Which isn’t to say they see straight and gay sex the same. It’s more like straight sex is the marijuana/alcohol of sex, and gay sex is the cocaine.

Perhaps we need to introduce them to the DMT of sex, which involves screwing machine elves?

“This is a statement of a man who probably begs for forgivenness every time he ejaculates.”

...shall we start a betting pool re how long it will be before Little Ricky, a dog, a goat, a sheep, a turtle, and the pool boy are all found together smoking meth and drilling each other?...

No bet.  ...but it was all just innocent fun, and the goat was asking for it anyway (you know how they are).

What made this comment so eye-rolling is that he’s functionally trying to claim that people who have any kind of sexual activity with the opposite sex are already banned, and therefore letting gay people in is a “special” right.

I would bet that Santorum is under the delusion that all the nice, straight, Christian boys in the military are staying virgins until they get straight-married.  Or, at least they intend to and feel rilly rilly bad when they rape a female colleague or hire an underage prostitute in a foreign country where they are stationed, and of course intent is everything to him.  It matters more than actual actions (for Christian men anyway) and whatever they do doesn’t count as long as they intend to not do it again.

If “sexual activity” means having social events at which potential sexual partners can meet and mingle, or if it means social recognition and acceptance of couples, then “sexual activity” *does* have a place in the military, just like it has a place everywhere else in society.
If, on the other hand, “sexual activity” means having sex in public, or in a latrine, then I think it’s generally understood that what he calls “sexual activity” doesn’t really “have a place” *anywhere* apart from the occasional high-jinx in college. 
Of course, what Mr. Santorum’s remarks show is that he can’t think of homosexuality as emcompassing anything other than a sordid tryst in a public toilet.

Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great.  If a sperm is wasted God gets quite irate!

I think when Santorum and others of his ilk imagine gays in the military, their reference is Klinger in MASH going around dressed in women’s clothing.

My favorite part is this:

”...that we are going to recognize a group of people and give them a special privilege to — to — and removing “don’t ask/don’t tell” I think tries to inject social policy into the military.”

...where he forgets that “special rights” is just a bullshit talking point and tries to elaborate on it, realizes that there is no way to finish the sentence that won’t be transparently moronic (even to that crowd), stutters and changes the subject. Nicely done, frothy, nicely done.

Hahaha, “inject.”

See, here we are again with those Forced Government Injections!

This is a smashing example of why Little Ricky’s surname has now become a synonym for “the combination of lube, ejaculate and feces that typically remains after anal sex.”

I’m kind of wondering how banning gay people from the military isn’t ahem, injecting social policy into the military.

That’s what I always think, lux.

I think Miguel Bloomfontosis hit the nail on the head - Santorum can imagine a straight sexuality without any sex (because I’m sure he’s lived it), but he can’t imagine a gay sexuality without any sex. He can’t imagine two dudes going out to get some food, maybe having a beer, etc. etc. with romantic intentions. It’s like all he knows about gay people he learned in military-themed porn.

The Copleston-Russell is revelant here.

It isn’t that Ricky sees himself as drinking wine and teh gays as using cocaine. Nope.

Ricky sees himself as an alcoholic, and gays as crackheads. And the only difference in his mind between being a drunk and being a crackhead is that the latter is against God’s law while the former is merely a perversion of God’s law. That’s it.

When the difference between right and wrong follow only from what God commands, reason does not matter because God’s law is completely arbitrary. Say what you want but at least this allows for philosophical consistency as relates to hypocrisy.

It’s more taboo in their minds, so it’s somehow more sexual.

I think 99 percent of people who think like this would be corrected by actually having some gay sex and realizing it isn’t for them. It’s only “more sexual” if you’re, you know, actually gay.

Well, that depends on how many homophobes you think are actually gay or bisexual. I don’t know what the percentage might be, so maybe I’m being pessimistic.

I don’t know how a person with any sense of history can pretend the military is free of sexual activity. We pretty much invented sexual health education for soldiers because they were sleeping with prostitutes and getting STIs.

I don’t know what color the sky is in RickyWorld, but I’m sure glad I don’t live there.

