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Prank email or real wingnuttery?  You decide.

Despite the recent surge in emails and tweets from completely off-the-hook wingnuts that I and other bloggers have been receiving lately, I was surprised to find this in my email today:

Shill——Or———-Braindead

Dear Amanda

and your environmentally correct commuter bicycle anti-carbon frankly means anti-life. Media prostitution is a wasted venture and in years to come will be treasonist. Why do your live in a box with no walls?  Please dont do any research, download only presubservient material in to your amazing brain, drink only fluoridated water make sure you diet is full of GM food, line up for you vaccines don’t worry about Gates recent speach. Your seem to be a good slave very subserivent to the eliteist agenda do you bleed blue?

Sam

I think it was that it was so paranoid, so thorough in hitting all these different haterade notes that I was taken aback, and felt this urge to share it, instead of just delete it as usual.  I’m used to wingnuts crowing to me as if they won some victory when one of theirs is the object of ridicule on TV and screeching, “Where’s the birth certificate?!” at me, so I’m open to the idea that there’s no bottom rung of stupid wingnuttery.  But this was just too much, and sent on April Fool’s Day, so I have to ask: Is this a prank?

Here’s what we know.  The email says it’s from Bob Lloyd, and his address is hobnob55@hotmail.co.uk.  However, he didn’t send this to me from the UK.  In fact, the IP address was 119.42.93.153, which puts him in Chonburi, a city in Thailand.  Which seems like a lovely place, of course.  However, there are questions.  Why would a man emailing under the name “Bob Lloyd” call himself “Sam” in his email to me?  If this is a British man kicking back in Thailand for what are no doubt 100% ethical reasons, why does he care so much about some American blogger, and why does he cough up words like “treasonist”, which seems to be not much of a concern to British readers of all political persuasions? 

Is this a prank or is this authentic wingnuttery?  I thought I’d let y’all argue it out, and of course, vote.


Bob Lloyd/Sam
Prank or wingnut?

Prank
Wingnut

 



   

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 03:49 PM • (61) Comments

My vote is for prank/troll, since it’s April 1.  My guess is that the sender is hiding behind a proxy, with a phony disposable email addy.

Comment #1: Zephira, Queen of the Space Weasels  on  04/01  at  04:01 PM

Wingnut or satire? You speak as if there’s still a difference.

Comment #2: Master Mahan  on  04/01  at  04:02 PM

Automated spam.  The paragraph doesn’t even make much grammatical sense.

Comment #3: DTG in STL  on  04/01  at  04:04 PM

Whoa, I passed through Chonburi two years ago!  It’s the province you go through if you’re on the way from Bangkok to the closest islands.  I think it includes Pattaya, which is a very nice beach as well as being notorious for sex tourism.  (None of that for me.)

Comment #4: Neil the Ethical Werewolf  on  04/01  at  04:10 PM

Possibly actual (real, not-funny) mental illness.  The grammatical structure is not unlike some schizophrenics.

Comment #5: BABH  on  04/01  at  04:12 PM

The spelling is too good to be genuine wingnut and the buzzword overload has all the halmarks of spam. Wish there was Turring test app you could run some bit of text through to see what the likelihood of it being human generated is.

Comment #6: Keith  on  04/01  at  04:12 PM

It looks to me like something from a spambot.  What’s really disappointing (as an IT professional) is how bad the AI is.  The whole thing is almost unreadable, and the only “meaning” in it comes from the various shibboleths scattered about.  I thought AI research had come much further than that…  Sad…

Comment #7: MikeEss  on  04/01  at  04:14 PM

I’m thinking spam too.  It reads like the nonsensical stuff that spambots generate.  There’s so much wingnut batshittery out in the blogosphere that it’s perfectly reasonable that a random spam message to a political blog come out in near-perfect Teabaggerese. 

Wow!  That’s what teabaggers are, if you think about it.  Living, breathing RW talking point spouting spambots.

Comment #8: DonnaDiva  on  04/01  at  04:15 PM

This is a word salad made from red, green, black, and white tea.  Likely product of a paranoid schizophrenic with surround sound speakers and a freeper bookmark, or some sort of back-forth translation mixed automatically.

Comment #9: Ms Kate  on  04/01  at  04:19 PM

I’m with the general consensus of the comments: spam.  The AI generated a barely-strung-together passage of genuine-seeming wingnuttery gleaned from various political sites and spammed it back to the political blogosphere.  That you quoted it verbatim and linked it’s address is likely to create a terrifying feedback loop as the spambots latch onto it and reconfigure it endlessly.  Soon, the internet will become a grey ooze of nothing but variations on this post stretching into infinity.

or something.

