible-thumpers, who ran a whisper campaign that included rumors that Stein is Jewish.  (He’s Lutheran.) 

Anyone who has had the “fortune” of meeting the Alex Jones-esque super paranoid right wingers should grasp what Palin’s natural constituency is—-it’s the guys that Mike Judge was making fun of when he created the character Dale Gribble, who was routinely sure the government, in alliance no doubt with aliens, was out to get him. 

Seriously these guys are awesome, except their paranoias might catapult a total wingnut into the White House.

According to Stein, Steven Stoll—whose local nickname, according to Phil Munger, is “Black Helicopter Steve”—was involved in militia organizing in Wasilla the 1990s, and subscribed to most of the movement’s paranoid conspiracy theories: “The rumor was that he had wrapped his guns in plastic and buried them in his yard so he could get them after the New World Order took over.”

It seems reasonable to suggest that Palin chose to be marking up an issue of a John Bircher magazine in her official photo as a hat tip to her fans in the black helicopter community.

I have to wonder what her hardcore New World Order fans think of her now that she’s consorting with McCain, who is no doubt one of the Republicans assumed to be drinking baby blood at the Bohemian Grove.  Why do I think they’d be suspicious of him?  First of all, they tend to think almost everyone is in on the conspiracy.  Second of all, McCain is absolutely one of the ones in on it, because he’s friendly to some Democrats, who survive off the blood of Christian babies. 

But Palin doesn’t owe it all to the black helicopter crowd.  She’s also got the Bible-thumpers.  Max Blumenthal has a great post up about her church in Wasilla and some of the stuff that goes on in there.  Let’s just say that “witch-hunting” comes up. In all honesty, that shouldn’t be the biggest surprise.  Before he got outed for Teh Ghey Sexxx, Ted Haggard had a weekly phone call with George Bush.  I’m not sure if he talked about his witch exorcisms that he used to perform in Colorado Springs on those calls, but I’m not sure the knowledge that Haggard and his followers used to protest women’s houses for witchcraft would deter Bush from taking him seriously.  Once you sign onto playing with wingnuts, I guess you have to go all the way.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 09:12 PM • (31) Comments

It seems reasonable to suggest that Palin chose to be marking up an issue of a John Bircher magazine in her official photo as a hat tip to her fans in the black helicopter community.

THANK YOU!  And yes, that is *exactly* what it was!

I can’t believe how some people are trying to minimize this, IN AN OFFICIAL PHOTO!

Comment #1: DaisyDeadhead  on  09/24  at  09:28 PM

I figure they don’t mind McCain being at the front of the ticket, ‘cause they plan on trying to off him somehow so Crazy Lady can take over…

Comment #2: Scott  on  09/24  at  09:50 PM

Anybody else remember how much these folks (well, at least some people of this ilk) loved going on during the Clinton years about Bill and Hilary’s jackbooted thugs? Those were the days. Blackwater, anyone?

Comment #3: annejumps  on  09/24  at  10:16 PM

Also, how do they not get that she’s glomming on to this stuff just for the political power? I doubt she takes any of this seriously. I guess the important thing is that she’s bothering to pretend?

Comment #4: annejumps  on  09/24  at  10:17 PM

Also, how do they not get that she’s glomming on to this stuff just for the political power?

Critical thinking isn’t a big priority with this crowd.  (Because let’s face it - if they thought about this stuff they’d find a new crowd.)

Also - who’s to say she doesn’t believe it at some level?  She may very well.  Critical thinking doesn’t seem to be one of her big priorities either.

Comment #5: NonyNony  on  09/25  at  12:18 AM

Trust me, anyone who hangs around her sort of church really believes the black helicopter stuff - End Times theology tends to produce paranoiacs.

Comment #6: NancyP  on  09/25  at  12:21 AM

“...who was routinely sure the government, in alliance no doubt with aliens…”
Building landing strips for gay Martians, I swear to god!

Comment #7: Thundercougarfalconbird  on  09/25  at  01:13 AM

And the Martians have seven sexes to be gay with!

Comment #8: Zarquon  on  09/25  at  01:20 AM

Being from Austin, I really enjoyed the reference to Jones and his particular brand of paranoiac hysterics.  The man believes that imaginary Illuminati are going to kill off 80% of the Earth’s human population soon.  And he gets so excited talking about all the violent fantasies he’s constructed from inference and speculation about how the New World Order is going to kill he and people like him but first limit all of their freedoms, especially grabbin’ their guns and planting tracking microchips in their bodies, that it seems he must be about to splay off all over the radio console.  Jones hasn’t met any circular reasoning that he hasn’t elevated to exclusive revelation and divine truth.