“This is a statement of a man who probably begs forgiveness every time he ejaculates”.

This actually sounds kind of hot if you weren’t talking about Santorum.

That’s four *living* children? It probably doesn’t count the miscarried one, that he brought home so he and his family could cuddle with the little corpse and say goodbye. /shudder.

http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=96;t=000875;p=0

KMac, I’ve known other families who’ve mourned and buried miscarried fetuses.  Not stark raving Catholics like the Santorums, either.  IIRC, one was agnostic and the other Presbyterian.  If to them it was their child, they can mourn it any way they need to as far as I’m concerned.  There’s more than enough legitimately creepy things to bag on Santorum for without bringing that up.

As an old school friend of mine (who went on to join the army) might have said if told that sexual activity has no place in the military: “No fucking allowed ? No fucker is going to tell me that fucking’s forbidden. Or this fucker ain’t pointing his rifle at no other fucker.”

I would guess that this politician has very little exposure to the military - any he does have would be with senior officers carefully doused in Eau de Acceptability to wash out the smell of reality.

I often wonder if the American right-whingers realise that many of their pronouncements are greeted with howls of laughter in the rest of the world. Especially their ability to turn history upside down and inside out. Anyone can stick their foot in their mouth, but the right-whingers seem to be able to stick both feet in, start chewing, and claim that it tastes good.

Step #1: Put Rick Santorum on camera
Step #2: Let him know his mom and dad had plenty of hot sex, way more often than it was required for his conception
Step #3: Get a close-up of his head as it explodes
Step $4: Edit the video to show several consecutive takes of the explosion (e.g. frame by frame, slow-motion, different angles)
Step #5: Upload to Youtube.

I often wonder if the American right-whingers realise that many of their pronouncements are greeted with howls of laughter in the rest of the world.

I wonder if the right-wing politicians realize that their military pronouncements are greets with howls of laughter or disparagement by members of the military itself?  I’ve heard NCOs I know rank the loons just below the Black-Shoed Bastards (officers, usually inept) for private ridicule.

Well, they haven’t made any friends by dissing Seal Team Six in the House or booing an active servicemember, no.

Santorum has seven kids with his wife, not including the late miscarriage. He’s quite creepily proud of his family size (“We’re doing our part as good pro-lifers!”), though I’m sure he feels terribly guilty about all those times he enjoyed sweet, dirty sexytimes with the wife when she couldn’t conceive because she was already pregnant.

I don’t think this is a great analogy, because even the most fervent sexophobes have to allow it for survival of the species. Which is why—as you point out—it’s the ONLY circumstance under which they think it’s okay. 

As for Santorum being caught someday with a rentboy—if only! And not because it would be such an entertaining scandal, but for his own sake.

A lot of politicians who want to legislate what everyone else does in their own bedrooms are hypocrites—but in Santorum’s case, I am honestly prepared to believe that (a) he really has never had any sort of sex except some joyless activity specifically intended to make babies, and the rare occasion of self-abuse (which, as he ages, is increasingly easier to resist); and (b) he genuinely does not understand why the rest of us can’t manage, or won’t bother, to do the same.

Needless to say, I’d prefer the hypocrites, who at least have some sort of reality check. Santorum’s life just seems horrible, even without his Google issues. This is what people have in mind when they say “homosexuality is a choice.” Rick made that choice.

Sorry—I meant:
So pointing out that Santorum has 4 kids with his wife sounds, to him, like someone doing a line claiming it’s the same as someone who has a glass of wine with dinner.

isn’t a great analogy.

Generally speculating on what the opposition is “really” thinking is useless mental masturbation at best. The statement was massively stupid and an endorsement of “don’t as don’t tell”, which would be a new thing for him.

Having condemned the practice, I’ll join the fun:
I wonder if, while having sex with his pregnant wife he wore a condom so he wouldn’t give the fully sentient baby in her uterus a facial or if he wondered at those times if he was in a MFM or MFF threesome?

I wonder if, while having sex with his pregnant wife he wore a condom so he wouldn’t give the fully sentient baby in her uterus a facial or if he wondered at those times if he was in a MFM or MFF threesome?