Comment #10: jamie d  on  04/01  at  04:21 PM

Wow!  That’s what teabaggers are, if you think about it.  Living, breathing RW talking point spouting spambots.

also, this.  i think that this is the best description of them yet.

Comment #11: jamie d  on  04/01  at  04:22 PM

With all the concern about “precious bodily fluids,” my vote is for option 3: mentally deranged.

However, there are questions.  Why would a man emailing under the name “Bob Lloyd” call himself “Sam” in his email to me?

Because he’s too stupid to understand that e-mail headers are visible, and too cowardly to sign his real name. Either that or one of the voices in his head is named “Sam.”

If this is a British man kicking back in Thailand for what are no doubt 100% ethical reasons, why does he care so much about some American blogger

I’m guessing that, among his many other charming qualities, he’s an MRA (it’s big with a certain type of bitter divorced middle-aged male Brit). And in between “touring temples” (or whatever they call it) in Thailand to re-affirm his manhood, he trawls through the Internet looking for evidence of feminist perfidy.

I’d imagine he saw one or another announcements about your new book (hence the “media prositution” reference), was enraged that a woman could achieve what he never could by publishing not one but two books, and was off to the races.

I’m thinking spam too.  It reads like the nonsensical stuff that spambots generate.

Nah, spam is the kind of incoherent copypasta we’ve seen from David Mabus/Markuze, the spamming nutbar who’s been plaguing the site lately. It might be him, but there are no threats of a “Crystal Night” for atheists, nor is there any mention of a link between Nostradamus, the band Depeche Mode, and 9/11. Plus, stylistically, it smacks less of a cut-and-paste job and more of a manic screed.

Comment #12: Gracchus.  on  04/01  at  04:24 PM

The voting option isn’t working for me. In any event, I’m a bit torn. On the one hand, it seems perfectly prankish in all the respects you mentioned, but at the same time, anyone with the right equipment can send a message from a proxy IP address, and why would a wingnut be honest with you concerning his name?

Comment #13: Sadie Morrison  on  04/01  at  04:25 PM

Amanda, you might want to pull down that e-mail - it may be fake and some dude in the uk may wonder why he’s getting hate mail now.

Comment #14: Ms Kate  on  04/01  at  04:32 PM

His obsession tailor very neatly to the things I like to write about—-bicycling, anti-vaccination stuff—-so I’m not inclined to think it’s a spambot.

Comment #15: Amanda Marcotte  on  04/01  at  04:38 PM

Amanda, you might want to pull down that e-mail - it may be fake and some dude in the uk may wonder why he’s getting hate mail now.

not to mention a potential flood of american-politics-themed spam…

Comment #16: jamie d  on  04/01  at  04:39 PM

It’s really from Mark V Shaney.

Comment #17: weirdnoise  on  04/01  at  04:40 PM

Prank.  Or spam.  Imagine it being said in the creepy “Fitter, Happier” computer voice, though, and it becomes dystopian art.

Comment #18: Dr. Locrian  on  04/01  at  04:41 PM

Pandagon is a both/and blog.

Comment #19: Cris  on  04/01  at  04:48 PM

No, not treasonist… Treasonesque!

Why do your live in a box with no walls?

Zen koan or rambling idiocy? You decide.

Comment #20: Sarcastro  on  04/01  at  04:49 PM

It’s really from Mark V Shaney.

Ha! Being a history newsgroup guy, I was an afficionado of Serdar Argic/Hasan Mutlu/Zumabot.

Comment #21: Gracchus.  on  04/01  at  04:51 PM

“My guess is that the sender is hiding behind a proxy, with a phony disposable email addy.” @ #1

I would think the same, but my vote is for genuine lunatic.  You can see the thought pattern of a very seriously disturbed person at work here.  Being able to hide your identity doesn’t require a sound mind, just easily obtainable knowledge.  Paranoia is a very common trait on the right.  I wonder how much of it is media induced.

Comment #22: G Porgey  on  04/01  at  04:53 PM

Cris beat me to the “both/and”.

I dont think it’s a prank b/c wingnuts do not have a sense of humor.

Also.

I can’t vote, it tells me I can’t vote multiple times, and I guess 1 is a multiple.

Comment #23: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  04/01  at  04:57 PM

I’ve been seeing some startling quality spam lately—comments that verge upon being conherent and on topic, but which have a little link or two in them . . .