Speaking of “King of the Hill”, Sarah Palin reminds me of an even ditzier Peggy Hill, in that desperately self-important, clueless way she interjects herself into a place she has no business being.  Ol’ Charlie Gibson actually asked her a good question about how hubris influenced her decision to accept the VP nomination.  Hilariously, Palin didn’t even understand what the word means and babbled on about blinking or not blinking, like she had been asked about semaphores.  But she’s not a semaphore; she’s a cipher.

Comment #9: Larry Piltz  on  09/25  at  01:47 AM

Does Dale Gribble even vote? It’s the Boomhauers (Boomhowers?) who will decide this.

BTW, I know I’ve plugged this book a hundred times on multiple blogs, but if ou reallywant to know how the paranoid think, read THEM: Adventures with Extremists by Jon Ronson. The part where Ronson and Alex Jones infiltrate Bohemian Grove is priceless. I would also recommend Ronson’s The Men who Stare at Goats. The connections between the Goat Lab and 9/11 are just too weird. The Goat Lab? Read the book and find out.

Comment #10: Bacopa  on  09/25  at  02:40 AM

Does Dale Gribble even vote?

he does not. there was a whole episode about it. Hank assumed he was going to vote for Bush, like all GOOD TEXANS, but then he met Bush, and found out he had a meek handshake, and was struck with an existential angst.

He briefly joins Dale in his non-voting day of slacking, before deciding he has to vote anyway, as it’s his civic duty.

I’m kind of disappointed I know htis.

Comment #11: karpad  on  09/25  at  03:00 AM

I remember that one, karpad, but I thought Dale did vote, only under the monicker of Rusty Shackleford.

Comment #12: FlipYrWhig  on  09/25  at  03:02 AM

Can I ask that you please don’t use Hulu unless you can avoid it, it’s US only :(

Comment #13: AndersH  on  09/25  at  04:07 AM

The Guardian has reported finding youtube videos of Palin participating in a church service designed to fight witchcraft.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/25/sarahpalin.republicans

Why do the witches hate our freedom?

Comment #14: Jake  on  09/25  at  04:26 AM

“Speaking of “King of the Hill”, Sarah Palin reminds me of an even ditzier Peggy Hill, in that desperately self-important, clueless way she interjects herself into a place she has no business being.”

Peggy always seemed several orders of magnitude more sensible than Palin. I don’t think she’d be a Bircher, for one. And she’s generally practical.

Comment #15: witless chum  on  09/25  at  08:50 AM

Peggy Hill tends to be naive, but she’s not stupid.  She’s one of the smarter people in King of the Hill

Of course, I may be biased.  She reminds me in several ways of my mother…

Comment #16: MikeEss  on  09/25  at  09:32 AM

MikeEss, the kicker about Peggy is that she’s generally smarter and more sensible than the others, but she isn’t as smart as she thinks she is and her common sense often doesn’t make sense.  A lot of humour pops out of that little dynamic.

And, like Palin, she really shouldn’t be taken as seriously as she thinks she should be taken.


As for the magazine, can you imagine what the national press corps would be saying (over and over and over and over again) if that magazine was, say, Marxist or socialist?

Comment #17: seeker6079  on  09/25  at  09:45 AM

”...can you imagine what the national press corps would be saying (over and over and over and over again) if that magazine was, say, Marxist or socialist?”

Well, the first difference would be that they would have actually noticed that it was far outside the mainstream, and said something about it…

Comment #18: MikeEss  on  09/25  at  09:51 AM

The national press corps wouldn’t be saying anything if the magazine was Marxist or socialist. Unless Palin was a Democrat.

Comment #19: Cris  on  09/25  at  11:07 AM

This sort of thing bothers me a bit because I think it misrepresents Palin’s actual behavior in office.  I’ve been following her since she was elected governor (or rather, I’ve been following Alaska politics since before she was elected governor) and while it’s always been clear that she’s extremely conservative she’s mostly behaved as a pragmatist in office and hasn’t dragged her more extreme views into policy decisions.  I think we all know that she vetoed a bill that would have banned benefits for same-sex partners in Alaska because her advisors told her it was probably unconstitutional, and it’s my sense that an awful lot of Republican politicians would have gone ahead and signed it anyway.

As it happens there’s an article in this morning’s Fairbanks paper about Palin losing popularity in Alaska and I think it’s worth a read (http://newsminer.com/news/2008/sep/25/poll-shows-palins-popularity-declining-alaska-part/).  The Alaska pollster posits this:

“We’re seeing that Sarah Palin’s secret in maintaining an 82 percent approval rating was governing in a fairly middle-of-the-road, nonpartisan kind of way,” Moore offered.