This is so hilarious.  If they really want an embryo to be equal to a baby, then anything a pregnant woman has sex, both adults should be charged with pedophilia and incest.

Hahaha, “inject.”

You’re so immature. Santorum just doesn’t want all the gays suggestively thrusting their torrid juicy demands for equality down his throat. He is doing his decent straight male Christian duty* of struggling against the firm and naughty forces of homosexuality, that are trying to pierce his quivering morals with their lewdly throbbing rights, covering him in dirty dirty perversion. Also, these gays are in uniform, which is extra raunchy and obscene, and they are all muscled and fit and rolling around with Santorum in the mud and—and he’ll be right back to discussing the exact things that military gays desperately want to do to him as soon as he’s back from his cold shower. Ahem.

*...Hahaha, “duty.”

A lot of politicians who want to legislate what everyone else does in their own bedrooms are hypocrites—but in Santorum’s case, I am honestly prepared to believe that (a) he really has never had any sort of sex except some joyless activity specifically intended to make babies, and the rare occasion of self-abuse (which, as he ages, is increasingly easier to resist); and (b) he genuinely does not understand why the rest of us can’t manage, or won’t bother, to do the same.

I dunno, I get what you’re saying but I’m still willing to call him a hypocrite. I personally don’t have much/any sex myself but I have no problem with other people doing what they like in bed—I see it as “I do what I like with my genitals, and everyone else should get to too” rather than “I don’t have lots of sex so everyone else shouldn’t have sex either.” So Santorum is not technically hypocritical with the “don’t have sex!” frame, but is totally hypocritical in a slightly different (and more relevant, imho) “have as much/the kind of sex you want!” frame.

I think there’s also an element of not seeing homosexuality except in terms of SEXSEXSEX, so that these people can’t understand why gay people can’t just go on hiding their gayness.  They think that straight people don’t push their lifestyle in everyone else’s face.  They literally don’t realize that part of being straight is being able to mention your wife and kids to your co-workers, or have a photo of your girlfriend on your desk at work, and that this is really what homosexual soldiers want.  They think that gays serving openly somehow means that rampant public sodomy would be tolerated, because they define gay people totally by their sexual activity.  Santorum really doesn’t have a problem with a straight soldier telling a co-worker that he went on a date with a hot girl, because he doesn’t think of that as being part of some “sexual orientation.”  He really thinks that having straight people in the military doesn’t inject sex into the military.

I think I’ve heard that one of McCain’s staffers said that Rick Santorum was one of the stupidest members of COngress they had ever met.  Not that that is saying much, but it’s apt and a good line. 

What got me about Santorum’s comment was how he was opposed to “social engineering” in the military, and that somehow this was a bad idea all around, not what the military should be doing, an affront to dignity, etc., etc. 

He must not know that the US Military integrated in 1945, about twenty years before the rest of society.  And very successfully, too.  While the Klan was still busy lynching African Americans (and Catholics, too!) the US Military was on the path to full participation of all members. 

Yet another conservative with no knowledge, no information, tons of bigoted opinions, and the ignorance to Just Keep Talking Shit.  They really have no shame, and no boundaries.

It’s more taboo in their minds, so it’s somehow more sexual.

I’m sure this has been discussed at Pandagon before — indeed, I expect Amanda had it in mind when writing that — but, whether the homophobe is closeted or straight, the attitude behind the “somehow more sexual” is “By violating the Norms of Civilization, Those People are having more fun than I am.” Closely allied with imagining black sex as better than white. Now, the belief that the Other is having a good time doesn’t necessarily make you want to do him or her harm: one of my students (freshman comp) was a football player who really idealized gay male life, imagining it to be free of the complications that he had faced as a straight guy; and he didn’t wish gay men ill. What has to go with that is the conviction that the Other is ignoring the boundaries that hold our society together (i.e. the social strictures that make me feel safe and powerful). Delany’s Times Square Red Times Square Blue kinda addresses that issue.