Comment #24: rea  on  04/01  at  05:06 PM

Ha! Being a history newsgroup guy, I was an afficionado of Serdar Argic/Hasan Mutlu/Zumabot.

All hail Kibo!

Comment #25: Sarcastro  on  04/01  at  05:07 PM

Treasonesque?  Isn’t that a Decemberists theme album?

Comment #26: Ms Kate  on  04/01  at  05:13 PM

I’m throwing my hat in with “spambot”. They’re getting pretty good recently, but the Bob/Sam and UK/Thailand disparity is a dead givaway.

Comment #27: Sarah TX  on  04/01  at  05:14 PM

It’s either a very bright spam bot or a very dim wingnut.

It’s a bit depressing to know that this shows the easiest solution to the Turing test is not to improve machine intelligence, but to devolve human intelligence until their top range overlaps with our lowest.

Comment #28: BlackBloc  on  04/01  at  05:30 PM

Amanda, is this your April Fools joke on your readers? I think it is:

1. when I voted it told me I cannot vote more than once, but that was my first vote cast and the vote was the opposite of my sentiments.

2. You have a sense of humor and the wherewithal to write that incoherent screed yourself to dumbfound us.

3. Its April 1st.

Comment #29: Thealogian  on  04/01  at  05:32 PM

IN the immoital words of the Pythons:

“Spam, spam, spam, spam spam spam spam spam spaaaaaaam, oh lovely sapm!”

Comment #30: BruceJ  on  04/01  at  05:48 PM

April Fool’s Day was my first inclination.

But, if not, I’d have to say it’s the most coherant cut-and-paste spambotting I’ve ever seen.  On the other hand, it’s pretty standard Wingnut.  I should know.  I’ve been listening to the one across the office hallway rant for the last few days.

Comment #31: Caelan Aegana  on  04/01  at  05:58 PM

Thealogian, this could also be a fan’s idea of an April Fool’s joke using an AI bot to troll the blog, collect information from posts, and concoct an interesting result.

Comment #32: Ms Kate  on  04/01  at  05:59 PM

I’m going to go with “Amanda is playing a great trick on all of us” because she wrote it herself and decided to have fun.  But if it is somehow not a complete april fool’s day prank I am inclined to believe it is a spam bot.  But I stand by Amanda is pranking us by pranking herself.

Comment #33: Xeranar  on  04/01  at  06:01 PM

I’m torn. You give good reasons for it being a prank, but…

It reads to me like a more personal message from Mr. “LIGHT OR DEATH” who has been spamming/trolling lately. Although he didn’t bitch about atheism at all.
So maybe a parody of him?

Couldn’t vote, either.

Don’t worry about the email getting hate mail in response. We have better manners and better things to do with our time.

Comment #34: Samantha Vimes  on  04/01  at  06:36 PM

My vote is troll, trying to get a rise out of you.  The use of words suggests that the spelling mistakes are deliberate (“eliteist”?).  An educated writer might make transcription errors, a spell-checker program would eliminate many of those mistakes, which suggests that they’re deliberate. And the autoGeoff-style Markov Chain programs are a bit different - I suppose it could be a human tweaking output from one.

Comment #35: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  04/01  at  06:44 PM

And it’s been 18 years since I was on a.r.k. Gosh, that takes me back…

Comment #36: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  04/01  at  06:47 PM

Or, of course, it’s Amanda…

Comment #37: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  04/01  at  06:50 PM

Wish there was Turring test app you could run some bit of text through to see what the likelihood of it being human generated is.

Create a computer program to decide whether or not it is talking to a computer program? You, sir, just blew my mind. :p

Comment #38: Bagelsan  on  04/01  at  07:23 PM

I got an e-mail similar to this.
<a href=“http://missdynamiteblog.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/obama-will-rape-you-no-joke/”>Obama will rape you NO JOKE<a>

And what’s wrong with fluoridated and GM food?

Comment #39: sirkowski  on  04/01  at  07:48 PM

Piator, Sarcastro, Gracchus:

Blogs are the implementation of HappyNet. 

Beable!

Comment #40: jackd  on  04/01  at  08:21 PM

I think Amanda’s April Fooling us. The poll results are 100 percent “prank,” with one vote cast—and we’re not allowed to vote at all.

Comment #41: jenofiniquity  on  04/01  at  08:29 PM

I also gotta go with prank for multiple reasons….ironically enough one of the tip offs is the mention of GM foods; hardly a cause celebre for liberal types.

