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Next entry: Community and the awesomeness of elitism in the face of haters Previous entry: Update on Occupy Wall St. library situation

Pandagon occupies Wall St.

Occupy Wall St.Samhita from Feministing and  I are doing a weekly chat podcast for our friends at Citizen Radio. This show will be completely different from my weekly podcast at RH Reality Check, which has a more NPR-style news and opinion format. (By the way, RH Reality Check is having a fund-raising drive. Since they're the best source of reproductive rights news on the internet, please consider chipping in and supporting them.) This new podcast is going to be more freeform and chatty, much like Citizen Radio. It's called Opinionated and we have a cat for a logo. You can check out the first episode here. We discuss the library situation at Occupy Wall St., which has since been updated with news that at least some of the books survived. It remains to be seen this morning what the return of the library to protesters will look like.

Speaking of Occupy Wall St., I went out there last night to re-donate my book and take some pictures/show support (I would have re-donated others if I'd had second copies, but I only have, for obvious reasons, multiple copies of my own), and was thrilled to both meet commenter rowmyboat, who is working as a librarian, and to find out how frigging organized they are with the People's Library. They were entering ISBN numbers on an iPhone, presumably so they could be registered on this database. You can look around and see if there's holes in their collection of books that would be useful to their cause and donate here, if you're not able to get down there. If you are able to get down there, they The People's Library being rebuiltneed help retrieving books from the storage facility that is holding them. I know we all look forward to hearing about how well the books survived the raid, as well as hearing about the other stuff that was confiscated. My friend Darcy was tickled to have contributed the first copy of No Logo to the rebuilt library.

Observations about last night:

*People were in surprisingly high spirits, though there was still lingering ill feelings about the raid. I think the combination of adrenaline, thrill at surviving, and disgust about what happened is easy enough to understand. People showing up who were released from jail still seemed shell-shocked.

*The crowd was heaviest around 8PM, probably around 1,000 people. We left and came back after a couple of hours, and it had thinned considerably, but the General Assembly was still going on (and probably the reason that the crowd thinned, honestly. The work they do is important, but it's also hard to sit through.) 

Guy with pizza tries to get in*The police strategy for keeping people from rebuilding their camp was, as you can imagine, controversial. They barricaded most of the park and were searching anyone with heavy bags to make sure they weren't smuggling in tents, sleeping bags, or blankets (though some people did get in with blankets). Some times they seemed to think food was banned, and some times they let it in. People yelled at them for doing this, and it seemed to bother most of the police tremendously. In fact, I would say the most relevatory thing to me was the way the police were behaving. Most of them seemed genuinely  unhappy that the city was using them as schoolyard monitors to harass the hippies, who are, after all, advocating for police economic rights along with everyone else. When accused of being fascist, they seemed less pissed and more hurt, at least the ones I saw, though I'm sure some cops get off on pushing hippies around. Some cops were quietly supportive. Two separate officers went out of their way to help us find our way into the park, and I saw at least one cop engaging the protesters in a friendly fashion as they explained their views. 

General Assembly*Funniest exchange heard all night, when there was yelling because the cops started getting aggressive about bag searching. Protester 1, at cop: "Nazi!" Protester 2, at Protester 1, "Don't say that. He may be a fascist, but he's definitely not a Nazi." Real life Godwinning! Also, I suspect from the cop's reaction to this that he is neither. 

We left before it even really came close to the point where questions would be asked about camping out. In my time there, no one even talked about it, honestly. I haven't heard word yet about what they eventually did. 

I was on Bloggingheads with Erica Grieder yesterday, and we talked about the raid:

I'm not sure why people are acting like there's a debate over whether or not it's good for the cause to have a political crackdown like this. From what I understand, the whole point of non-violent protest is to provoke authority figures into showing their true colors, and garner sympathy for your cause. 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 10:25 AM • (29) Comments

While I think the reason people hold these kinds of protests is less to provoke the authorities to over react than to draw attention to an issue or set of issues, I think you are correct about how and why they are (sometimes) effective.  The worst thing that can happen to a protest like this is to be ignored by the powers that be (witness the antiwar protests under G.W. Bush).

Comment #1: DrDick  on  11/16  at  11:25 AM

The worst thing that can happen to a protest like this is to be ignored by the powers that be (witness the antiwar protests under G.W. Bush).

Which is why OWS was so innovative—it was a form of protest that over time couldn’t be ignored. Whereas when someone stages a 1-2 day march, who cares?