I know this really isn’t as much fun as lampooning her but if we’re going to be the reality-based community we ought to, in fact, be reality-based.  Her performance as candidate has been sufficiently awful that there’s no need to make stuff up.  I think it’s probably notable, as well, that the national GOP has taken a conservative but pragmatic governor and turned her into an ideologue as a candidate, which says something about today’s GOP, I think.

Comment #20: Melinda  on  09/25  at  11:34 AM

“I think it’s probably notable, as well, that the national GOP has taken a conservative but pragmatic governor and turned her into an ideologue as a candidate, which says something about today’s GOP, I think.”

...which was at least part of the point in choosing her to begin with.  They don’t want somebody with a reputation for “governing in a fairly middle-of-the-road, nonpartisan kind of way” because that stirs up neither the wingnut base nor the fundnuts.  If she couldn’t be easily portrayed as ideologically rabid at some level, she would serve no purpose on McCain’s ticket

Comment #21: MikeEss  on  09/25  at  11:52 AM

I’m kind of disappointed I know this.

Why?  “King of the Hill” is an extremely underrated show.  It’s a lot more consistent than “The Simpsons” these days.

Comment #22: Mnemosyne  on  09/25  at  12:00 PM

I’ve been following her since she was elected governor (or rather, I’ve been following Alaska politics since before she was elected governor) and while it’s always been clear that she’s extremely conservative she’s mostly behaved as a pragmatist in office and hasn’t dragged her more extreme views into policy decisions.

Melinda, in Texas Gov. George W. Bush was a pragmatist who worked across party lines to get bipartisan legislation passed.  How someone operates with their small amount of gubernatorial power is, unfortunately, not a good indicator of how they’ll act once they get the almost unlimited powers of the presidency.

Comment #23: Mnemosyne  on  09/25  at  12:03 PM

Mike and Mnemosyne, I understand what you’re saying, but 1) I think she’s being misrepresented, and 2) it’s probably kind of notable that the GOP take what are probably pretty reasonable people to start with (and George W Bush is one of the people I’m thinking of) and turns them into lunatic nutbags when moving them from state/local scope to national.

Comment #24: Melinda  on  09/25  at  12:15 PM

What did I make up?  Is there something not true in this?

Comment #25: Amanda Marcotte  on  09/25  at  12:24 PM

Anyone think the McCain campaign will have problems with the black-helicopter crowd because in the middle of a banking crisis, he was meeting with one of the Rothschilds?

It probably won’t get reported enough to enter the conspiracy-theory zeitgeist, but I thought it was pretty funny.

Comment #26: Redshift  on  09/25  at  12:45 PM

Amanda, I think there’s a lot of cherry-picking going on in how Palin’s record is being approached and that she’s been misrepresented as a result.  She’s governed as a pretty conventional pro-business corporatist Republican governor, not as a secessionist Bircher theocrat.  She’s wrong on the issues she understands and incomprehensible on the ones she doesn’t (and there are a lot of those).  Why isn’t that enough?

Comment #27: Melinda  on  09/25  at  12:55 PM

But Melinda, why aren’t you considering her tenure as Mayor of Wasilla?  Is forcing women to pay for rape kits and firing librarians who won’t ban books “middle-of-the-road and non-partisan”?
Even if you do just consider her tenure as Governor, she clearly appointed incompetent cronies to important positions (Attorney General Talis Colberg anyone?) and abused her power to pursue personal vendettas.  Would you consider those actions pragmatic?  I tend to think she racked up a pretty miserable track record for spending such a relatively short amount of time in office myself.  Hell, even Bush managed to get through 6 years in Texas without being the subject of a bi-partisan investigation initiated by the state legislature.

Comment #28: Loomer  on  09/25  at  01:23 PM

Melinda, in Texas Gov. George W. Bush was a pragmatist who worked across party lines to get bipartisan legislation passed.

I think “pragmatist” might be overstating the case a bit.  It was more like Bush wanted to do something so he’d submit legislation and then hold a press conference about it before the committees affected had a chance to look at it.  Since Texas is generally bipartisan, that just means he ticked off representatives from both parties instead of one.

Comment #29: KL  on  09/25  at  02:26 PM

2) it’s probably kind of notable that the GOP take what are probably pretty reasonable people to start with (and George W Bush is one of the people I’m thinking of) and turns them into lunatic nutbags when moving them from state/local scope to national.

Yes, which is why we’re worried that someone who already showed wingnutty tendencies while mayor of a town of 8,000 could go into full-blown Papa Doc Duvalier mode if handed national power.

Comment #31: Mnemosyne  on  09/25  at  10:58 PM
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