Comment #42: Erik D  on  04/01  at  08:33 PM

If it’s a prank, then damn, that’s a scarily good job of writing like a crazy person, and you should immediately switch from nonfiction writing to novels.  A good, terse suspense story about an internet-famous woman being stalked by a mentally ill stalker and don’t forget to write it so that it can be adapted to a screenplay easily.

If it’s not a prank, then I if that guy was based anywhere in America I’d forward that kind of crazy to the cops, especially if I got more than one of those.  What the hell does “presubservient” mean?

Comment #43: Kyso K  on  04/01  at  09:41 PM

There’s no way that’s a spambot. After spending a few months as an editor at a self-publisher, I saw more than one manuscript that was just as incoherent as this – a few that were actually worse. Seriously, I can give you examples if you don’t believe me. I don’t know if it’s a prank or a wingnut or what (my guess is wingnut, possibly one with mental health problems), but I’d bet money it’s a real human.

Comment #44: Lauren O  on  04/01  at  10:09 PM

your environmentally correct commuter bicycle anti-carbon frankly means anti-life.

DARKSEID IS!

Comment #45: karpad  on  04/01  at  10:39 PM

tip offs is the mention of GM foods

Listen to Alex Jones’ radio show sometime. Genetically modified food is the curse of conspiracy nuts. There’s even ads for home made bio shampoo, since the industrial kind will turn your brain to the government’s control signal. Srly.

Comment #46: sirkowski  on  04/02  at  12:23 AM

That IP address is on my list of spambots, so it must have tried to spam me in the recent past.

Comment #47: James  on  04/02  at  12:39 AM

Wait a minute - title of poll “Bob Lloyd/Sam”.

BLS?  Bovine excrement?

Comment #48: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  04/02  at  12:51 AM

I vote wingnut

its too threatening in a plausible deniability kind of way. 

it could be on a spambot list because its a compromised computer somewhere.  In other words wingnut is trying to cover his tracks…  why would he do that?  Its a threat.

I wouldn’t worry about putting up the email because if someone is using someone’s email then that someone will find out and why wouldn’t they want to know.

I know its April Fools but wingnutty doesn’t take a day off, I hope it is a joke, if so it made me take the time to register so… smile

Comment #49: ewellone  on  04/02  at  01:18 AM

I’m voting for spambot as well.

Comment #50: JCfromNC  on  04/02  at  01:48 AM

@sirkowski

“What’s wrong with fluoridated ... food?”

Clearly you need to watch Dr. Strangelove.

Comment #51: Caelan Aegana  on  04/02  at  03:29 AM

Or?  I thought this was an and/both blog.  But, yeah the spelling seems too good and the grammar too nonsensical to be genuine USA American wingnut.  Other nationality wingnut, perhaps; but that brings you back to why bother except as a prank.

Comment #52: helen w. h.  on  04/02  at  08:20 AM

I don’t think it is spam. As Amanda mentioned, it seems too “tailored” to what she writes about. I think it’s some actual fucking creepazoid.

Made me think of this:
WHATS THE FREQUENCY KENNETH?!?!

Comment #53: atheist  on  04/02  at  08:56 AM

On one level, funny. On another, frightening.

Comment #54: atheist  on  04/02  at  08:58 AM

To go off topic about this great prank, what is with their fear of fluoridated water?  I thought we solved this issue sixty years ago.  The only think too much fluoridation will do is turn your teeth into over calcified rocks which is bad but from what I understand it has to be triple or quadruple the amounts we now put in the water supply.  I read the reports that these people throw up over it but just because one form of fluoride is poisonous in it’s natural state it doesn’t mean when diluted into PPM it is still toxic.  Ironically if you live near any sort of major industrial zone you’re bound to pick up more harmful toxins or just standing near a pre-2000s vehicle will do more than fluoridated water. 

This just feeds into the whole vaccine fight I imagine.  You yell loud enough eventually people with degrees will come running to validate you if you pay them.  Then you have an argument.  Thank you Phillip Morris.

Comment #55: Xeranar  on  04/02  at  10:23 AM

Xeranar, fluoridation is just old man’s anti-vax. Both vaccination and fluoridation have zero extant clinical evidence, or even clinical suggestion, of being dangerous - but both seem ubiquitous and uncontrollable to a certain sort of individual, and thus become the target of paranoia. This kind of mindset has been around since Dr. Strangelove was in theaters (thank you, Gracchus and Caelan), and so I’m assuming it also was prevalent long before.