Comment #2: Tyro  on  11/16  at  11:41 AM

Also, this is gonna sound weird, but when a bunch of hippies congregate and just stand there for like weeks on end, you are eventually gonna notice that they are standing there and go talk to them. And when you do you are likely to notice that you agree with most of what they say. And then you, the hippie-freindly or even neutral person, are gonna start feeling like a hippie. And noticing how nasty the anti-hippie forces are is just part of that. They’re like a beacon. What can I say, apparently freak power really works.

Comment #3: atheist  on  11/16  at  11:52 AM

Both/and blog, Dr. Dick. People want to attract attention to their cause, so they provoke the authorities and demonstrate, by doing so, how invested authority is in the unjust status quo.

Comment #4: Amanda Marcotte  on  11/16  at  11:54 AM

This is what a real protest looks like, and both sides are getting a feel for the other in the light of the world watching.  “Agent Provocateurs” are my big worry and multiple iPhones the thing I’m thankful for.

Comment #5: ewellone  on  11/16  at  12:08 PM

G’morning, folks. 

Lovely to meet you last night, Amanda.

Some of the librarians are working on retrieving what’s left of our stuff from the Sanitation garage.  There’s only a fraction of our stuff there, not much more than was shown in that one picture from yesterday.  And a lot of what’s there is is various states of destruction—books, laptops, a chair in unusable condition.  Tables, shelving, and the tent are not to be found.  Many of the books nowhere to be seen. 

Check our blog for the developing report on it: owspeopleslibrary.wordpress.com

We did get more than a hundred new books brought to us at the park last night.  Which is great, except the cops, even those who were happy to see the library open again, wouldn’t let us put clear plastic over them to keep them dry from the on-and-off drizzle.  We ended up using newspapers and a couple umbrellas.

Comment #6: rowmyboat  on  11/16  at  12:15 PM

Oh, and, we’re still looking for one of our arrested librarians.  Of the two that were arrested, we’ve found one, and he’s being arraigned this morning.  The other hasn’t been located yet; part of the problem is that we don’t know his last name.  Also, my jail support contact and I have had opposing sleep schedules since yesterday afternoon, so I’m having a hard time finding out this morning if he’s seen him.

Comment #7: rowmyboat  on  11/16  at  12:24 PM

Aaaand… one of the librarians on-site at the moment just sent me a picture of all the present books—the new ones—stuffed in plastic freezer bags to keep them dry.  Super grateful to the guy who brought us those last night!

Comment #8: rowmyboat  on  11/16  at  12:30 PM

atheist (#3)—Manymany years ago, when I and some other hippies were trying to get some changes made in our local school system, we talked to a great many people on the “other side”, who found that they agreed with us, but then they went away and voted against us anyway, because ...???

Comment #9: Older  on  11/16  at  02:06 PM

That’s why I could never be in the military or the police. I feel all of us have been asked to do things we don’t agree with in the course of our jobs, but using authority and violence to limit the rights of free citizens in public space is too far for me. One stupid law that I’ve recently heard about (on feministe) is using possession of condoms as evidence of prostitution in New York, which is just so strikingly retrograde. And those sorts of laws could crop up at any time during your service! You either have to have total faith in the state to make just laws and enforcement procedures, or be resigned to having to play hall monitor for vain politicians some times.

Comment #10: JilliefromChile  on  11/16  at  02:14 PM

Just made my book contribution. Two books that changed my life:

Dyer, Richard. White. London : Routledge, 1997.
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=5384930387&searchurl=an=dyer&sts=t&tn=white&x=54&y=14

Lakoff, George.Johnson, Mark,Philosophy In The Flesh: The Embodied Mind And Its Challenge To Western Thought. New York : Basic Books, 1999.
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=3045918883&searchurl=sts=t&tn=Philosophy+in+the+flesh&x=63&y=6

Comment #11: vitaminC  on  11/16  at  02:50 PM

I’m glad to see them reoccupying the park and frankly the police contrary to popular belief don’t enjoy standing around in the cold checking bags of people they don’t care about for supposed contraband that isn’t dangerous.  Most of the time they would just be happy to be back in their warm squad car or walking a beat where they have some freedom.  Bloomberg is turning into Bull Connor before our eyes over a camp-in.  There is far less at stake for Bloomberg personally but the sheer fear of possibly not holding all the cards has that little half-pint scared.

Comment #12: Xeranar  on  11/16  at  02:57 PM

Which is why OWS was so innovative—it was a form of protest that over time couldn’t be ignored. Whereas when someone stages a 1-2 day march, who cares?

Come now - it’s not as if the largest protests in history were mostly ignored by the media and completely ignored by your politicians, is it?