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You’re so immature. Santorum just doesn’t want all the gays suggestively thrusting their torrid juicy demands for equality down his throat. He is doing his decent straight male Christian duty* of struggling against the firm and naughty forces of homosexuality, that are trying to pierce his quivering morals with their lewdly throbbing rights, covering him in dirty dirty perversion. Also, these gays are in uniform, which is extra raunchy and obscene, and they are all muscled and fit and rolling around with Santorum in the mud and—and he’ll be right back to discussing the exact things that military gays desperately want to do to him as soon as he’s back from his cold shower. Ahem.

Will somebody please buy Bagelsan a little humming plastic friend so she can do this sort of fantasising in the privacy of her own bedroom, rather than on the net?  My screen is sorta sticky now.

This is a statement of a man who probably begs for forgivenness every time he ejaculates.

Deep in the heart of darkest of the dark Pennsylvania suburbs, Frothy Rick is rubbing his bleeding, aching head & thinking “What the f**k was that?”.

@ James:
Let the pagans spill theirs on valley, hill & plain.
God shall strike them down for each sperm that’s spilled in vain!

#37: Yeah, apparently that was in response to McCain speaking against our use of torture. Santorum had basically said McCain didn’t know anything about torture.

So, he’s not just an idiot about sex; he’s the total package.

  I read Phoenicians first comment as “sewing machine elves” rather than screwing machine elves at first.

What got me about Santorum’s comment was how he was opposed to “social engineering” in the military, and that somehow this was a bad idea all around, not what the military should be doing, an affront to dignity, etc., etc.  (Gone2Ground @ 37)

That pissed me off too, but for a different reason: What does this dumb shit think the GOP’s little “hey, let’s deregulate every good-sized industry and cut every protection for the average citizen, and see what happens!” experiment is?

  I read Phoenicians first comment as “sewing machine elves” rather than screwing machine elves at first.

Now, that’s just plain silly, lee.

  Molly, NYC: Thats because we already know the results of the experiment through history. They aren’t good results but we know what they are. Its only a social engineering experiment when you don’t know the results.

Of course, what Mr. Santorum’s remarks show is that he can’t think of homosexuality as emcompassing anything other than a sordid tryst in a public toilet.

Well, if you were working in Washington, where many other men are fighting against gay rights while at the same time having secret, sordid trysts in public restrooms of airports and other facilities and that was your only experience with being gay, is the kind that is squarely in the closet but still looking for outlets, wouldn’t you just assume that’s how “being gay” is done?

Does Rick Santorum actually believe that “any type of sexual activity has absolutely no place in the military”?

If so, it’s pretty damned obvious that Santorum has never served his country in uniform.

Sex is a HUGE part of military life. Both married and single heterosexual personnel openly engage in man/woman sex while on deployment.

When my dad was a Marine in WW II, the Corps was fully aware that most of the young marines deployed in the Pacific Theater were openly sexually active. Brothels openly operated near every major American military base in the region, with the military police and the navy shore patrol maintaining order in the red light districts.

Noncommercial sex was widespread also. The Corps allowed marines to carry on longterm relationships with local civilians in every area they were deployed in (that’s where all the Ameriasian kids came from!).

I would say, any type of sexual activity has absolutely no place in the military.

That’s quite possibly the dumbest thing I’ve ever read. And I read a lot of blogs.

Will somebody please buy Bagelsan a little humming plastic friend so she can do this sort of fantasising in the privacy of her own bedroom, rather than on the net?  My screen is sorta sticky now.

I actually died a little inside while trying to imagine Santorum’s mindset, but if your screen is sticky then I’m glad at least someone enjoyed it. Personally I like fantasizing about gay sex between likeable cute people, not Republicans, but I’m not gonna judge. ;D

I find this sort of absurd considering that there are already armies that both allow/force gay people to join while controlling the sexuality of the troops.
Like for an example:
Sexual intercourse, flirting and porn are forbidden inside the unit while cuddling is allowed only for sharing body warmth to avoid hypothermia and sexual/relationship education is mandatory.
Now guess if gay people get special treatment?
However the military does not really care who you sleep with outside of the unit as long as this person is not an potential spy.