As for the email…Amanda, I don’t know what to tell you. Could be a schizophrenic on a tear or a spambot on the same. All I have to add to the “spam prank” camp is that my father recently received a spam message from an old email address of mine (long disused). The message was unremarkable (“check out this cool website”) but the spam email was disturbingly signed with my nickname - not my given name. I use pseudonyms and my legal name while online depending on circumstance; my nickname, which I go by offline, is not associated with any address or account, nor is it an obvious derivation from my given name. This essentially suggests that the bot got this piece of information by searching the body text of old personal emails. So if anyone is voting “wingnut” because they don’t believe a bot could accomplish something so information-dense and obviously targeted, I’d ask them to reconsider.

Comment #56: Seize  on  04/02  at  11:46 AM

what is with their fear of fluoridated water?

Ripper:  Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk… ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children’s ice cream.

Mandrake:  Lord, Jack

Ripper:  You know when fluoridation first began?

Mandrake:  I… no, no. I don’t, Jack.

Ripper:  Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It’s incredibly obvious, isn’t it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That’s the way your hard-core Commie works.

Mandrake:  Uh, Jack, Jack, listen, tell me, tell me, Jack. When did you first… become… well, develop this theory?

Ripper:  Well, I, uh… I… I… first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love.

Mandrake:  Hmm

Ripper:  Yes, a uh, a profound sense of fatigue… a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I… I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence.

Mandrake:  Hmmm…

Ripper:  I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women uh… women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh… I do not avoid women, Mandrake.

Mandrake:  No

Ripper:  But I… I do deny them my essence.

Comment #57: James  on  04/02  at  02:06 PM

All ya all:

I would vote “Other” [not ‘prank’ or ‘wingnut’], with the following explanation, in which I will not argue, but attempt to analyze the posts of “Sam” and Amanda. I view this post by “Sam” to Amanda as using similar language as other weblogs and comments do, even on this website, Pandagon.net. I view Amanda’s comment as being about “Sam,” and not actually discussing any issues or comments listed by “Sam” rigorously, robustly or substantially.

In fact, Amanda does not discuss any ‘real issues’ at all. Amanda only denigrates and disparages “Sam,” as “Sam” did to Amanda.

Neither of them rises above a sordid and vile form of writing. Amanda also probes into “Sam’s” worldwide online presence, and then assumes some of the worst possible motives and circumstances of his existence. “Sam” also assumed much about Amanda.

Question 1: WtF peeps?
Question 2: Should a critically and independently thinking mind assume that someone’s weblog assumptions about another’s webpost/comment goes directly to that person’s personal motives and habits, are actual fact, and the weblog truly enhances our thinking and enlightens the mind?
Question 3: Is any real discourse and sustainable consensus at all possible in the blogosphere?
Question 4: Are all weblogs just a form of ‘self publishing’ of one’s views, whether extreme, or not?
Question 5: Are all weblogs just a form of marketing of, and profiting from, ‘self published’ views, whether through advertisement revenue, or linking to weblog/website published book sales?
Question 6: Can’t we all just get along?
Question 7 [which is analogous to Question 6, and a quasi corollary]: Is PEACE possible among humans?

Please discuss amongst yourself, and then, all ya all can respond to me directly, if you wish, at <americanintempe@yahoo.com>

I must click “Blaspheme” to post this comment, but I do not affirm that I “Blaspheme” when I do, as I do not believe I can “Blaspheme” in this manner.

Thank you for your consideration and time. Do as you will & harm none.

Comment #58: Sustainable Real Natural Male Feline  on  04/02  at  03:17 PM

“Wingnut” or “prank” presumes some kind of coherence, at least internal, on the writer’s part. (Yes, I do think wingnut thinking makes sense to them; the problem is unwillingness to examine their premises.) This guy’s just flat out incomprehensible. That would put him somewhere between “crank” and “lunatic”, in the vast gray area where the two overlap.

Comment #59: BrianX  on  04/02  at  03:31 PM

From #58 how could you be a sustainable feline when you produce so much catshit?

Comment #60: atheist  on  04/02  at  06:00 PM

defending “Sam”?

really?

real or not..  I checked in here hoping to see it was a joke but even if it is it doesn’t take away the fact that “Sam” is operating in a very real part of the universe where anything can be done to another human if you can convince yourself or others they are something less than.  Less than a proper human and of course less than Sam always even if “Sam” is trying to threaten somebody he has to be able to deny that is what he is doing(in public)..  of course its apparent to anyone that knows that side of town .  If its Amanda she has demonstrated well the mindset.  No way its a spambot.

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