Comment #13: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  11/16  at  03:18 PM

I’m listening to Opinionated now—enjoying it smile

Comment #14: Mighty Ponygirl  on  11/16  at  03:18 PM

@Comment #9: Older on 11/16 at 02:06 PM

Older, your point is well taken. Usually tribalism or resentment is stronger. I’m just still sort of amazed at what #OWS has already accomplished, is all.

Comment #15: atheist  on  11/16  at  03:18 PM

People want to attract attention to their cause, so they provoke the authorities and demonstrate, by doing so, how invested authority is in the unjust status quo.

Certainly that is sometimes/often conscious or deliberate, but it is also often an unforeseen consequence the protest.  I speak as someone who has been involved in various protests since the early 70s and saw the surprise at the reaction of the authorities.  I also get a bit of a sense that many, though not all, of the OWS protesters have been taken by surpirse as well.

Comment #16: DrDick  on  11/16  at  03:38 PM

Come now - it’s not as if the largest protests in history were mostly ignored by the media and completely ignored by your politicians, is it?

Are you making some kind of argument? That was precisely my point. No one gives a shit about marches, even if they’re big. OWS did more than the anti-war marches accomplished with a fraction of the people.

Comment #17: Tyro  on  11/16  at  03:45 PM

It should come as no surprise to anyone here that the supression of OWS and it’s kindred encampments is being coordinated by Homeland Security.

Comment #18: Ms Kate  on  11/16  at  04:51 PM

It should come as no surprise to anyone here that the supression of OWS and it’s kindred encampments is being coordinated by Homeland Security.

Comment #19: Ms Kate  on  11/16  at  04:52 PM

rowmyboat—do you have “Them and Us” by Will Hutton?  It is mainly about the UK, but I find the premise applies here in the US, too.

http://www.amazon.com/Them-Us-Changing-Britain-Society/dp/0349121486/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1321478115&sr=1-2

If you don’t have it, I’ll send a copy.

Comment #20: James  on  11/16  at  05:16 PM

I also get a bit of a sense that many, though not all, of the OWS protesters have been taken by surpirse as well.

I don’t think we’re collectively very surprised at all.  Lots of us here are experienced with political action, and we’ve been pretty proactive about sharing our experience and knowledge with the newbies.  Weren’t necessarily expecting them at that very moment yesterday morning, but we knew they’d have come around eventually.  I thought it would have been sooner, actually.

Comment #21: rowmyboat  on  11/16  at  05:58 PM

Are you making some kind of argument?

Nah, agreeing with you sarcastically.

Comment #22: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  11/16  at  08:02 PM

Yeah like… I don’t know that any given group of protesters necessarily sets out or makes it part of their deliberate strategy to have public officials and the rich pricks who own them (or, per Bloomberg, are them!) flip a huge raging shit over utterly harmless activity because it hurts their precious, precious rich-person feelings (1,000,000x more important than any non-rich person’s feelings, or homes, or livelihoods!) and send the cops to kick the shit out of them and trash their stuff.

But it helps.

Comment #23: Dan  on  11/16  at  09:03 PM

It should come as no surprise to anyone here that the supression of OWS and it’s kindred encampments is being coordinated by Homeland Security.

Gotta protect rich people from the terror of hearing anything that says they aren’t perfectly special and entitled to everyone else’s shit.

Comment #24: Dan  on  11/16  at  09:04 PM

Gotta protect rich people from the terror of hearing anything that says they aren’t perfectly special and entitled to everyone else’s shit.

Not that that’s a new thing...

Comment #25: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  11/17  at  01:59 AM

Journalist? Amanda youre simply a writer darling, not a journalist. I have a major in that field and trust me you are an abhorrent joke to actual journalism.

Comment #26: Bean Slap  on  11/18  at  05:09 AM

Who the fuck actually listened to all 53 minutes of that?

Comment #27: Bean Slap  on  11/18  at  05:11 AM

Bye-Bye, Bean Slap old pal, you have a major in journalism but you can’t help but mangle the English language in your comments here.

We’re going to miss you(not).

Comment #28: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  11/18  at  09:56 AM

‘occupy wall street’ become very actual, but nothing to say - popularity grows. smile

Comment #29: bESt buY  on  11/20  at  01:43 PM

I’m not sure if the point is to get the police cracking heads to garner sympathy, but I do know that if you’re going to be cowed by pepper spray, you’ll never win the battle.

I do think that evoking the hatred that’s already there is important, mind you. Hatred is ugly, and people recoil from it. But I’m not sure that the goal is to evoke the hatred. I think the goal is to keep fighting until you find something that works.

And part of that has to be an awareness that they’re going to run you through the standard wringer, which includes pepper spray and arrest and all assorted indignities first.

Comment #30: LongHairedWeirdo  on  11/21  at  02:00 AM
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